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[QUOTE="snowman6251"] Oh what the hell . Someone needs to put that Judge in jail.JordanElek

But how do you let an intruder who tied up a family go free, especially when he already has prior convictions? Makes no sense, unless his brain damage has totally incapacitated him. The article doesn't say.

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[QUOTE="snowman6251"] Oh what the hell . Someone needs to put that Judge in jail.snowman6251

But how do you let an intruder who tied up a family go free, especially when he already has prior convictions? Makes no sense, unless his brain damage has totally incapacitated him. The article doesn't say.

Well I agree this guy was weak, that's why I think he should have plead insanity

Once you get the situation under control you stop, now he was broken and unable to do that so it was either he was too weak or too crazy. Being too weak makes you sound pathetic and so you push the booga booga defense where he snapped.

As it stands now he's just another person who's too weak to have control over himself.

I'm really shocked he didn't plead insanity

The article doesn't say.

JordanElek

Sign of bad journalism right there. That's an important part of this story and it's left out.

I'm really shocked he didn't plead insanity

Jaysonguy

He probably cares too much about his reputation. He's a millionaire. If he pleads insanity nobody will ever trust him with money again. But if he's just got an anger problem, well that's something that can be worked on.

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I'm really shocked he didn't plead insanity

bob_newman

He probably cares too much about his reputation. He's a millionaire. If he pleads insanity nobody will ever trust him with money again. But if he's just got an anger problem, well that's something that can be worked on.

Good point

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I'm really shocked he didn't plead insanity

bob_newman

He probably cares too much about his reputation. He's a millionaire. If he pleads insanity nobody will ever trust him with money again. But if he's just got an anger problem, well that's something that can be worked on.

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[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

I'm really shocked he didn't plead insanity

snowman6251

He probably cares too much about his reputation. He's a millionaire. If he pleads insanity nobody will ever trust him with money again. But if he's just got an anger problem, well that's something that can be worked on.

Yes he was. He repeativelybeat a defenseless man on the ground with a weapon who no longer posed a threat to anyone. Doesn't matter what happened before hand, nothing gives you the legal right to do that.

Now, my personal belief may be that the intruder deserved a good beating, but legally the man was in the wrong and should face the consequences.

He was defending his family. He probably got caught up in the moment and went overboard but oh well, the robber deserved it. It would've been better if he tied the guy up until the cops arrived or something like that but I certainly can't blame him for just wailing on the guy either.snowman6251

But following the same logic, the intruder should've been sentenced as well, because as it is, it sends the message that you can break into a home and tie up its inhabitants as long as one of them beats the hell out of you. But again, I kind of assume at this point that the intruder was left pretty helpless by the brain damage stuff. He probably would've been jailed for a long time if he hadn't gotten brain damage.

THIS IS ONE OF THE GREATEST SONGS IN HISTORY

"If I ever meet you I'll CRTL+ALT+DEL you"

God bless this wonderful wonderful man

Man, watching the live Phillies press conference is really depressing:( Halladay's wearing #34, he's in pinstrips, just doesn't feel right. At least they aren't Yankees pinstrips.

Wish him the best of luck though. Can't wait to see him at Spring Training and end of June in Toronto. I'll always have hope though, if he wins in Philly, he'll return to Toronto to end his career.

[QUOTE="snowman6251"]He was defending his family. He probably got caught up in the moment and went overboard but oh well, the robber deserved it. It would've been better if he tied the guy up until the cops arrived or something like that but I certainly can't blame him for just wailing on the guy either.JordanElek

But following the same logic, the intruder should've been sentenced as well, because as it is, it sends the message that you can break into a home and tie up its inhabitants as long as one of them beats the hell out of you. But again, I kind of assume at this point that the intruder was left pretty helpless by the brain damage stuff. He probably would've been jailed for a long time if he hadn't gotten brain damage.

