If you dont buy Madworld you will be playing shovelware for the rest of this gen

[QUOTE="snover2009"]MADWORLD IS AN ACTION GAMEAlexSays

Lionhead made a big deal about Fable II's mini-games, that didn't make Fable II a "mini-game collection." He's mislabeling the game on purpose to tick the fanboys off, It's called trolling.

[QUOTE="snover2009"]MADWORLD IS AN ACTION GAMEAlexSays

It isn't that mini-game collections are bad, it is that there are WAY TOO MANY OF THEM.

There are not enough of the more traditional games.

Out of all the videos I have see, mainly every Madworld video released to the public, I have not seen anything that even resembles a mini-game, minus Man Darts (Which looks awsome)

[QUOTE="AlexSays"][QUOTE="snover2009"]MADWORLD IS AN ACTION GAMEMaster_Hermes

Lionhead made a big deal about Fable II's mini-games, that didn't make Fable II a "mini-game collection." He's mislabeling the game on purpose to tick the fanboys off, It's called trolling.

True, it doesn't make Fable II a mini-game collection.

But Fable II is also a very deep and imersive RPG.

Also true that Action is a broad term, what I ment was that Madworld emphasized it.

Are you saying that I am mislabeling the game? If you look a the Genre on Madworld in almost all the websites it will either say Action or Action/Adventure

[QUOTE="Master_Hermes"]

[QUOTE="AlexSays"] Like every other game in existence? Action is a very broad term considering very few games in existence contain absolutely no action. And wow people are really getting defensive about the mini game thing. lol Two things.. 1. The developers made a big deal about this game having mini games. It's not supposed to be a secret so I'm not sure how Jason is shocking so many people. 2. Nobody ever said the game would be terrible. Not sure why people think mini games = bad.snover2009

Lionhead made a big deal about Fable II's mini-games, that didn't make Fable II a "mini-game collection." He's mislabeling the game on purpose to tick the fanboys off, It's called trolling.

True, it doesn't make Fable II a mini-game collection.

But Fable II is also a very deep and imersive RPG.

Also true that Action is a broad term, what I ment was that Madworld emphasized it.

Are you saying that I am mislabeling the game? If you look a the Genre on Madworld in almost all the websites it will either say Action or Action/Adventure

I was referring to the mini-game collection remark, not your's. Also, "action game" is not that broad a term. There is a clear distinction between action games and games with action in them. Saying action games is a broad term because most games have "action" in them is like saying Mario 64 is a racing game because I have to race a koopa on the first level.

He's mislabeling the game on purpose to tick the fanboys off, It's called trolling.Master_Hermes

Also, "action game" is not that broad a term. There is a clear distinction between action games and games with action in them. Saying action games is a broad term because most games have "action" in them is like saying Mario 64 is a racing game because I have to race a koopa on the first level. Master_Hermes

That is a terrible analogy. lol

Please don't do that again. :P

And yes action is a very broad term, chief. You don't even need to leave the site to learn that. Link

No More Heroes, Bomberman, and Link's Crossbow Training are all in the same genre?

That's why sites like to put action games in other categories. Because they could put more than 50% of games in the action category and instead they just throw in the reject games that don't fit anywhere else. lol

Good God some people here are antagonistic.

Anyhow, Madworld looks awesome. After playing through a bunch of RPGs, De Blob and Okami, I'm pretty stoked for some hardcore bloody actiony goodness.

Well I'm not buying Madworld. It simple isn't mys style of game.

I sure hope that, by not buying Madworld, this doesn't mean Punch Out, Musramasa, and other highly anticipated games turn out to be shovelware, as per the topic title.

Man Darts is the only mini-game that they shown, all of the other stuff going on is "swing wii-remote down to chain saw this dude in half"

snover2009

Platinum's producer, Atsushi Inaba was asked the following during an interview:

Can you give us some examples of the mini-games in Madworld? Jolt

Blood Bath Challenges must be the most impressionable ones. 2 or 3 of them are located in each stage and are unlocked when the player earns enough points. Each of the mini-games are made along the concept of "be comical and be brutal". I think players will laugh when you see 'Man Darts' in the game. In that mini-game, you have to handle human enemies as darts. Atsushi Inaba

Notice how he says "the most impressionable ones"? That means that not only do these minigames exist, but other, less impressionable ones do as well.

