Madworld IGN Review!

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

I'll wait till an actual reviewer puts one up

DJSAV_101

Same here. I don't trust any of Matt C.'s reviews.

Eurogamer Review -> http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/madworld-review

[spoiler] 7/10 [/spoiler]

There is a review up on IGN UK too by a different guy i believe and its fairly well written and to the point as well. Plus they gave it a 8.9. Generally I think this game will settle at around an 8.7ish range which is fair given its crude humor and extreme violence. The problems are fairly consistent in the reviews which are the camera work and lock on problems and that the game could have used something to sprouce up its replay value.

yay!!!! :D

I'll wait till an actual reviewer puts one up

Jaysonguy

Real reviewer, Matt C is the best there is.

You just want to wait until it scores 8.9 so you can say that it sucks.

[QUOTE="DJSAV_101"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

I'll wait till an actual reviewer puts one up

Head_of_games

Same here. I don't trust any of Matt C.'s reviews.

The reviewer

I don't trust a thing he says consider how much he lies

[QUOTE="Head_of_games"][QUOTE="DJSAV_101"]

Same here. I don't trust any of Matt C.'s reviews.

Jaysonguy

The reviewer

I don't trust a thing he says consider how much he lies

Name one part in that review in which he lied.

Why would he lie in the first place, he doesn't make more money based on good reviews.

Never the less, I will be picking it up tomarrow morning and playing til noon.

[QUOTE="Head_of_games"][QUOTE="DJSAV_101"]

Same here. I don't trust any of Matt C.'s reviews.

Jaysonguy

The reviewer

I don't trust a thing he says consider how much he lies

Eurogamer Review -> http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/madworld-reviewdaniel_br

Gamers who have been clamouring for adult content for Nintendo's Wii are to be sorely disappointed. MadWorld is as juvenile a videogame as Barbie's Horse Adventures. Of course, juvenile doesn't necessarily mean that it's in any way suitable for children. Quite the opposite, in fact. After all, Barbie never got to dip her pony into a flaming oil drum before ramming it onto a spiked wall. Eyes first. Repeatedly.Eurogamer

Other than that, I see a lot of the same things that Matt brings up, minus the gushing praise. It still sounds like a solid game with its share of faults.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="Head_of_games"] Oh come on, what is so bad about this review?Head_of_games

The reviewer

I don't trust a thing he says consider how much he lies

I'll say one of the most popular lies

2 words

Kid Icarus

As for the review I don't know where the review is wrong or even if it is. I just don't trust a thing he says or types and if I had a machine capable, thinks.

[QUOTE="daniel_br"]Eurogamer Review -> http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/madworld-reviewJordanElek

Gamers who have been clamouring for adult content for Nintendo's Wii are to be sorely disappointed. MadWorld is as juvenile a videogame as Barbie's Horse Adventures. Of course, juvenile doesn't necessarily mean that it's in any way suitable for children. Quite the opposite, in fact. After all, Barbie never got to dip her pony into a flaming oil drum before ramming it onto a spiked wall. Eyes first. Repeatedly.Eurogamer

Other than that, I see a lot of the same things that Matt brings up, minus the gushing praise. It still sounds like a solid game with its share of faults.

Have I mentioned lately how much I love you?

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="Mike1978Smith"] So in other words you were just blowing smoke. Gotcha.

Mike1978Smith

No, not blowing smoke

Matt Cassaheyjustwaitkidicarusfans is the worst reviewer right now

So that stump right there is three times the reviewer he is

That's right, he's not even worth one third of a stump

If you are meaning to say there AREN'T any good reviewers then simply say so. Although I would consider your steak comment rather silly, as you don't believe there is one. It would be like saying "Although I've never tasted it, I prefer steak." :P

[QUOTE="Head_of_games"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

The reviewer

I don't trust a thing he says consider how much he lies

Jaysonguy

I'll say one of the most popular lies

2 words

Kid Icarus

As for the review I don't know where the review is wrong or even if it is. I just don't trust a thing he says or types and if I had a machine capable, thinks.

