Mario Kart 7: No Maka Wuhu Patch Coming - Nintendo of America

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#1 haziqonfire
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Thanks for your patience in waiting for a response during this busy time of year. We are aware that it is possible to navigate a certain part of the track in Wuhu Island in a way that allows a large part of the course to be bypassed. There are no plans to update the game to remove this shortcut as doing so would create an unfair advantage for the users of the original release of the game. Rest assured your comments have been added to our records for Mario Kart 7.Nintendo Of America

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Well, that's a reallystupid reason.

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#2 Wolfy321
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Who cares? Let the people cry.

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#3 Gamingclone
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Oh well. Atleast we know they are aware of it and we know there plans. unlike with Xenoblade where they said "we have no plans to release this as of now" or something along those lines.

Also, Nintendo of America cant really patch the game, I dont think its up to them to deside if Americans get the patch or not since if the rest of the world gets the patch, we will have to get it too.

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#4 RACiEP
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Why does everyone whine so much about this?
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#5 hydralisk86
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I don't think I ever used that method of to bypass part of the course, but isn't it just simple to learn the trick yourself and use it?

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#6 martinX3X
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Or they could just say they dont know how to patch a game.

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#7 superfalcon1234
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[QUOTE="Nintendo Of America"]Thanks for your patience in waiting for a response during this busy time of year. We are aware that it is possible to navigate a certain part of the track in Wuhu Island in a way that allows a large part of the course to be bypassed. There are no plans to update the game to remove this shortcut as doing so would create an unfair advantage for the users of the original release of the game. Rest assured your comments have been added to our records for Mario Kart 7.Haziqonfire

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Well, that's a reallystupid reason.

what i understood from this is that it is NOT A GLITCH. In fact it is a shortcut ??!!

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#8 Rod90
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[QUOTE="Nintendo Of America"]Thanks for your patience in waiting for a response during this busy time of year. We are aware that it is possible to navigate a certain part of the track in Wuhu Island in a way that allows a large part of the course to be bypassed. There are no plans to update the game to remove this shortcut as doing so would create an unfair advantage for the users of the original release of the game. Rest assured your comments have been added to our records for Mario Kart 7.Haziqonfire

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Well, that's a reallystupid reason.

Agreed.

I'm fine with Mario Kart Wii. ;)

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#9 LaytonsCat
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It just furthers my idea that put it in on purpose... and when it comes down to it, its one course out of thrity two. No big deal

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#10 yoshi_64
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Eh, this whole thing isn't THAT big an issue. Out of the races I've played, it has never been a problem yet for me. I admit to doing in Time Trials, but that doesn't hurt anyone, and frankly this "glitch" shortcut isn't stupid bad. Mario Kart 64 had one, where you skipped half of Rainbow Road, and I remember always taking advantage of that shortcut, what makes this any less acceptable? Because it's online? It's not that big.
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#11 sailor232
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I've never experienced anyone use this trick while I've raced online and Lan. I guess when I do I'll be pretty angry. It dosnt bother me too much that Nintendo will not patch it but I hope they change there tune when the WiiU comes out and patches should be implemented.

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#12 Hrothgarfunkel
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I've never experienced anyone use this trick while I've raced online and Lan. I guess when I do I'll be pretty angry. It dosnt bother me too much that Nintendo will not patch it but I hope they change there tune when the WiiU comes out and patches should be implemented.

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That's crazy, makes me think you haven't raced online against randoms very much because every group has a couple of people who pick this course exclusivley!

And, when it comes up, I'm usually the only person in the race not taking the shortcut, if I'm not the only one I'm usually only racing against one or two other people for last place!

I consider it a moral victory, because using this cheat on this track is the only way these people usually beat me, when we race other tracks they are not very good!

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#13 painguy1
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When u see ppl do that just bump them out of the way so they fail. Its funny cuz they are raging at u for the rest of the race and try to crash into u every opportunity they get. :P

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wait so they're not patching it... because the abusers already used it? that makes as much sense as saying "because i had pie for breakfast". that's just facepalm worthy. i mean i don't even have the game, but to hear nintendo say such stupidity annoys me.
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#15 Wanderer5
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Unfair advantage, the hell?

