Was I the only customer that was somewhat suprised? Is this the Wii's limits?

It doesn't take a long look at the Wii to realize that Nintendo clearly went of in a different direction that the other two. Hell just look at the name. I can see that Nintendo was not intending their console to be a powerhouse; they wanted it to be more for the casual or social gamer... but WTF! I've never been one to slam graphics so long as they aren't totally subpar. But some of the stuff I've seen is borderline hideous! Sorry for the !s. I'm not meaning to bash the Wii. Please don't get me wrong. It is a good console for its owne reasons. But if not only as a matter of pride you'd think they'd try to make something respectable looking. I've played Wii play, Wii sports, NFS: Carbon, and Raving Rabbids. They are all very fun games but is this really the limits of the Wii as far as graphics? I know you need little time to learn the ins and outs of console. Please. Pleasse. PLEASE don't get me wrong. I have not dismissed the Wii. I will continue to play it and look for good games because I love playing it. I'm just wondering if anybody else was disappointed as well because if they were, I haven't heard anything.

Yea I suppose. I played that game at Gamestop it looked marginally better. I just feel like I've seen better stuff from my old Xbox.

Yea I suppose. I played that game at Gamestop it looked marginally better. I just feel like I've seen better stuff from my old Xbox.

isthisnametakn

It's because you HAVE. Keep in mind, however, that despite the fact that current Wii games don't look so impressive yet, the Wii IS indeed at least as powerful as the XBOX. So,yeah, what we're seeing is the result of lazy devs.

It doesn't take a long look at the Wii to realize that Nintendo clearly went of in a different direction that the other two. Hell just look at the name. I can see that Nintendo was not intending their console to be a powerhouse; they wanted it to be more for the casual or social gamer... but WTF! I've never been one to slam graphics so long as they aren't totally subpar. But some of the stuff I've seen is borderline hideous! Sorry for the !s. I'm not meaning to bash the Wii. Please don't get me wrong. It is a good console for its owne reasons. But if not only as a matter of pride you'd think they'd try to make something respectable looking. I've played Wii play, Wii sports, NFS: Carbon, and Raving Rabbids. They are all very fun games but is this really the limits of the Wii as far as graphics? I know you need little time to learn the ins and outs of console. Please. Pleasse. PLEASE don't get me wrong. I have not dismissed the Wii. I will continue to play it and look for good games because I love playing it. I'm just wondering if anybody else was disappointed as well because if they were, I haven't heard anything.

isthisnametakn

The Wii's limit has not been reached at all, i mean look at mario galaxy and smash bros. The games you are talking about are launch titles, look at launch games from any system and you will see that they look horrible compared to games later in the consoles life cycles. The Wii is a souped up Xbox graphically.

twilight princess looked pretty awesome, and the fact that the graphics s*** is due to developers releasing ports of ps2 (or other console) games onto the wii. i do agree that more needs to be done about the graphics and that from what has been seen the wii is very far behind the 360 and ps3.Rebel108

Twilight Princess is a gamecube game by the way. Just shows how good games look when they reache the end of their lifecycle. Also RE4 is a good example.

[QUOTE="isthisnametakn"]

It doesn't take a long look at the Wii to realize that Nintendo clearly went of in a different direction that the other two. Hell just look at the name. I can see that Nintendo was not intending their console to be a powerhouse; they wanted it to be more for the casual or social gamer... but WTF! I've never been one to slam graphics so long as they aren't totally subpar. But some of the stuff I've seen is borderline hideous! Sorry for the !s. I'm not meaning to bash the Wii. Please don't get me wrong. It is a good console for its owne reasons. But if not only as a matter of pride you'd think they'd try to make something respectable looking. I've played Wii play, Wii sports, NFS: Carbon, and Raving Rabbids. They are all very fun games but is this really the limits of the Wii as far as graphics? I know you need little time to learn the ins and outs of console. Please. Pleasse. PLEASE don't get me wrong. I have not dismissed the Wii. I will continue to play it and look for good games because I love playing it. I'm just wondering if anybody else was disappointed as well because if they were, I haven't heard anything.

cobrax80

The Wii's limit has not been reached at all, i mean look at mario galaxy and smash bros. The games you are talking about are launch titles, look at launch games from any system and you will see that they look horrible compared to games later in the consoles life cycles. The Wii is a souped up Xbox graphically.

