DO NOT Update to 4.2. It might cause bricks. Modded or not.

[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"][QUOTE="dkrustyklown"]

Nothing in the TOU says that they can't brick your Wii if you mod it, either. In fact, there is no rule anywhere that prevents Nintendo from bricking a Wii. It just so happens that if you mod your Wii, then the warranty is voided and Nintendo is not responsible for fixing it, even if they're the ones that disabled it.

dkrustyklown

But it doesn't say that they can't. Also, I don't believe that there is a law regarding this topic, so legality is a moot point. Nintendo is not legally responsible for any modded Wii's being bricked. If you mod your device, then you do so with the implied understanding that A) it is no longer under warranty & B) a future software update may be incompatible with your modification and render the device useless. That's the risk that you take by modding. It's a balancing act. Sure, you can legally mod your Wii, but you do so at the risk that a future firmware update may be incompatible with your modification. As long as it's only modded Wii's that are bricked, Nintendo is in the clear, because Nintendo can respond to any accusatiosn by saying, "well, they modded it, therefore they're 100% responsible for breaking it. of they didn't want it to break, then they shouldn't have modded it." Legally, the causation of the "brick" would be deemed to be the mod, and not the update, since all Nintendo has to do is point to an unmodded Wii that has been updated and still works in order to clear themselves of direct causation.

I defy anyone with a modded & bricked Wii to try to take Nintendo to court. It won't work.

[QUOTE="dkrustyklown"]

[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"] it doesnt work that way. the only instance in which they CAN legally brick it is if it is stated so in the TOU, and the TOU says that nintendo can ban you from going online, since the TOU is for online, not for owning a wii. garrett_duffman

But it doesn't say that they can't. Also, I don't believe that there is a law regarding this topic, so legality is a moot point. Nintendo is not legally responsible for any modded Wii's being bricked. If you mod your device, then you do so with the implied understanding that A) it is no longer under warranty & B) a future software update may be incompatible with your modification and render the device useless. That's the risk that you take by modding. It's a balancing act. Sure, you can legally mod your Wii, but you do so at the risk that a future firmware update may be incompatible with your modification. As long as it's only modded Wii's that are bricked, Nintendo is in the clear, because Nintendo can respond to any accusatiosn by saying, "well, they modded it, therefore they're 100% responsible for breaking it. of they didn't want it to break, then they shouldn't have modded it." Legally, the causation of the "brick" would be deemed to be the mod, and not the update, since all Nintendo has to do is point to an unmodded Wii that has been updated and still works in order to clear themselves of direct causation.

I defy anyone with a modded & bricked Wii to try to take Nintendo to court. It won't work.

[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"][QUOTE="dkrustyklown"]

But it doesn't say that they can't. Also, I don't believe that there is a law regarding this topic, so legality is a moot point. Nintendo is not legally responsible for any modded Wii's being bricked. If you mod your device, then you do so with the implied understanding that A) it is no longer under warranty & B) a future software update may be incompatible with your modification and render the device useless. That's the risk that you take by modding. It's a balancing act. Sure, you can legally mod your Wii, but you do so at the risk that a future firmware update may be incompatible with your modification. As long as it's only modded Wii's that are bricked, Nintendo is in the clear, because Nintendo can respond to any accusatiosn by saying, "well, they modded it, therefore they're 100% responsible for breaking it. of they didn't want it to break, then they shouldn't have modded it." Legally, the causation of the "brick" would be deemed to be the mod, and not the update, since all Nintendo has to do is point to an unmodded Wii that has been updated and still works in order to clear themselves of direct causation.

I defy anyone with a modded & bricked Wii to try to take Nintendo to court. It won't work.

starwarsjunky

For the record, can I get a clear, concise definition of what "bricking" means in reference to consoles, please? Every time I see the word, it conjurs a most unpleasant mental image that only relates to gaming in the narrowist of possible margins. Thanks.

And, a comment about legal usages, etc. There are places where something as simple as a can of spraypaint either requires a permit to possess, or a valid ID to purchase, or is outright banned due to municipal ordinances against graffiti. Likewise, pinball machines have a sordid history with the law. Firearms are heavily regulated in most states. Perhaps a modified Wii is legal to possess, but it may not always be.

For the record, can I get a clear, concise definition of what "bricking" means in reference to consoles, please? Every time I see the word, it conjurs a most unpleasant mental image that only relates to gaming in the narrowist of possible margins. Thanks.