[QUOTE="Master_Hermes"]Also, "action game" is not that broad a term. There is a clear distinction between action games and games with action in them. Saying action games is a broad term because most games have "action" in them is like saying Mario 64 is a racing game because I have to race a koopa on the first level. AlexSays

That is a terrible analogy. lol

Please don't do that again. :P

And yes action is a very broad term, chief. You don't even need to leave the site to learn that. Link

No More Heroes, Bomberman, and Link's Crossbow Training are all in the same genre?

That's why sites like to put action games in other categories. Because they could put more than 50% of games in the action category and instead they just throw in the reject games that don't fit anywhere else. lol

Perhaps I'm wrong in what I always thought were action games. Action games for me have always been brawlers like Double Dragon, No More Heroes, and to a certain extent, God of War. Also, in the context in which I wrote it, my analogy is perfect. I see now, however, that most don't share my point of view. Even still, MadWorld is not a Mini-Game collection and performing combos for points (like you stated in one of your posts) does not make it so.

Might as well call all the missions in No More Heroes mini-gamessnover2009

Platinum's producer, Atsushi Inaba was asked the following during an interview:

Notice how he says "the most impressionable ones"? That means that not only do these minigames exist, but other, less impressionable ones do as well.

bob_newman

Those are more than just mere mini-games, so it doesn't seem like your playing one.

Might as well call all the missions in No More Heroes mini-games

[QUOTE="snover2009"]Might as well call all the missions in No More Heroes mini-gamesAlexSays

Does a Mini-game collection need to be multiplayer now? Is the original WarioWare not a Mini-Game collection anymore?

NMH forced you to play mini-games in between mission to collect money.

[QUOTE="bob_newman"][QUOTE="snover2009"]

[QUOTE="Atsushi Inaba"]

Blood Bath Challenges must be the most impressionable ones. 2 or 3 of them are located in each stage and are unlocked when the player earns enough points. Each of the mini-games are made along the concept of "be comical and be brutal". I think players will laugh when you see 'Man Darts' in the game. In that mini-game, you have to handle human enemies as darts. snover2009

Notice how he says "the most impressionable ones"? That means that not only do these minigames exist, but other, less impressionable ones do as well.

Those are more than just mere mini-games, so it doesn't seem like your playing one.

Might as well call all the missions in No More Heroes mini-games

The game is filled with minigames (at least 2 per level), so it's fair to say that the game has a collection of minigames, and thus, that Madworld is a minigame collection. Maybe not a minigame collection like the ones you're used to, but a minigame collection nonetheless.

Look, nobody is saying that minigame collections are bad (though you probably think they are, which would explain why you got so mad at Jason earlier). Every genre has the potential to have good games. I mean, nobody hates the platformer genre just because games like Ninjabread Man exist, they look at the good ones like Mario.

Sorry to say, but minigame collections can be fun if done right.

Does a Mini-game collection need to be multiplayer now? Is the original WarioWare not a Mini-Game collection anymore?Master_Hermes

thats cool that they even have it considering way to many games ommit it nowadays and this game could easily slide by without it without anybody caringSerraph105

have a hard time follwing your wording

People will care because it is one of the only games coming to Wii, I don't count all that shovelware that is release every day

last REAL game release was Mario Kart

(I don't count the age old rail shooters (i.e. House of the Dead Overkill))

[QUOTE="AlexSays"][QUOTE="snover2009"]Might as well call all the missions in No More Heroes mini-gamesMaster_Hermes

Does a Mini-game collection need to be multiplayer now? Is the original WarioWare not a Mini-Game collection anymore?

NMH forced you to play mini-games inbetween mission to collect money.

They are side jobs or as they called "Odd Jobs", not mini-games

last REAL game release was Mario Kart

snover2009

This confuses me.