[QUOTE="Rebel108"]twilight princess looked pretty awesome, and the fact that the graphics s*** is due to developers releasing ports of ps2 (or other console) games onto the wii. i do agree that more needs to be done about the graphics and that from what has been seen the wii is very far behind the 360 and ps3.cobrax80

Twilight Princess is a gamecube game by the way. Just shows how good games look when they reach the end of their lifecycle. Also RE4 is a good example.

[QUOTE="cobrax80"][QUOTE="isthisnametakn"]

It doesn't take a long look at the Wii to realize that Nintendo clearly went of in a different direction that the other two. Hell just look at the name. I can see that Nintendo was not intending their console to be a powerhouse; they wanted it to be more for the casual or social gamer... but WTF! I've never been one to slam graphics so long as they aren't totally subpar. But some of the stuff I've seen is borderline hideous! Sorry for the !s. I'm not meaning to bash the Wii. Please don't get me wrong. It is a good console for its owne reasons. But if not only as a matter of pride you'd think they'd try to make something respectable looking. I've played Wii play, Wii sports, NFS: Carbon, and Raving Rabbids. They are all very fun games but is this really the limits of the Wii as far as graphics? I know you need little time to learn the ins and outs of console. Please. Pleasse. PLEASE don't get me wrong. I have not dismissed the Wii. I will continue to play it and look for good games because I love playing it. I'm just wondering if anybody else was disappointed as well because if they were, I haven't heard anything.

ZumaJones07

The Wii's limit has not been reached at all, i mean look at mario galaxy and smash bros. The games you are talking about are launch titles, look at launch games from any system and you will see that they look horrible compared to games later in the consoles life cycles. The Wii is a souped up Xbox graphically.

They are still better than Xbox graphics. You don't buy a Wii for it's graphics you know. If you want to see mario in 1080p+ then wait for Nintendo's next console.

My estimate for where the Wii will top out graphics-wise is just under the Xbox's best. So take games like Doom 3, Chronicles of Riddick, and Ninja Gaiden Black and take them one tiny step down. That is where I think we'll see the Wii top out in a year or two. I make this judgement based on the Wii's "rumored" specs in comparison to the Xbox's. Most notable is the Wii's lack of pixel shaders.

However, many people use the excuse that we are early on in the Wii's life cycle and developers have yet to understand the Wii hardware. This argument falls apart for two reasons.

1. The Wii is by all accounts just an overclocked GameCube, so developers are already well aware of how its hardware works. There is no learning curve to overcome like there is with the other consoles, so there is theoretically nothing keeping developers from reaching the Wii's full graphical potential already.
2. On consoles that are relatively easy to develop for, launch or near-launch games do not look that bad compared to later efforts. Case in point: Rogue Leader was a GC launch game, and Dead or Alive 3 was an Xbox launch game. Both of these launch games are among the best-looking games on their respective consoles.

I think I remember reading somewhere that we've only seen 30% of the Wii's graphical power. However I have no link or proof of this. The games that you've played though are not meant to be visually impressive. Mario Galaxy, RE4, RE:UC, MP3 and SSBB should look great and set a good standardLProjektST

if what ur saying is ture than the wi can have amazing graphics because i think tps graphics were great and if that is only 30% imagine 100% 

My estimate for where the Wii will top out graphics-wise is just under the Xbox's best. So take games like Doom 3, Chronicles of Riddick, and Ninja Gaiden Black and take them one tiny step down. That is where I think we'll see the Wii top out in a year or two. I make this judgement based on the Wii's "rumored" specs in comparison to the Xbox's. Most notable is the Wii's lack of pixel shaders.

However, many people use the excuse that we are early on in the Wii's life cycle and developers have yet to understand the Wii hardware. This argument falls apart for two reasons.