And, a comment about legal usages, etc. There are places where something as simple as a can of spraypaint either requires a permit to possess, or a valid ID to purchase, or is outright banned due to municipal ordinances against graffiti. Likewise, pinball machines have a sordid history with the law. Firearms are heavily regulated in most states. Perhaps a modified Wii is legal to possess, but it may not always be.

ImbaIance

nintendo is tryin to ripp us off so we have to buy new wiis

nintendo is tryin to ripp us off so we have to buy new wiis

MajerHawk

you'll only get a free VC game if you have previously paid 500 wii point for the Internet channel, which is now free. It is sort of a rebate. :)

boardn720

[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"]

in the TOU it states that if rules are broken it will lead to a ban. nowhere in nitendo's terms of use does it state that they have the authority to brick your wii.

dkrustyklown

Nothing in the TOU says that they can't brick your Wii if you mod it, either. In fact, there is no rule anywhere that prevents Nintendo from bricking a Wii. It just so happens that if you mod your Wii, then the warranty is voided and Nintendo is not responsible for fixing it, even if they're the ones that disabled it.

If you do mod it and the wii no longer works after any future update it's not nintendos fault for the simple fact that future updates are not going to be compatible with any software that is not authorized by nintendo. The way they can do this is because if you have no unauthorized software and the wii bricks they fix it for free.

I just updated mine today. Mine didn't brick. Wikipedia says just don't disconnect from the internet when updating. Simple as that.

I just updated mine today. Mine didn't brick. Wikipedia says just don't disconnect from the internet when updating. Simple as that.

x3ni1992

[QUOTE="x3ni1992"]

I just updated mine today. Mine didn't brick. Wikipedia says just don't disconnect from the internet when updating. Simple as that.

Big_Evil666

[QUOTE="Big_Evil666"][QUOTE="x3ni1992"]

I just updated mine today. Mine didn't brick. Wikipedia says just don't disconnect from the internet when updating. Simple as that.

garrett_duffman

Well durr that's because you hav homebrew stuff on your Wii :P

[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"][QUOTE="dkrustyklown"]

But it doesn't say that they can't. Also, I don't believe that there is a law regarding this topic, so legality is a moot point. Nintendo is not legally responsible for any modded Wii's being bricked. If you mod your device, then you do so with the implied understanding that A) it is no longer under warranty & B) a future software update may be incompatible with your modification and render the device useless. That's the risk that you take by modding. It's a balancing act. Sure, you can legally mod your Wii, but you do so at the risk that a future firmware update may be incompatible with your modification. As long as it's only modded Wii's that are bricked, Nintendo is in the clear, because Nintendo can respond to any accusatiosn by saying, "well, they modded it, therefore they're 100% responsible for breaking it. of they didn't want it to break, then they shouldn't have modded it." Legally, the causation of the "brick" would be deemed to be the mod, and not the update, since all Nintendo has to do is point to an unmodded Wii that has been updated and still works in order to clear themselves of direct causation.

I defy anyone with a modded & bricked Wii to try to take Nintendo to court. It won't work.

starwarsjunky

Cite a law that says Nintendo can't brick modded Wiis. Cite one. If you modify a console and the console manufacturer puts out an update that is incompatible with your modification and causes it to brick, then that is YOUR fault. It's right there on your warranty, deal with it.

[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"][QUOTE="Big_Evil666"] pretty much. it even says it during the update on the Wii system. don't disconnect from the internet or turn off the machine. should be a givenmaxgil2

Well durr that's because you hav homebrew stuff on your Wii :P

[QUOTE="starwarsjunky"][QUOTE="garrett_duffman"] what dont you get about IT DOESNT MATTER IF THEY DONT SAY THEY CANT? for the final time THATS NOT HOW IT WORKS. dkrustyklown

Cite a law that says Nintendo can't brick modded Wiis. Cite one. If you modify a console and the console manufacturer puts out an update that is incompatible with your modification and causes it to brick, then that is YOUR fault. It's right there on your warranty, deal with it.

please, stop acting like you even know HALF of what your talking about. it's extremely irritating explaining how this works eevery 5 minutes.

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yes they can. you do not own the software. you own a license to use the software. if you modify the software not only are you liable for copywrite violation, but they can take the license away from you.teknic1200

Legal homebrew does not modify Nintendo's code in any way, nor distributes it. Therefore, it is not copyright violation. Yes, they can take the license to use some software (Like the shop channel or something) but they can't take away software needed for the Wii's function. Period. If they brick it, they buy it, unless their update (That actually updates and doesn't just attack homebrew) bricks your machine due to your homebrew (Which should never happen, unless you are a pirate). Anyway, it doesn't make sense for them to brick a machine; if it is bricked, there is no chance that the user will buy more games.

