Wii U isn't that underpowered

The power gap between Wii U and PS4 isn't as large as the gap between PS3 and Wii.

The original Wii was barely more powerful than a GameCube and didn't get any multiplatform games, but developers still supported it. People shouldn't expect Nintendo systems to get multiplatform games with the power they have. Developers can make games for any platform if they think outside the box. The original Wii proved that.

I swear to Christ....

Yes it is underpowered by a ton

Also this line "think outside the box" is pure bullshit

Here's a newsflash, in the real world people don't do extra work with nothing in return.

Explain to me why anyone is going to spend more man hours working on something that will give them less return than working less hours on something more profitable?

I'm eagerly awaiting your answer.

Them developers too busy making indie type and mobiles games now, look at PS4, 90% shovelware. PS3 had awesome third party support, sooo many great games, now?, gone like the wind.

The WiiU graphics do look great but the graphics for the PS4/X1 are better. Most of the 3rd party companies don't want to make games for it because the WiiU is not as strong as the PS4/X1.

@GameboyTroy: Wii U can run MGS5, GTA5, Persona 5, and many more, its not about power, its all about money. Nintendo must first release a console that can match all graphical, then they must build up a graphics loving fan base, then more PC mulitplats will come.

While it's true the current gap is smaller than last gen's, there will never be the same kind of support as there was for Wii. The biggest reason is the small install base of the Wii U. On top of that, Wii U games cost much more to make than Wii games did. Like you said before, Wii games were basically using Gamecube hardware which was much cheaper and easier to develop for. Back in gen 6, game that sold more than 200,000 copies was generally considered a hit. For PS360, most games needed to sell over 1,000,000 copies just to break even.

@mesome713: Wow, you're fast. They didn't put MGS5 or GTA5 on the WiiU but they put them the PS3 and 360 only because they thought they would sell badly on the WiiU. Yes it was about the money.

Third party companies could try to make games that sell well based on the merits of fun gameplay instead of install base. Fun gameplay is not the same thing as costly high power dependent games.

@mesome713: 90% shovelware? All about graphics? You don't own a ps4 or xbox one.

Because wiis flew off the shelves and remained popular for years- publishers flock to a console with sales. It had decdnt support til like 2010 then it died.

Wii u hasn't flown off the shelves since it's initial launch in 2012.

Its one of the reasons why i dont. My brother has a PS4, i play it sometimes before we start parting on his Wii U.

But there's still a big gap, even if Wii U has stunning looking games developers would still have to put a lot of work into downsizing games like the Witcher 3, and then the game would end up selling much worse than the other versions anyway. Nintendo could've easily made a stronger console with a decent cpu and twice the gpu juice, but they had their heads in the sand.

A lot of 3rd parties wanted in on the Wii because of its install base, Wii U doesn't have that, or a *good* unique controller like Wii (the gamepad is just a detached second screen ala DS).

I prefer my console to be under-powered somewhat. It means that it's harder to sneak bad gameplay past with pretty visuals. For example, consoles that over-value visuals attract games like The Order.

Hell, the other consoles are underpowered. WiiU doesn't even register.

@mesome713: wii has had more shovelware than anything else this year: mario party 10; kirby and the rainbow curse, mario vs donkey kong tipping stars it's only good releases have been Splatoon and mario maker.

Compared to metal gear solid, the wircher 3, bloodborne, dying light, batman arkham knight, and soon fallout 4, rainbow six siege, need for speed, battlefront....with wii us only big title being xenoblade.

@jcrame10: I think you might want to check the term for shovelware, nobody has come close to PS4 so far. And sorry, i rather have just one of those Nintendo games instead of all the others. Matter of fact, i have Kirby, Mario Maker, and Splatoon when i could be playing Withcer 3, MGS5, Dying Light, and could be playing Fallout, but guess what, i already bought Yoshi Woolly World, Zelda Tri-Force Heroes, Yo-Kai Watch, and Xenoblade Chronicles, so my plate is a little full, been busy playing Splatoon, Kirby, and Mario Maker for so long i forgot about my PC gaming.

@mesome713: different tastes. But kirby, mario vs donkey kong, and mario partys 10 reviews were about as good as the orders.

i really dont know many who would prefer those games over witcher, mgs, or fallout, but to each his own.

@jcrame10: Umm, those games are rated much higher then The Order. You dont know who would prefer Mario Maker, Splatoon, Kirby, and Mario Party over those? How bout people who like party games? People who like coop games? People who like team based online games? or people who like creative level games? Sure if you like story games you might enjoy those you listed, but not everyone does.

Your taste in games is incredibly juvenile.