1. The Wii is by all accounts just an overclocked GameCube, so developers are already well aware of how its hardware works. There is no learning curve to overcome like there is with the other consoles, so there is theoretically nothing keeping developers from reaching the Wii's full graphical potential already.
2. On consoles that are relatively easy to develop for, launch or near-launch games do not look that bad compared to later efforts. Case in point: Rogue Leader was a GC launch game, and Dead or Alive 3 was an Xbox launch game. Both of these launch games are among the best-looking games on their respective consoles.

RyanWare

When IGN talked to developers they clearly said it's more powerful than the Xbox, have you seen SSBB and Mario Galaxy. They look better than many xbox titles. It all depends on how good and skilled developers are. It also depends on how much time they have ect.

heres what happened

Wii came out

Wii sold a lot of units

Companys said We need a game on that system now

Company rushes game, game looks like crap

basicly its going to be some time before we see great looking games but there on the way. look at sceens for Super Mario Galexy the look great. As far as graphics go however I dont care, sure games on ps3 and 360 do look great but to me they just dont look like fun (for someone else yes and I say enjoy but for me I pefer to wait for more great games for the wii)

[QUOTE="RyanWare"]

My estimate for where the Wii will top out graphics-wise is just under the Xbox's best. So take games like Doom 3, Chronicles of Riddick, and Ninja Gaiden Black and take them one tiny step down. That is where I think we'll see the Wii top out in a year or two. I make this judgement based on the Wii's "rumored" specs in comparison to the Xbox's. Most notable is the Wii's lack of pixel shaders.

However, many people use the excuse that we are early on in the Wii's life cycle and developers have yet to understand the Wii hardware. This argument falls apart for two reasons.

1. The Wii is by all accounts just an overclocked GameCube, so developers are already well aware of how its hardware works. There is no learning curve to overcome like there is with the other consoles, so there is theoretically nothing keeping developers from reaching the Wii's full graphical potential already.
2. On consoles that are relatively easy to develop for, launch or near-launch games do not look that bad compared to later efforts. Case in point: Rogue Leader was a GC launch game, and Dead or Alive 3 was an Xbox launch game. Both of these launch games are among the best-looking games on their respective consoles.

cobrax80

When IGN talked to developers they clearly said it's more powerful than the Xbox, have you seen SSBB and Mario Galaxy. They look better than many xbox titles. It all depends on how good and skilled developers are. It also depends on how much time they have ect.

I don't recall any developer saying the Wii is "clearly" more powerful than the Wii, but rather that it does some things better than the Xbox. And it certainly does - it has a faster processor, a faster GPU, more RAM... it is more advanced than the Xbox in many ways. In terms of pure polygon pushing power, the Wii crushes the Xbox (hell, even the GC held its own against the Xbox). Its only drawback is that, being based on GC hardware, the Wii lacks programmable pixels shaders which are what made games like Doom 3 and Riddick possible on Xbox and impossible on GameCube. So with the Wii lacking this key feature, I don't think it's likely we'll see many Wii games with the graphical umph of the best Xbox had to offer. The days of pure polygons are over - pixel shaders are what make modern (and Xbox) games look so stunning.

[QUOTE="cobrax80"][QUOTE="RyanWare"]

My estimate for where the Wii will top out graphics-wise is just under the Xbox's best. So take games like Doom 3, Chronicles of Riddick, and Ninja Gaiden Black and take them one tiny step down. That is where I think we'll see the Wii top out in a year or two. I make this judgement based on the Wii's "rumored" specs in comparison to the Xbox's. Most notable is the Wii's lack of pixel shaders.

However, many people use the excuse that we are early on in the Wii's life cycle and developers have yet to understand the Wii hardware. This argument falls apart for two reasons.

1. The Wii is by all accounts just an overclocked GameCube, so developers are already well aware of how its hardware works. There is no learning curve to overcome like there is with the other consoles, so there is theoretically nothing keeping developers from reaching the Wii's full graphical potential already.
2. On consoles that are relatively easy to develop for, launch or near-launch games do not look that bad compared to later efforts. Case in point: Rogue Leader was a GC launch game, and Dead or Alive 3 was an Xbox launch game. Both of these launch games are among the best-looking games on their respective consoles.