You don't get new games in your region?

World at War, Wario Land, De Blob, your stores never got any of those?

They are side jobs or as they called "Odd Jobs", not mini-gamessnover2009

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]thats cool that they even have it considering way to many games ommit it nowadays and this game could easily slide by without it without anybody caringsnover2009

have a hard time follwing your wording

People will care because it is one of the only games coming to Wii, I don't count all that shovelware that is release every day

last REAL game release was Mario Kart

(I don't count the age old rail shooters (i.e. House of the Dead Overkill))

[QUOTE="snover2009"]They are side jobs or as they called "Odd Jobs", not mini-gamesAlexSays

[QUOTE="Master_Hermes"]Does a Mini-game collection need to be multiplayer now? Is the original WarioWare not a Mini-Game collection anymore?AlexSays

I agree with you there but I still don't see MadWord as a "mini-game collection." The brawling is clearly the focus of the game and the mini-games are an important but secondary edition. I love mini-games collections so my arguments here aren't about hate for the genre but there's a clear line between games like MadWorld and the likes of WarioWare and Mario Party were the mini-games play the primary and central focus.

Still, If you want to compromise we could call MadWorld a Mini-Game Action Adventure :P.

[QUOTE="snover2009"]

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]thats cool that they even have it considering way to many games ommit it nowadays and this game could easily slide by without it without anybody caringbob_newman

have a hard time follwing your wording

People will care because it is one of the only games coming to Wii, I don't count all that shovelware that is release every day

last REAL game release was Mario Kart

(I don't count the age old rail shooters (i.e. House of the Dead Overkill))

I am a Wii owner since its Launch day Nov. 19, 2006

Those games listed (Blob, Deadly Cre, Goo, etc.) are not the top notch games that I am willing to spend $50 on

Except COD WAW, but it could have been much better, only reason I bought it was online multiplayer.

No no, it's an "Odd Job". Completely different, Alex. Don't you see the difference? NMH was rated "M", so it can't have Minigames. Don't you know how video games work?bob_newman

Still, If you want to compromise we could call MadWorld a Mini-Game Action Adventure :P.Master_Hermes

[QUOTE="bob_newman"][QUOTE="snover2009"]

have a hard time follwing your wording

People will care because it is one of the only games coming to Wii, I don't count all that shovelware that is release every day

last REAL game release was Mario Kart

(I don't count the age old rail shooters (i.e. House of the Dead Overkill))

snover2009

I am a Wii owner since its Launch day Nov. 19, 2006

Those games listed (Blob, Deadly Cre, Goo, etc.) are not the top notch games that I am willing to spend $50 on

Except COD WAW, but it could have been much better, only reason I bought it was online multiplayer.

Why is this thread still going? Devil-Itachi nailed it in the first reply.clicketyclick

Because people are deciding if Madworld is:

a) A mini-game collection

b) An action and/or beat'em up

[QUOTE="clicketyclick"]Why is this thread still going? Devil-Itachi nailed it in the first reply.snover2009

Because people are deciding if Madworld is:

a) A mini-game collection

b) An action and/or beat'em up

[QUOTE="snover2009"]

[QUOTE="bob_newman"]

OOOHHHH Ok, I get it now. You don't know much about the Wii, that's what this is about. You think only shovelware is released on the platform, completely ignoring games like de Blob, Deadly Creatures, World of Goo, Shaun White, Call of Duty: WaW, Smackdown Vs. Raw, Guitar Hero/Rock Band, Boom Blox, Blast Works, and many others. Ok, this makes sense now. Thanks for clearing that up.

bob_newman

I am a Wii owner since its Launch day Nov. 19, 2006

Those games listed (Blob, Deadly Cre, Goo, etc.) are not the top notch games that I am willing to spend $50 on

Except COD WAW, but it could have been much better, only reason I bought it was online multiplayer.

How do you know that those games not "top notch"?

Because, if they where top notch I would have bought them, played them through more than once, and would be defending them on a forum.

Also, if a large number of people say that they are mediocure, they probably are.