So, he says that Kid Icarus MAY come out at some point and it not happening is no reason to believe that he is a lyer.

The only reason you don't like him is probably his review of Sonic Black Knight.

If a game plays decently, why would he say that it plays like crap? If a game is bad, why would he say that it is good?

Your logic is seriously flawed.

Now if you excuse me, i'll play WAW for the next hour, maybe.

Makes you wonder if these bigger companies bribe the bigger gaming review sites??? It wouldn't surprise me

The only reason you don't like him is probably his review of Sonic Black Knight.snover2009

[QUOTE="daniel_br"]Eurogamer Review -> http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/madworld-reviewJordanElek

Gamers who have been clamouring for adult content for Nintendo's Wii are to be sorely disappointed. MadWorld is as juvenile a videogame as Barbie's Horse Adventures. Of course, juvenile doesn't necessarily mean that it's in any way suitable for children. Quite the opposite, in fact. After all, Barbie never got to dip her pony into a flaming oil drum before ramming it onto a spiked wall. Eyes first. Repeatedly.Eurogamer

Other than that, I see a lot of the same things that Matt brings up, minus the gushing praise. It still sounds like a solid game with its share of faults.

Honestly what would people consider a "mature" game? There are VERY few games out there that I would consider "mature", probably the only title I can think of in that category right now is Metal Gear Solid 4. I can't think of any other games for the next gen consoles that I would consider "mature". Yes this is something about madworld that has been getting attention and yes it is silly because it's about as immature a title as you can get really. I don't care if a video game is "mature" it's a video game I just care on if it is fun to play and entertaining.

So, he says that Kid Icarus MAY come out at some point and it not happening is no reason to believe that he is a lyer.

The only reason you don't like him is probably his review of Sonic Black Knight.

If a game plays decently, why would he say that it plays like crap? If a game is bad, why would he say that it is good?

Your logic is seriously flawed.

Now if you excuse me, i'll play WAW for the next hour, maybe.

snover2009

I don't make it a habit of keeping tabs on his reviews, but in his review of Sonic and the Black Knight the majority of his complaints were claims that were provably false and were in all likelihood the result of playing the game for only three or four hours, deciding that it sucked and that he didn't want to play any more, and then writing the review based on that. Do I know that this review has similar issues? No. But he's already proven that he has no compunction whatsoever against flying by the seat of his pants and reviewing basically based on his best guess of how the game might be rather than, you know, actually seriously playing it. Precisely what assurance do I have that he hasn't done the same thing here, only in reverse (playing it for a short while, concluding it's awesome, and then writing the review without reallycritically evaluatingthat first impression)?

Honestly what would people consider a "mature" game? There are VERY few games out there that I would consider "mature", probably the only title I can think of in that category right now is Metal Gear Solid 4. I can't think of any other games for the next gen consoles that I would consider "mature". Yes this is something about madworld that has been getting attention and yes it is silly because it's about as immature a title as you can get really. I don't care if a video game is "mature" it's a video game I just care on if it is fun to play and entertaining.

flarebrass13

Nowhere was it said that immaturity was a bad thing. Only that adding blood and gore to a game doesn't make it mature, which is a far more common suggestion than I'd like to admit.

[QUOTE="snover2009"]

So, he says that Kid Icarus MAY come out at some point and it not happening is no reason to believe that he is a lyer.

The only reason you don't like him is probably his review of Sonic Black Knight.

If a game plays decently, why would he say that it plays like crap? If a game is bad, why would he say that it is good?

Your logic is seriously flawed.

Now if you excuse me, i'll play WAW for the next hour, maybe.

GabuEx

I don't make it a habit of keeping tabs on his reviews, but in his review of Sonic and the Black Knight the majority of his complaints were claims that were provably false and were in all likelihood the result of playing the game for only three or four hours, deciding that it sucked and that he didn't want to play any more, and then writing the review based on that. Do I know that this review has similar issues? No. But he's already proven that he has no compunction whatsoever against flying by the seat of his pants and reviewing basically based on his best guess of how the game might be rather than, you know, actually seriously playing it. Precisely what assurance do I have that he hasn't done the same thing here, only in reverse (playing it for a short while, concluding it's awesome, and then writing the review without reallycritically evaluatingthat first impression)?

