Update: MS: GAF Share threads OK! Your library. Any 10 gamers. Dogs too!

[QUOTE="Metamania"]

And you know whose fault that is? Microsoft. They listened to the publishers instead of the consumers, which is their main problem. Had they actually done the legitimate, professional thing here, they wouldn't have given themselves this much chaos and damage control to deal with.

S0lidSnake

It was microsoft who went to the Publishers with their Always online DRM, not the other way around. EA confirmed this.

I could have sworn that I saw a thread from Alex Watchtoer saying that EA came out stating "It wasn't us, it was all Microsoft!" Right?

[QUOTE="S0lidSnake"]

[QUOTE="Metamania"]

And you know whose fault that is? Microsoft. They listened to the publishers instead of the consumers, which is their main problem. Had they actually done the legitimate, professional thing here, they wouldn't have given themselves this much chaos and damage control to deal with.

Metamania

It was microsoft who went to the Publishers with their Always online DRM, not the other way around. EA confirmed this.

I could have sworn that I saw a thread from Alex Watchtoer saying that EA came out stating "It wasn't us, it was all Microsoft!" Right?

Yeah.

they single-handedly killed the used and rental markets which from what I understand are absolutely huge.UpInFlames

[QUOTE="The_Last_Ride"]sounds stupid as hell to meUpInFlames

Why?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Damn sweet of them to let me do that with something I bought....:roll:Randolph

Can I share your Xbox 360 or PS3 library right now if you add my gamertag?

The reason why so many dont believe it is cause it is so insane and so against everything MS is for that it makes no sense. Sony tried this with 5 accounts and it got so abused in just a few months they had to basically shut the whole thing down. Imagine what people will do with 10.

I bet neogaf already has whole communities setup to share the games. You can split the cost of games 10 ways. Or alternate buying games for the group. You can make one guy buy all the sports games, another all the FPSs, another the action games. What we did with the PS3 was fun as hell, we would simply see who is buying what and not buy it another person was going to get it. But some games were locked which if MS allows for locks almost all publishers will lock their games.

If true its amazing, you will be saving tons and tons of money. Get online with people you trust and share away. This sounds a million times easier than what we had to go through with PS3 (we kind of exploited it) here it seems its exploitation from the start.

dvader654

Well Sony's been doing it with movies with Ultraviolet for awhile now so the business model must work. I mean movies have a whole lot less replay value than a game, so if I have access to your library of movies, there's a lot less of a chance I'm ever going to buy those movies. I don't see why it would be worse for gaming. Games have more replay value.

I think it's a new business model we don't understand. Just like F2P is a business model that can be very profitable, this isn't much different. The reason I can see this happening are this:

-Publishers have a right to opt out. So if it's a game like Tom Raider...it's likely it might not be part of the deal. They said Microsoft's first party games would be part of this but are still giving publishers the option to opt out.

-If it's a game like Killer Instinct, F2P where they let you play with 1 charater...you might borrow your friend's full copy and try a different character, like it, then end up buying it for your F2P copy.

-Even though their 24-hour check in pretty much ends up, it can still help turn your typical pirate into customers. Why go through the hassle of pirating games, when you can create a 10 person ring and share most of your library legally? At least 1 of those 10 would buy something.

-It's not going to affect your Call of Duty crowd since most of those guys are still going to need invididual copies to play online against each other.

-People like me will have access to games they would otherwise NEVER buy new. But after trying it, they might change their mind. Or I might like it enough to buy the sequel new.

-Downloadable content will still be restricted to the original owner. So if I try your old game, and there's a new update that makes things cool, if I'm into that game and have been playing it awhile, I might decide to buy my own copy to get access to that content.

-Another reason is if you buy a game today, and I wasn't interested in it. You share it with me when you go to bed or work. I try it and get hooked on it. I go play it tomorrow...oops you're playing it. Damn! I gotta get my own copy.

