Snaking on Mario Kart for Wii?

I doubt they will take it out. But they could get mods on the online games who kick ppl off for doing itgreenneil4

You could very easily take it out by make zones on the track where it is only possible to do that in certain areas, like around corners and any straight-aways they could program as a no mini-boost zone and that would eliminate snaking. 

Although I don't use it I think it shouldn't be removed, because as it has been said before it takes skill to master it therefore people who use it are just too good, they are not cheating.

And I agree with the poster above that Nintendo should create different rooms for players who use snaking and the ones who doesn't.

if it takes skill to do it, then learn and master it. it adds depth to the game and more skill drifting has always been in mario kart right? or is this differentcriscotwister

Drifting has always been in Mario kart, but that's only around corners.  MKDS was the first game where you could do it in the straightaways.  that's when it's snaking, when you're using in the straight sections of a track to go faster than everyone else.  It's a very difficult move to pull off, but gives people who know how to do it a HUGE advantage.

[QUOTE="criscotwister"]if it takes skill to do it, then learn and master it. it adds depth to the game and more skill drifting has always been in mario kart right? or is this differentjonathan_rector

I agree 100%. Removing snaking from Mario Kart would be like removing the advanced techniques like wave-dashing from Smash Bros.

[QUOTE="criscotwister"]if it takes skill to do it, then learn and master it. it adds depth to the game and more skill drifting has always been in mario kart right? or is this differentsmileyryder34

Drifting has always been in Mario kart, but that's only around corners.  MKDS was the first game where you could do it in the straightaways.  that's when it's snaking, when you're using in the straight sections of a track to go faster than everyone else.  It's a very difficult move to pull off, but gives people who know how to do it a HUGE advantage.

I really don't think snaking should be a part of the game.  MKDS is the first game that has had the tactic, or at least the first one where it was a "problem," because you now have so many people playing online. 

I don't like it, I think it's cheap, but I also understand the other side of the coin and the people who like the tactic.  I don't know if it's a bug in the game that lets people do it, or if it was intended to be in the game.  No one knows for sure, the people who say they do are lying through their teeth.  It's the only "trick" in the game that is not mentioned in the rulebook.  Drifting around corners is, and you can't say the rulebook says that tactic is in there.

I also don't have a problem with that tactic if you can have a choice.  It does make for unfair races and that can't be denied.  More people don't use snaking than people who do use it.  It's very easy to tell the people who do us it though because their W-L Records are so skewed towards the win column.  That alone is evidence that it is unfair.  If you're matched up against someone with 5200 wins and 12 losses going against someone with 51 wins and 32 losses you know who's going to win.  No one can say that's fair.   

the same way NFS Carbon uses it to drift...

Do you think when they eventually make MK for the Wii the developers will make snaking possible or will they find a way to program it out?roboccs

[QUOTE="criscotwister"]if it takes skill to do it, then learn and master it. it adds depth to the game and more skill drifting has always been in mario kart right? or is this differentoblivious789

QFT.  So now we can say people can do something based on the difficulty it takes to learn something and they aren't cheating.  That is not fair at all.  I know someone that is really good at video games yet he doesn't "snake" because the d-pad is to small for his fingers.  While that may sound like an excuse to some people, well whatever take it as you will.  He can snake but he feels that it is cheating.  People that snake have an unfair advantage of people that do not know how to and can't learn to snake.

Using the bolded text I quoted as a good example, while theoretically everybody might be able to learn how to count cards, not everybody can.  What do the casinos do?  They call counting cards cheating.  While a big reasoning for this has to do with them trying not to lose more money than is necessary, they also want their customers, the gamblers, to have a good time and come back.

Another thing is if people have played on Xbox Live and specifically the game Midtown Madness 3, because that was the game I played when I had Live, a lot of people considered it cheating to use glitches in the game that made it hard to tag other players while playing Cops and Robbers.  I will admit that some people would set up games for just that purpose, but those games were meant to be fun.  But when a person would sit in a glitch to avoid being tagged until they were the last player, that is not fun.  It's the same thing with snaking.  I mean come on, people even disconnect from a game if they are losing so they don't hurt their stats....that can be considered cheating. 