THIS IS ONE OF THE GREATEST SONGS IN HISTORY

"If I ever meet you I'll CRTL+ALT+DEL you"

God bless this wonderful wonderful man

I kind of see your point but it pisses me off to no end that a victim of a crime can be even further victimized by the law. If those guys hadn't come into his house in the first place nothing bad would have happened to him. He wouldn't have been in danger at any point and he wouldn't be in jail for DEFENDING himself. But because some lowlifes break into his home and do terrible things to his family, he steps up to the plate and ends up in jail for it. It just bugs me.snowman6251

Yes, but here's the thing: the robbers had already fled. The beating in question happened on their front lawn, where the defendant had chased the victim down and brought him down. Once he was on the ground, thenthey proceeded to beat him with a metal pole and a cricket bat. They didn't do what they did under immediate threat to life or limb.

And I think we should operate under the assumption that the robber is along the lines of a vegetable or else this makes NO sense whatsoever.snowman6251

Considering that it said that his condition made him unable to enter a plea, I'm assuming that that is probably a safe bet.

[QUOTE="snowman6251"]I kind of see your point but it pisses me off to no end that a victim of a crime can be even further victimized by the law. If those guys hadn't come into his house in the first place nothing bad would have happened to him. He wouldn't have been in danger at any point and he wouldn't be in jail for DEFENDING himself. But because some lowlifes break into his home and do terrible things to his family, he steps up to the plate and ends up in jail for it. It just bugs me.GabuEx

Yes, but here's the thing: the robbers had already fled. The beating in question happened on their front lawn, where the defendant had chased the victim down and brought him down. Once he was on the ground, thenthey proceeded to beat him with a metal pole and a cricket bat. They didn't do what they did under immediate threat to life or limb.

And I think we should operate under the assumption that the robber is along the lines of a vegetable or else this makes NO sense whatsoever.snowman6251

Considering that it said that his condition made him unable to enter a plea, I'm assuming that that is probably a safe bet.

Man, I was disappointed with 2012, went and saw it last night.

It was pretty cheesy imo, but I guess it was alright. I just feel it had a lot of bad acting, or writing.

[spoiler] Like when the wife's new boyfriend/husband dies in the hydraulic cogs, she basically goes right back to her husband (John Cusack or whatever). It's right after the part that's supposed to be emotional, and not leaving these people behind to die, but she still manages to just forget about the dude being dead. What a skank! [/spoiler]

I mean there parts through out the entire move, but that one in particular was just dumb to me. Great special effects though.

Anyone see Armored yet? I thought that looked pretty cool. I can't wait for Avatar though, that looks sweet.

Man, I was disappointed with 2012, went and saw it last night.

It was pretty cheesy imo, but I guess it was alright. I just feel it had a lot of bad acting, or writing.danger_ranger95

[QUOTE="danger_ranger95"]Man, I was disappointed with 2012, went and saw it last night.

It was pretty cheesy imo, but I guess it was alright. I just feel it had a lot of bad acting, or writing.JordanElek

lol I gotcha

I mean, I liked it... but yeah, maybe I was taking it too seriously. If that's what the director tried doing, I can agree with that. It was good, but there were a lot of "WTF" moments to me too lol. It was definitely over the top, especially every single time they got in to a plane. OHHHHHHH NOEZ!" "I'm not a pilot, quit saying I'm a pilot!" lol

I think the best part was where Woody Harrilson watched the "eruption." I didn't even know he was in the movie tbh.

Yeah, I agree.... it is funny how that works.

On a side note..... I wonder if this means that White People will get (sometimes) free education if this comes true?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091216/ap_on_go_ot/us_white_minority

I can't wait to say.... "you don't like me cause I'm white!" My girlfriend would kill me haha. I'd be 66 years old if I made it that far. I hope to see that day come to fruition

Hello, this is littleyoungster. I'm the real littleyoungster.I know HipYoungster42 in real life, and he called me about what happened. i just camehere because he wanted to continue the conversation, mainly with GabuEX. this is what he e-mailed me about his beliefs in order to show you.