-I also think it will encourage that group of friends to constantly keep buying new games. You want to share your library with guys who constantly add to it. Not someone who mooches off of everyone right? So that's yet another reason.

And I'm sure there's going to be some restrictions. But we know they have allowed renting games all this time. Publishers don't get ANYTHING beyond the original rental copy. This would be no different. Except now some of those serial renters like me, might end up buying some things.

Publishers will get more money from "sharers" than they ever would from used game buyers and renters like me, or pirates. They don't see a dime from those guys. So why not?

^ Yeah this could work. But this scenario would drive me nuts. You get a new game, you go to work, come back home, get ready to play again and your friend is on it. Now I know you can message them and tell them to get the **** off but still that creates an awkward situation.

dvader654

Well it would depend on your friends I guess. If you have asshole friends it would be awkward. I would probably more often be interested in your backlog to try out the quirky games you play that I never buy.

But now GAF is saying they WILL let you play it with 1 other person. So it's you +1 and shared with 10. You can put games in "share" mode and the original disc owner plus1 additional person can play together. So I can just buy K.I. and we both play it? Holy shit!

I don't care how they try to clarify or explain it. It's my game. DON'T TELL ME HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN USE IT OR WHEN THEY CAN USE IT! Publishers don't do that with my books. Artists don't do that with my CDs. Producers don't do that with my Blu-Rays. Any company trying to tell me what I can and can't do with MY copy can piss off. Sure, I don't won't make copies of that copy, I'll give them that much, but the physical copy is mine to use, lend, trade, sell, throw in the fireplace if I want. JustPlainLucas

But the idea is that there won't be physical copies. 

In that same article Mehdi stated they really wanted to just go full digital and this would make a lot more sense and be a lot simpler, but didn't believe the market was ready so for the time being they're just trying to transition players to digital.

For example they've already announced Killer Instinct is digital only. You can't buy it on a physical disc. So what then?

This falls in line with pretty much what I and a lot of other people have been saying. I said it before, but I believe by the end of this generation, the Wii U will turn out to be the last traditional console.

And if this is true, they're clearly designing it in such a way where a digital copy gives you more freedom than a physical one. I mean even if I buy it physically, I'm not coming over to your house 1000 miles away to share my game with you. Heck I won't even go over to my friends house when I can just call him up, and he can just have instant access to my library.

Not to mention he's married and we both work and rarely get together to play games anymore. But if you can do it with people all over the country, well that makes it a lot easier and gives you a lot more people to share your games with than before. Married people and older adults especially would easily find this beneficial versus going over to hang out with their 30+ year old buddies and their wives and play videogames. How often do they do this in real life right now?

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]I don't care how they try to clarify or explain it. It's my game. DON'T TELL ME HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN USE IT OR WHEN THEY CAN USE IT! Publishers don't do that with my books. Artists don't do that with my CDs. Producers don't do that with my Blu-Rays. Any company trying to tell me what I can and can't do with MY copy can piss off. Sure, I don't won't make copies of that copy, I'll give them that much, but the physical copy is mine to use, lend, trade, sell, throw in the fireplace if I want. alexwatchtower

But the idea is that there won't be physical copies. 

In that same article Mehdi stated they really wanted to just go full digital and this would make a lot more sense and be a lot simpler, but didn't believe the market was ready so for the time being they're just trying to transition players to digital.

For example they've already announced Killer Instinct is digital only. You can't buy it on a physical disc. So what then?

This falls in line with pretty much what I and a lot of other people have been saying. I said it before, but I believe by the end of this generation, the Wii U will turn out to be the last traditional console.

And if this is true, they're clearly designing it in such a way where a digital copy gives you more freedom than a physical one. I mean even if I buy it physically, I'm not coming over to your house 1000 miles away to share my game with you. Heck I won't even go over to my friends house when I can just call him up, and he can just have instant access to my library.

Not to mention he's married and we both work and rarely get together to play games anymore. But if you can do it with people all over the country, well that makes it a lot easier and gives you a lot more people to share your games with than before. Married people and older adults especially would easily find this beneficial versus going over to hang out with their 30+ year old buddies and their wives and play videogames. How often do they do this in real life right now?