[QUOTE="snover2009"]

[QUOTE="clicketyclick"]

Why is this thread still going? Devil-Itachi nailed it in the first reply.

clicketyclick

Because people are deciding if Madworld is:

a) A mini-game collection

b) An action and/or beat'em up

Ummm... It's a beat em up with minigame diversions. You know, like SM64 DS was a platformer with minigame collection. The minigames are extras, added content. To say it's just a minigame collection is misleading, as is pretending that it doesn't contain any minigames. Ok, now that that's settled can we all just agree with Devil-Itachi and go back to ripping each other apart over Dead Space?

Dead Space?

Oh, you mean the game that EA is bringing to Wii.

Yeah, how instead of giving us the version form the other consoles and PC (WHICH WE WANT) they will be giving us a lame rail shooter (WHICH WE DON'T WANT)

Sure, lets have at it.

[QUOTE="bob_newman"]

[QUOTE="snover2009"]

I am a Wii owner since its Launch day Nov. 19, 2006

Those games listed (Blob, Deadly Cre, Goo, etc.) are not the top notch games that I am willing to spend $50 on

Except COD WAW, but it could have been much better, only reason I bought it was online multiplayer.

snover2009

How do you know that those games not "top notch"?

Because, if they where top notch I would have bought them, played them through more than once, and would be defending them on a forum.

Also, if a large number of people say that they are mediocure, they probably are.

Those games listed (Blob, Deadly Cre, Goo, etc.) are not the top notch games that I am willing to spend $50 on ... Because, if they where top notch I would have bought them, played them through more than once, and would be defending them on a forum.

Also, if a large number of people say that they are mediocure, they probably are.

snover2009

Wait a tick, that's circular!

snov: They ain't top notch so I won't buy them.

bob: how do you know they aren't?

snov: because I won't buy them.

bob: why won't you buy them?

snov: because they aren't top notch.

bob: how do you know?

snov: because I won't buy them.

Rinse and repeat.

Btw, the games he mentioned are actually not considered mediocre by most people. For example, de Blob has an 82% average and World of Goo is the 3rd-best rated Wii game in existence with a 94% average.

[QUOTE="snover2009"]Those games listed (Blob, Deadly Cre, Goo, etc.) are not the top notch games that I am willing to spend $50 on ... Because, if they where top notch I would have bought them, played them through more than once, and would be defending them on a forum.

Also, if a large number of people say that they are mediocure, they probably are.

clicketyclick

Wait a tick, that's circular!

snov: They ain't top notch so I won't buy them.

bob: how do you know they aren't?

snov: because I won't buy them.

bob: why won't you buy them?

snov: because they aren't top notch.

bob: how do you know?

snov: because I won't buy them.

Rinse and repeat.

Btw, the games he mentioned are actually not considered mediocre by most people. For example, de Blob has an 82% average and World of Goo is the 3rd-best rated Wii game in existence with a 94% average.

Yeah, I know he probably won't admit that he's never played the games (let alone looked into them), and therefor has no idea if the games are top notch or not, but it was worth a shot. At least everyone can see the error of his ways.bob_newman

I'm pretty sure he can too. I mean, his first post in this thread was to say that review scores for MW don't matter and the only reason Deadly Creatures scored low was because it was too short. Yet now Deadly Creatures is mediocre and review scores matter? He's gotta be aware of the circularity and contradictory quality of what he's saying. He's nothing at all like the blissfully ignorant trolls this forum sometimes attracts.

I think he was just trying to defend MW from perceived attack, and so many people are on the attack lately, I can sympathise with the feeling. But snover, really, there is no point to showing whether or not the game can be considered a minigame collection or not. These terms are just words - only useful insofar as people just like to categorise things. Doesn't actually mean anything or say anything about the thing being categorised.