When the Jews disbelieved Jesus' Messiahship, that resulted in his death from the Romans. If they had believed in him, he wouldn't have been turned in to the Romans, and could've lived a much longer life where he died from old age, and have been able to complete his mission as the Messiah. Because the Jews disbelieved in him, and were the result of Jesus' death, they had to pay some sort of indemnity. Now, it was never planned that the indemnity would take the form of the Holocaust; the required indemnity could be some much more peaceful event. However, because Hitler persecuted the Jews so much, Jesus took their suffering and claimed it as the required indemnity condition. By that, I mean that because the Jews had suffered so much through no fault of their own, God looked upon this mass suffering and decided that the Jews had learned their lesson. He subsequently decided that the indemnity was paid, and the Jews were free from their debt.

im going to remain neutral in this argument you 2 seem to be having.

littleyoungster

Uh, ill tell him what you said in an e-mail. ill try to get back with you with whathe said later.

Yeah, I agree.... it is funny how that works.

On a side note..... I wonder if this means that White People will get (sometimes) free education if this comes true?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091216/ap_on_go_ot/us_white_minority

I can't wait to say.... "you don't like me cause I'm white!" My girlfriend would kill me haha. I'd be 66 years old if I made it that far. I hope to see that day come to fruition

danger_ranger95

I don't see how or why any white person alive today (at least from our genX and millenials) should feel bad about any of the race crimes/hate. I'm dating an African American girl right now, and I hope to marry her one day... but Istill wouldn'tsay "I feel bad babe" because

1) I wasn't alive

&

2) I didn't do it.

I'm completely against anyone being racist because its wrong, but when it comes to other races still being upset (again, in our generations)... it's idiodic imo. We had nothing to do with it. I mean, I stick up for anyone of other color, especially African Americans (because of my girlfriend) and because I have very close friends. Racist people suck, and they all deserved to be fed to the crocodiles of the Nile.

That would be like being a long lost cousin of Hitler's stepsister's mother's brother's uncle related to Hitler by marriage, and feeling bad about what he did. It's terrible yes..... but should they/me apologize..... nope.

I don't see how or why any white person alive today (at least from our genX and millenials) should feel bad about any of the race crimes/hate. I'm dating an African American girl right now, and I hope to marry her one day... but I would still say "I feel bad babe" because

1) I wasn't alive

2) I didn't do it.

I'm completely against anyone being racist because its wrong, but when it comes to other races still being upset (again, in our generations)... it's idiodic imo. We had nothing to do with it. I mean, I stick up for anyone of other color, especially African Americans (because of my girlfriend) and because I have very close friends. Racist people suck, and they all deserved to be fed to the crocodiles of the Nile.

danger_ranger95

Lol at Furi Kuri (or whatever)

I saw this show on Adult Swim a few years back and didn't know what to think about it. It's a definitely a "under the influence" kind've show imo, and has meanings in it I didn't care to think about and figure out.

Many sexual things, references to shows (such as Lupin the 3rd), etc.

Great animation though. I think it was one of the first episodes, where this huge monster looked like a oldwest gunman, with a long trench coat and a hat. When it was knocked over, the coat lifted and revealed the monster's body to be a giant hand. Very creative show.... I just didn't really understand it, or again... have the time to desipher what was actually going on.

The father cracks me up though... definitely a perv

Lol at Furi Kuri (or whatever)

I saw this show on Adult Swim a few years back and didn't know what to think about it. It's a definitely a "under the influence" kind've show imo, and has meanings in it I didn't care to think about and figure out.

Many sexual things, references to shows (such as Lupin the 3rd), etc.

Great animation though. I think it was one of the first episodes, where this huge monster looked like a oldwest gunman, with a long trench coat and a hat. When it was knocked over, the coat lifted and revealed the monster's body to be a giant hand. Very creative show.... I just didn't really understand it, or again... have the time to desipher what was actually going on.