Eh I just test it out and it not the hard to pull it off so I guess just go with the flow.

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#16 Ghost120x
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I haven't played online in a month and don't plan to go back because everyone I play with picks the stage. This is worse than snaking because it's easy for anyone to pull off, at least snaking took skill. 3ds for single player, ps vita for multiplayer Nuff said.
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#17 Gamingclone
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Its basicly just a short cut. So if you find that a large amount of people are cheating (by that I mean a large number of people you are racing with picks that track, just out cheat them. Its still a race after all.

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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]wait so they're not patching it... because the abusers already used it? that makes as much sense as saying "because i had pie for breakfast". that's just facepalm worthy. i mean i don't even have the game, but to hear nintendo say such stupidity annoys me.

No, they can't patch the US version of the game because it would then give US players an unfair advantage over the rest of the world. THAT is what they meant.
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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]wait so they're not patching it... because the abusers already used it? that makes as much sense as saying "because i had pie for breakfast". that's just facepalm worthy. i mean i don't even have the game, but to hear nintendo say such stupidity annoys me.jedinat
No, they can't patch the US version of the game because it would then give US players an unfair advantage over the rest of the world. THAT is what they meant.

X ALL THE THINGS - patch in all the regions

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#21 JordanElek
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I don't think that response should be taken so literally. Yeah, it's a guy from NoA, but it's just a response to a regular customer's email from a random customer service rep (who apparently shares a name with a Republican presidential candidate that I had never heard of until I Googled his name...). It's not like Nintendo decided to issue a press release in response to all of the complaining.

Not that I think Nintendo WILL patch the game..... :?

Also, it's not a big deal. I've seen several people say that the glitch RUINS the entire game for them. I can't even comprehend why it could bother anyone that much. I played for over a half hour last night with a random group and only raced Maka Wuhu twice. And that seems to be typical in my experience. If I'm ever in a group with more than three people choosing Maka Wuhu every time, I'll just find a different group.

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[QUOTE="jedinat"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]wait so they're not patching it... because the abusers already used it? that makes as much sense as saying "because i had pie for breakfast". that's just facepalm worthy. i mean i don't even have the game, but to hear nintendo say such stupidity annoys me.

No, they can't patch the US version of the game because it would then give US players an unfair advantage over the rest of the world. THAT is what they meant.

I don't understand how blocking a shortcut would give someone an advantage... isn't the shortcut the advantage?
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#23 Rod90
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[QUOTE="Minishdriveby"][QUOTE="jedinat"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]wait so they're not patching it... because the abusers already used it? that makes as much sense as saying "because i had pie for breakfast". that's just facepalm worthy. i mean i don't even have the game, but to hear nintendo say such stupidity annoys me.

No, they can't patch the US version of the game because it would then give US players an unfair advantage over the rest of the world. THAT is what they meant.

I don't understand how blocking a shortcut would give someone an advantage... isn't the shortcut the advantage?

It's not an actual shortcut. It's a non-intended game glitch.
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[QUOTE="Minishdriveby"][QUOTE="jedinat"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]wait so they're not patching it... because the abusers already used it? that makes as much sense as saying "because i had pie for breakfast". that's just facepalm worthy. i mean i don't even have the game, but to hear nintendo say such stupidity annoys me.

No, they can't patch the US version of the game because it would then give US players an unfair advantage over the rest of the world. THAT is what they meant.

I don't understand how blocking a shortcut would give someone an advantage... isn't the shortcut the advantage?

Yeah you're right, lol. I was meaning the opposite. I can only suppose the Nintendo rep confused his wording in the same way. The source is just an individual email reply after all.
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#25 jedinat
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[QUOTE="jedinat"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]wait so they're not patching it... because the abusers already used it? that makes as much sense as saying "because i had pie for breakfast". that's just facepalm worthy. i mean i don't even have the game, but to hear nintendo say such stupidity annoys me.Rod90

No, they can't patch the US version of the game because it would then give US players an unfair advantage over the rest of the world. THAT is what they meant.

