Miyamoto Spills Beans On That New Save System We Saw A While Ago

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For the people who can't play games have the games play themselves

I was expecting to see miyamoto literally spill beans.

It's a fantastic idea. I loved it when I read the patent. I love it now.clicketyclick

I approve this statement 100%.

For the people who can't play games have the games play themselves

Jaysonguy

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

For the people who can't play games have the games play themselves

xchurchillx

You understand that's what this does right?

If your grandmother doesn't know how to play a game this game will play itself so she can see how it's supposed to be done

Also on second run throughs, you can skip the boring parts.Saxsoon

[QUOTE="xchurchillx"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

For the people who can't play games have the games play themselves

You understand that's what this does right?

If your grandmother doesn't know how to play a game this game will play itself so she can see how it's supposed to be done

You understand that's what this does right?

If your grandmother doesn't know how to play a game this game will play itself so she can see how it's supposed to be done

Jaysonguy

[QUOTE="Saxsoon"]Also on second run throughs, you can skip the boring parts.AlexSays

Dammit...I should have patented this technology first.

I skipped past the boring parts of Twilight Princess already...as in the whole thing. I could have really cashed in on this.

For the people who can't play games have the games play themselves

He is right though. This is stupid. This is for the type of people that don't have enough patience to wait for anything in life, the type of people that want everything instantly.Ovirew

This is for people who are frustrated like hell with a boss, or who have no idea where to go, but who don't want to just stop playing the game altogether as a result. It enables them to make a game hard in certain sections without making it impossible for a casual player to enjoy it.

If people use it for instant gratification and then feel empty, that's their fault for doing so. This is nothing more than a tool with many uses. And it's a brilliant one, in my view.

This actually kinda makes me dislike Miyamoto a little to be honest. I can get his interest in pursuing the Wii Fit, but this? Games wouldn't be any fun if you can just time-travel anywhere you want to in them. What is the point, there isn't anything interactive about it, they have ruined games and turned them from an experience into a movie.

This actually kinda makes me dislike Miyamoto a little to be honest. I can get his interest in pursuing the Wii Fit, but this? Games wouldn't be any fun if you can just time-travel anywhere you want to in them. What is the point, there isn't anything interactive about it, they have ruined games and turned them from an experience into a movie.

Ovirew

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...it's an optional feature...

[QUOTE="Ovirew"]He is right though. This is stupid. This is for the type of people that don't have enough patience to wait for anything in life, the type of people that want everything instantly.GabuEx

This is for people who are frustrated like hell with a boss, or who have no idea where to go, but who don't want to just stop playing the game altogetheras a result. It enables them to make a game hard in certain sections without making it impossible for a casual player to enjoy it.

If people use it for instant gratification and then feel empty, that's their fault for doing so. This is nothing more than a tool with many uses. And it's a brilliant one, in my view.

People have no willpower though. That's why everyone who plays World of Warcraft levels 100% faster than me - they sell stuff on the auction house for rediculous prices to make big cash, then go through dungeons over and over again to get legendary gear. It's all pointless, it's like I am the woman and casual gamers are the man, to put it bluntly.Ovirew

People have no willpower? I could have gone to GameFAQs when I was stuck like crazy in Zack & Wiki, but I didn't, because I didn't want to ruin the game. I did, however, use it once and only once when I hadn't played the game for months on account of just plain having no clue where to go and what to do.

This is really no different than a guided walkthrough. If people use it to ruin the experience, the fault is theirs and theirs alone.

I was expecting to see miyamoto literally spill beans.

xchurchillx

"I didn't do it."

[QUOTE="Ovirew"]He is right though. This is stupid. This is for the type of people that don't have enough patience to wait for anything in life, the type of people that want everything instantly.GabuEx

This is for people who are frustrated like hell with a boss, or who have no idea where to go, but who don't want to just stop playing the game altogether as a result. It enables them to make a game hard in certain sections without making it impossible for a casual player to enjoy it.

If people use it for instant gratification and then feel empty, that's their fault for doing so. This is nothing more than a tool with many uses. And it's a brilliant one, in my view.

I completely agree. This is a great feature. I have not finished several games because I get stuck on a single part and have absolutley no idea what to do. This feature hurts absolutely no one. If you don't like it, just don't use it. Yes, it doesn't really make since to do it for half the game, that is not the point though. I can't possibly see how anyone could beopposed to this. DO you guys just not want people to enjoy games or something. Do you feel L337 because you can beat a game and others can't?

