[QUOTE="snowman6251"][QUOTE="wiifan001"]
It's understandable to not be able to follow the logic of those attempting to provide some sort of moral standard when it comes to video games. I don't expect you to undertand because you yourself probably aren't the guy who selects their games based on what's on the esrb, so I don't expect you to understand and I mean that in a nice, honorable sufficient way.
And, well, I think the "beating kids" comparison is irrelevant, but spanking your kids I think can be an effective way of justice and learning, and a proper method of parenthood if and only if handled the right way. Heck, I believe it can be potentially more effective that certain pills that are being rammed down children's throats inexplicitly altering the chemical reactions through the mind and body. I bet it can. But like I said, "beating the kids" is not, the way I see it, a very good comparison to this.
wiifan001
Well its true I don't pay any attention to what the ESRB says because I know myself and I know what I want to play. You on the other hand will make a decision regarding a game purchase based on their opinions. Do you think they know better than you what's appropriate for you to play? You said some T games are unacceptable and this is ok. You're deciding for yourself. You looked at the game regardless of its rating and decided it wasn't for you. Why then do M games automatically get written off? If you chose not to buy every M game in existence because you looked at the game and thought "No, its too violent, too much sex, whatever, this isn't for me" then that'd make total sense to me. You have your moral standards and you don't want to play something that conflicts with them. Instead however you automatically write off any and every game that an external entity arbitrarily deemed as mature. The same way some PG-13 movies should really be R, and vice versa, some T games should be M, and vice versa. Why let some external source decide for you what you can and can't enjoy? Why not decide for yourself what's appropriate?
I do decide for myself what's appropriate. Looking at the wii games: Resident Evil 4 involves blowing off heads and other crazy stuff involving human flesh. Madworld has chainsaws, meat grinders, regular slaugherhouses, etc. No More Heroes "is a 10 hour sex joke with decapitation and splitting in half overly dramatic amounts of blood" House of the Dead Overkill has practically the most number of F-bombs in any video game I've ever seen. Dead Space Extraction involves circular blades and brutal deaths of humans
The more I exploit myself to let me give an M rated game a chance the more I let myself be exposed to this.
And that's the problem. I KNOW THESE THINGS. I shouldn't be knowing these things. I continued to let myselfwatch game play footage and trailers over and over. There hasn't been a "tame" M rated wii game that has even come close, not a bit close,to what I'd be willing to play. And unfortunately knowing these things, I won't let myself through being exposed anymore.
Now, I get where your coming from to a certain extent. Halo and Half Life are considered among the most tame M rated games ever created. I can easily get myself away from the couple M rated considered to be among the "more tame withno problems." OneM rated game is all the difference between answering Yes or No to the question, "Do you have any M rated games in your collection?"
Since I don't want to let myself go through having to watch it anymore, because I've given more than enough chances to M rated games, it's easier to just not even glance at them. No M rated games, I've given far too many chances. They're rated M for a reason.
Halo and Half Life are pretty good examples of tame M games but how about this. Oblivion is rated M. I can think of literally no reason for Oblivion to be rated M.The box lists the following for its M rating:
Blood and Gore
Language
Sexual Themes
Use of Alcohol
Violence
This is my interpretation of that.
Blood and Gore - Actual combat in the game is not bloody or gory in the least. I have never noticed enemies bleeding profusely or even bleeding at all. The only blood and gore I can think of that they might be referencing is that there are a few scenes in the game that have been crafted to show the aftereffects of a massacre. For example there is a church where some murders took place which provides you a questline. The inside of the church has things knocked over and there are bloodstains on the floor to show "yes a crime took place here". There are only a few of these types of moments in the game.
Language - They speak mostly in fantasy realm old English. There may have been a curse or two tossed in but I can't recall a specific event were swearing was used.
Sexual Themes - Do they just put this on the back of every box that has a woman in it? The girls wear dresses. I can't think of any overtly sexual questlines or scenarios that occurred in game.
Use of Alcohol - There is alcohol in the game. You can drink it for various buffs/debuffs. It also blurs your vision.
Violence - You fight goblins, demons, ogres, wolves, vampires, assassins, bandits, etc. Standard fantasy fare. You can use magic, blades, bows, whatever, to fight off these foes.
With the exception of a select few quests, most of which involving the optional Dark Brotherhood (Assassin Guild) questline, the game is an incredibly tame fantasy RPG. You can completely ignore most of the content some might find objectionable and you can play through the whole game as a pure of heart hero. I don't think Oblivion really deserves to be an M game. Would you refuse to play it on principle because the ESRB deemed it worthy of an M rating?
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