This thread needs to die. In short:

The update is safe for ALL machines, homebrew or not.

The update does nothing but attack homebrew. It is not needed for any other reason.

Your machine will brick if and only if the update is stopped by an outside force, as this updates the wii's crucial bootsector. EX: a sudden crash (Not likely), a power surge, cord getting ripped out, etc.

[QUOTE="dkrustyklown"]

i know if i had done anything, i would be threatening them with legal action right now. nintendo does NOT hold the rights to the wii after they sell it to you. they cannot intentionally brick wiis just you made a modification, some of which are COMPLETELY legal.starwarsjunky

Cite a law that says Nintendo can't brick modded Wiis. Cite one. If you modify a console and the console manufacturer puts out an update that is incompatible with your modification and causes it to brick, then that is YOUR fault. It's right there on your warranty, deal with it.

please, stop acting like you even know HALF of what your talking about. it's extremely irritating explaining how this works eevery 5 minutes.

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Legal homebrew does not modify Nintendo's code in any way, nor distributes it. Therefore, it is not copyright violation. DOS4dinner

Your Wii Console and the Wii Network Service are not designed for use with unauthorized software, services, or devices or non-licensed accessories, and you may not use any of these with your Wii Console or the Wii Network Service. Such use may be illegal, voids any warranty, and is a breach of this agreement.

running unauthorized software is still in violation of the EULA. the wii's OS was not designed and is not intended to run homebrew. you can candy coat it all you wan but at the end of the day you are wrong. teknic1200

Point made, but I Think they changed their wording since I got my Wii at launch. I don't even remember an agreement on boot up; I guess I forgot. Or they added it.

Even if something is in the eula, it doesn't necessarily mean it's enforceable. Another line, further down, just for example:

You may not host, intercept, emulate, or reverse engineer any part of the Wii Console or the Wii Network Service.

U.S. Copyright law allows for reverse engineering for compatibility purposes last time I checked. Also, their use of the word "may" several times puts a little bit of legal doubt in there, as I would think that they would say "Your Wii will be bricked if unauthorised software is found", as that would scare off 99% of most script kiddies. Actually, if they could, why didn't they do with this last update? If they really do have the power, why haven't they bricked every homebrew wii already? I have a feeling there is a legal grey area that Nintendo doesn't want to cross just to get some random haxxors.

"Product liability law, also called "products liability", governs the liability of manufacturers, wholesalers, distributors, and vendors for damages caused by dangerous or defective products." if something is defective, such as an update, nintendo is at fault, not the consumer. the only legal action nintendo can take is to not fix modded wii's, as modded wii's void the warranty. "Design Defects: Liability arises from a mistake or oversight in the design of a product, which makes it dangerous when used as intended, or when used for another reasonably foreseeable purpose." such as homebrew on a console.

please, stop acting like you even know HALF of what your talking about. it's extremely irritating explaining how this works eevery 5 minutes.

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garrett_duffman

BZZZZZZT! Wrong! The update isn't considered defective if it bricks a modded Wii's. Legally speaking, the defect isn't with the update. It's with the console modification.

Once again, I will clarify that the responsability for a modded Wii being bricked rests squre on the shoulders of the person that modded the console. They were warned that any modifications can cause the console to not work properly. There is no timeframe with this warning. So just because a modded Wii works perfectly before an update and then is bricked after one, that changes nothing. Nintendo warns every purchaser that unauthorized modificaitons may cause the console to cease functioning. Legally, this covers all of their actions.

Don't want a bricked Wii? Then don't mod it. It's that simple, and Nintendo bears no legal responsability for what happens.

You will find NO case law supporting your overly broad interpretation of product liability law.

EDIT: The thing to keep in mind is that Nintendo bears no burden to ensure that the Wii's software is compatible with unauthorized technical modifications. The burden is always on the person that is performing the modification to ensure that the modification is compatible with the Wii's software as well as any future updates to the Wii's software. The person performing the modification is taking a huge risk, because unless he has a crystal ball that tells him the future, then he has no way of knowing exactly how the software will be updated in the future.

What you want is for people to be able to mod without risk. This isn't going to happen. Nintendo spells it out quite clearly in its warnings: modify your Wii and you run the risk of it no longer functioning. This gives Nintendo perfect legal cover to do what it does.

