Mario Kart Review Discussion - keep it all here! *GS review is up!*

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

You're trying to argue the certainty of chance.

Please refresh yourself on what chance means and try to continue this conversation.

c-joel1121

No, see it's not an opinion, you're not saying an opinion.

Here's the definition of chance......

"something that happens unpredictably without discernible human intention or observable cause"

"the fortuitous or incalculable element in existence"

See that word right there "incalculable"? That means you can't calculate it. Which means you can't have MORE or LESS chance as you stated. You either have chance or you do not. Once you can say how often a certain event happens it no longer becomes chance.

Read all about what chance means HERE

[QUOTE="c-joel1121"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

You're trying to argue the certainty of chance.

Please refresh yourself on what chance means and try to continue this conversation.

Jaysonguy

No, see it's not an opinion, you're not saying an opinion.

Here's the definition of chance......

"something that happens unpredictably without discernible human intention or observable cause"

"the fortuitous or incalculable element in existence"

See that word right there "incalculable"? That means you can't calculate it. Which means you can't have MORE or LESS chance as you stated. You either have chance or you do not. Once you can say how often a certain event happens, it no longer becomes chance.

Read all about what chance means HERE

EDIT: OUCH, leaves a sting right, taste of your own medicine, LOL, joking, It was fun, LOL :o

its pretty obvious that Mario Kart series are turning out to be more and more about chance , its something I actually like about mario kart . actually its main reason why i like this game : unpredictable racing

until the very end you cannot be sure you'll be first or last

the only mario kart i missed being mario kart DS , I can't understand why some people are taking (their) skill so seriously.

why being annoyed to lose to someone worse than you? whats the point of playing with items then?

edit: however I admit that I would liked Single player difficulty to focus on both AI's item use and driving skill and speed , instead of just item use , to make the player feel like he's having a close race in 150cc or Mirror, just like playing against people around the same level online

they still dont want to give up their "rival" AI they have since SNES and the other AI chars drive crappy , I need 11 rivals not just one

its pretty obvious that Mario Kart series are turning out to be more and more about chance , its something I actually like about mario kart . actually its main reason why i like this game : unpredictable racing

until the very end you cannot be sure you'll be first or last

the only mario kart i missed being mario kart DS , I can't understand why some people are taking (their) skill so seriously.

why being annoyed to lose to someone worse than you? whats the point of playing with items then?

frozenthino

I agree with c-joel on this one. There's a certain degree to which chance can affect the outcome of something, and that degree can be changed. Even with my example of Yahtzee, if you roll four sixes on your first roll, the chances of your getting a Yahtzee are much greater than if you had rolled five different numbers on your first roll. In this case, it actually is calculable. It's called probability.

Maybe we should change the term of argument to luck. That's what we're talking about anyway, but without all the strings that are attached to the word chance.

I stand by my original statement, though. You can't go into a game like Mario Kart and expect it to rely entirely on skill, as the Gametrailers reviewer seemed to be hoping. I'd also argue that you can strategize to get the weapons (i.e. the luck) to work to your advantage. You can keep the good weapons you get at the beginning of the race and use them near the end while you're in first, for example. Or you can hang back with the pack until the very end and use whatever means you can to get to the front without leaving enough time for that barrage of weapons that people are complaining about.

It seems like the reviewer just wanted a pure racing game, and that's not what Mario Kart is. He also complains about the voices.... The voices are one of the most distinguishable and memorable parts of Mario Kart. I heard a lady in her 30s say, "I'm a Wario, I'm a gonna ween!" the other day. I asked her if she's been playing too much Mario Kart, and she said, "No, Mario Party." But you get my drift.

what a shame to lose potentially good Mario Kart players over trivial matters such as luck , but I guess you're right its all about tastefrozenthino

[QUOTE="frozenthino"]what a shame to lose potentially good Mario Kart players over trivial matters such as luck , but I guess you're right its all about tastec-joel1121

[QUOTE="c-joel1121"][QUOTE="frozenthino"]what a shame to lose potentially good Mario Kart players over trivial matters such as luck , but I guess you're right its all about tasteair_wolf_cubed

[QUOTE="air_wolf_cubed"][QUOTE="c-joel1121"][QUOTE="frozenthino"]what a shame to lose potentially good Mario Kart players over trivial matters such as luck , but I guess you're right its all about tastec-joel1121

I agree with c-joel on this one. There's a certain degree to which chance can affect the outcome of something, and that degree can be changed. Even with my example of Yahtzee, if you roll four sixes on your first roll, the chances of your getting a Yahtzee are much greater than if you had rolled five different numbers on your first roll. In this case, it actually is calculable. It's called probability.