X ALL THE THINGS - patch in all the regions

That would be ideal of course... but this is a respons from Nintendo of AMERICA. Not really sure how the different regional sections or whatever of the company relate.

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Reading " for the users of the original release of the game.", seems like the person is confused. To me that makes it sounds like they are saying Ninty won't release a new version of the game instead of patching it.
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#27 jedinat
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Also, I wonder if Nintendo even has a system in place for required patching of games (to play online)... so far aren't all the patches optional and only accessible from the eshop?
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#28 JustPlainLucas
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I won't play MK7 online with strangers anymore as a result of this glitch. Yes, it IS a glitch. Don't think Nintendo put in there on purpose. It is NOT a valid shortcut. Using a mushroom on a ramp to jump a section of track is a shortcut. Nonetheless, it is discouraging to see everyone picking Maka Wuhu in the hopes that it'll get selected so they'll utilize the glitch. Nintendo's reasoning for not patching the game not only is nonsensical, it also shows how technically inept they remain to be when it comes to their online services.
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#29 ChubbyGuy40
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All he said was they aren't releasing a new version of the game with that patched out. They never said they wouldn't release a patch eventually.

I just suck it up and play if we get Maka Wuhu. If I see someone trying to go for it, I try to knock them off before :P

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#30 Rod90
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Reading " for the users of the original release of the game.", seems like the person is confused. To me that makes it sounds like they are saying Ninty won't release a new version of the game instead of patching it.ShuichiChamp24
Cause you can't actually patch a retail 3DS game.
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#31 Pixel-Perfect
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Well. That's lame. :|

I haven't experienced this myself much, but from what I hear this is bad enough to ruin some peoples' experience with the game.

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[QUOTE="Rod90"][QUOTE="Minishdriveby"][QUOTE="jedinat"] No, they can't patch the US version of the game because it would then give US players an unfair advantage over the rest of the world. THAT is what they meant.

I don't understand how blocking a shortcut would give someone an advantage... isn't the shortcut the advantage?

It's not an actual shortcut. It's a non-intended game glitch.

A glitch is something in the game that is an unexpected result out of logical errors or run-time errors. This isn't a glitch in that sense at all, in tact it's more possible this was an "intentional" situation. It may have been a slight oversight over the level designer, but he probably boxed the area that is the lake (cause you don't need a mushroom, if you jump into the lake, without hitting the rock it puts you into that "zone") to put players in the designation where players land when they do this "glitch" you call it. If the box was altered to put players back in the beginning, then players who fall near that lake while on the other side, are warped back. If they alter the box, so half the lake is the other side, and the other half is where players are, that would work, but again this probably was overseen, because the gap is covered a bit, and requires you to come in at an angle and avoid hitting the rock.
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[QUOTE="ShuichiChamp24"]Reading " for the users of the original release of the game.", seems like the person is confused. To me that makes it sounds like they are saying Ninty won't release a new version of the game instead of patching it.Rod90
Cause you can't actually patch a retail 3DS game.

Nintendo has patched some 3DS games already, through system firmware updates, and other 3DS titles have received updates already like Netflix, Pokedex 3D, and other eShop titles. So yes, it can be patched, but Nintendo's decision probably is they don't see it as a game breaking glitch. Nintendo rarely patches their games.
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[QUOTE="Rod90"][QUOTE="ShuichiChamp24"]Reading " for the users of the original release of the game.", seems like the person is confused. To me that makes it sounds like they are saying Ninty won't release a new version of the game instead of patching it.yoshi_64
Cause you can't actually patch a retail 3DS game.

Nintendo has patched some 3DS games already, through system firmware updates, and other 3DS titles have received updates already like Netflix, Pokedex 3D, and other eShop titles. So yes, it can be patched, but Nintendo's decision probably is they don't see it as a game breaking glitch. Nintendo rarely patches their games.

I was wondering about this also. An eShop title would be easy to patch as it can just edit/add to the data stores on your memory card but surely a properDS cart is locked and can't be edited?I would have thought that the system would just read what was on the cart and that's that.

