Could 2010 be the downfall of wii?

well this would be the 4th year of nintendo wii being available, and all the developers are losing faith in the wii and being lazy not wanting to prodcue a game for it because of the motioncontrols. At the moment First person shooters dominate the game industry because of huge deman and their popularity, and gamers know that wii is not the place to go for them, so sales are already declining and nintendo are resorting to the good Ol' franchises like zelda thank god i loved all of nintendos old games. but ive heard lots of opinions of nintendo being un appealing, to the current market.

So could this be the year that WII start to plunder, I bloody hope not i love wii :) but even if it does happen i hope nintendo bring out a even better console with no remote. The only thing that controls it is you, because i praise nintendo for daring to be different and i stick by them all the way in hope that they eventaully disintigrate microsoft and sony lol

We've got the classic controller you know. So except for graphics the Wii in the same as the other two consoles. In some ways better. The big problem is that not enough developers want to make hardcore games for the wii due to its market: kids. I also think that the don't realize that they could dev for the classic controller. Maybe the cc pro will turn things around.

K I also forgot that the wii's disc size is smaller than the xbox 360 and ps3's discs.

K I also forgot that the wii's disc size is smaller than the xbox 360 and ps3's discs.

wes008

thats why the wii is losing its appeal its got a lack of support from developers, only 3rd party devs willing to throw in a quick set of mini games are on the wii to cash in

Maybe thats why Nintendo seems to be pushing to get three big names out this year. Honestly hope to see Mario and Metroid but I will wait for Zelda. Its my favorite but if they start hurrying games to sell, that will be their true downfall.

so true nintendo shouldnt rush their games but if they dont then the wii is left without decent games for continuous months

Maybe thats why Nintendo seems to be pushing to get three big names out this year. Honestly hope to see Mario and Metroid but I will wait for Zelda. Its my favorite but if they start hurrying games to sell, that will be their true downfall.

everlong12

Maybe thats why Nintendo seems to be pushing to get three big names out this year. Honestly hope to see Mario and Metroid but I will wait for Zelda. Its my favorite but if they start hurrying games to sell, that will be their true downfall.

Wii became successful with minimum third party support. Most hardware sellers, if not all, came from Nintendo. I do not think having less third party support will affect it.

Like the DS everyone who wants one could have one.

K I also forgot that the wii's disc size is smaller than the xbox 360 and ps3's discs.

wes008

The Wii's Non Dual Layered Discs carry 4 gigs

The Wii's Dual Layered Discs hold either 8 or 9 gigs.

The Exact Same as the Xbox 360's Discs.

So really there is no excuse why the Wii Can't have was the 360 has.

Developers imediately thinks OOOOOO WE HAVE TO MAKE KIDDY GAMES!

GUESS WHAT! Those "Kids" are playing Modern Warfare 2 and Halo which are M rated games! if you want to make "Kid" games make GOOD GAMES!

no Developer will listen though. If it doesn't have HD Graphics it's not a gaming system to them. At least Sega didn't mess around and is giving the Wii Sonic the Hedgehog 4 instead of giving some sort of lame excuse for why it's not on the Wii.

no Developer will listen though. If it doesn't have HD Graphics it's not a gaming system to them.

LegatoSkyheart

It has very little to do with teh HD and everything to do with Nintendo being an incredibly strong software developer. Third parties, Western ones in particular, don't want to compete against Nintendo's software.

If Sega decided to release the Dreamcast 2, with 56 cores running at 10 Ghz, 25 Gigs of RAM, 15 Terabytes of internal storage and the ability to display at 3240p, developers wouldn't support the platform, because they got used to Sony and Microsoft providing platforms with much less first party games (that doesn't mean they are bad first party games, just very scarce, and not true system sellers). When your software sells the platforms, you call the shots, and Western developers got used to calling the shots. Remember the Dreamcast... Third parties saw an opportunity to bring Sega down to their level and they did everything they possibly could to achieve this goal. Remember the Gamecube, a much more powerful machine than the PS2, but third parties refused to support it and, before the Wii launch, "analysts" were already talking about Nintendo becoming a third party developer for Sony and Microsoft platforms. "Analysts", you should know, are nothing but the voice of "the industry", and "the industry" are third party developers (Western ones in particular), or at least they used to be, before the Wii started disrupting the industry.

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no Developer will listen though. If it doesn't have HD Graphics it's not a gaming system to them.

LordQuorthon

It has very little to do with teh HD and everything to do with Nintendo being an incredibly strong software developer. Third parties, Western ones in particular, don't want to compete against Nintendo's software.

