DO NOT Update to 4.2. It might cause bricks. Modded or not.

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[QUOTE="alexh_99"] Honestly i don't know much about laws and contracts and the likes, but i'm pretty sure stealing content is illegal, and whatever you use to steal this content is also illegal. but let's say you are right and it is totally legal. I still frown upon people who use it.TaMuK711

Yes, stealing content is illegal, but that does not mean that the tools that are used to steal content are themselves illegal.

A firearm can be used to rob a liquor store, but that does not make firearms illegal.

Horrible example. A firearm can be used for other things.. self defense, recreation, etc.

Homebrew tools are made. to do illegal things. That is the purpose of their being, stop trying to justify wrongdoing.

I repeat: the tools themselves are NOT illegal. Merely possessing them is not a crime. I'm not trying to justify wrongdoing. I'm only explaining what the legal status of the HBC & other custom apps actually is.

It is not a crime to download those tools to your Wii. What is a crime, however, is using those tools to install an illegally pirated copy of copyrighted software onto your Wii.

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[QUOTE="dkrustyklown"]

Yes, stealing content is illegal, but that does not mean that the tools that are used to steal content are themselves illegal.

A firearm can be used to rob a liquor store, but that does not make firearms illegal.

alexh_99

Horrible example. A firearm can be used for other things.. self defense, recreation, etc.

Homebrew tools are made. to do illegal things. That is the purpose of their being, stop trying to justify wrongdoing.

No it isn't. Stop trying to stretch, twist, and contort the law to make it cover things that it doesn't actually cover. There are many crimes which can only be committed with a computer, so by your logic, computers are illegal. They're not, however. Call a lawyer if you must, but please do something to inform yourself on the legal nuances of "illegal" vs "legal". It takes a specific legislative act, approved by the normal process and signed off on by the executive (or overriden if necessary), for something to become "illegal".

I will probably not update mine for a while. Does it even do anything?floridagators2

[QUOTE="floridagators2"]I will probably not update mine for a while. Does it even do anything?starwarsjunky

[QUOTE="starwarsjunky"][QUOTE="floridagators2"]I will probably not update mine for a while. Does it even do anything?garrett_duffman

I updated on day one to 4.2with no problems. If you get brickedyou deserve it,and that reason is because of illegal activity. If you have nothing illegal you have nothing to worry about.

I updated on day one to 4.2with no problems. If you get brickedyou deserve it,and that reason is because of illegal activity. If you have nothing illegal you have nothing to worry about.

boardn720

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I updated on day one to 4.2with no problems. If you get brickedyou deserve it,and that reason is because of illegal activity. If you have nothing illegal you have nothing to worry about.

starwarsjunky

I updated on day one to 4.2with no problems. If you get brickedyou deserve it,and that reason is because of illegal activity. If you have nothing illegal you have nothing to worry about.

boardn720

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[QUOTE="boardn720"]

I updated on day one to 4.2with no problems. If you get brickedyou deserve it,and that reason is because of illegal activity. If you have nothing illegal you have nothing to worry about.

boardn720

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[QUOTE="boardn720"]

I updated on day one to 4.2with no problems. If you get brickedyou deserve it,and that reason is because of illegal activity. If you have nothing illegal you have nothing to worry about.

boardn720

It's not going to affect most users, but still I feel sorry for those few catch in this mess.

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[QUOTE="starwarsjunky"] theres reported cases of legit wiis being bricked, tho. and nintendo acknowleged it. its like going to vegas and you play a game where theres a 99% chance of winning a penny. but if you happen to lose, you loss $1000. is the benefit really worth it? no.

Tamborific

It's not going to affect most users, but still I feel sorry for those few catch in this mess.

I updated on day one to 4.2with no problems. If you get brickedyou deserve it,and that reason is because of illegal activity. If you have nothing illegal you have nothing to worry about.

I updated on day one to 4.2with no problems. If you get brickedyou deserve it,and that reason is because of illegal activity. If you have nothing illegal you have nothing to worry about.

[QUOTE="boardn720"][QUOTE="garrett_duffman"] a clean wii is just as likely to brick as a dirty wii. garrett_duffman

[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"][QUOTE="boardn720"] Can you provide some proof of that statement? If yes then link it pleaseboardn720

If Nintendo is bricking wiis that have homebrew on them, i say good for Nintendo.

that will teach them not to steal things.alexh_99

To be fair, their can be legitimate (as in not illegal) reasons to use the homebrew channel, such as installing a media player so you can watch videos stored on an SD card, or even to play genuine homebrew games. Of course it could just as easily be used to play pirated software. At any rate, Nintendo is under no obligation to ensure that the update is compatible with whatever unauthorized software might be installed.