Going all digital is one of the worse thing that can happen to the gamers. The reason companies push it is give them so much at the cost of the gamer.

It trades freedom for short term convince.

Who would want this anyway? So great, a hot new game comes out and now you have 10 people each wanting to play it, but only one of them can play it at a single time. 

This seems like something that sounds good in theory but will not actually work out well. Besides, I wouldn't trust Microsoft to keep this policy in place throughout the X1's life cycle - Sony cut down on the number of PS3's you could have an account on from 5 to 2 to try to curb gamesharing, and I can see Microsoft doing something similar with this policy. 

Who would want this anyway? So great, a hot new game comes out and now you have 10 people each wanting to play it, but only one of them can play it at a single time. 

This seems like something that sounds good in theory but will not actually work out well. Besides, I wouldn't trust Microsoft to keep this policy in place throughout the X1's life cycle - Sony cut down on the number of PS3's you could have an account on from 5 to 2 to try to curb gamesharing, and I can see Microsoft doing something similar with this policy. 

Vari3ty

It looks great in aids.

Who would want this anyway? So great, a hot new game comes out and now you have 10 people each wanting to play it, but only one of them can play it at a single time. 

This seems like something that sounds good in theory but will not actually work out well. Besides, I wouldn't trust Microsoft to keep this policy in place throughout the X1's life cycle - Sony cut down on the number of PS3's you could have an account on from 5 to 2 to try to curb gamesharing, and I can see Microsoft doing something similar with this policy. 

Vari3ty

Well now there's talk of 2 people being able to do it at the same time. The disc player and 1 additional person for a game that's part of your "shared library". But that's the situation right now too. How many people can play your copy at the same time? It's usually just you. I don't see what youare asking. You want them to give everyone the ability to play 1 copy at the same time? That's like swinging the pendulum from one extreme to the other isn't it? 

That's actually the idea of why it could work. Because day 1 buyers and impulse buyers would still buy the game at full cost and purchase individual copies. But it's great for people that don't necessarily want the same game day 1. 

Think about your backlogs. Games you don't have to have day 1. I am a serial renter. They rarely have games day 1. For me at least this would fix all my issues with renting/used games. 

Yeah it's similar to what Sony was doing it, but the difference is again, that publishers can opt out of this. I think Microsoft is simply offering the digital version of being able to share and lend games, and allowing 2 people to play the same copies as well as extending it to 10 friends one at a time. Which in my case, it's better than the 1 friend I have who plays games that we never have the time to actually do this with anymore and you can do it with anyone across the country.

And as far as publishers go[and I'm guessing on this part] they give them the option. You can make your game part of this sharing plan, or not. Up to you. You can either DRM customers games completely, or let them share it. It kind of puts it all back on them, doesn't it? Because then why would I buy a game that I can't share? It's more of an incentive to buy the game from the publisher that lets me do this.

Think of it this way. What do publishers get from a rental copy they sell or a used copy beyond the initial sale? Nothing. They've been letting Blockbuster and GameFly rent it to as many people as they want. So why wouldn't this work? Why would they have a problem with this if it could also lead to additional revenue from them?

That's not what happens with physical copies. If I rent a game and I like it, I'll either extend my rental or buy it used. I rarely go back out and buy it new. So publishers don't get squat. In this case they still might.

I was just thinking of gamer profiles, what if a friend of mine wants to play "x" game on my console, I usually let him create his own profile and play the game so he doesn't screw my game saves. Now he will need to create a Gold account just to play a bit of "x" game if I don't let him use my profile? 

What a complicated mess. 

Also I'm sure MS would incorporate a rental service for games through Xbox Live for sure. I still don't see the details of selling your disc games complicated process. Seems  XBL Gold is mandatory . Anyone else noticing this? You still have to pay to play your offline games!!!