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I was expecting to see miyamoto literally spill beans.

bob_newman

"I didn't do it."

Thanks for that epic image. It made my day.

It's all pointless, it's like I am the woman and casual gamers are the man, to put it bluntly.Ovirew

[QUOTE="xchurchillx"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

For the people who can't play games have the games play themselves

Jaysonguy

You understand that's what this does right?

If your grandmother doesn't know how to play a game this game will play itself so she can see how it's supposed to be done

.. I realize it's optional, but so is taking a gun and shooting yourself, and plenty of that goes on around the world :PSolemnJedi79

Awesome! Allows Nintendo to develop at a difficulty with core in mind, while giving casuals an Easy Button so they can ease into core gaming!:)

I don't know about this.

For the people who can't play games have the games play themselves

Jaysonguy

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

For the people who can't play games have the games play themselves

psychobrew

For the people who can't play games have the games play themselves

I really don't see why this is needed. You're better off watching a movie.King-gamer

Its purpose has been explained more than once in this thread. :P

The intent is not for people to turn it on and then just let the whole game play.

This is a positively brilliant feature, and I honestly don't understand why people are complaining, unless of course their browsers are somehow configured to filter out the phrase "it's entirely optional". After that, all they have left is good old-fashioned l337ism and hardcore exclusivity, as if enabling the casual masses to play their games will somehow detract from their own enjoyment thereof.

Look, one of the biggest complaints about this generation (not just the Wii) is that so many hardcore franchises are having the challenge factor watered-down to appeal to a wider audience, but with Shiggy's new system, developers can invite the newbies over to play while still keeping their games as difficult as they want. How could you possibly have a problem with this?

EDIT: Awesome picture from bob newman, by the way. :)

what would we do without shiggyshoryuken_

I think that it's a great idea. It'll be intresting to see how it is implemented. It's also been mentioned before, It is optional, so you don't have to use it if you don't want to!

[QUOTE="xchurchillx"]

I was expecting to see miyamoto literally spill beans.

bob_newman

"I didn't do it."

:lol: This had me in stitches

I don't like this idea, but then i knew i wouldn't like any idea that gives the worser players to get through an hard game. Mainly because i'm quite a good player and enjoy a challenge, but also because the community feel i had with OOT cannot be beaten, and TP in comparision was silly.

I'm sure anyone here who was at school when OOT released. Will remember the days of everyone discussing how to get through that water temple / beat this boss ect, and i really enjoyed that kind of stuff. Now it seems like it's impossible to brag about completing a game, because almost anyone can cause there's cheats everywhere. With this, it will be even worse.

Its a good idea, but they better offer a "hard" mode for Zelda Wii and without this added onto it. Otherwise i wont be happy!!

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[QUOTE="xchurchillx"]

I was expecting to see miyamoto literally spill beans.

"I didn't do it."

:lol: This had me in stitches

It's another example of Nintendo dumbing things down so anyone can play it. SolemnJedi79

You're exactly right

The Wii is not strong enough to make the system work as advertised and they're using Wii owners as the experiment.

With a system that plays itself they're going to have to streamline the games it's featured in and make them more linear. They're going to have to take away a lot of the game so they have the resources to just focus on the tasks at hand to progress the story and that's it.

So on one hand people who don't normally play games can get the help they need

On the other hand the games will be NERF'd to a degree where they're no longer that challenging to the people who normally play them

Right now it's a fair trade off because it's happening on the Wii. If this catches on then it'll be something that is used in every game and future consoles will have the power to run it fully

Right now we get to witness it's first steps, which it will show on it's own, we don't even have to move the controller! lol

.. I realize it's optional, but so is taking a gun and shooting yourself, and plenty of that goes on around the world :P It's another example of Nintendo dumbing things down so anyone can play it. I mean, When Reggie said "We were all novices at one point" he probably forgot that the games we were initiated into gaming with were games like LoZ, Mega Man, Gradius, Metroid on NES, and even Sonic or Shinobi on SEGA.. those games certainly didn't hold your hand, and it never deterred us. People these days just want everything moderate and easy to come by. And Nintendo is happy to mollicoddle 'novice' gamers and veterans alike by offering them instant help when they get stuck. I was stuck on LoZ for 3 years when I was like 8 years old, never stopped me trying, and satisfaction for beating the game was much higher than the satisfaction I felt after beating Twilight Princess -_-' Seriously what's the difference between me at 8 playing my very first game, Gradius (NES), and grandma playing Super Mario Galaxy? only difference is I never played Gradius to beat it, because I thought it was unbeatable :PSolemnJedi79

[QUOTE="SolemnJedi79"]It's another example of Nintendo dumbing things down so anyone can play it. Jaysonguy

You're exactly right

The Wii is not strong enough to make the system work as advertised and they're using Wii owners as the experiment.