What games did they patch previously? I guess they could install something on the system memory that is instructed to fire up and work with the game but I'm not sure if this is possible and would it not drain resources? Having only ever patched PC games I've no idea how it would workreally.

Perhaps a DS cart can be edited though, I guess you can play around with save data on them... Or is this stored seperately from the main data.

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The Wii could support patches so I'm sure as heck that the 3DS can do the same, but developers need to program their games with that in mind, which is something Nintendo probably didn't do with Mario Kart 7.

They have no plans to update future games to remove move this exploit, because they likey have no way to make an update mandatory for the original copies. And even if there was a patch anyone that doesn't update would still be able to use the exploit, while everyone else that updates is blocked from doing it, which would make the situation much worse than it is now. I say this because not a single game update has been mandatory so far, and I don't think a patch would be mandatory either.

So I think what they're saying here makes sense, but this comes from Nintendo of America and they don't have a final say on anything. NCL would be the one to issue that a patch be made by the original developers, and NoA would just send it out after any necessary testing and translation.

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[QUOTE="yoshi_64"][QUOTE="Rod90"] Cause you can't actually patch a retail 3DS game.bulby_g

Nintendo has patched some 3DS games already, through system firmware updates, and other 3DS titles have received updates already like Netflix, Pokedex 3D, and other eShop titles. So yes, it can be patched, but Nintendo's decision probably is they don't see it as a game breaking glitch. Nintendo rarely patches their games.

I was wondering about this also. An eShop title would be easy to patch as it can just edit/add to the data stores on your memory card but surely a properDS cart is locked and can't be edited?I would have thought that the system would just read what was on the cart and that's that.

What games did they patch previously? I guess they could install something on the system memory that is instructed to fire up and work with the game but I'm not sure if this is possible and would it not drain resources? Having only ever patched PC games I've no idea how it would workreally.

Perhaps a DS cart can be edited though, I guess you can play around with save data on them... Or is this stored seperately from the main data.

I'm betting, that any 3DS game can be patched, and it's possible even that Mario Kart 7 could definitely be patched more so. The Extra Data folder that's created, possibly can contain config files that would overwrite the game's previous files, when loaded, meaning you need the card to have the newest "update" for the game. It's also possible, that the game cards themselves could store that data locally in an internal file system somewhere on the card. Like all 3DS and DS games have data set aside for saving games, the 3DS probably could upload these updates onto it's card. Unless it's a read only card, in that case the data would have to be stored on the SD card. As for the 3DS games that were patched, it wasn't through an online update, but some Ubisoft (I think) games were displaying black screens and wouldn't play, but through a firmware update, they were fixed. I don't have the list of names on me though..
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#37 Rod90
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[QUOTE="Rod90"][QUOTE="ShuichiChamp24"]Reading " for the users of the original release of the game.", seems like the person is confused. To me that makes it sounds like they are saying Ninty won't release a new version of the game instead of patching it.yoshi_64
Cause you can't actually patch a retail 3DS game.

Nintendo has patched some 3DS games already, through system firmware updates, and other 3DS titles have received updates already like Netflix, Pokedex 3D, and other eShop titles. So yes, it can be patched, but Nintendo's decision probably is they don't see it as a game breaking glitch. Nintendo rarely patches their games.

Yeah, but I'm talking about retail 3DS card games.
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#38 LJChronx
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I have yet to do the glitch and so I usually finish 4th or 5th on the track. Its starting to get too me, especially when the track is picked over and over. I keep debating about just using the glitch or staying true to racing the way it was intended. I dont know what to do?

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#39 yoshi_64
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[QUOTE="Rod90"][QUOTE="yoshi_64"][QUOTE="Rod90"] Cause you can't actually patch a retail 3DS game.

Nintendo has patched some 3DS games already, through system firmware updates, and other 3DS titles have received updates already like Netflix, Pokedex 3D, and other eShop titles. So yes, it can be patched, but Nintendo's decision probably is they don't see it as a game breaking glitch. Nintendo rarely patches their games.