Greedy, Control obsessed bastards. 

I was just thinking of gamer profiles, what if a friend of mine wants to play "x" game on my console, I usually let him create his own profile and play the game so he doesn't screw my game saves. Now he will need to create a Gold account just to play a bit of "x" game if I don't let him use my profile? 

What a complicated mess. 

Also I'm sure MS would incorporate a rental service for games through Xbox Live for sure. I still don't see the details of selling your disc games complicated process. Seems  XBL Gold is mandatory . Anyone else noticing this? You still have to pay to play your offline games!!!

Greedy, Control obsessed bastards. 

D3s7rUc71oN

From what it sounds like...yes. The way they're doing all this though, there's not going to be too many X1 owners without a Gold account. I can almost guarantee this is a Gold feature. But it's actually finally something that makes Xbox Live worth paying for.

I don't see it as complicated though. Get Gold...get the ability to share game libraries, rent games, etc. Don't...and you your X1 isn't of much use anyway. They made it so digital copies are bigger incentive than a physical copy.

You want to do it the old fashion way? Ok fine, but you have to deal with GameStop/Amazon or you can put a potential buyer on your friends list and make them wait 30 days before you can sell them your game. You want digital? Just sign up for Xbox Live Gold and you get all this now. Oh and if you want Killer Instinct, sorry, no physical disc.

Uhm...I'll take digital please. It's finally beginning to make some sense.

[QUOTE="D3s7rUc71oN"]

I was just thinking of gamer profiles, what if a friend of mine wants to play "x" game on my console, I usually let him create his own profile and play the game so he doesn't screw my game saves. Now he will need to create a Gold account just to play a bit of "x" game if I don't let him use my profile? 

What a complicated mess. 

Also I'm sure MS would incorporate a rental service for games through Xbox Live for sure. I still don't see the details of selling your disc games complicated process. Seems  XBL Gold is mandatory . Anyone else noticing this? You still have to pay to play your offline games!!!

Greedy, Control obsessed bastards. 

alexwatchtower

From what it sounds like...yes. The way they're doing all this though, there's not going to be too many X1 owners without a Gold account. I can almost guarantee this is a Gold feature. But it's actually finally something that makes Xbox Live worth paying for.

I don't see it as complicated though. Get Gold...get the ability to share game libraries, rent games, etc. Don't...and you your X1 isn't of much use anyway. They made it so digital copies are bigger incentive than a physical copy.

You want to do it the old fashion way? Ok fine, but you have to deal with GameStop/Amazon or you can put a potential buyer on your friends list and make them wait 30 days before you can sell them your game. You want digital? Just sign up for Xbox Live Gold and you get all this now. Oh and if you want Killer Instinct, sorry, no physical disc.

Uhm...I'll take digital please. It's finally beginning to make some sense.

I got no problem with digital, I've bought several XBLA games. My beef is since this console is online only, I'm FORCED to pay a subscription to play my offline games. ( for the record, I'm a XBL Gold subscriber and even defended the benefits over PSN) but this is just wrong , I DO NOT OWN the game I bought unless I pay at $5 a month :| 

Maybe I'm wrong but perhaps XBL silver will still be available if possible? It does not compute, unless they implement something to block you from Gold features but I seriously doubt it...

^ Yeah this could work. But this scenario would drive me nuts. You get a new game, you go to work, come back home, get ready to play again and your friend is on it. Now I know you can message them and tell them to get the **** off but still that creates an awkward situation.

dvader654

Nobody can play your game until you designate it as a shared game.

[QUOTE="alexwatchtower"]

[QUOTE="D3s7rUc71oN"]

I was just thinking of gamer profiles, what if a friend of mine wants to play "x" game on my console, I usually let him create his own profile and play the game so he doesn't screw my game saves. Now he will need to create a Gold account just to play a bit of "x" game if I don't let him use my profile? 

What a complicated mess. 