[QUOTE="alexh_99"]If Nintendo is bricking wiis that have homebrew on them, i say good for Nintendo.

that will teach them not to steal things.dzimm

To be fair, their can be legitimate (as in not illegal) reasons to use the homebrew channel, such as installing a media player so you can watch videos stored on an SD card, or even to play genuine homebrew games. Of course it could just as easily be used to play pirated software. At any rate, Nintendo is under no obligation to ensure that the update is compatible with whatever unauthorized software might be installed.

I'm fairly sure that every single person that says that his or her Wii was bricked for no reason is lying.

Times like these get me pist >_> I mean, wtf? seriosuly. Nintendo needs to be more careful.

[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"][QUOTE="starwarsjunky"] the only reason i can see in updating is if you want to get something from the wii store. otherwise just wait til the next update at least.starwarsjunky

you'll only get a free VC game if you have previously paid 500 wii point for the Internet channel, which is now free. It is sort of a rebate. :)

I did it just now without any problem.

[QUOTE="alexh_99"][QUOTE="TaMuK711"]

Horrible example. A firearm can be used for other things.. self defense, recreation, etc.

Homebrew tools are made. to do illegal things. That is the purpose of their being, stop trying to justify wrongdoing.

dkrustyklown

No it isn't. Stop trying to stretch, twist, and contort the law to make it cover things that it doesn't actually cover. There are many crimes which can only be committed with a computer, so by your logic, computers are illegal. They're not, however. Call a lawyer if you must, but please do something to inform yourself on the legal nuances of "illegal" vs "legal". It takes a specific legislative act, approved by the normal process and signed off on by the executive (or overriden if necessary), for something to become "illegal".

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[QUOTE="alexh_99"] Basically this is what i am getting at. If there is no way to steal something, but someone finally figures out a way to do so by modding their wii, using homebrew etc, then whatever they used is also illegal. i'm not saying if you steal a candy bar in your sweater, that sweaters are also illegal.alexh_99

No it isn't. Stop trying to stretch, twist, and contort the law to make it cover things that it doesn't actually cover. There are many crimes which can only be committed with a computer, so by your logic, computers are illegal. They're not, however. Call a lawyer if you must, but please do something to inform yourself on the legal nuances of "illegal" vs "legal". It takes a specific legislative act, approved by the normal process and signed off on by the executive (or overriden if necessary), for something to become "illegal".

I was thinking the exact words "Im not updating it, modded or not". Im gonna call-up Ninty later to get more info on update 4.2

[QUOTE="alexh_99"][QUOTE="dkrustyklown"]

No it isn't. Stop trying to stretch, twist, and contort the law to make it cover things that it doesn't actually cover. There are many crimes which can only be committed with a computer, so by your logic, computers are illegal. They're not, however. Call a lawyer if you must, but please do something to inform yourself on the legal nuances of "illegal" vs "legal". It takes a specific legislative act, approved by the normal process and signed off on by the executive (or overriden if necessary), for something to become "illegal".

garrett_duffman

Just follow the rules, and there will be nothing to worry about

[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"][QUOTE="alexh_99"] all i'm saying is if nintendo does not want the HBC on their console, they should (and do) have the right to brick wii's, because it is used for illegal things and can be illegal itself.alexh_99

Just follow the rules, and there will be nothing to worry about

I've had no problems since the update... I've played a few different games too (online/offline). I honestly feel that the online experience seemed to be better, at least somewhat.

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[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"] no, they have no right to purposely render somebody's 250 dollar investment useless. garrett_duffman

Just follow the rules, and there will be nothing to worry about

[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"][QUOTE="alexh_99"] all i'm saying is if nintendo does not want the HBC on their console, they should (and do) have the right to brick wii's, because it is used for illegal things and can be illegal itself.alexh_99

Just follow the rules, and there will be nothing to worry about

[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"][QUOTE="alexh_99"] like bob said earlier, When you connect the wii to the internet you agree with nintendos terms of use (or whatever it is called). Somewhere in there it talks about "other applications on the wii", and how its not allowed. If someone breaks the TOU here on gamespot, they get banned. Someone breaks the TOU with nintendo, they get bricked.