RyanWare

When IGN talked to developers they clearly said it's more powerful than the Xbox, have you seen SSBB and Mario Galaxy. They look better than many xbox titles. It all depends on how good and skilled developers are. It also depends on how much time they have ect.

I don't recall any developer saying the Wii is "clearly" more powerful than the Wii, but rather that it does some things better than the Xbox. And it certainly does - it has a faster processor, a faster GPU, more RAM... it is more advanced than the Xbox in many ways. In terms of pure polygon pushing power, the Wii crushes the Xbox (hell, even the GC held its own against the Xbox). Its only drawback is that, being based on GC hardware, the Wii lacks programmable pixels shaders which are what made games like Doom 3 and Riddick possible on Xbox and impossible on GameCube. So with the Wii lacking this key feature, I don't think it's likely we'll see many Wii games with the graphical umph of the best Xbox had to offer. The days of pure polygons are over - pixel shaders are what make modern (and Xbox) games look so stunning.

Good graphical effects can be achieved without that you know, There are still ways of making great looking games. looking at the better looking of the Wii games they already look better than plenty of Xbox games at this early stage in the Wii's lifecycle and that is good enough for me.

some of the games for the wii are good and some are bad but people dont buy nintendo for the graphics they buy.

I'd like to end this semi-argument:

1. Wii is more powerful than Xbox. It's faster, has more RAM, can do most if not all that Xbox can do and is overall a step above Xbox.

2. Launch titles are rushed as hell. The reason you're seeing horrid visuals is because developers are spending 8 months or less porting it to wii and shipping it out. This'll continue until about half-way through the year.

3. While it's true that Wii has farmiliar technoology to work with, it's just means to developers that they can produce half-arsed visuals quicker - it still takes time to produce good visuals.

4. No matter what the console, the best looking games usually aren't released in the first year.  

"do NOT mean anything"

sorry for the double post

[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"][QUOTE="cobrax80"][QUOTE="isthisnametakn"]

It doesn't take a long look at the Wii to realize that Nintendo clearly went of in a different direction that the other two. Hell just look at the name. I can see that Nintendo was not intending their console to be a powerhouse; they wanted it to be more for the casual or social gamer... but WTF! I've never been one to slam graphics so long as they aren't totally subpar. But some of the stuff I've seen is borderline hideous! Sorry for the !s. I'm not meaning to bash the Wii. Please don't get me wrong. It is a good console for its owne reasons. But if not only as a matter of pride you'd think they'd try to make something respectable looking. I've played Wii play, Wii sports, NFS: Carbon, and Raving Rabbids. They are all very fun games but is this really the limits of the Wii as far as graphics? I know you need little time to learn the ins and outs of console. Please. Pleasse. PLEASE don't get me wrong. I have not dismissed the Wii. I will continue to play it and look for good games because I love playing it. I'm just wondering if anybody else was disappointed as well because if they were, I haven't heard anything.

cobrax80

The Wii's limit has not been reached at all, i mean look at mario galaxy and smash bros. The games you are talking about are launch titles, look at launch games from any system and you will see that they look horrible compared to games later in the consoles life cycles. The Wii is a souped up Xbox graphically.

They are still better than Xbox graphics. You don't buy a Wii for it's graphics you know. If you want to see mario in 1080p+ then wait for Nintendo's next console.

I've yet to see that FC Vengeance game in person. I was kind of a fan of the Xbox versions. Would it be a horrible mistake to buy it. Is it really as bad as everyone says it is?isthisnametakn

Don't even think about it. 

I've seen in a site that LoZ:TP uses 1/6 power of the Wii's hardware. Forgot where was it.lordlors

I really don't doubt it. Nintendo really can't expect us to pay $250 and give us something that looks worst than last generation's weakest console's launch titles. Sure, Red Steel was the only launch game that actually used the Wii dev kit and it looked pretty good for being rushed. Oh well, let the haters hate, Super Mario Galaxy and Metroid will look glorious and everyone will know it. Fanboys will still say the graphics suck but you can't change that.