Yeah, but I'm talking about retail 3DS card games.

Considering that DLC is now available for 3DS game cards and eShop titles, I'm sure they can patch 3DS games, but Nintendo I hear can be "strict" on allowing updates. I heard that they won't do it, unless it literally is a game stopping bug and serious issue in some way. Before there were claims that some games like Street Fighte, Super Monkey Ball, and others would give you the "black screen" on your 3DS. It was a crash that seemed to happen with some games, but wasn't also widespread. The update later fixed it. Still it could also have been a system issue, but one I never experienced too.
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I recently played online and finally ran into a match where EVERYONE used the glitch in Maka Wuhu. I still finished out the course in 8th place (despite being in 1st untill I got out of the cave) and turned off the game ater the match and I haven't been online since. Most likely, I'll just play with friends/communities because I will not have someone ruin my online stats by cheating.

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They need a patch to fix all the communication errors.
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I don't think that response should be taken so literally. Yeah, it's a guy from NoA, but it's just a response to a regular customer's email from a random customer service rep (who apparently shares a name with a Republican presidential candidate that I had never heard of until I Googled his name...). It's not like Nintendo decided to issue a press release in response to all of the complaining.

Not that I think Nintendo WILL patch the game..... :?

Also, it's not a big deal. I've seen several people say that the glitch RUINS the entire game for them. I can't even comprehend why it could bother anyone that much. I played for over a half hour last night with a random group and only raced Maka Wuhu twice. And that seems to be typical in my experience. If I'm ever in a group with more than three people choosing Maka Wuhu every time, I'll just find a different group.

JordanElek

It doesn't ruin the entire game, but the instances where you come across people who keep chosing it is annoying -- though you can always just back out and join another match, it's not really a huge deal but something that would make sense to patch.

They need a patch to fix all the communication errors.bonesawisready5

A lot of times that happens if you stop moving or go backwards, it kicks you out of the match.

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#45 bbkkristian
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Hm. I wonder if the other regions are getting a patch...
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#46 lettuceman44
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Hm. I wonder if the other regions are getting a patch...bbkkristian
If they get a patch we get a patch. NoA can't just patch our region, that is what I think is being said.
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#47 ZumaJones07
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I doubt they have the tech to do such a thing. :lol:
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#48 logicalfrank
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I love it. Rather than fix the glitch, they just declared it a shortcut. Oh well, now that is offically sanctioned, I guess it is fair game. Glitch on, glitchers!

By the way, the reason they stated implies if they were to patch the game, it would only be on new 3DS cards hence it would give people who already bought the game an advantage. So... that basically means they can't do a downloadable patch? That's what I get out of it. To be honest, w/ no downloadable patches to fix glitches and exploits, there are going to be a lot of proplems down the road for multiplayer which will have no possibility of being resolved.

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#49 DJ_Lae
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That Nintendo didn't have the foresight to implement a patching system into their newest handheld is ridiculous. Especially with Mario Kart, which is basically their flagship multiplayer title. It's 2012, Nintendo, and you just released a couple of months ago a multiplayer focused game that can NEVER be patched. Holy christ is that dumb.
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#50 DJ_Lae
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So... that basically means they can't do a downloadable patch? That's what I get out of it. To be honest, w/ no downloadable patches to fix glitches and exploits, there are going to be a lot of proplems down the road for multiplayer which will have no possibility of being resolved.

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That's the biggest worry out of their little PR clip - the 3DS does not have a system in place to implement patches. And given what could be added to the Wii via system patch (not much, that thing was BUSTED in terms of how locked down it was, even for Nintendo) I'm not holding my breath. Basically, the Wii's system software had severe limitations on what could be enhanced, made worse by the fact that most of the system stuff runs off the disc. Apparently it's visible just by popping open the home menu during an old game (like Twilight Princess) versus a newer one, as the older game will not have some of the enhancements. That includes other things like the glowing disc slot, lights, etc, that function or don't function depending on what game is running. I'm hoping the 3DS has more foresight in its system architecture...but with no patches for their flagship multiplayer game, maybe not.