The way I see it, Nintendo has no responsibility on how the update may affect a modded Wii, but that still don't give them the right to intentionally brick the system. What they did with Patch 4.2 is fine; the code tries to undo any homebrew modification but isn't designed to brick the system.

I will not pretend I know laws or jurisprudence in the subject, but if a company has the right to persecute, judge, and condemn the use you give to hardware in your home, by intentionally disabling it, that sure seems wrong to me.

[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"]

"Product liability law, also called "products liability", governs the liability of manufacturers, wholesalers, distributors, and vendors for damages caused by dangerous or defective products." if something is defective, such as an update, nintendo is at fault, not the consumer. the only legal action nintendo can take is to not fix modded wii's, as modded wii's void the warranty. "Design Defects: Liability arises from a mistake or oversight in the design of a product, which makes it dangerous when used as intended, or when used for another reasonably foreseeable purpose." such as homebrew on a console.

please, stop acting like you even know HALF of what your talking about. it's extremely irritating explaining how this works eevery 5 minutes.

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dkrustyklown

BZZZZZZT! Wrong! The update isn't considered defective if it bricks a modded Wii's. Legally speaking, the defect isn't with the update. It's with the console modification.

Once again, I will clarify that the responsability for a modded Wii being bricked rests squre on the shoulders of the person that modded the console. They were warned that any modifications can cause the console to not work properly. There is no timeframe with this warning. So just because a modded Wii works perfectly before an update and then is bricked after one, that changes nothing. Nintendo warns every purchaser that unauthorized modificaitons may cause the console to cease functioning. Legally, this covers all of their actions.

Don't want a bricked Wii? Then don't mod it. It's that simple, and Nintendo bears no legal responsability for what happens.

You will find NO case law supporting your overly broad interpretation of product liability law.

EDIT: The thing to keep in mind is that Nintendo bears no burden to ensure that the Wii's software is compatible with unauthorized technical modifications. The burden is always on the person that is performing the modification to ensure that the modification is compatible with the Wii's software as well as any future updates to the Wii's software. The person performing the modification is taking a huge risk, because unless he has a crystal ball that tells him the future, then he has no way of knowing exactly how the software will be updated in the future.

What you want is for people to be able to mod without risk. This isn't going to happen. Nintendo spells it out quite clearly in its warnings: modify your Wii and you run the risk of it no longer functioning. This gives Nintendo perfect legal cover to do what it does.

for. the. last time. the UPDATE was bricking wiis. REGARDLESS OF MODIFICATION. I swear to god the next person who bumps this topic with any more of this ignorant bullcrap is going to get the head of their most prized posession on their bed. garrett_duffman

I stand by my asssertion that anyone that claims that their unmodded Wii was bricked is telling a bald-faced lie.

Nintendo has said what it says because it's just good PR to do so, but I defy one person to show that an unmodded Wii has been bricked. This site has many Wii owners, and none of them have as of yet announced that their Wii was bricked without reason.

for. the. last time. Nintendo has full legal cover to brick modded Wii's. The plain-as-day warning that modifications to the Wii's system may render it unable to function gives them full legal cover to do so.

I stand by my asssertion that anyone that claims that their unmodded Wii was bricked is telling a bald-faced lie.

dkrustyklown

The update bricks if and only if the update fails due to a sudden crash, loss of power, power surge, etc. It does not matter if it had homebrew or not. Period. This update changes the bootsector on the wii; if that fails, the wii is bricked, regardless of what is on the Wii.

I stand by my asssertion that anyone that claims that their unmodded Wii was bricked is telling a bald-faced lie.

dkrustyklown

And if you'd bothered to spend more than ten seconds to look at what it is that gets changed with 4.2, you'd realize how much of an **** you look for writing such a thing. There's a reason that Nintendo (rarely) touches the boot sector in the firmware - it is very volatile in nature. Firmware 4.2 (particularly for Wii's made before LU64**) overwrites and replaces the booting IOS that the Wii uses. The problem comes from the fact that the code that deals with this particular portion is very fault intolerant, meaning any little thing could cause a problem. It's a bit like trying to compile an alpha driver for a nightly build of linux. The risk of problems is simply very high. And if the writing of that fails, then the Wii is unable to boot successfully, which effectively gives you a ( **** ) bricked console. Even when prior updates had updated boot loader code, most were usually written to avoid doing that simply because of the inherent risk. It's why up until now, Nintendo usually reserved boot sector updates for when a wii had to be brought in for repair, or for newly manufactured Wii's on the assembly line.codezer0

And yet not a single person on these entire forums has come right out and said, "hey, my Wii was unmodded and it was bricked". Not. a. single. person. Hmmmmmmm...

