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#1 psychobrew
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I saw this posted on the www.vgchatz.com forums and thought you guys would be interested.

Edge magazine scored New Super Mario Bros. Wii a 7 out of 10. That does not look promising.

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#2 BrunoBRS
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it's "vgchaRtz", so you're giving a broken link. kinda hard to know what you're talking about. and edge gives a 7 to lots of great games (didnt they do it to MGS4?)
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#3 19061980
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Edge always give contraversial scores, I'd wait for a few more reviews.

ONM gave it 96% and called it game of the year btw.

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#4 MangaPicture
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Edge always give contraversial scores, I'd wait for a few more reviews.

ONM gave it 96% and called it game of the year btw.

19061980

Official Nintendo Magazine gives a good score, who would have thought that?

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#5 BrunoBRS
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[QUOTE="19061980"]

Edge always give contraversial scores, I'd wait for a few more reviews.

ONM gave it 96% and called it game of the year btw.

MangaPicture

Official Nintendo Magazine gives a good score, who would have thought that?

yea, because bad journalists that cant even give an impartial review always work on official magazines.
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#6 OreoMilkshake
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This is old and and I don't care what they think. The game will kick ass.
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#7 bobcheeseball
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They also gave Borderlands a 6 and that got an 8.5/8.0 here. So I'm not really concerned. Game is going to be awesome AAE

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#8 aransom
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I always thought a game became a flop on bad sales. Now, a game can be a flop two weeks before it's available. Nothing in those Edge review snippets make me less likely to buy this game.

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#9 alexh_99
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Doesn't matter, i will still be picking this game up.

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#10 haziqonfire
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EDGE is always harsh on games. Also, EDGE uses the full 10 point scale(1.0 - 10.0), unlike most sites in North America, where they use the 5 scale (5.0 - 10.0). A 7.0/10 in EDGE actually means its a good title that isn't exceptional, but its still good and worth buying. Here, people see a 7.0 and think its crap or average because of the 5.0-10.0 scale.

Regardless of score, people will still buy it. I know I want it, regardless of the score.

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#11 chris3116
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This is old and and I don't care what they think. The game will kick ass.OreoMilkshake

This

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#12 virus1000
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[QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"]This is old and and I don't care what they think. The game will kick ass.chris3116

This

Yeah 8)

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#13 wiifan001
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New Super Mario bros will sell 5 million copies, at least.
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#14 ASK_Story
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*sigh* Not Edge again. Don't trust Edge. They're really wonky in their views. For example they gave God of War 2 a 7, Killzone 2 a 7, Muramasa a 6, Metal Gear Solid IV a 8, Batman AA a 8....these are just examples.
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#15 diablo2602
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when does this game come out? i want to play it really bad... a good reason to dust the wii off.

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#16 sonic_spark
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I don't know what everyone's expecting?

It'll be awesome and a ton of fun but I think people have extremely high hopes for this.

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#17 clicketyclick
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[QUOTE="ASK_Story"]*sigh* Not Edge again. Don't trust Edge. They're really wonky in their views. For example they gave God of War 2 a 7, Killzone 2 a 7, Muramasa a 6, Metal Gear Solid IV a 8, Batman AA a 8....these are just examples.

Those aren't ridiculous scores. They're quite reasonable, actually.

EDGE is always harsh on games. Also, EDGE uses the full 10 point scale(1.0 - 10.0), unlike most sites in North America, where they use the 5 scale (5.0 - 10.0). A 7.0/10 in EDGE actually means its a good title that isn't exceptional, but its still good and worth buying. Here, people see a 7.0 and think its crap or average because of the 5.0-10.0 scale.

Haziqonfire
^ This is correct. Edge actually reviews games properly. A "7" isn't bad, just like a "7" on Gamespot isn't bad. It means it's "good" not "great". That's only a "flop" in System Wars terminology.
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#18 19061980
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[QUOTE="19061980"]

Edge always give contraversial scores, I'd wait for a few more reviews.

ONM gave it 96% and called it game of the year btw.

MangaPicture

Official Nintendo Magazine gives a good score, who would have thought that?

Wow, not even close to my point. I might as well have not even written that first sentance.