Also I'm sure MS would incorporate a rental service for games through Xbox Live for sure. I still don't see the details of selling your disc games complicated process. Seems  XBL Gold is mandatory . Anyone else noticing this? You still have to pay to play your offline games!!!

Greedy, Control obsessed bastards. 

D3s7rUc71oN

From what it sounds like...yes. The way they're doing all this though, there's not going to be too many X1 owners without a Gold account. I can almost guarantee this is a Gold feature. But it's actually finally something that makes Xbox Live worth paying for.

I don't see it as complicated though. Get Gold...get the ability to share game libraries, rent games, etc. Don't...and you your X1 isn't of much use anyway. They made it so digital copies are bigger incentive than a physical copy.

You want to do it the old fashion way? Ok fine, but you have to deal with GameStop/Amazon or you can put a potential buyer on your friends list and make them wait 30 days before you can sell them your game. You want digital? Just sign up for Xbox Live Gold and you get all this now. Oh and if you want Killer Instinct, sorry, no physical disc.

Uhm...I'll take digital please. It's finally beginning to make some sense.

I got no problem with digital, I've bought several XBLA games. My beef is since this console is online only, I'm FORCED to pay a subscription to play my offline games. ( for the record, I'm a XBL Gold subscriber and even defended the benefits over PSN) but this is just wrong , I DO NOT OWN the game I bought unless I pay at $5 a month :| 

Maybe I'm wrong but perhaps XBL silver will still be available if possible? It does not compute, unless they implement something to block you from Gold features but I seriously doubt it...

In theory, you should still be able play offline modes as long as you check in online every 24-hours. I don't see why they would block it, when they have a better way of doing it. Because if all this is true it's going to suck so bad in comparison, most people are going to want Gold.And even for single player modes like Forza, we know they use the cloud for driveatars. Not sure if features like that will be available to Silver members. Something tells me that cloud functionality will also be a Gold feature but we will see.

But the idea of digital, is that once the full transition happens, we're not really going to own our own games anymore. That's the thing people are giving up. Permanent ownership. It will be more like a service for the life of the console that you get access to in order to buy, rent, share games. And they will offer different price tiers and things like that. Then once they move on to the next console, that's that. I could be wrong. But that's how I think of it. I think of it as a 10 year lease more than a permanent buy.

Which in all honesty, it's not that much different than physical copies. Games discs might last forever if you take care of them, but it will be a miracle if anyone's 360 will still work 20 years from now to still play those 360 discs. Consoles aren't made to last forever. Even if they were, I'm probably not going to be playing 360 games 20 years from now. In fact I stopped playing it 3 years ago.

They're really making physical copies useless :P and pushing one to buy the digital copy with their shared feature. I'd wish they left both options and not online only and let the consumer decide... 

They're really making physical copies useless :P and pushing one to buy the digital copy with their shared feature. I'd wish they left both options and not online only and let the consumer decide... 

D3s7rUc71oN

All the games you buy (both physical and digital) can be shared. Once the physical copy is tied to your profile, it's no different than a digital game. Steam works the same way. Buy at retail, activate it, it becomes digital.

[QUOTE="D3s7rUc71oN"]

They're really making physical copies useless :P and pushing one to buy the digital copy with their shared feature. I'd wish they left both options and not online only and let the consumer decide... 

UpInFlames

All the games you buy (both physical and digital) can be shared. Once the physical copy is tied to your profile, it's no different than a digital game. Steam works the same way. Buy at retail, activate it, it becomes digital.

I was reading Alex's posts a few pages back , it said the shared feature is for digital only for now. Now that you mention it , its pretty much the same crap :lol:

Oh by the way, all this sharing stuff will also act as an incentive for everyone to keep their games forever, thusly destroying the used market even further.

[QUOTE="UpInFlames"] they single-handedly killed the used and rental markets which from what I understand are absolutely huge.Randolph

Obviously, I meant for their console only. And while you can still trade-in games and buy used, that aspect is severely limited.