If Sega decided to release the Dreamcast 2, with 56 cores running at 10 Ghz, 25 Gigs of RAM, 15 Terabytes of internal storage and the ability to display at 3240p, developers wouldn't support the platform, because they got used to Sony and Microsoft providing platforms with much less first party games (that doesn't mean they are bad first party games, just very scarce, and not true system sellers). When your software sells the platforms, you call the shots, and Western developers got used to calling the shots. Remember the Dreamcast... Third parties saw an opportunity to bring Sega down to their level and they did everything they possibly could to achieve this goal. Remember the Gamecube, a much more powerful machine than the PS2, but third parties refused to support it and, before the Wii launch, "analysts" were already talking about Nintendo becoming a third party developer for Sony and Microsoft platforms. "Analysts", you should know, are nothing but the voice of "the industry", and "the industry" are third party developers (Western ones in particular), or at least they used to be, before the Wii started disrupting the industry.

"Analysts" are stupid they just assume.

unless The Nintendo Wii gets ALL of the Multiplat games that the 360 and PS3 and PC have then My statement stands.

"Analysts" are stupid they just assume.

unless The Nintendo Wii gets ALL of the Multiplat games that the 360 and PS3 and PC have then My statement stands.

LegatoSkyheart

That will never happen. If third parties can find a way to avoid supporting a Nintendo platform, they will. The only way for third parties to support a Nintendo platform would be for said platform to become a full-blown monopoly. Get used to this idea.

yea,

nintendo has a huge lineup this year amd if all the games are meh, or flop. theyre screwed.

btw i love fps on the wii.. well call duty anyway :P o and metroid.

I don't think so, the Wii will be just fine.

There's tons of stuff that's coming out to cover every genre out there, so I don't see a problem.

NMH2 (which will bomb)

RS2 (probably sell close toa mil if not reach that)

Endless Ocean 2 (probably make a profit at least)

Monster Hunter 3 (probably sell close to a mil if not hit that)

Fragile (although beautiful, I could see this game failing. Especially if not advertised)

Galaxy 2 (it's Mario)

Other M (close to a mil if not hitting it, or above)

Epic Mickey (should do fairly well)

Sonic 4 (should do fairly well)

DQX (no idea about this series, but fairly well if it comes out this year)

Sin n Punishment 2 (should do fairly well)

I really don't see the Wii slipping in sales at all. It should turn a profit all year long. Besides, if Zelda comes out (which I doubt it will this year)... there's more of a reason to buy software and a system.

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K I also forgot that the wii's disc size is smaller than the xbox 360 and ps3's discs.

loco145

ehh wrong again. Standard wii discs hold 4.73 GB, DL (which are barley used) hold 8.46GB. 360 discs use DVD9's which hold up to 19 Gb, and PS3 Blurays can hold up to 60GB.

@TC

1. troll

2. Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Sonic 2D, Red Steel 2, Epic Mickey, Monkey Ball, Sin & Punishment 2, Monster Hunter 3, No More Heros 2, Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom: Ultimate All-Stars and more.

3. I think im pretty happy with what im gonna get this year

Have you looked at the 2010 lineup?... Think again.

Standard wii discs hold 4.73 GB, DL (which are barley used) hold 8.46GB. 360 discs use DVD9's which hold up to 19 Gb, and PS3 Blurays can hold up to 60GB.

painguy1

DVD9 is the exact same thing as Double Layered. The 360 uses the same discs as Brawl or the Metroid Prime Trilogy and, in fact, both Brawl and the Metroid Trilogy use up more space (7.8, more or less) than your average 360 game (which are usually 6.5 GB of data or less).

Blu Rays can hold 25 GB, while Double Layered Blu Rays contain 50 GB of data. Right now, only Metal Gear Solid 4 uses a Double Layered Blu Ray.

The news about third-parties have been bad early this year, but the future looks very bright. If Nintendo manages to release Zelda Wii this year then I will have no complaints about this year whatsoever.

The Wii will not slip in sales. Look at fall of 2008. That had to be the worst lineup in a long time for any company and the Wii still sold more. Tatsunoko vs Capcom and No More Heroes 2 are already out and have scored pretty well. Mario Galaxy 2, Metroid Prime other M and Zelda are supposed to come out this year plus Tales of Graces might hit. Then you have Sin and Punishment 2 as well as NBA Jam and Red Steel 2.

Hopefully all of these games turn out great. The lineup in 2010 for Wii is better than 08 and 09 combined. If they would throw in F-Zero or Pilotwings my head would spin out of control.