Also let's face facts here. The only reason the PS3 and 360 have ports of games is because there's more than half a decade of software that makes it easy. It's not like these teams are taking any real time or effort putting these games out. It's a completely different situation than the Wii U.

Yes, the Wii U is that underpowered. Deal with it.

Why is my taste juvenile? Cause i dont like to play games that were clearly writtin for teens much? Atleast Nintendo games are aimed at all ages, even 20s, 30s, 40,s 70s, and 90 year olds.

Thats cause Wii U was smart and designed the system to upscale the Wii games to 1080p, for free. You wont find me complaining though, i love when companies oversaturate their market. I say release more ports, more remasters, more indies, more mobile, release it all, Nintendo will just watch from afar.

I don't think the Wii-U being under-powered is the main issue. The Wii-U having gimmicks which weren't really utilized all that much anyway, and having limited developer support are much larger issues.

The sad thing here is that, had Nintendo released the Wii-U as a traditional console - with a normal controller, no tablet, no gimmicks... And with only as much power as it has now... I think it would have actually sold better and had a better library by now. Nintendo would have spent a little more time focusing on the games they released so far for the system, and its better performance would have attracted more third-party devs.

@mesome713 From Afar?

You really have no clue what you're talking about do you... MGS V minimum cpu requirements needs to clock in at about 3.4 GHz, Wii u's cpu clocks in at about 1.23 GHz... Wii u has 2 GB of RAM (1 GB of which is for System function so really 1 GB free) and MGS V need at least 4 GB... It just cant run on wii u... It would have to be downgraded really hard and no company is going to do that...

Yoshi, Kirby, Pikmin, Mario, Splatoon, etc.., are all aimed at humans ranging in age 20-90 and even younger? You are not serious, right?

One thing I will give you credit for saying very accurately: Nintendo will just watch from afar. Everyone else is moving farther on the horizon and Nintendo is looking smaller and smaller way back there.

You don't understand what resolution or upscaling means.

I'm going to pretend I didn't see you write that......

I wonder how PS3 and Xbox 360 can run it then?

I kinda agree, i also think it would have sold a little better, but i do think it would have still suffered compared to the competition. The games would be a problem though i think, people would have complained about them being rehashed a lot, but fans wouldnt have cared much. It would have been a low risk low reward in my eyes.

Dont get me wrong, i love the ideal of Nintendo going mobile, i like how they handle things. But i would like Sony and Microsoft to do more mobile to make their fans upset, would be some funny stuff. Im greedy, i want people to see what game oversaturation does, i want people to go into Walmart or Bestbuy and see 20% Remasters, 10% Ports, 10% F2P, 40% Indies, and 20% AA-AAA.

Im just kidding though, i dont actually care what they do, i just like joking about it. Im a fan of all systems, but i side with Nintendo, im a regulator by trait.

@Jaysonguy: there's no such thing as a "juvenile" taste. It's just different tastes IMO

I think you mean everyone is moving closer to the cliff, as soon as one falls, they just gonna start grabbing each other. Nintendo will be on the other side of the hill totally clueless of the reality. Blindsided by their own self interest, nobody knows what the new dawn will bring, but we know one thing, Nintendo will go asleep tonight and wake up Nintendo tomorrow.

Yeah, i shouldnt have said aimed, so many dont like it. I guess i should say, Nintendo games are accessible to all ages, and considering Japan is one of the countries featuring the oldest people in the world, we got all them ages covered. Fear of losing your memory? Try Sudoku or Brain Age. Hit that mid life crisis point? Enjoy some Super Mario Maker. Wanting an engaging team based shooter to play with your highschool mates? Hit up some Splatoon. Wanna just chill relax and have fun in your 20s? We got your Kirby covered. We got it all, come have fun under the great Sun. Tired of your wife always nagging you? Settle it in Smash.

Ill help you out, resolution is the number of pixels in each dimension that is displayed as an image. Upscaling is using a converter to convert an image to its regular native image.

Sigh....

No, you're still wrong

Wanna try one more time?

@Jaysonguy: Upscaling is using a converter to upscale a resolution of lower resolution to higher resolution using its native image.

I disagree, someone who watches nothing but Sesame Street has juvenile taste. It's not being said as an insult it's being said as that's what they have.

Someone who only plays games where there's a fair share of dismemberment everywhere would be said to have a morbid taste in games.

@Jaysonguy: it's not the same for games though. a lot of cute nintendo games are actually really challenging- donkey kong country tropical freeze for example.

And then there's just shovelware like kirby and the rainbow curse which should have been a mobile game.

@mesome713: people who like team based online games definitely aren't going to say wii U is their favorite console.

@mesome713: those games are much higher than the order?