With a system that plays itself they're going to have to streamline the games it's featured in and make them more linear. They're going to have to take away a lot of the game so they have the resources to just focus on the tasks at hand to progress the story and that's it.

So on one hand people who don't normally play games can get the help they need

On the other hand the games will be NERF'd to a degree where they're no longer that challenging to the people who normally play them

Right now it's a fair trade off because it's happening on the Wii. If this catches on then it'll be something that is used in every game and future consoles will have the power to run it fully

Right now we get to witness it's first steps, which it will show on it's own, we don't even have to move the controller! lol

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

[QUOTE="SolemnJedi79"]It's another example of Nintendo dumbing things down so anyone can play it. randomguy15

You're exactly right

The Wii is not strong enough to make the system work as advertised and they're using Wii owners as the experiment.

With a system that plays itself they're going to have to streamline the games it's featured in and make them more linear. They're going to have to take away a lot of the game so they have the resources to just focus on the tasks at hand to progress the story and that's it.

So on one hand people who don't normally play games can get the help they need

On the other hand the games will be NERF'd to a degree where they're no longer that challenging to the people who normally play them

Right now it's a fair trade off because it's happening on the Wii. If this catches on then it'll be something that is used in every game and future consoles will have the power to run it fully

Right now we get to witness it's first steps, which it will show on it's own, we don't even have to move the controller! lol

Yes, the Wii owners will be the lab rats for this experiment just like the Wii owners have been lab rats to test out the motion controls. It's not like the first time this has happened on the Wii. Anytime a company tries out something new they're testing on the current owners.

The part about optional is totally false and people need to start understanding that

This will impact every single game it's used on and that impact will be felt by everyone.

The Wii does not have the enough horsepower for even some of the things we call basic by now, Moto himself said that the reason we don't have online multiplayer in the New Mario Bros is that the Wii isn't strong enough to pull it off.

So when it comes to the games playing themselves the Wii doesn't have the power needed to allow the game to play through 20 different scenarios for each task, that means fewer choices and simple, linear gameplay.

So when it comes to the games playing themselves the Wii doesn't have the power needed to allow the game to play through 20 different scenarios for each task, that means fewer choices and simple, linear gameplay.Jaysonguy

And one other thing.... I didn't bother to read the patent itself, so I'm not sure of the specifics. Did it outline how the hint system would work? I imagine an in-game auto-play using the game's engine and everything, but there are other possibilities, like a prerecorded video or even connecting to the internet and streaming a video in. Any of these methods would be less taxing on the hardware than the user actually playing the game, though.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]So when it comes to the games playing themselves the Wii doesn't have the power needed to allow the game to play through 20 different scenarios for each task, that means fewer choices and simple, linear gameplay.JordanElek

And one other thing.... I didn't bother to read the patent itself, so I'm not sure of the specifics. Did it outline how the hint system would work? I imagine an in-game auto-play using the game's engine and everything, but there are other possibilities, like a prerecorded video or even connecting to the internet and streaming a video in. Any of these methods would be less taxing on the hardware than the user actually playing the game, though.

It has everything to do with power

The system is pretty much cruise control for games. You play as much as you want and when you're stuck just stop playing and the game takes over for you. That means the games has to keep track of where the character is anywhere in the game, also remember that this system just isn't for bosses and the like, it's for everything in the game.

If the game just works on a type of "triggered content" like you say then that would make the games even easier
"Stand here and then it'll take over"

It's like those old cartoons where the background has a certain look to it and then the part of the scene that's animated has a completely different look and you know that's where the animation is going to happen, you'd see what was going to happen before it ever started.

If the game just works on a type of "triggered content" like you say then that would make the games even easierJaysonguy

Well I'm not convinced of your point. We'll see if anybody else is.