[QUOTE="bob_newman"] Yeah, I know he probably won't admit that he's never played the games (let alone looked into them), and therefor has no idea if the games are top notch or not, but it was worth a shot. At least everyone can see the error of his ways.clicketyclick

I'm pretty sure he can too. I mean, his first post in this thread was to say that review scores for MW don't matter and the only reason Deadly Creatures scored low was because it was too short. Yet now Deadly Creatures is mediocre and review scores matter? He's gotta be aware of the circularity and contradictory quality of what he's saying. He's nothing at all like the blissfully ignorant trolls this forum sometimes attracts.

I think he was just trying to defend MW from perceived attack, and so many people are on the attack lately, I can sympathise with the feeling. But snover, really, there is no point to showing whether or not the game can be considered a minigame collection or not. These terms are just words - only useful insofar as people just like to categorise things. Doesn't actually mean anything or say anything about the thing being categorised.

OK, you got me.

I am actually interested in Madworld, because it is very similar to a game I loved (NMH) so I know I will most likely enjoy it too regardless of what others say.

I said that those other games where mediocure mainly because they don't have much depth to them.

i.e. de Blob all you do is paint buildings, Deadly creatures all you do is kill insects and rodents etc.

[QUOTE="clicketyclick"]

[QUOTE="bob_newman"] Yeah, I know he probably won't admit that he's never played the games (let alone looked into them), and therefor has no idea if the games are top notch or not, but it was worth a shot. At least everyone can see the error of his ways.snover2009

I'm pretty sure he can too. I mean, his first post in this thread was to say that review scores for MW don't matter and the only reason Deadly Creatures scored low was because it was too short. Yet now Deadly Creatures is mediocre and review scores matter? He's gotta be aware of the circularity and contradictory quality of what he's saying. He's nothing at all like the blissfully ignorant trolls this forum sometimes attracts.

I think he was just trying to defend MW from perceived attack, and so many people are on the attack lately, I can sympathise with the feeling. But snover, really, there is no point to showing whether or not the game can be considered a minigame collection or not. These terms are just words - only useful insofar as people just like to categorise things. Doesn't actually mean anything or say anything about the thing being categorised.

OK, you got me.

I am actually interested in Madworld, because it is very similar to a game I loved (NMH) so I know I will most likely enjoy it too regardless of what others say.

I said that those other games where mediocure mainly because they don't have much depth to them.

i.e. de Blob all you do is paint buildings, Deadly creatures all you do is kill insects and rodents etc.

OK, you got me.

I am actually interested in Madworld, because it is very similar to a game I loved (NMH) so I know I will most likely enjoy it too regardless of what others say.

I said that those other games where mediocure mainly because they don't have much depth to them.

i.e. de Blob all you do is paint buildings, Deadly creatures all you do is kill insects and rodents etc.

snover2009

Alright Wii fans, here's your chance. All eyes are on Madworld and if its sales tank so will your chances of getting decent support this gen.

There... I said it.

Ya but all you do in NMH and MW is kill people! :P As far as NMH goes, I mean, it's got the thinnest motivating plot ever: uh... you bought a beam katana, so you may as well get your money's worth and you're broke so you need the money. But that game was soooo freakin amazing. And I think from my avatar you can tell which side of the MW debate I come down on. In a thread a while ago, I said the exact same thing as you: don't care what it scores, cuz I'm getting it regardless. I can understand if de Blob and World of Goo are not really your thing - they involve puzzling rather than killing - but they are not mediocre puzzle games. WoG especially is pretty much the cream of the crop as far as puzzle games go. Unless you just hate puzzle games as a general principle, you owe it to yourself to at least try the demo of WoG!clicketyclick

I don't mind solving puzzles, but I prefer substance.

RE4 in my opinion is the best game I ever played, and that game had some puzzle elements in it.

I guess i've grown older now and thus desire more mature games like this.

I will still play Nintendo's flagship titles, because I know that they will be of high quality.