The fact that only one person can play the shared copy at once should tell people that this is not as wonderful as it's being made out to be. It just confuses things even more.MonoSilver

Anyhow, I'm still waiting for the announcement that you'll be buying XBL Gold, or not be playing on your X1 at all.  Or at least something very close to that.

Microsoft has such a terrible problem with messaging here. We've heard from them, what, five times on this topic, and still no one really know what their plan is or how it works apparently, including Microsoft. I mean, imagine a Gamestop clerk trying to explain all this moronic bullshlt to a potential Bone buyer...

Ultimately, though, I like this method, much, much better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA

I still get the feeling that this whole sharing clarification was brought up in response to them being flayed and eaten alive at Sony's conference. That's why they didn't spend any time talking about this during their own conference; because it wasn't in place. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate that they are finally seeing the light after acting so pigheaded and stubborn, but:

A) It's still unclear what their policy is

B) Policies from competing companies are more traditional and far, far less restrictive than the "relaxed" policy they are pitching. 

Microsoft is in a box. There's little they can do, save for starting over and throwing Don Mattrick to to the wolves. 

Microsoft has such a terrible problem with messaging here. We've heard from them, what, five times on this topic, and still no one really know what their plan is or how it works apparently, including Microsoft.

Shame-usBlackley

I agree and I wager that this is still sort of a work-in-progress. I doubt we'll know EXACTLY how this works until they actually launch the damn thing.

The fact that only one person can play the shared copy at once should tell people that this is not as wonderful as it's being made out to be. It just confuses things even more.MonoSilver

As I said earlier, it sounds like it's actually going to be you and 1 other person playing 1 copy simultaneously, but even if it was ,I'm baffled when I keep hearing this statement.

Can you and I both play your 1 physical copy at the same time at different locations?

It works the same as lending a physical copy except there is no distance limitation other than your general geographical region because it will have region locks. Just the number of people. 10. Better actually, if 2 people can play at the same time because it will allow for that and that's not something you can do with a physical copy. And you're not just sharing 1 game, but your entire backlog of games supporting this feature. Your entire account.

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Microsoft has such a terrible problem with messaging here. We've heard from them, what, five times on this topic, and still no one really know what their plan is or how it works apparently, including Microsoft. I mean, imagine a Gamestop clerk trying to explain all this moronic bullshlt to a potential Bone buyer...

Ultimately, though, I like this method, much, much better:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA

 

I still get the feeling that this whole sharing clarification was brought up in response to them being flayed and eaten alive at Sony's conference. That's why they didn't spend any time talking about this during their own conference; because it wasn't in place. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate that they are finally seeing the light after acting so pigheaded and stubborn, but:

A) It's still unclear what their policy is

B) Policies from competing companies are more traditional and far, far less restrictive than the "relaxed" policy they are pitching. 

Microsoft is in a box. There's little they can do, save for starting over and throwing Don Mattrick to to the wolves. 

Shame-usBlackley

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

Microsoft has such a terrible problem with messaging here. We've heard from them, what, five times on this topic, and still no one really know what their plan is or how it works apparently, including Microsoft.

UpInFlames

I agree and I wager that this is still sort of a work-in-progress. I doubt we'll know EXACTLY how this works until they actually launch the damn thing.

Agreed.

If this worked as explained, this would be amazing for their platform. However, you have to remember who you are dealing with. This is Microsoft, they are not here to give you value for your money, so this will not work as explained. They haven't given the precise details, because they are still trying to figure out how to limit this feature to make it profitable and limiting.

[QUOTE="Randolph"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Damn sweet of them to let me do that with something I bought....:roll:alexwatchtower

Can I share your Xbox 360 or PS3 library right now if you add my gamertag?

[QUOTE="alexwatchtower"]

[QUOTE="Randolph"] I don't think MS understands how obnoxious it is when they tell us they are giving us special permission to do things we have never needed permission of any kind to do.Randolph

Can I share your Xbox 360 or PS3 library right now if you add my gamertag?