Just follow the rules, and there will be nothing to worry about

alexh_99

[QUOTE="alexh_99"][QUOTE="garrett_duffman"] you cant compare a social network to a 200 dollar piece of equipment. garrett_duffman

right now, my wii is on, just thinking wheather to it the Update button or not:x

I just called Nintendo and they said: AS LONG AS YOU DONT HAVE ANY UNLICENSED WII CHANNELS(SUCH AS HOMEBREW), YOUR WII WILL NOT GET BRICKED!

I just called Nintendo and they said: AS LONG AS YOU DONT HAVE ANY UNLICENSED WII CHANNELS(SUCH AS HOMEBREW), YOUR WII WILL NOT GET BRICKED!

insect13

Your wii has the same chance of bricking no matter what you have on there. It all depends on if the install is interrupted at any point, thus causing a corruption in the wii's bootsector. The only thing that might cause it to brick otherwise is some very illegal failware that no homebrewer in his right mind would use.

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I just called Nintendo and they said: AS LONG AS YOU DONT HAVE ANY UNLICENSED WII CHANNELS(SUCH AS HOMEBREW), YOUR WII WILL NOT GET BRICKED!

DOS4dinner

Your wii has the same chance of bricking no matter what you have on there. It all depends on if the install is interrupted at any point, thus causing a corruption in the wii's bootsector. The only thing that might cause it to brick otherwise is some very illegal failware that no homebrewer in his right mind would use.

I just called Nintendo and they said: AS LONG AS YOU DONT HAVE ANY UNLICENSED WII CHANNELS(SUCH AS HOMEBREW), YOUR WII WILL NOT GET BRICKED!

insect13

all i'm saying is if nintendo does not want the HBC on their console, they should (and do) have the right to brick wii's, because it is used for illegal things and can be illegal itself.alexh_99

I completely agree with you on this point. It is, indeed, Nintendo's right to brick modded Wiis.

I was just clarifying that modding a Wii, in and of itself, is legal. What Nintendo does in response to people modding their Wiis is legal, as well.

in the TOU it states that if rules are broken it will lead to a ban. nowhere in nitendo's terms of use does it state that they have the authority to brick your wii.

garrett_duffman

Nothing in the TOU says that they can't brick your Wii if you mod it, either. In fact, there is no rule anywhere that prevents Nintendo from bricking a Wii. It just so happens that if you mod your Wii, then the warranty is voided and Nintendo is not responsible for fixing it, even if they're the ones that disabled it.

[QUOTE="insect13"]

I just called Nintendo and they said: AS LONG AS YOU DONT HAVE ANY UNLICENSED WII CHANNELS(SUCH AS HOMEBREW), YOUR WII WILL NOT GET BRICKED!

OreoMilkshake

Yes!

[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"]

in the TOU it states that if rules are broken it will lead to a ban. nowhere in nitendo's terms of use does it state that they have the authority to brick your wii.

dkrustyklown

Nothing in the TOU says that they can't brick your Wii if you mod it, either. In fact, there is no rule anywhere that prevents Nintendo from bricking a Wii. It just so happens that if you mod your Wii, then the warranty is voided and Nintendo is not responsible for fixing it, even if they're the ones that disabled it.

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[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"]

in the TOU it states that if rules are broken it will lead to a ban. nowhere in nitendo's terms of use does it state that they have the authority to brick your wii.

garrett_duffman

Nothing in the TOU says that they can't brick your Wii if you mod it, either. In fact, there is no rule anywhere that prevents Nintendo from bricking a Wii. It just so happens that if you mod your Wii, then the warranty is voided and Nintendo is not responsible for fixing it, even if they're the ones that disabled it.

But it doesn't say that they can't. Also, I don't believe that there is a law regarding this topic, so legality is a moot point. Nintendo is not legally responsible for any modded Wii's being bricked. If you mod your device, then you do so with the implied understanding that A) it is no longer under warranty & B) a future software update may be incompatible with your modification and render the device useless. That's the risk that you take by modding. It's a balancing act. Sure, you can legally mod your Wii, but you do so at the risk that a future firmware update may be incompatible with your modification. As long as it's only modded Wii's that are bricked, Nintendo is in the clear, because Nintendo can respond to any accusatiosn by saying, "well, they modded it, therefore they're 100% responsible for breaking it. of they didn't want it to break, then they shouldn't have modded it." Legally, the causation of the "brick" would be deemed to be the mod, and not the update, since all Nintendo has to do is point to an unmodded Wii that has been updated and still works in order to clear themselves of direct causation.

I defy anyone with a modded & bricked Wii to try to take Nintendo to court. It won't work.