If you play a game and the gameplay sucks, what makes you think it will be better after 4 hours.

If you play a game and the gameplay sucks, what makes you think it will be better after 4 hours.snover2009

[QUOTE="sonic_spark"]

Matt C. really is the best they come.

Jaysonguy

Some people like scapple over steak

I'm glad you like Matt Cassamawhatdoyouknowthatthisthingplaysgamecubegames, I'll wait until steak does a review

If you play a game and the gameplay sucks, what makes you think it will be better after 4 hours.snover2009

If you play a game and the gameplay sucks, what makes you think it will be better after 4 hours.

snover2009

The entire job of a revieweris to play the game - the entire game - and then write your review such that it is an appropriate and accurate retelling of the experience in playing the game at large. If you aren't enjoying a game, that does not mean that you, as a professional reviewer, get to stop playing it after only a few hours and call it a day. If a movie critic left the theater after only watching a half hour of a movie that he or she was not enjoying and then wrote a review riddled with false claims that consequently turned people away from seeing it, he or she would be fired on the spot once this came to light, no question. Yet people seem to feel as though game reviewers for some reason ought to get a free pass, and as if it's no big deal for a review's score to be based on blatantly false pretenses.

The fact of the matter is that Matt C. basically did not play the game and then he reviewed it as if he did. That means he was lying through his teeth the entire time, and I can't imagine how he couldn't have known it. I have already received at least a half-dozen or so comments in response to that video I put up that were along the lines of, "oh, wow, this actually looks pretty fun". If some idiot can put together a five-minute video that convinces people that a review's claims were false, that review has problems, to put it nicely.

Perhaps his review of MadWorld is entirely 100% factual and is the most accurate review you could possibly get on the game. I don't know, because to know I'd have to play the game myself. But what I do know is that after Matt's review of Black Knight, I no longer have any ability to trust that he has played the game fully and that his review is based onan honestevaluation of the entire gamerather than on what he sees as his preconceivedimpression beingproven correctafter only a few hours of gameplay.

[QUOTE="funsohng"]alright, time to pre-order it going to my eb games right nowJaysonguy

Why not go to a real store?

You have to accept the fact that reviews are based on opinion. Not everyone likes every type of game. Going from the video that you made in response I don't think and I would have enjoyed the game very much either I won't get into all the details as to why. They did say it had good graphics and decent sound and that part looked true and I'll give you the thing about fighting was wrong. But you're also a sonic fan and are therefore biased as well, probably without even realizing it.

Keeping this discussion about madworld his review was fairly decent and did talk about the flaws of the game. NP gave it a 9 and so did IGN so you can't say they're praising it as the second coming. But look at what has been released so far this year on the Wii, not that many quality titles eh? So it's kinda natural to get excited about something that you like and had fun playing.

On a different note everyone seems to be preaching about other reviews so I'm wondering what reviewers are you actually talking about or are you just waiting for the average scores.

You have to accept the fact that reviews are based on opinion. Not everyone likes every type of game. Going from the video that you made in response I don't think and I would have enjoyed the game very much either I won't get into all the details as to why. They did say it had good graphics and decent sound and that part looked true and I'll give you the thing about fighting was wrong. But you're also a sonic fan and are therefore biased as well, probably without even realizing it.

flarebrass13

But that's just it. Matt did not simply say that he didn't like the game. If he had done so and explained what he didn't like, that'd be fine. This has nothing to do with the fact that he didn't like the game and gave it a 3.9, and it has everything to do with the fact that he said "there are no loop-de-loops"; he said "there are no pinball jumps"; he said "the game constantly slows to a crawl"; he said "the sword controls were unresponsive"; he said "Sonic is constantly locked in stupid swordplay". None of those claims are matters of opinion; they are provably false statements that have consequently turned many people away from the game who might otherwise have enjoyed it purely because they have been lied to by someone whose job is to tell them the truth about a game they're interested in.