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Standard wii discs hold 4.73 GB, DL (which are barley used) hold 8.46GB. 360 discs use DVD9's which hold up to 19 Gb, and PS3 Blurays can hold up to 60GB.

LordQuorthon

DVD9 is the exact same thing as Double Layered. The 360 uses the same discs as Brawl or the Metroid Prime Trilogy and, in fact, both Brawl and the Metroid Trilogy use up more space (7.8, more or less) than your average 360 game (which are usually 6.5 GB of data or less).

Blu Rays can hold 25 GB, while Double Layered Blu Rays contain 50 GB of data. Right now, only Metal Gear Solid 4 uses a Double Layered Blu Ray.

oh wow my bad ur right :o OMG i was wrong. Im never wrong about hardware NOOOOOO!!!!! lol jk

what year wasnt a downfall for wii, when wii owners where in a doubt between what games is better to buy and they came few weeks apart??? we are constantly literally here begging for something to be released, my brother has a 360 (im not starting a console war, its just a comparison) and every couple of weeks there are some great tittles (from 8.0-9.5 scores) that you just cant decide which one to buy, now its dantes inferno, bioshock, mass effect 2, darks sider bayoneta etc. Just too sad for us wii users, after this i honestly doubt ill be getting the next nintendo console, UNLESS they are shoulder to shoulder with ps3,360 hardare power vise and have 80-90 3rd party tittles that the ps3 and 360 share...Thats just somthing that nintendo need to do! needed to do long time ago...

There's no doubt Nintendo is off to a slow start, but I wouldn't go as far as saying it's their 'downfall'. A lot of big games are coming out this year and I think it will keep Nintendo afoat in the market.

thats why the wii is losing its appeal its got a lack of support from developers, only 3rd party devs willing to throw in a quick set of mini games are on the wii to cash in

Getix-01

red steel 2 ubisoft , nmh 2 grinder sonic 4 . etc

plus games like mario galaxy 2 zelda metroid other m cod mw 1 cod 5 quantum of solace 007 wwe 2010 2011 09 bully . .the yrs just started. how can we say whats coming if we hARDLY KNOW seriously and no wii will not quit , selling ,

its selling in sports stores etc etc,, support is the same just becausea few lazy developers quit their jobs ,, dont change the fact that wii will continue to thrive

8youk now why these developer gave up ,,or lost faith in wii-because they rush their garbage out the door or dont release any period ,its not graphics or online play, its the quality of the gam play ,

capcom be disaponted in redc because thats not what re fans want they want a true resident evil , not an onrails game

ubisoft runs there mouth talkin about disappointing stuff , well youknow what, besides red steel and driver they done next to nil in terms of quality im not talki about quick and fun games like dogs 2 gt pro series etc but more in depth games lik the ones ive mention wheres our rainbow six ,

seriously saints row ! or gta games will sell if they arent rushed

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K I also forgot that the wii's disc size is smaller than the xbox 360 and ps3's discs.

LegatoSkyheart

The Wii's Non Dual Layered Discs carry 4 gigs

The Wii's Dual Layered Discs hold either 8 or 9 gigs.

The Exact Same as the Xbox 360's Discs.

So really there is no excuse why the Wii Can't have was the 360 has.

Developers imediately thinks OOOOOO WE HAVE TO MAKE KIDDY GAMES!

GUESS WHAT! Those "Kids" are playing Modern Warfare 2 and Halo which are M rated games! if you want to make "Kid" games make GOOD GAMES!

no Developer will listen though. If it doesn't have HD Graphics it's not a gaming system to them. At least Sega didn't mess around and is giving the Wii Sonic the Hedgehog 4 instead of giving some sort of lame excuse for why it's not on the Wii.

2010 has a great Wii line up. It's not it's downfall year haha.

when it comes to third party mature titles, yes it will (we will still get that odd mature game onece in a while, but it will not sell)

to first party? hell no

Zelda, mario galaxy 2, metroid other m

No, I don't think so. I think this might be the wii's best year yet.

I don't consider it the downfall this year's Wii line-up is much better than the others for me.

I agree, with what I've seen in games coming out this year for the Wii, it looks pretty promising! Especially with the new Zelda game supposedly coming out on the Wii this year.

I'll put it this way, Nintendo's 2010 line up has some serious competition that is not available for the Wii. For it is a bit strange to release (if they are really) 3 of their top franchises this year alone, to me that says somthing about The Wii struggling a bit after the quarter loss of devs. Yes the Wii may have lost some shovelware, but it can alsomean any potential good games.