My point is everyone's views are different because everyone has a different agenda. Journalists at ONM want to keep thier job, so they give Nintendo games good scores (unless they truly suck). Edge contantly publishes contraversial reviews so that they can sell copies of thier magazine.

I don't believe there is such thing as an impartial review, as everyone has different opinions. And in the end, isn't that the whole point of a review, to get someone's opinion on the game?

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#19 DeadEndPanda
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i actully dont consider EDGE to be bad at reviewing games,

its just that you can compare them to GS or IGN, becouse they are really HARSH on the reviews

which i think is a good thing actully, but considering they are just soo hard on games, you should compare their earlier scores to GS and see.

games that get 7-8 on EDGE usually get around 8.5-9 here on GS. so i dont think thats bad at all

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#20 ImbaIance
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Golly, I guess I better go cancel my pre-order now.

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#21 Rocky32189
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A 5 in Edge magazine is average. So a 7 is very good.
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#22 ASK_Story
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[QUOTE="clicketyclick"][QUOTE="ASK_Story"]*sigh* Not Edge again. Don't trust Edge. They're really wonky in their views. For example they gave God of War 2 a 7, Killzone 2 a 7, Muramasa a 6, Metal Gear Solid IV a 8, Batman AA a 8....these are just examples.

Those aren't ridiculous scores. They're quite reasonable, actually.

EDGE is always harsh on games. Also, EDGE uses the full 10 point scale(1.0 - 10.0), unlike most sites in North America, where they use the 5 scale (5.0 - 10.0). A 7.0/10 in EDGE actually means its a good title that isn't exceptional, but its still good and worth buying. Here, people see a 7.0 and think its crap or average because of the 5.0-10.0 scale.

Haziqonfire
^ This is correct. Edge actually reviews games properly. A "7" isn't bad, just like a "7" on Gamespot isn't bad. It means it's "good" not "great". That's only a "flop" in System Wars terminology.

You're kidding, right? God of War 2 a 7? Killzone 2 a 7 when every other review site gave these 9s?
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#23 raahsnavj
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Flop? Bad sales or not so raving reviews from 'the hardcorez?" - It's going to sell like mad. 2D side scrolling local multi-player = instant sales for the majority of the Wii market. And as long as it is actually fun and not frustrating, it will spread like wildfire via word of mouth. It will be in the top 3 selling Wii games this Christmas (along with Wii Fit plus and Resort)... Sure sounds like a flop to me...
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#24 OniStrat
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i actully dont consider EDGE to be bad at reviewing games,

its just that you can compare them to GS or IGN, becouse they are really HARSH on the reviews

which i think is a good thing actully, but considering they are just soo hard on games, you should compare their earlier scores to GS and see.

games that get 7-8 on EDGE usually get around 8.5-9 here on GS. so i dont think thats bad at all

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No, they're not harsh. A 7 out of 10 is a good score. It's just GameSpot, IGN and other North American site's that are too soft on games. Sometimes it seems like GameSpot does not NOT like any game. Every game they review gets a good score.

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#25 haziqonfire
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[QUOTE="clicketyclick"][QUOTE="ASK_Story"] Those aren't ridiculous scores. They're quite reasonable, actually. [QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

EDGE is always harsh on games. Also, EDGE uses the full 10 point scale(1.0 - 10.0), unlike most sites in North America, where they use the 5 scale (5.0 - 10.0). A 7.0/10 in EDGE actually means its a good title that isn't exceptional, but its still good and worth buying. Here, people see a 7.0 and think its crap or average because of the 5.0-10.0 scale.

ASK_Story

^ This is correct. Edge actually reviews games properly. A "7" isn't bad, just like a "7" on Gamespot isn't bad. It means it's "good" not "great". That's only a "flop" in System Wars terminology.

You're kidding, right? God of War 2 a 7? Killzone 2 a 7 when every other review site gave these 9s?

Again, reviews from sites like GameSpot and IGN are different then EDGE.

Edge is more like EuroGamer.

They use the full 10 scale, not the 5 scale.

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#26 clicketyclick
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[QUOTE="ASK_Story"] You're kidding, right? God of War 2 a 7? Killzone 2 a 7 when every other review site gave these 9s?