JordanElek

No, you're mixing it up as well. (trust me this is my wheelhouse lol)

Here's a quote about games of chance and how they compare to the lottery and your Yahtzee reference......

"In some games of chance, of course, systems do work. Card counting in blackjack, for instance. That's because every card played in blackjack is a card that can't be played again. If you keep track of which cards are left, your ability to bet shrewdly improves. In the typical card-counting system you count the 10-point cards (10, jack, queen, king) and bet more heavily when an unusually large number of them remain in a dwindling deck, since they mean trouble for the dealer.

Not so in lotteries, where the game begins afresh with every drawing. If the numbers are drawn at random--a big if, as we shall see--all the number combinations are equally probable. Occasionally you may notice what seem to be suspicious patterns among the winning numbers, but these mean nothing. One of the hallmarks of random numbers is that pseudopatterns occasionally arise--the million-monkeys-with-a-million-typewriters syndrome in action."

Now the Yahtzee part starts new each time like the lottery. If you're looking to roll a 6 and you've rolled every single possible combination besides a 6 and no numbers repeat then yes, the next number you roll will be a six. Since you start over each time you could roll to infinity and have no better chance of getting that number after each roll.

Onto Mario Kart.......

The way Mario Kart is programmed it that it has a counter that randomly selects the chance occurance from happening. The only thing here is that it does not work like the casino method above either. Each user doesn't have a set number of chances in the game, it all depends how you collect the power ups and use them in the game so there is no set number to multiply the chances.

This technique is used from everything to video games to real life casinos when the stakes are high as read here......

"Today, high-limit blackjack tables are ready for the card counter with "continuous shuffle machines." After every hand the cards are immediately returned to the shuffle; each new hand is effectively dealt from a new deck, making counting useless. Lower-limit tables typically aren't worth such expensive countermeasures, especially when many would-be card counters have no idea what they're doing. Undoubtedly among those reading this report will be one or two who think, "That doesn't sound so hard – I can do that!" Casinos welcome the wishful-thinking, inexperienced card counter as a reliable profit maker."

So yeah, there's that......

:P

Knowledge is power!

More knowledge is even MORE power!

No, you're mixing it up as well.

Now the Yahtzee part starts new each time like the lottery.Jaysonguy

You missed my scenario. Just to be clear, you get three rolls in Yahtzee and only re-roll whichever die or dice you choose. If you roll four sixes on your first roll, you get two more chances to roll a six on a single die. But if you roll five different numbers on your first roll, then you get two more chances to roll the same number on four dice. Your chances of getting a Yahtzee are much better in the first scenario. I could calculate the probability, but that bears no signficance on the discussion, and neither does this whole paragraph. Moving on....

Onto Mario Kart.......

The way Mario Kart is programmed it that it has a counter that randomly selects the chance occurance from happening.

Jaysonguy

I wasn't directly comparing the system in Mario Kart to the system in Yahtzee. I'm just saying that they're similar simply because they both involve a certain degree of "luck." That's it. I wasn't making a deep analogy there. ;)

Ohhhhhh

I thought you were going deep lol

Ohhhhhh

I thought you were going deep lol

Jaysonguy

REVIEW JUST IN!

8.5 here on gamespot!

8.5 here on gamespot!SMR-Venom

And not a word from Lark about how the game puts too much emphasis on chance, though he does mention that the "big" items pop up too often.

At least Lark knows what this game is all about.

Nice job on the new review.

On another note....

I was actually relatively satisfied with Brawl's Wi-fi, save for a few complaints about With Anyone and sending pictures/replays/stages.

Even so, MK Wii looks like it'll grind it into the dust. I think this quote from the IGN review shows it perfectly:

Where Smash Bros. was a huge letdown for many online players, but a must-play locally, Mario Kart Wii's online far surpasses the offline experience, and there's more reasons why then we'd care to list.

The ony things I worry about are how well people with similar "scores" are paired up on Wi-fi, as well as the harder 150 cc. (Looks like I'll still wont be able to unlock all the characters... :cry: )

Amen, Gamestop writers have a dictionary and know about the franchise past this game.

All in all this seems like one of the best releases in the franchise's history, this is a launch day buy for me.

REVIEW JUST IN!

8.5 here on gamespot!

SMR-Venom

My prediction on the game's score is correct. I was surprised to learn that "snaking" can be performed in this game (I thought Nintendo eliminated it), but fortunately for those of us who want to play fair, it is useless.

It is interesting that Lark Anderson who reviewed Mario Kart Wii, also reviewed Super Smash Bros. Brawl last month. It is a shame that he did spoil some information.

I will get this game on Sunday.

Amen, Gamestop writers have a dictionary and know about the franchise past this game.