I mean for instance, (A good game by the way) after No More Heroes 2 was released, From what I understood, Suda 51 stated that he would be interested bringing the franchise to other consoles, that alone is a smack to the face to Nintendo. This is also bad because the Original Game is coming out for the PS3 and 360, if there are any good sales, then definetly a port of NMH2 will come outa and (the worst case scenario if it happens) Suda 51 may develope NMH3 for the PS3 and 360 and leave the Wii out.

We just have to see and find out how the Wii's sales turn out for this year, no one really knows until those numbers come out to determine the final answer, but if I had to give out a guess right now, I'd say that Nintendo may suffer this year unless of course Super Mario Galaxy 2, Metroid Other M and the new Zelda game come out and are selling incredibly good, but as I said above, they are in for some serious competition.

If Nintendo can get Other M, SMG2, and the new zelda out this year, they can keep the Wii afloat.

Meh, the Wii will be in better than fine shape once the year is over with, and I don't see how this can be argued against. If the Wii was ever going to experience a true "downfall," it would have happened last year. And while the Wii did take a slip and some heat in 2009, look at all of what it took to get things going again: basically, a 2D Mario game, a couple of Wii series sequels, and a mostly insignificant price drop. At this point, the only thing that will be the demise of the Wii will be whenever Nintendo decides to pull the development plug on the thing, whether that be in lieu to the next console or just simply not trying anymore.

Anyone that has played attention to the Wii would know that it's a system that doesn't play the game by conventional rules. The fact that it has become as successful as it has without third party support of system-selling impact, that big first person shooter usually needed to move millions of systems, or some testosterone-driven IP to attract the "standard" 18-35 year old males out there suggests one thing: it doesn't need them. Nintendo's best move has been to ignoring what most considered to be the only way to go in this industry and aim for making progress in its own way. As long as Nintendo continues to play the game by its own rules, and not those made by others, it'll continue to be just fine, and that certainly includes the Wii's fate as well.

Looking just at this year, the Wii's first quarter will definitely be boosted on the simple idea that New Super Mario Bros. Wii will continue to move software and hardware units, so Nintendo can definitely wait before needing the likes of Super Mario Galaxy 2, Metroid: Other M, and possibly Zelda Wii to carry the load, which is what they probably will do once they're released. Factor in this, a few other noteworthy games, and the fact that we haven't even heard what Nintendo has in store for the latter half of the year, and the Wii definitely isn't going anywhere this year.

Long story short, no worries... well, unless you're one of those people just waiting for the Wii's run to end. I hear that there are a lot of those these days... :P

We've got the classic controller you know. So except for graphics the Wii in the same as the other two consoles. In some ways better. The big problem is that not enough developers want to make hardcore games for the wii due to its market: kids. I also think that the don't realize that they could dev for the classic controller. Maybe the cc pro will turn things around.

wes008

Genesis and PS1 developers could have developed for the six button and dualshock (respectively) in mind, but they rarely did. Developers have always been paranoid about developing for accessory controllers. They know not everyone will own it in addition to the console itself, and they don't want to divide the market more than necessary.

I'll put it this way, Nintendo's 2010 line up has some serious competition that is not available for the Wii. For it is a bit strange to release (if they are really) 3 of their top franchises this year alone, to me that says somthing about The Wii struggling a bit after the quarter loss of devs. Yes the Wii may have lost some shovelware, but it can alsomean any potential good games.

I mean for instance, (A good game by the way) after No More Heroes 2 was released, From what I understood, Suda 51 stated that he would be interested bringing the franchise to other consoles, that alone is a smack to the face to Nintendo. This is also bad because the Original Game is coming out for the PS3 and 360, if there are any good sales, then definetly a port of NMH2 will come outa and (the worst case scenario if it happens) Suda 51 may develope NMH3 for the PS3 and 360 and leave the Wii out.

We just have to see and find out how the Wii's sales turn out for this year, no one really knows until those numbers come out to determine the final answer, but if I had to give out a guess right now, I'd say that Nintendo may suffer this year unless of course Super Mario Galaxy 2, Metroid Other M and the new Zelda game come out and are selling incredibly good, but as I said above, they are in for some serious competition.

WR_Platinum

Suda51 was misunderstood. Later he clarified that NMH3 would be released on the Wii's successor console, and not on the competition. He said in the future he hoped to make an exclusive series on each of the consoles. NMH being ported (only in Japan) was Ubisoft, not Suda51.

The competition of the games coming out on the other two consoles cannot compare to Nintendo's 1st party lineup. If that were the case 3rd party dev wouldn't have an issue developing for Nintendo. But they don't, because they do not like the 1st party competition, because it forces them to work harder than they are willing too.