...I've played Wii play, Wii sports, NFS: Carbon, and Raving Rabbids...

isthisnametakn

The fact that you're judging the Wii's graphics on these four games, 2 of which are tech demos, one of which is a mini game compilation, and the other is developed by EA I believe (meaning they want quick money without spending time to make the product good) tells me that you have no idea what you're talking about! I know you kept saying you are not dissing the Wii, but honestly, to judge the Wii's graphics capabilites on those four games is terrible. If you wanted to judge the graphics, get something like Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, a game that actually took TIME to make (heh, a lot of time!) and then realize that Zelda is only a first generation title. There will be better, you just have to wait. Yes, it wont be nearly as good as the 360 or PS3 but I don't think any of us expected that.

Well again, it's not all abou tth e'power' of the system, but the software also.  Ninteno uses TEV's to program special effects for example, and they have stock TEV code that gives you certain effects, but it is fully expandable in terms of making new effects, as well as the TEV options have been increased since the cube... what that means is that the Wii has better capability for develoeprs to use that were not available in the GC, regardless of the extra boost in CPU power.

This time next year, there will be much more variety of games coming out, and this isnt just hapening with graphics.  You see developers rushing to get games out so they can start making money on the system, and the games look like *ss since they were rushed, but soon they will be better quality, the same is with the controls.  Most games out right now don't take full use of the remote's capabilities.

I think the system will do just fine, and will keep people hooked with killer games coming soon.

Take a look at these games:

Red Steel has impressive graphics. I am used to playing nice looking games on my 360 and pc, but red steel looked good to me. The problem is it might have looked to good for the Wii. I think the Wii was struggling with that game, and that might be partly why the controls are glitchy. It seemed like it was do to lag.

They should stick with more cartoony cool looking graphics, Like zelda, and bring in some time crisis type graphics. Shoot time crisis on the ps2 still looks cool.

[QUOTE="cobrax80"][QUOTE="ZumaJones07"][QUOTE="cobrax80"][QUOTE="isthisnametakn"]

It doesn't take a long look at the Wii to realize that Nintendo clearly went of in a different direction that the other two. Hell just look at the name. I can see that Nintendo was not intending their console to be a powerhouse; they wanted it to be more for the casual or social gamer... but WTF! I've never been one to slam graphics so long as they aren't totally subpar. But some of the stuff I've seen is borderline hideous! Sorry for the !s. I'm not meaning to bash the Wii. Please don't get me wrong. It is a good console for its owne reasons. But if not only as a matter of pride you'd think they'd try to make something respectable looking. I've played Wii play, Wii sports, NFS: Carbon, and Raving Rabbids. They are all very fun games but is this really the limits of the Wii as far as graphics? I know you need little time to learn the ins and outs of console. Please. Pleasse. PLEASE don't get me wrong. I have not dismissed the Wii. I will continue to play it and look for good games because I love playing it. I'm just wondering if anybody else was disappointed as well because if they were, I haven't heard anything.

tomarlyn

The Wii's limit has not been reached at all, i mean look at mario galaxy and smash bros. The games you are talking about are launch titles, look at launch games from any system and you will see that they look horrible compared to games later in the consoles life cycles. The Wii is a souped up Xbox graphically.

They are still better than Xbox graphics. You don't buy a Wii for it's graphics you know. If you want to see mario in 1080p+ then wait for Nintendo's next console.

I know that already, i was just making a point. And rogue leader just shows what can be done when you push a system to it's limits. Imagine the Wii at it's full potential.