*buttheads* :x

[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]

It doesn't matter, the system is an overcomplicated cluster**** of a console.

None of this DRM nonsense is necessary and even if this turns out to be true, they have still managed to overcomplicate something that need not be complicated at all.

What is truly bizarre is that if this turns out to be true, why are they so dedicated to such strict DRM while simultaneously allowing such liberal game-sharing?

MS is in a strange place right now.

UpInFlames

I don't think it's that bizarre. Like Pedro said, it's all about control and with this model where everything is tied to your profile, they are always in complete control. Microsoft took away all the benefits that come with cIassic disc ownership - they single-handedly killed the used and rental markets which from what I understand are absolutely huge. But they HAVE to offset this somehow and create an incentive for the consumer. Steam does it with insane sales, for example. Microsoft is going with the sharing model.

I honestly don't think this is anywhere near as far-fetched as people are making it out to be. We'll see.

You and Pedro make excellent points and I'll concede you may be entirely correct but what I find perplexing is that all of this intrusive, overbearing DRM seems rooted in trying to control software and mitigate losses from the secondary market and yet such a broad sharing model facilitates a similar situation. They may very well control this construct but all of that control is clearly meant to serve one ultimate goal, which is the elimination of the secondary market, subsequently forcing people to purchase new software each and every time.

That is literally the only reason for DRM.

Allowing up to ten shares per game seems contrary to the rest of the draconian measures this system is predicated upon, especially if the parameters of this sharing model are as elastic as the rumors suggest.

But clearly, my own evaluation is premature until we get a clearer picture of what this sharing program actually entails.

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

Microsoft has such a terrible problem with messaging here. We've heard from them, what, five times on this topic, and still no one really know what their plan is or how it works apparently, including Microsoft.

UpInFlames

I agree and I wager that this is still sort of a work-in-progress. I doubt we'll know EXACTLY how this works until they actually launch the damn thing.

It IS a work in progress. Microsoft has confirmed that this wont be available at launch and that they are still talking to publishers about this. You think EA will let 10 people share your game? Not happening.

[QUOTE="UpInFlames"]

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

Microsoft has such a terrible problem with messaging here. We've heard from them, what, five times on this topic, and still no one really know what their plan is or how it works apparently, including Microsoft.

S0lidSnake

I agree and I wager that this is still sort of a work-in-progress. I doubt we'll know EXACTLY how this works until they actually launch the damn thing.

It IS a work in progress. Microsoft has confirmed that this wont be available at launch and that they are still talking to publishers about this. You think EA will let 10 people share your game? Not happening.

Yes! Because EA's letting rental stores rent their copies of games to more than 10 people. Because EA lets GameFly do this. Because EA's still going to let GameStop re-sell used games over and over. There will be some restriction but yes. They will.

And the reason they will, and be even happy to do so, is because unlike the rental store or the used game store, this game sharing service also gives EA a chance to sell you more stuff.

[QUOTE="alexwatchtower"]

[QUOTE="Randolph"] I don't think MS understands how obnoxious it is when they tell us they are giving us special permission to do things we have never needed permission of any kind to do.Randolph

Can I share your Xbox 360 or PS3 library right now if you add my gamertag?

Way to address the point.

[QUOTE="S0lidSnake"]

[QUOTE="UpInFlames"]

I agree and I wager that this is still sort of a work-in-progress. I doubt we'll know EXACTLY how this works until they actually launch the damn thing.

alexwatchtower

It IS a work in progress. Microsoft has confirmed that this wont be available at launch and that they are still talking to publishers about this. You think EA will let 10 people share your game? Not happening.

Yes! Because EA's letting rental stores rent their copies of games to more than 10 people. Because EA lets GameFly do this. Because EA's still going to let GameStop re-sell used games over and over. There will be some restriction but yes. They will.

And the reason they will, and be even happy to do so, is because unlike the rental store or the used game store, this game sharing service also gives EA a chance to sell you more stuff.

That is because right now EA can do little about rental stories and used game sales.