The Order: 1886 = 5/10

Kirby and the Rainbow Curse = 5/10

Mario VS Donkey Kong Tipping Stars = 5/10

Mario Party 10 = 6/10

Nintendo specializes in platformer games, and IMO that is part of the essence of who they are. To argue about preference for platformers is similar to arguing about whether one likes apples or not. If you don’t like apples, then fine don’t eat them.

The platformer games are simply jumping or free running puzzles. The main button used is typically a jump button. Some of the platformers are run and gun with little emphasis on jumping. I really don’t see platformers as a low maturity level type of game. The simple cartoony abstract animations of typical platformers make them look deceptively simple, but they can actually be very difficult.

At one time platformers where ~1/3 of console games. No video game genre has ever been able to achieve this level of market share.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platform_game

I meant overall from metacritic. Im well aware of the poor Kirby Review.

This is incorrect. By your logic the PS4 wouldn't be able to run MGS5 because its CPU clock speed is 1.6GHZ (it does have 8 cores, though but not all of them are used in games). Efficiency is much more important in a processor than clock speed and Wii U's CPU isn't too bad in that regard.

Also it's not fair to directly compare PC requirements to a console. The FOX engine that MGS5 uses was designed to be very scalable. Kojima Productions managed to get MGS5 up and running on PS3 and Xbox 360, which frankly is nothing short of miraculous considering its scale. It runs poorly on the old consoles, but there's no reason why Wii U wouldn't be able to handle it at 720p.

@manicfoot: it would be cool to get all of the metal gear solid iDroid features on the Gamepad. The maps would also be really cool to have on it for the multiplayer.

However, The time money and resources put into that special development of the Wii U version would not be worth it because people who own other consoles will just buy the game on their preferred console. Wii U owners would not be buying it, at least not many, as so many are opposed to third party games and close minded to anything that's not a cartoon sidescroller created by nintendo, because "nintendo is the only true video game company that makes real and fun games anymore".

@jcrame10: What third party hasnt Nintendo fans bought? We buy third party like crazy, Monster Hunter is a top selling game, as many others.

@mesome713: of course, because it's an exclusive. But if it's a franchise that's not on wii u, they don't care and write it off.

Nintendo fans didn't buy any of the third party games that were there in 2012-2013- call of duty, assassins creed, watch dogs, batman, injustice, ect

I mean they took extra time making watch dogs unique with the Gamepad and it sold poorly compared to millions elsewhere.

I find it hard to believe they'd be buying fallout, mgs, witcher, arkham knight (even though those games are way better)

@jcrame10: Really?

Watchdogs wasnt well received by critics, its no surprise it didnt sell well. The games are selling ok considering the competition they face and the install base. Nintendo fans buy third party when its good and well developed, this is fact.

@mesome713: I'm guessing you don't fit into the average wii u demographic. It's not a secret most of the multiplats sold poorly on wii U compared to everything else, when honestly blacks OPs and watch dogs were more interesting with the Gamepad.

@jcrame10: Black Ops is awesome on the Gamepad, but not many had a Wii U the 1st year, Nintendo signed a deal with third party to not release no AAA Nintendo games year one to help their sells. Nintendo doing this in my opinion destroyed their sales and the future of Wii U.

@tendoboy1984: I think you mean the gap between the wii u graphics and the PS3/360 isn't that bad...because otherwise I'll have to LOL.

@mesome713: so let me get this straight.

You obviously like third party games. You own many from 2012 and 2013.

Everyone claims ps4 and xbox one is nothing but third party games.

Before you've claimed that those consoles are 90% shovelware, but this shovelware is rated higher than the third party games from before.

According to Metacritic, which seems to be your choice for reviews, the majority of third party games from 2014-2015 rate higher than the third party games from 2012-2013. But, the 2014-2015 third party games aren't on wii u.

I'm still convinced you don't like games unless they come to wii u.

I'd love to see a source for that.

I play a bunch of games, im a very diverse gamer. Only reason i havnt played The Witcher 3, MGS5, or Batman is cause i didnt like the other Batman games, im waiting for enhanced edition of The Witcher 3 and waiting to get MGS5 after Christmas when i finish some other long games i got.

Im buying NBA2K16 soon, MGS5, Dark Souls 3 and XCOM 2. Plus i bought Yoshi Woolly World, Guitar Hero Live, Xenoblade Chronicles X and these two babies.

I cant find a source yet, its been so long since i have heard i cant remember where. Someone talked about why Wii U had no big AAA Wii U games for so long after its launch.

@mesome713: what are you showing me a screenshot of? Steam?

@jcrame10: My PC games im currently playing, soon NBA2K16 will be added to the lineup.