Not every other site. Check up their metacritic pages. In any case, just because the majority of people thought it was amazing doesn't mean the game isn't overrated. GoWII and KZ2 don't appeal to a lot of people. It's a perfectly valid score. If they gave it a 5 or a 6 then I'd raise an eyebrow. In any case, the actual criticisms they make this this review seem astute, like the one about level design not well tailored to multiplayer gameplay. That seems to ring true.
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#27 Crazyguy105
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Ugh. I'm so sick of this Edge review.

I don't trust it at all. Look at the other scores Edge gave other games.

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#28 Sepewrath
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when does this game come out? i want to play it really bad... a good reason to dust the wii off.

diablo2602
I believe it comes out on Nov 15th, anyway a game is a flop because of one review? Even if you really followed reviews religiously, I don't know why people think a 7.0 is the same as 2.0. Even if those numbers meant the world to you, a 7.0 would mean the game was good. But in reality those numbers don't mean anything, its just a randoms person opinion. If i gave it a 1.0 does that mean the game sucks, and you'll hate it. If I gave it a 10 does that mean you would think its perfect? Of course not. The only thing reviews are good for is the written portion to find out if a game has any techinical problems.
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#29 ASK_Story
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Sorry. Edge are pretentious reviewers who sit on their high horse thinking they are the say all, be all of video game reviewers, when in fact they're not. The things they said about Muramasa is offensive. They think it's being smart but it was more "smart aleck" and mean spirited. That's how they are. So that's why this whole "Edge has different review scales" is baloney.
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#30 wiifan001
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So the argument is pretty much the same: Screw Edge's opinions and enjoy New Super Mario Bros Wii :twisted:
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#31 psychobrew
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[QUOTE="Crazyguy105"]

Ugh. I'm so sick of this Edge review.

I don't trust it at all. Look at the other scores Edge gave other games.

Little King's Story got a 9.0 from them, and I think that was very kind. Certainly on the higher end of the spectrum for an ok game, and not what I'd expect from a so called harsh site.
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#32 OniStrat
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[QUOTE="Crazyguy105"]

Ugh. I'm so sick of this Edge review.

I don't trust it at all. Look at the other scores Edge gave other games.

psychobrew

Little King's Story got a 9.0 from them, and I think that was very kind. Certainly on the higher end of the spectrum for an ok game, and not what I'd expect from a so called harsh site.

Are you kidding? Little King's Story is the best game of the year so far, and I have played most of the big titles this year including Killzone 2, Uncharted 2, RE5 and so on. I'm not surprised at all that EGDE gave LKS a 9 out of 10. It totally deserves it.

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#33 izayoi
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Still getting the game anyways. What did Edge give Brawl?

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#34 so_hai
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[QUOTE="chris3116"]

[QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"]This is old and and I don't care what they think. The game will kick ass.virus1000

This

Yeah 8)

Don't know if I'll get it, but it's going to be a quality game no matter where you come from. It's Miyamoto for chrissakes...
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#35 email2003
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A 7/10? What ever!? This game is a 8-9 /10 score for sure.
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#36 Dycras
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uh, hello, when did we ever expect this game to be a 9??? 7 or 8 is about what everyone has been saying the game will be, but everyones gonna get it because it'll be as fun as four swords adventures because of playing with friends (except easier since you won't need gameboys and gameboy cables :P)

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#37 goblaa
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*sigh* Not Edge again. Don't trust Edge. They're really wonky in their views. For example they gave God of War 2 a 7, Killzone 2 a 7, Muramasa a 6, Metal Gear Solid IV a 8, Batman AA a 8....these are just examples.ASK_Story

I actually agree with most those scores.

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#38 trugs26
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A lot of people seem to be forgetting how scoring is relative to their magazine/website. You don't compare a 9 on certain game on one site to another game that got 9 on another site, if anything you compare 2 different games on the same sites score.

As others have stated, a 7 at Edge is a good score. A 7 at GS is an average score. It's relative. You're used to seeing a 7 as a negative thing, while people who read Edge don't.

Anyway, as I'm not an Edge reader, I don't know really what to make of this score. I'll wait for another source.

Actually, even if all sources are negative I'm still getting it. I loved NSMB on the DS, and this will ATLEAST be as good.

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#39 ASK_Story
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[QUOTE="ASK_Story"]*sigh* Not Edge again. Don't trust Edge. They're really wonky in their views. For example they gave God of War 2 a 7, Killzone 2 a 7, Muramasa a 6, Metal Gear Solid IV a 8, Batman AA a 8....these are just examples.goblaa

I actually agree with most those scores.