And I know that people have been turned away because of these false claims because I have seen people posting responses to my video expressing surprise at how enjoyable the game lookedin the videowhen compared to Matt's description of it. The bottom line is that Matt's entire job is one of giving truthful information to people who trust him to provide an accurate look at the games he reviews, and he has utterly broken that trust and thus failed as a game reviewer.

[QUOTE="snover2009"]

If you play a game and the gameplay sucks, what makes you think it will be better after 4 hours.

GabuEx

The entire job of a revieweris to play the game - the entire game - and then write your review such that it is an appropriate and accurate retelling of the experience in playing the game at large. If you aren't enjoying a game, that does not mean that you, as a professional reviewer, get to stop playing it after only a few hours and call it a day. If a movie critic left the theater after only watching a half hour of a movie that he or she was not enjoying and then wrote a review riddled with false claims that consequently turned people away from seeing it, he or she would be fired on the spot once this came to light, no question. Yet people seem to feel as though game reviewers for some reason ought to get a free pass, and as if it's no big deal for a review's score to be based on blatantly false pretenses.

The fact of the matter is that Matt C. basically did not play the game and then he reviewed it as if he did. That means he was lying through his teeth the entire time, and I can't imagine how he couldn't have known it. I have already received at least a half-dozen or so comments in response to that video I put up that were along the lines of, "oh, wow, this actually looks pretty fun". If some idiot can put together a five-minute video that convinces people that a review's claims were false, that review has problems, to put it nicely.

Perhaps his review of MadWorld is entirely 100% factual and is the most accurate review you could possibly get on the game. I don't know, because to know I'd have to play the game myself. But what I do know is that after Matt's review of Black Knight, I no longer have any ability to trust that he has played the game fully and that his review is based onan honestevaluation of the entire gamerather than on what he sees as his preconceivedimpression beingproven correctafter only a few hours of gameplay.

He definitely played enough of the game to unlock alot of the content and playable characters.

When he reviews a game, I take his word on it.

Why, all the games I played that he said were good, were great. And Vice-Versa to.

I trust him over Mark Bozon or any of the staff of Gamespot, Gametrailers, Xplay, Zero Punctuation, Screwattack, etc.....

[QUOTE="Boomarley"]

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Some people like scapple over steak

I'm glad you like Matt Cassamawhatdoyouknowthatthisthingplaysgamecubegames, I'll wait until steak does a review

Jaysonguy

Wait, where were you when the Sonic and the Black Knight review was discussed?

That wasn't even an argument lol

It's like if someone agreed that Matt Cassaheywehypedthisalotandtoldsomeliesbutit'sokIgaveitanine review was good they were already so far wrong you could never make them right

:P

Matt C's reviews are PERFECT

He definitely played enough of the game to unlock alot of the content and playable characters.

When he reviews a game, I take his word on it.

Why, all the games I played that he said were good, were great. And Vice-Versa to.

I trust him over Mark Bozon or any of the staff of Gamespot, Gametrailers, Xplay, Zero Punctuation, Screwattack, etc.....

snover2009

He definitely played enough of the game to unlock alot of the content and playable characters.

When he reviews a game, I take his word on it.

Why, all the games I played that he said were good, were great. And Vice-Versa to.

I trust him over Mark Bozon or any of the staff of Gamespot, Gametrailers, Xplay, Zero Punctuation, Screwattack, etc.....

snover2009

You unlock the extra playable characters after like three or four hours of playing the game. And it's not the end, despite his claims to the contrary; in fact, a major plot twist follows that point and that's the point where the real meat of the game begins to pick up. His claim that that was the end of the game was the biggest fuel behind my claims that he only played the game a short while and then ran to the hills under the false impression that he had completed the game.

The bottom line is that the complaints in his review were factually inaccurate. I don't know how to stress howhuge that is if you don't already understand it. His whole job is simply to tell the truth, and he failed to do so because he simply couldn't be bothered to actually play the game to which he was assigned. He has misled every single person reading his review and trusting his word, and that is quite possibly the worst thing a reviewer could ever do.

trust him over Mark Bozon or any of the staff of Gamespot, Gametrailers, Xplay, Zero Punctuation, Screwattack, etc.....

snover2009

[QUOTE="snover2009"]He definitely played enough of the game to unlock alot of the content and playable characters.