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Microsoft has such a terrible problem with messaging here. We've heard from them, what, five times on this topic, and still no one really know what their plan is or how it works apparently, including Microsoft.

S0lidSnake

I agree and I wager that this is still sort of a work-in-progress. I doubt we'll know EXACTLY how this works until they actually launch the damn thing.

It IS a work in progress. Microsoft has confirmed that this wont be available at launch and that they are still talking to publishers about this. You think EA will let 10 people share your game? Not happening.

lol

 SOLD!

 The idea is that ten people in your family group can all share your games. Think of it like a loaning system, but you're not loaning anyone a phyiscal product. If you're in my family group, you can play my games, and vice versa. 

I think the policy makes sense, Spencer said. Its not ten different people all playing the game concurrently, but when you think about a real usage scenario, and we thought about it around a family, and I know certain people will create a family group of people that arent all part of the same family, and I do think thats an advantage, and people will use that. I saw it on NeoGAF instantly, the Xbox Family creation threads, where people said 'Hey be a part of my family.'

No birth certificates will need to be sent in! Spencer said when I asked if the service required a blood test. I do think thats an advantage of the ecosystem that we have.

So that answers one question: Microsoft doesn't seem to care whether or not the ten people in the group are actually family members. They can be friends, roommates, boyfriends, girlfriends, your dog's groomer you pick ten people, and you share games with them.

http://penny-arcade.com/report/article/xbox-one-allows-you-to-share-games-with-ten-family-members-but-some-details 

OMG that is the best news ever.... Pre-orders PS4. I wonder if the family plan is limited to the local unit?

 SOLD!

 The idea is that ten people in your family group can all share your games. Think of it like a loaning system, but you're not loaning anyone a phyiscal product. If you're in my family group, you can play my games, and vice versa. 

I think the policy makes sense, Spencer said. Its not ten different people all playing the game concurrently, but when you think about a real usage scenario, and we thought about it around a family, and I know certain people will create a family group of people that arent all part of the same family, and I do think thats an advantage, and people will use that. I saw it on NeoGAF instantly, the Xbox Family creation threads, where people said 'Hey be a part of my family.'

No birth certificates will need to be sent in! Spencer said when I asked if the service required a blood test. I do think thats an advantage of the ecosystem that we have.

So that answers one question: Microsoft doesn't seem to care whether or not the ten people in the group are actually family members. They can be friends, roommates, boyfriends, girlfriends, your dog's groomer you pick ten people, and you share games with them.

http://penny-arcade.com/report/article/xbox-one-allows-you-to-share-games-with-ten-family-members-but-some-details alexwatchtower

OMG that is the best news ever.... Pre-orders PS4. I wonder if the family plan is limited to the local unit?

Pedro

No.

But if you want to share your game with SS, just mail it using USPS.:P

Why do I think of snake oil salesmen when I hear that you can share you games with 10 others?

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SOLD!

The idea is that ten people in your family group can all share your games. Think of it like a loaning system, but you're not loaning anyone a phyiscal product. If you're in my family group, you can play my games, and vice versa.

I think the policy makes sense, Spencer said. Its not ten different people all playing the game concurrently, but when you think about a real usage scenario, and we thought about it around a family, and I know certain people will create a family group of people that arent all part of the same family, and I do think thats an advantage, and people will use that. I saw it on NeoGAF instantly, the Xbox Family creation threads, where people said 'Hey be a part of my family.'

No birth certificates will need to be sent in! Spencer said when I asked if the service required a blood test. I do think thats an advantage of the ecosystem that we have.

So that answers one question: Microsoft doesn't seem to care whether or not the ten people in the group are actually family members. They can be friends, roommates, boyfriends, girlfriends, your dog's groomer you pick ten people, and you share games with them.

http://penny-arcade.com/report/article/xbox-one-allows-you-to-share-games-with-ten-family-members-but-some-detailsMonoSilver

exactly. I don't think this is going to play out the way you expect, Alex.

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