Obviously you're a Nintendo fan. So am I but those are terrible scores. You're actually the first one who admit to agree with these scores. You have the right to your own opinion so I respect that but when EVERY other site is giving great scores to these games, like God of War 2 for example and Edge is the odd man out, it's a little odd. I mean c'mon! They gave Conan the console game the same score as God of War 2 and GoW2 obliterate Conan by a thousand miles! They even gave FEAR 2 a higher score, yes a higher score, than Killzone 2 on the same month! That's a little weird to me. And Muramasa a 6?! Now think about that. One of the most beautifully made games ever and one of the Wii's best action games surely deserves a higher score than a measly 6.
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#40 TheLordMagnus
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Am I the only one who doesn't understand the obsession people have with review scores? If there's a game I really, really want to buy, I'm probably going to buy it unless EVERYONE says its complete crap. This isn't American Idol for God's sake.
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#41 hashabnelah
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People talk about EDGE's scores, but what about its written reviews? I know people defend EDGE's written reviews, but I personally find them dull and uninformative.

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#42 suntaice
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This game doesnt look that great, its a recycled game with the same gameplay but improved graphics.

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#43 Captain_Lorelli
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This game doesnt look that great, its a recycled game with the same gameplay but improved graphics.

suntaice

Recycled from what? All the levels are new. Please come in here with some facts to your statements. If you just guess about things, it is not an opinion.

Same gameplay and improved graphics? Thats what every game in every video game series has done for years.

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#44 NeonNinja
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Aside from the fact that this is one reviewers opinion, and that 7 means "good" while forumites squeal about it standing for mediocre or failure, this is Edge. They give everything a 7 if it's good. Because 7 stands for "good."

Not to go off on a different note or anything, but I think gaming could benefit from more games getting 7's and less earning 9's. Oh well. I'm still going to play it because I love me some Mario!

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#45 90xGrad
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when does this game come out? i want to play it really bad... a good reason to dust the wii off.

diablo2602

your house is dirty. on topic, iwill buy this game even if it scores below a 5 and everyone on gamespot says it's terrible.

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#46 Kojo222
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The reviewer sure loves his SAT adjectives. I'm honestly not expecting much from this game, but I don't feel like taking this review seriously either.
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#47 J_Ford
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There's no way New Super Mario Bros Wii isgoing to flop.

It's likely going to be one of Nintendo's best selling games on the Wii, it's 2D platforming at it's finest.

Just about everyone who owns a Wii will be playing it this holiday.

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#48 aransom
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Am I the only one who doesn't understand the obsession people have with review scores? If there's a game I really, really want to buy, I'm probably going to buy it unless EVERYONE says its complete crap. This isn't American Idol for God's sake.TheLordMagnus
I don't understand it either. I guess some people get emotionally invested in their favorite game to the point that they take it personal when a reviewer criticizes it, even when the criticism has merit. I value the objective information in a review (slow frame rates, broken controls, lousy textures, bad music, ect.). I don't ignore the subjective information, but it's of lesser value to me.

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#49 BrunoBRS
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[QUOTE="TheLordMagnus"]Am I the only one who doesn't understand the obsession people have with review scores? If there's a game I really, really want to buy, I'm probably going to buy it unless EVERYONE says its complete crap. This isn't American Idol for God's sake.aransom

I don't understand it either. I guess some people get emotionally invested in their favorite game to the point that they take it personal when a reviewer criticizes it, even when the criticism has merit. I value the objective information in a review (slow frame rates, broken controls, lousy textures, bad music, ect.). I don't ignore the subjective information, but it's of lesser value to me.

which reminds me of how i cant point the negative points in a game in front of my friends, or they'll call me picky. even if i say "red steel's controls are awful..." >.>
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#50 livinitup01
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New Super Mario bros will sell 5 million copies, at least. wiifan001
Maybe even more if I buy a copy for all my friends. ;) A Mario game that finally goes back to its roots while doing a lot of things better. No online but whatever. I missed SMB3 and this is a great reward. It was what we were asking for, for the most part. This game def' deserves to be successful. Now Nintendo can't say we don't know what we really want.