When he reviews a game, I take his word on it.

Why, all the games I played that he said were good, were great. And Vice-Versa to.

I trust him over Mark Bozon or any of the staff of Gamespot, Gametrailers, Xplay, Zero Punctuation, Screwattack, etc.....

Haziqonfire

1st. Zelda is a much better game than Sonic

2nd. TP was a 2006 game, it is now 2009, so the novelty of the motion control has dwindled, now vertical/horizontal slices are requirements

3rd. When Wii launced, TP was the first game I played, I thought the waggle was awsome back then. Now when I play it, I want to be able to swing the sword in a direction and have it mimiced on screen.

He is an excellent reviewer-- and he deserves his editor-in-chief position

[QUOTE="snover2009"] trust him over Mark Bozon or any of the staff of Gamespot, Gametrailers, Xplay, Zero Punctuation, Screwattack, etc.....

jmangafan

There is NO problem, he is just that **** good.

[QUOTE="jmangafan"]

[QUOTE="snover2009"] trust him over Mark Bozon or any of the staff of Gamespot, Gametrailers, Xplay, Zero Punctuation, Screwattack, etc.....

snover2009

There is NO problem, he is just that **** good.

[QUOTE="snover2009"]

He definitely played enough of the game to unlock alot of the content and playable characters.

When he reviews a game, I take his word on it.

Why, all the games I played that he said were good, were great. And Vice-Versa to.

I trust him over Mark Bozon or any of the staff of Gamespot, Gametrailers, Xplay, Zero Punctuation, Screwattack, etc.....

GabuEx

You unlock the extra playable characters after like three or four hours of playing the game. And it's not the end, despite his claims to the contrary; in fact, a major plot twist follows that point and that's the point where the real meat of the game begins to pick up. His claim that that was the end of the game was the biggest fuel behind my claims that he only played the game a short while and then ran to the hills under the false impression that he had completed the game.

The bottom line is that the complaints in his review were factually inaccurate. I don't know how to stress howhuge that is if you don't already understand it. His whole job is simply to tell the truth, and he failed to do so because he simply couldn't be bothered to actually play the game to which he was assigned. He has misled every single person reading his review and trusting his word, and that is quite possibly the worst thing a reviewer could ever do.

the only thing that is "factually inaccurate" is your last post.

When I do eventually play the game, and I don't like it, it will only support me.

[QUOTE="snover2009"]

[QUOTE="jmangafan"] .......... well there's your problem right there.

JordanElek

There is NO problem, he is just that **** good.

you disagree with one of his reviews, so therefore the rest of his are also wrong.....

something is wrong with your logic

you disagree with one of his reviews, so therefore the rest of his are also wrong.....something is wrong with your logicsnover2009

We're not saying that every review from now on is going to be wrong.... We're saying that we can no longer assume that every review from now on is correct. They might be, but it isn't safe to assume that.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="Boomarley"]

Wait, where were you when the Sonic and the Black Knight review was discussed?

snover2009

That wasn't even an argument lol

It's like if someone agreed that Matt Cassaheywehypedthisalotandtoldsomeliesbutit'sokIgaveitanine review was good they were already so far wrong you could never make them right

:P

Matt C's reviews are PERFECT

Are you from a land where perfect means bad?

Because he's bad at his job and if you can call him perfect you must be from somewhere I am not currently living. Somewhere that perfect means to do poorly and bad may mean wonderful.

Is it the fabeled "Oklahoma" I hear so much about?