[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"]

"Product liability law, also called "products liability", governs the liability of manufacturers, wholesalers, distributors, and vendors for damages caused by dangerous or defective products." if something is defective, such as an update, nintendo is at fault, not the consumer. the only legal action nintendo can take is to not fix modded wii's, as modded wii's void the warranty. "Design Defects: Liability arises from a mistake or oversight in the design of a product, which makes it dangerous when used as intended, or when used for another reasonably foreseeable purpose." such as homebrew on a console.

please, stop acting like you even know HALF of what your talking about. it's extremely irritating explaining how this works eevery 5 minutes.

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dkrustyklown

BZZZZZZT! Wrong! The update isn't considered defective if it bricks a modded Wii's. Legally speaking, the defect isn't with the update. It's with the console modification.

Once again, I will clarify that the responsability for a modded Wii being bricked rests squre on the shoulders of the person that modded the console. They were warned that any modifications can cause the console to not work properly. There is no timeframe with this warning. So just because a modded Wii works perfectly before an update and then is bricked after one, that changes nothing. Nintendo warns every purchaser that unauthorized modificaitons may cause the console to cease functioning. Legally, this covers all of their actions.

Don't want a bricked Wii? Then don't mod it. It's that simple, and Nintendo bears no legal responsability for what happens.

You will find NO case law supporting your overly broad interpretation of product liability law.

EDIT: The thing to keep in mind is that Nintendo bears no burden to ensure that the Wii's software is compatible with unauthorized technical modifications. The burden is always on the person that is performing the modification to ensure that the modification is compatible with the Wii's software as well as any future updates to the Wii's software. The person performing the modification is taking a huge risk, because unless he has a crystal ball that tells him the future, then he has no way of knowing exactly how the software will be updated in the future.

What you want is for people to be able to mod without risk. This isn't going to happen. Nintendo spells it out quite clearly in its warnings: modify your Wii and you run the risk of it no longer functioning. This gives Nintendo perfect legal cover to do what it does.

And yet not a single person on these entire forums has come right out and said, "hey, my Wii was unmodded and it was bricked". Not. a. single. person. Hmmmmmmm...

dkrustyklown

Probably because people don't make a habit of pulling power cords out of their machines when a message on the screen says "Updating. Do Not turn off."

Also, there have been very few cases of Wiis bricking at all. You would not find one on here because 99% of the users on here have at least basic tech skills; the people who get bricked would be those who have a kid that tripped over the cord and cut the power, have a really flaky internet connection, or it just randomly crashed.

Everything codezer0 said is true. Groups have found out exactly what this update does, and I mean exactly. It updates the bootsector, checks for homebrew, and removes it. That's it. Power gets cut or some random crash (nearly impossible, but could happen if your internet connection was really flaky or something), your Wii is bricked, regardless of any modification. End of story, end of thread, end of line.

And yet not a single person on these entire forums has come right out and said, "hey, my Wii was unmodded and it was bricked". Not. a. single. person. Hmmmmmmm...

dkrustyklown

if bricking modded wiis just happened to be a side effect of an update, thatd be fine.

starwarsjunky

BINGO! We have a winner. There is no rule anywhere that states that Nintendo cannot intentionally include into an update the side-effect of bricking modded Wiis. Updates are designed specifically to not work with modded Wii's, so if a modded Wii is updated, then it should cease to function. Once again, Nintendo is not obligated to ensure that their software is compatible with unauthorized modifications. In fact, Nintendo can go out of its way to ensure that its software does not work with unauthorized modifications.

If you think that Nintendo is obligated to check its code to make sure that it works with unauthorized modifications, then your idea of product liability is askew. A product manufacturer has every right to include in its design elements that prevent the product from being used in a way that the manufacturer did not intend, deal with it. If homebrewers want to use their consoles in ways unintended by the manufacturer, then I suggest that they design and manufacture their own consoles, because Nintendo is under no obligation to coddle them.

i think this thread can be closed now. on the O/T, is there a way to keep up to date with new updates to the Wii software?Big_Evil666

I agree. As for the second part (I assume you mean what the update does), yes there is a way, but GS would ban me if I posted a link. It's not that the site has illegal content or anything bad; GS just has a total ban on all homebrew discussion at the moment.