The father cracks me up though... definitely a perv

danger_ranger95

it pisses me off to no end that a victim of a crime can be even further victimized by the law. If those guys hadn't come into his house in the first place nothing bad would have happened to him. snowman6251

Regardless though of whether he was right or wrong, I align myself with the victim. I honestly don't think he deserved prison and certainly not 2.5 years. I dunno maybe make him pay the medical bill (he was rich) or something but taking away 2.5 years of his life for responding too violently in the face of violence seems horribly unjust to me.snowman6251

I also align myself with the victim. The Millionaire gets a sentence of 2.5 years of vacation in a low-security prison full of white-collar criminals. The robber gets a lifetime sentence of being severely mentally handicapped. He was so brain-damaged by the attack that he couldn't enter a plea of guilty or not guilty and was judged incapable of standing trial.

You tell me which is worse. Having 2.5 years of your life "taken away" by not being able to leave a low-security prison (outfitted with a library, books, computers, video game systems, exercise equipment, sports equipment, etc.) or spending the rest of your life severely brain-damaged that you are completely unaware of what's going on around you and you can't possibly hold down a proper job or drive a car or get married and have children, etc. So which is worse?

Yeah Snow, you're being ridiculous. 2.5 years is nothing. The robber, meanwhile, has a life sentence.

Hell, even being stuck in prison for the rest of your life is still better than being severely handicapped.

If he had ended up in a courthouse prior any injury I wouldn't have sentenced him to permanent brain damage or anything remotely of that nature. Time in jail would suffice. However any ill that came his way while blatantly harming others just strikes me as being his own fault. He did something dumb, and paid a high price.snowman6251

I don't see how you couldn't say the same thing about the millionaire. He beat an unconscious man and gave him brain damage, and now he's been sent to jail. Why is the robber the only one responsible for his actions?

[QUOTE="snowman6251"]If he had ended up in a courthouse prior any injury I wouldn't have sentenced him to permanent brain damage or anything remotely of that nature. Time in jail would suffice. However any ill that came his way while blatantly harming others just strikes me as being his own fault. He did something dumb, and paid a high price.GabuEx

I don't see how you couldn't say the same thing about the millionaire. He beat an unconscious man and gave him brain damage, and now he's been sent to jail. Why is the robber the only one responsible for his actions?

Well first of all I genuinely believe he did it to protect his family and I guess that's just a cause I can sympathize with. I'm rather territorial in a lot of ways. Having people come into my room without my explicit consent REALLY bothers me so I guess I can see the mentality of his space being invaded with hostility and him going out of his way to defend it.snowman6251

In what way does tackling to the ground a man who is running away, then beating him until he loses consciousness, then continuing to beat him until he gets a fractured skull and brain damage, protect your family? The judge said that nothing he did in his home was what he was being prosecuted for; what he was being prosecuted for is the fact that he subsequently chased down the person and beat him so savagely and unnecessarily.

I guess I just don't think the millionaire should be held accountable because I don't think he really did anything wrong.snowman6251

That's not the point. You say "well, if the robber didn't want to get brain damage, he shouldn't have robbed the guy's house". Why, then, can we not say, "well, if the millionaire didn't want to go to jail, he shouldn't have given a man brain damage"?

However any ill that came his way while blatantly harming others just strikes me as being his own fault. He did something dumb, and paid a high price.snowman6251

I think he went overboard but given the context of the situation I can't disagree with his retaliation.snowman6251

Well there you go.

You agree that he went too far. Meaning, he did something he shouldn't have. Meaning, he deserved a sentence.

He's not getting a life sentence in a maximum security prison like someone would if they planned it or went overboard intentionally. He's getting a mere 2.5 years.

And your analogy of the drunk driver is stupid. Those are completely different situations. He's not defending his family, he's going out of his way to attack this guy when he was no longer a threat. If you don't see the difference there I don't know what to say.

Finished Furi Kuri. Don't know exactly (or at all really) what the hell it was, but I enjoyed it. snowman6251

And that's the important part.