But for now, we just need to get a peak at the next Metroid (I hope it doesn't go back to 2D because Metroid FPS is awsome)

[QUOTE="clicketyclick"] Ya but all you do in NMH and MW is kill people! :P As far as NMH goes, I mean, it's got the thinnest motivating plot ever: uh... you bought a beam katana, so you may as well get your money's worth and you're broke so you need the money. But that game was soooo freakin amazing. And I think from my avatar you can tell which side of the MW debate I come down on. In a thread a while ago, I said the exact same thing as you: don't care what it scores, cuz I'm getting it regardless. I can understand if de Blob and World of Goo are not really your thing - they involve puzzling rather than killing - but they are not mediocre puzzle games. WoG especially is pretty much the cream of the crop as far as puzzle games go. Unless you just hate puzzle games as a general principle, you owe it to yourself to at least try the demo of WoG!snover2009

I don't mind solving puzzles, but I prefer substance.

RE4 in my opinion is the best game I ever played, and that game had some puzzle elements in it.

I guess i've grown older now and thus desire more mature games like this.

I will still play Nintendo's flagship titles, because I know that they will be of high quality.

But for now, we just need to get a peak at the next Metroid (I hope it doesn't go back to 2D because Metroid FPS is awsome)

[QUOTE="clicketyclick"] Ya but all you do in NMH and MW is kill people! :P As far as NMH goes, I mean, it's got the thinnest motivating plot ever: uh... you bought a beam katana, so you may as well get your money's worth and you're broke so you need the money. But that game was soooo freakin amazing. And I think from my avatar you can tell which side of the MW debate I come down on. In a thread a while ago, I said the exact same thing as you: don't care what it scores, cuz I'm getting it regardless. I can understand if de Blob and World of Goo are not really your thing - they involve puzzling rather than killing - but they are not mediocre puzzle games. WoG especially is pretty much the cream of the crop as far as puzzle games go. Unless you just hate puzzle games as a general principle, you owe it to yourself to at least try the demo of WoG!snover2009

I don't mind solving puzzles, but I prefer substance.

RE4 in my opinion is the best game I ever played, and that game had some puzzle elements in it.

I guess i've grown older now and thus desire more mature games like this.

I will still play Nintendo's flagship titles, because I know that they will be of high quality.

But for now, we just need to get a peak at the next Metroid (I hope it doesn't go back to 2D because Metroid FPS is awsome)

Weird. You say you've grown older now, but I'm 23 and enjoy games like de Blob. So, what does that mean? Are you saying that I haven't grown older? Because I'm pretty sure I'm older than I used to be. This has nothing to do with how old you are, or how "mature" you think you are. Bloody, violent games are just as childish as non-violent games. Why? Maybe because they're GAMES. Games are things that children play. So your argument falls apart there. And why do some people think that Mature-rated games automatically make the player mature, or that because they think they're "mature" people, that all of a sudden games like de Blob are not appealing and only M-rated games are worth the money? There are 12 year-olds on XBL playing Gears of War. Would you say that those preteens are mature? I wouldn't. And then there's your argument where you say "I prefer substance". Sorry to tell you, but Madworld will not have a lot of substance. It's a traditional beat-em-up, and everyone knows that there is little depth in a beat-em-up. It's a button-masher (or, in this case, a waggle-fest). I can guarantee you that World of Goo has more substance for your money than Madworld will. Now, if by "substance" you mean "blood", then yes, it has plenty of substance. PS, do you mind telling us your age? I'm just curious.bob_newman

The only reason my argument fails is because you are slightly older then me (22) but will turn 23 in April.

I guess my experinece with RE4 is what got me into the M rated games.

The "substance" I am refering to is that there apears to be many ways to kill your opponents, so you don't watch the same execution over and over again in the same level. Substance also refers to many and varied levels, although I am still unsure of how many levels there are.

Wow, you guys get side tracked much? Just to refresh everyone's memory:

Alright Wii fans, here's your chance. All eyes are on Madworld and if its sales tank so will your chances of getting decent support this gen.

There... I said it.

TheNextOrder

This is the topic. But I'm glad everyone has invented new genres and defined what it means to be mature on the way. Are any of the other system's boards as divided as the Wii boards? I bet not...

Oh, and I disagree with you TheNextOrder. I'd really like to see even the faintest possibility of truth behind this statement other than your super logic skills.