All in all this seems like one of the best releases in the franchise's history, this is a launch day buy for me.

Jaysonguy

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Amen, Gamestop writers have a dictionary and know about the franchise past this game.

All in all this seems like one of the best releases in the franchise's history, this is a launch day buy for me.

air_wolf_cubed

somebody hit me plzz

Ok is it just me or, well ok here it goes.

So i just watched the gamespot video review, and how he described it, did not seem like the coolest game ever. Gamespot only gave it an 8.5 and nintendo power gave it a 9. So is it just me, or are you guys feeling more and more unatrracted to this game?

somebody hit me plzz

Ok is it just me or, well ok here it goes.

So i just watched the gamespot video review, and how he described it, did not seem like the coolest game ever. Gamespot only gave it an 8.5 and nintendo power gave it a 9. So is it just me, or are you guys feeling more and more unatrracted to this game?

General_Diablo

somebody hit me plzz

Ok is it just me or, well ok here it goes.

So i just watched the gamespot video review, and how he described it, did not seem like the coolest game ever. Gamespot only gave it an 8.5 and nintendo power gave it a 9. So is it just me, or are you guys feeling more and more unatrracted to this game?

General_Diablo

You're right, it only scored 8.5.. its a horrible horrible game that doesn't deserve tio sell anything, let along the million or so its already sold.

somebody hit me plzz

Ok is it just me or, well ok here it goes.

So i just watched the gamespot video review, and how he described it, did not seem like the coolest game ever. Gamespot only gave it an 8.5 and nintendo power gave it a 9. So is it just me, or are you guys feeling more and more unatrracted to this game?

General_Diablo

The Gamespot editorial guys seem to absolutely love this game, so I don't see it scoring below an 8.0. I wouldn't be surprised to see a 9.0, in all honesty, though I think that's the absolute highest it could get. From what I understand, it's just a really fun, quality game with only a few issues that might detract from the fun. This kind of game usually scores pretty high at GS.JordanElek

This is true. We play Mario Kart DS every single day at 2:30, 10 races most of the week, 15 races on Fridays. The amount of codewords we've invented for every possible situation in that game is astounding.

[QUOTE="JordanElek"]The Gamespot editorial guys seem to absolutely love this game, so I don't see it scoring below an 8.0. I wouldn't be surprised to see a 9.0, in all honesty, though I think that's the absolute highest it could get. From what I understand, it's just a really fun, quality game with only a few issues that might detract from the fun. This kind of game usually scores pretty high at GS.shaunmc

This is true. We play Mario Kart DS every single day at 2:30, 10 races most of the week, 15 races on Fridays. The amount of codewords we've invented for every possible situation in that game is astounding.

Its good to know Gamespot still has some quality guys around :)

The voices are one of the most distinguishable and memorable parts of Mario Kart. I heard a lady in her 30s say, "I'm a Wario, I'm a gonna ween!" the other day. I asked her if she's been playing too much Mario Kart, and she said, "No, Mario Party." But you get my drift.
JordanElek

I'm happy with an 8.5. It's a great game. Not amazing, but great.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Amen, Gamestop writers have a dictionary and know about the franchise past this game.

All in all this seems like one of the best releases in the franchise's history, this is a launch day buy for me.

air_wolf_cubed

You are correct sir

im shocked it scored so well, gamespot usually hates nintendoking-kill33

What exactly is snaking?gregbmil

im shocked it scored so well, gamespot usually hates nintendoking-kill33

So i just watched the gamespot video review, and how he described it, did not seem like the coolest game ever.General_Diablo

Well, the coolest game ever is only gonna come around every once in awhile, and I don't think anyone expected Mario Kart Wii to take that spot, so.... You can have a lot of fun with plenty of games that aren't the coolest ever.

We play Mario Kart DS every single day at 2:30, 10 races most of the week, 15 races on Fridays. The amount of codewords we've invented for every possible situation in that game is astounding.shaunmc

I'm looking forward to a Mario Kart Wii game night.... The whole office should show up, even you, Shaun. :evil:

Are we going to have a seperate thread for US friend codes or is it going to be in that same EU one?
Haziqonfire

Wolf's plan was to have it in the same thread but as a separate list. I'll contact him about it, because I think it'd be easier for everyone if it were a different thread.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]Are we going to have a seperate thread for US friend codes or is it going to be in that same EU one?
JordanElek

Wolf's plan was to have it in the same thread but as a separate list. I'll contact him about it, because I think it'd be easier for everyone if it were a different thread.

I agree

That's not me offering I'm just saying I agree lol

On second thought, I really like his setup in the current thread. I'll just leave it up to him.

Edit: :lol: We agreed there for like a minute, Jason. I swear I didn't see your response before changing my mind. ;)