[QUOTE="snover2009"]you disagree with one of his reviews, so therefore the rest of his are also wrong.....something is wrong with your logicJordanElek

I'd like to toss in the Kid Icarus lie 3 years running

the only thing that is "factually inaccurate" is your last post.

snover2009

...Right, I kind of get the sense that you're not here to talk, so I'll oblige. :P

[QUOTE="JordanElek"]

[QUOTE="snover2009"]you disagree with one of his reviews, so therefore the rest of his are also wrong.....something is wrong with your logicJaysonguy

I'd like to toss in the Kid Icarus lie 3 years running

you disagree with one of his reviews, so therefore the rest of his are also wrong.....

something is wrong with your logic

snover2009

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="JordanElek"] That's not what anyone is saying. His reputation is shot after only one or two wrong reviews. It's a simple concept. If your friend told you that he'd be at your house at 8:00, but he came at 9:00, would you immediately trust him the next time he promised the same thing? Of course not. Trustworthiness is an easy thing to lose and a hard thing to gain back.

Haziqonfire

I'd like to toss in the Kid Icarus lie 3 years running

It might have started in 2007 lol

Just wait Nintendo fans, we have super secret info about the title all you HARDCORE gamers have been waiting for

KID ICARUS!!!!

Agreed that he is unprofessional in his writing that is for sure and probably somewhat biased as well. Lets just wait and see come fridayish once people have actually played the game (and sadly probably beaten it too :(( ) and see if its actually worth the praise eh?

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="snover2009"]

He definitely played enough of the game to unlock alot of the content and playable characters.

When he reviews a game, I take his word on it.

Why, all the games I played that he said were good, were great. And Vice-Versa to.

I trust him over Mark Bozon or any of the staff of Gamespot, Gametrailers, Xplay, Zero Punctuation, Screwattack, etc.....

snover2009

You unlock the extra playable characters after like three or four hours of playing the game. And it's not the end, despite his claims to the contrary; in fact, a major plot twist follows that point and that's the point where the real meat of the game begins to pick up. His claim that that was the end of the game was the biggest fuel behind my claims that he only played the game a short while and then ran to the hills under the false impression that he had completed the game.

The bottom line is that the complaints in his review were factually inaccurate. I don't know how to stress howhuge that is if you don't already understand it. His whole job is simply to tell the truth, and he failed to do so because he simply couldn't be bothered to actually play the game to which he was assigned. He has misled every single person reading his review and trusting his word, and that is quite possibly the worst thing a reviewer could ever do.

the only thing that is "factually inaccurate" is your last post.

When I do eventually play the game, and I don't like it, it will only support me.

I tried to skip this one

I said to myself "Jason, just focus past this post and bring up the Kid Icarus lie" but I can't. I HAVE to bring this one up

Ok so you're going to play the game that the person you trust says you shouldn't so that means either

A. You don't trust him and need to see for yourself

or

B. You like bad games, hey I searched out Aquaman for my collection so no harm there

Then this is the part I personally love

When you play the game (for reason A or B) and you don't like it (awesome job keeping the open mind, you're the video game version of Gandhi) it will only support you.

Ok, he reviewed the game wrong so if you come to the same rash conclusion he did then you did it wrong too

You can not play that game completely and reach the same conclusion he did, do you understand that?

[QUOTE="JordanElek"]

[QUOTE="snover2009"]you disagree with one of his reviews, so therefore the rest of his are also wrong.....something is wrong with your logicJaysonguy

I'd like to toss in the Kid Icarus lie 3 years running

Just like Halo DS!

Oh wait.

Just like that one dark ga...wait...

Matt doesn't make crap up as he goes. Kid Icarus was pitched by Factor 5 to Nintendo, but ran into financial problems before any deals could be made. Both concept art and renders have been leaked. Matt was informed by Julian Eggebrecht of Factor 5's intentions before the poo hit the fan. If Matt's guilty of anything, it's telling the fanboys of existing projects before they've had a chance to get up off the ground.

At least educate yourself before you go on a tirade about subjects you're ignorant about.

This is the stuff that will get more people into the Wii.

Why are you guys bringing up that god damn sonic review in the madworld review thread. Stop **** If you want to go cry go write in the sonic IGN Review thread, Not the Madworld Thread the Sonic one. And who cares if he gave that Sonic game a 3.9 its done. thats how he feels about the game and the last i checked everyone has the freedom of speech. Very well done review of madworld though. I like Matt C and think he's a good reviewer.