-Shark2k

If you disconnect during a race it does hurt your stats.  you get a loss if you disconnect in the middle of a race.  The only problem with that is that the person who stays in doesn't get a win.  That needs to be fixed in the next MK game as well.  Make it so both people get credit for the race, not just the person who loses.

I really don't think snaking should be a part of the game.  MKDS is the first game that has had the tactic, or at least the first one where it was a "problem," because you now have so many people playing online. 

I don't like it, I think it's cheap, but I also understand the other side of the coin and the people who like the tactic.  I don't know if it's a bug in the game that lets people do it, or if it was intended to be in the game.  No one knows for sure, the people who say they do are lying through their teeth.  It's the only "trick" in the game that is not mentioned in the rulebook.  Drifting around corners is, and you can't say the rulebook says that tactic is in there.

I also don't have a problem with that tactic if you can have a choice.  It does make for unfair races and that can't be denied.  More people don't use snaking than people who do use it.  It's very easy to tell the people who do us it though because their W-L Records are so skewed towards the win column.  That alone is evidence that it is unfair.  If you're matched up against someone with 5200 wins and 12 losses going against someone with 51 wins and 32 losses you know who's going to win.  No one can say that's fair.   

smileyryder34

[QUOTE="greenneil4"]I doubt they will take it out. But they could get mods on the online games who kick ppl off for doing itMoodyFlame

and whether or not it was meant to be in the game everybody can use it. its not an unfair advantage because some people are better at it than others. you guys are acting like its some type of cheat you unlock. Its as fair as it gets because everybody has access to it and it is part of the game whether it was intended or not. Some people are just better at it than others just like any other videogame played onlineBeamer12

If you disconnect during a race it does hurt your stats.  you get a loss if you disconnect in the middle of a race.  The only problem with that is that the person who stays in doesn't get a win.  That needs to be fixed in the next MK game as well.  Make it so both people get credit for the race, not just the person who loses.

smileyryder34

I think it's a really cheap exploit that ruins the fun for people who'd prefer to race more 'traditionally.' I'm sure it'll find it's way to MKWii and the only thing we can really do about it is set up an online group or something of people who do not snake. PikaPichu

I don't think it is fair, because not everyone has the ability to devote a lot of time to playing video games to be able to use that "tactic".  Drifting has been around since MK64, not skaking.  That is a "tactic" loophole that people have invented to be able to get an edge over people who don't spend a lot of time playing video games. 

If would like someone to show video of snaking being used in MK64, MKAdvance, and MKDD.

Snaking is a tactic for the hardest of the hardcore gamers, it's really only fair to use it against other people who play video games at the same level.  The "hardcore" and the casual gamers don't use tactics like that because they don't have the time to devote to "learning" it or want their gaming experience against others to be fair and reflective of their ability.  It should only be used against people who have agreed to it before hand. 

[QUOTE="PikaPichu"]I think it's a really cheap exploit that ruins the fun for people who'd prefer to race more 'traditionally.' I'm sure it'll find it's way to MKWii and the only thing we can really do about it is set up an online group or something of people who do not snake. Beamer12

Actually, you can do Snaking in MK64 but it is much harder and not worth it as its uff to keep straight.  It first really showed up in MKDD as that was out before MKDS. 

Snaking is a tuff thing to master, but get two snakers in a race and it will be a very close battle.  If youcan't snake, you need to get better at the game.  They should leave it in for that reason, infact, I think that's why MKDD doesnt have the little jump before you slide, its to make snaking easier.

I do agree that they need to have a lobby of some sort, to sort out good player vs bad players as the auto buddy system may work but if someone who sucks youses your online character, they'd get stuck with someone way better than them.

Actually, you can do Snaking in MK64 but it is much harder and not worth it as its uff to keep straight.  It first really showed up in MKDD as that was out before MKDS. 

Snaking is a tuff thing to master, but get two snakers in a race and it will be a very close battle.  If youcan't snake, you need to get better at the game.  They should leave it in for that reason, infact, I think that's why MKDD doesnt have the little jump before you slide, its to make snaking easier.

I do agree that they need to have a lobby of some sort, to sort out good player vs bad players as the auto buddy system may work but if someone who sucks youses your online character, they'd get stuck with someone way better than them.