[spoiler] It's about a space fugitive teaching a japanese child how to cope with his brother's success as a baseball player in America by teaching him the birds and the bees. [/spoiler]

Because comparing Japanese things to American things is silly.

I love that I didn't have to try to chime in on two parts. (Jaysonguy is credit to team!)...make that three.

A man is running in a garden. Four men, four rich men, follow him through this garden that does not belong to them. The rich men attack the running man from behind. The running man was attacked while his back was turned. The four rich men pin the man to the ground in someone else's yard.

Once the four rich men have the man pinned down, they proceed to gang-beat him in someone else's yard. They kick him while he's laying on the ground with his hands up to protect his face. They bash at his brain with a cricket bat. They bash his head repeatedly with the bat. They beat his body with a hockey stick.

A scared woman nearby cries and pleads with the four rich men to stop beating the man because she's afraid they're going to kill him. She lives on the property where the rich men had decided to beat up the man. The woman begs them to stop. The rich men ignore her. She is so afraid of what she sees. She saw men turned into a pack of animals. She is too afraid to intervene. The four men punch, kick, and beat the man lying on the ground to the point that he's nearly dead. The four rich men then leave him to die. The man lies on the ground unconscious, bleeding out, with multiple bone fractures and a skull fracture, surrounded by a large pool of his own blood until the woman calls for help.

Oh ya, and by the way, that guy was a robber.

A man is running in a garden. Four men, four rich men, follow him through this garden that does not belong to them. The rich men attack the running man from behind. The running man was attacked while his back was turned. The four rich men pin the man to the ground in someone else's yard.

Once the four rich men had the man pinned down, the proceed to gang-beat him in someone else's yard. They kicked him while he lay on the ground with his hands up to protect his face. They bashed at his brain with a cricket bat. They bashed his head repeatedly with the bat. They beat his body with a hockey stick.

A scared woman nearby cried and pleaded with the four rich men to stop beating the man. The lived on the property where the rich men had decided to beat up the man. The woman begged them to stop. The rich men ignored her. She was so afraid of what she saw. She saw men turned into a pack of animals. She was too afraid to intervene. The four men punched, kicked, and beat the man lying on the ground to the point that he nearly died. The four rich men left him to die. The man lay on the ground unconscious, bleeding out, with multiple bone fractures and a skull fracture, surrounded by a large pool of his own blood until the woman called help for him.

Oh ya, and by the way, that guy was a robber.

clicketyclick

Did the robber threaten to kill the rich men, their wives, and their children?snowman6251

And it's clear that when he was attacked, he posed absolutely no threat.

Death threats are only relevant if you believe them and believe your life to be in imminent danger. That is not the case here. That's why it's irrelevant. That's why I tried to get you to focus on the nature of the attack rather than irrelevant details that are leading you astray.

You guys make some good points but I still side with the Millionaire. I really just don't think he was in the wrong. Even if it boils down to straight up revenge I still want to side with him because of the situation he was thrown into. I guess I see the robber's fate as a result of his own actions rather than the millionaire's because he was the instigator of the whole thing. He started the scenario with the break in and the millionaire's beating came as a result. From the beginning the millionaire had no choice as to his involvement in the ordeal. The robber did. The millionaire could have responded better but I really just want to side with him because I feel like his hand was forced. What you have succeeded in is making me feel a little sorry for the robber but I still don't feel the millionaire was wrong.snowman6251

His hand was forced?

Did he drag the millionaire out into the yard?

Did he provide the bat and put it in the millionaire's hand?

Was the millionaire's family going to die if he didn't continue beating the man until he had a fractured skull and brain damage?

Here's what the millionaire could have done: lock the door and call the police. Once the people were running away, they were no longer posing a clear and immediate threat. Beating a man half to death who was running away from you is not self-defense under any reasonable definition of the term.

From the beginning the millionaire had no choice as to his involvement in the ordeal. The robber did.snowman6251

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]FluffeeTalks puts it best regarding that story. I love him :)bob_newman