Oh, and to dkrusty, Nintendo doesn't want to brick a console. They want to make an update that removes all homebrew, but still allows people to play (read: buy) games for that console. Or, at the very least (And most likely their current goal), make an update that makes homebrew so difficult or dangerous that 99% of people won't do it.

[QUOTE="dkrustyklown"]

[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"]

"Product liability law, also called "products liability", governs the liability of manufacturers, wholesalers, distributors, and vendors for damages caused by dangerous or defective products." if something is defective, such as an update, nintendo is at fault, not the consumer. the only legal action nintendo can take is to not fix modded wii's, as modded wii's void the warranty. "Design Defects: Liability arises from a mistake or oversight in the design of a product, which makes it dangerous when used as intended, or when used for another reasonably foreseeable purpose." such as homebrew on a console.

please, stop acting like you even know HALF of what your talking about. it's extremely irritating explaining how this works eevery 5 minutes.

source

starwarsjunky

BZZZZZZT! Wrong! The update isn't considered defective if it bricks a modded Wii's. Legally speaking, the defect isn't with the update. It's with the console modification.

Once again, I will clarify that the responsability for a modded Wii being bricked rests squre on the shoulders of the person that modded the console. They were warned that any modifications can cause the console to not work properly. There is no timeframe with this warning. So just because a modded Wii works perfectly before an update and then is bricked after one, that changes nothing. Nintendo warns every purchaser that unauthorized modificaitons may cause the console to cease functioning. Legally, this covers all of their actions.

Don't want a bricked Wii? Then don't mod it. It's that simple, and Nintendo bears no legal responsability for what happens.

You will find NO case law supporting your overly broad interpretation of product liability law.

EDIT: The thing to keep in mind is that Nintendo bears no burden to ensure that the Wii's software is compatible with unauthorized technical modifications. The burden is always on the person that is performing the modification to ensure that the modification is compatible with the Wii's software as well as any future updates to the Wii's software. The person performing the modification is taking a huge risk, because unless he has a crystal ball that tells him the future, then he has no way of knowing exactly how the software will be updated in the future.

What you want is for people to be able to mod without risk. This isn't going to happen. Nintendo spells it out quite clearly in its warnings: modify your Wii and you run the risk of it no longer functioning. This gives Nintendo perfect legal cover to do what it does.

[QUOTE="starwarsjunky"]

[QUOTE="dkrustyklown"]

BZZZZZZT! Wrong! The update isn't considered defective if it bricks a modded Wii's. Legally speaking, the defect isn't with the update. It's with the console modification.

Once again, I will clarify that the responsability for a modded Wii being bricked rests squre on the shoulders of the person that modded the console. They were warned that any modifications can cause the console to not work properly. There is no timeframe with this warning. So just because a modded Wii works perfectly before an update and then is bricked after one, that changes nothing. Nintendo warns every purchaser that unauthorized modificaitons may cause the console to cease functioning. Legally, this covers all of their actions.

Don't want a bricked Wii? Then don't mod it. It's that simple, and Nintendo bears no legal responsability for what happens.

You will find NO case law supporting your overly broad interpretation of product liability law.

EDIT: The thing to keep in mind is that Nintendo bears no burden to ensure that the Wii's software is compatible with unauthorized technical modifications. The burden is always on the person that is performing the modification to ensure that the modification is compatible with the Wii's software as well as any future updates to the Wii's software. The person performing the modification is taking a huge risk, because unless he has a crystal ball that tells him the future, then he has no way of knowing exactly how the software will be updated in the future.

What you want is for people to be able to mod without risk. This isn't going to happen. Nintendo spells it out quite clearly in its warnings: modify your Wii and you run the risk of it no longer functioning. This gives Nintendo perfect legal cover to do what it does.

young80s

I haven't been on my Wii since school started.

I think my Wii will be fine, because I've never even heard of the HBC and I don't have it either.

[QUOTE="Big_Evil666"]i think this thread can be closed now. on the O/T, is there a way to keep up to date with new updates to the Wii software?DOS4dinner

I agree. As for the second part (I assume you mean what the update does), yes there is a way, but GS would ban me if I posted a link. It's not that the site has illegal content or anything bad; GS just has a total ban on all homebrew discussion at the moment.

Well considering the 4.0 update did some damage to my Wii already I'm not updating anything.

It would freeze loading games and channels and I had to tons of hard resets...

Homebrew users aren't really taking much money from them either I don't see the point.