Phazevariance

I disagree with part of your post.  The good vs bad players.  You can't say snakers are good players and non-snakers are bad players, that's not even close to the truth.  There are many good players who are non-snakers.  Players who don't snake and have twice as many wins as they do losses are good players, but your statement implies that they're a bad player because they don't snake.  Maybe I took that statement wrong, and if I did I'm sorry.

Does anyone know if there is a non-snakers union?  If not how do you create one?

[QUOTE="Phazevariance"]

Actually, you can do Snaking in MK64 but it is much harder and not worth it as its uff to keep straight. It first really showed up in MKDD as that was out before MKDS.

Snaking is a tuff thing to master, but get two snakers in a race and it will be a very close battle. If youcan't snake, you need to get better at the game. They should leave it in for that reason, infact, I think that's why MKDD doesnt have the little jump before you slide, its to make snaking easier.

I do agree that they need to have a lobby of some sort, to sort out good player vs bad players as the auto buddy system may work but if someone who sucks youses your online character, they'd get stuck with someone way better than them.

smileyryder34

I disagree with part of your post. The good vs bad players. You can't say snakers are good players and non-snakers are bad players, that's not even close to the truth. There are many good players who are non-snakers. Players who don't snake and have twice as many wins as they do losses are good players, but your statement implies that they're a bad player because they don't snake. Maybe I took that statement wrong, and if I did I'm sorry.

Does anyone know if there is a non-snakers union? If there isn't would people be interested in helping me form one?

i think its more the better players vs the players who arent quite as good....im sure there are nonsnakers with good records but if its a snaker vs a nonsnaker chances are the snaker will winBeamer12

[QUOTE="smileyryder34"][QUOTE="Phazevariance"]

Actually, you can do Snaking in MK64 but it is much harder and not worth it as its uff to keep straight. It first really showed up in MKDD as that was out before MKDS.

Snaking is a tuff thing to master, but get two snakers in a race and it will be a very close battle. If youcan't snake, you need to get better at the game. They should leave it in for that reason, infact, I think that's why MKDD doesnt have the little jump before you slide, its to make snaking easier.

I do agree that they need to have a lobby of some sort, to sort out good player vs bad players as the auto buddy system may work but if someone who sucks youses your online character, they'd get stuck with someone way better than them.

PikaPichu

I disagree with part of your post. The good vs bad players. You can't say snakers are good players and non-snakers are bad players, that's not even close to the truth. There are many good players who are non-snakers. Players who don't snake and have twice as many wins as they do losses are good players, but your statement implies that they're a bad player because they don't snake. Maybe I took that statement wrong, and if I did I'm sorry.

Does anyone know if there is a non-snakers union? If there isn't would people be interested in helping me form one?

just out of curiousity.....in a nonsnakers union are you allowed to drift around corners and not on straightaways or are you not allowed to drift at all......all snaking really is is drifting on straightawaysBeamer12

My opinion you would not be able to snake on straights, corners are perfectly acceptable.

Snaking is drifting on the straights, not on the corners.

I am currently working on setting up a non-snakers union.  Message me or post here if you'd like to join and I'll add you to the list.  I need 4 people to be charter members to start the union.

[QUOTE="greenneil4"]I doubt they will take it out. But they could get mods on the online games who kick ppl off for doing itMoodyFlame

[QUOTE="MoodyFlame"][QUOTE="greenneil4"]I doubt they will take it out. But they could get mods on the online games who kick ppl off for doing itLitchie

Another idea would be to make it so that too much consecutive drift-boosting would cause the engine to overheat and require the player to move off to the side while his/her engine cools down a la Excite Bike (NES). :)
PikaPichu

[QUOTE="Litchie"][QUOTE="MoodyFlame"][QUOTE="greenneil4"]I doubt they will take it out. But they could get mods on the online games who kick ppl off for doing itPikaPichu

[QUOTE="jonathan_rector"][QUOTE="criscotwister"]if it takes skill to do it, then learn and master it. it adds depth to the game and more skill drifting has always been in mario kart right? or is this differentMorgario

I agree 100%. Removing snaking from Mario Kart would be like removing the advanced techniques like wave-dashing from Smash Bros.

Except Wave dashing is an animation glitch and will likely be removed in Brawl.  Snaking is just drifting but on straightaways, will the programmers have to disable drifting on straight sections for it to work?