It doesn't take a long look at the Wii to realize that Nintendo clearly went of in a different direction that the other two. Hell just look at the name. I can see that Nintendo was not intending their console to be a powerhouse; they wanted it to be more for the casual or social gamer... but WTF! I've never been one to slam graphics so long as they aren't totally subpar. But some of the stuff I've seen is borderline hideous! Sorry for the !s. I'm not meaning to bash the Wii. Please don't get me wrong. It is a good console for its owne reasons. But if not only as a matter of pride you'd think they'd try to make something respectable looking. I've played Wii play, Wii sports, NFS: Carbon, and Raving Rabbids. They are all very fun games but is this really the limits of the Wii as far as graphics? I know you need little time to learn the ins and outs of console. Please. Pleasse. PLEASE don't get me wrong. I have not dismissed the Wii. I will continue to play it and look for good games because I love playing it. I'm just wondering if anybody else was disappointed as well because if they were, I haven't heard anything.

isthisnametakn

The ignorance is strong in this post.  You do realize that not a single Wii game released to this date was developed on Wii hardware.  Third party games with the exception of Red Steel, Madden, Sonic, Super Monkey ball, where made on PS2 hardware. All first and Second party gamew where made on GameCube hardware.  You won't see Wii games built from the ground up on Wii hardware until the end of summer.  Scarface the World is yours is coming out in mid summer and that game was built on Xbox hardware and according to the developer the Wii version is a step up in graphics.  

So do us a favor and stop making ignorant posts. 

[QUOTE="isthisnametakn"]

...I've played Wii play, Wii sports, NFS: Carbon, and Raving Rabbids...

ParkCarsHere

The fact that you're judging the Wii's graphics on these four games, 2 of which are tech demos, one of which is a mini game compilation, and the other is developed by EA I believe (meaning they want quick money without spending time to make the product good) tells me that you have no idea what you're talking about! I know you kept saying you are not dissing the Wii, but honestly, to judge the Wii's graphics capabilites on those four games is terrible. If you wanted to judge the graphics, get something like Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, a game that actually took TIME to make (heh, a lot of time!) and then realize that Zelda is only a first generation title. There will be better, you just have to wait. Yes, it wont be nearly as good as the 360 or PS3 but I don't think any of us expected that.

I mentioned the games I was playing so that people know what I've seen. I don't claim to be an expert on the Wii, hence I made this thread. I just wanted people to be able to know whether or not I've seen the high or low quality games.

The condesention is strong in this one.

[QUOTE="isthisnametakn"]

It doesn't take a long look at the Wii to realize that Nintendo clearly went of in a different direction that the other two. Hell just look at the name. I can see that Nintendo was not intending their console to be a powerhouse; they wanted it to be more for the casual or social gamer... but WTF! I've never been one to slam graphics so long as they aren't totally subpar. But some of the stuff I've seen is borderline hideous! Sorry for the !s. I'm not meaning to bash the Wii. Please don't get me wrong. It is a good console for its owne reasons. But if not only as a matter of pride you'd think they'd try to make something respectable looking. I've played Wii play, Wii sports, NFS: Carbon, and Raving Rabbids. They are all very fun games but is this really the limits of the Wii as far as graphics? I know you need little time to learn the ins and outs of console. Please. Pleasse. PLEASE don't get me wrong. I have not dismissed the Wii. I will continue to play it and look for good games because I love playing it. I'm just wondering if anybody else was disappointed as well because if they were, I haven't heard anything.

Ichiroisawsome

The ignorance is strong in this post.  You do realize that not a single Wii game released to this date was developed on Wii hardware.  Third party games with the exception of Red Steel, Madden, Sonic, Super Monkey ball, where made on PS2 hardware. All first and Second party gamew where made on GameCube hardware.  You won't see Wii games built from the ground up on Wii hardware until the end of summer.  Scarface the World is yours is coming out in mid summer and that game was built on Xbox hardware and according to the developer the Wii version is a step up in graphics.  

So do us a favor and stop making ignorant posts. 

Yea... ignorance. Why do you think I made this thread? To ask questions perhaps? Hell no! I just wanna bash Nintendo because that's the kind of arrogant a$$hole I am! Jesus man, use that one good synaps that you do have and you could tell by context that I am well aware of my lack of knowledge!

So stop and read the post before you label me some anti Nintendo fanboy!

the great game selection and the intelligence and awesome features of the wii make up for the graphics

Take a look at these games:

 

Yeah, WiiPlay, WiiSports and Need for Speed Carbon is totally using the Wii's graphical capabilities to their full potential. :roll:Litchie

WHoa...:shock: