My opinion on Hip Hop discussion on the internet

I've come to the conclussion that I can't talk seriously about hip hop with anybody who lives on the internet. Reasons? Internet frequenters can't distinguish between party/club songs, emotional tracks, traditional hip hop bragadocious tracks and just free association straight rhyming tracks. They are under the illusion that hip hop is meant to be educational and political ALL the time.

News flash, Hip Hop started with those simple party songs and evolved into the rich spectrum of subjects it covers today. Lacking any of the those subjects does not make you more of a complete artist, rather a rapper who covers or tries to cover every facete of hip hop is more complete in my opinion. That's why Lil Wayne gets so much hate, because he caters to the dreaded "mainstream" that ever so viciosly burns the skin of your anti-social internet dweeb, he spent YEARS catering to the underground with mixtapes, He has put out solid albums - basically he has done alot of types of hip hop tracks by now. Naturally his most famous ones in the mainstream are his mainstream hits.

That's why we get people saying "oh lil wayne is trash, did you hear the lyrics in lollipop? eww omg like eww". Really? well that's what gets it poppin in the clubs and on the billboard charts and its very necessary. On the other hand there's songs like something you forgot, shoot me down, hustler music, Tha Mobb, I'm me, 3peat etc. Wayne has so much material that his haters literaly focus on his party songs to criticize when the truth is thier fave artist would sacrifice a goat to have a #1 billboard topper. Its human nature, despise what you can't achieve especially when somebody else gets to it.

You fav. artist has attempted a shot at mainstream, difference is, it wasn't suscessfull. Lest I not remind you all.

My 2 cents. When you guys start interacting with real human beings then you can broaden your scope of interest and appreciate more than rappers talking about Propaganda and unicorns. My interest is so braod that I can bump Game, Nas, Wayne,Jay, Lupe, TIP, Kanye and still have fun dancing to a Soulja Boy song or just laughing at how stupid it is. Don't be like me but loosen your spanx a lil' lol. If you don't like somthing it doesn't mean people who do are idiots or you know more about hip hop than they do.

NOTE: This is not to everybody in general so don't be offended if its not you, just a few people I've seen post.

let's have another rousing debate about lil wayne!Constrobuz

Would you like a tissue?

Btw, by the internet do you mean this union?

Can you point out those people by any chance? It will this thread all that much funnier.Aljosa23

Would you like a tissue?

Btw, by the internet do you mean this union?

Foolz3h

nah I've been lurking on SOHH, posted a bit on AHH and lurked on whatever other forums cant remember em no. so no.

I was actually invited to this union.

[QUOTE="Foolz3h"]

Would you like a tissue?

Btw, by the internet do you mean this union?

GoonVSGoblin

nah I've been lurking on SOHH, posted a bit on AHH and lurked on whatever other forums cant remember em no. so no.

I was actually invited to this union.

[QUOTE="Foolz3h"]

Would you like a tissue?

Btw, by the internet do you mean this union?

GoonVSGoblin

nah I've been lurking on SOHH, posted a bit on AHH and lurked on whatever other forums cant remember em no. so no.

I was actually invited to this union.

Yes please. :)

You - man..... why do you bring up wayne constantly? anyway..nevermind i need a synopsis. ADD sucks can't read all that

GoonVSGoblin - Well sorry you couldn't read all of it. Its not really bout him, he's an example.

You - how is Kanye queer

GoonVSGoblin - Thats what they say. I dont think he is...he's emotional yeah but not queer

EDIT: cant quote u for some reason.

I've come to the conclussion that I can't talk seriously about hip hop with anybody who lives on the internet. Reasons? Internet frequenters can't distinguish between party/club songs, emotional tracks, traditional hip hop bragadocious tracks and just free association straight rhyming tracks. They are under the illusion that hip hop is meant to be educational and political ALL the time.

News flash, Hip Hop started with those simple party songs and evolved into the rich spectrum of subjects it covers today. Lacking any of the those subjects those not make you more of a complete artists, rather a rapper who covers or tries to cover every facete of hip hop is more complete in my opinion. That's why Lil Wayne gets so much hate, because he caters to the dreaded "mainstream" that ever so viciosly burns the skin of your anti-social internet dweeb, he spent YEARS catering to the underground with mixtapes, He has put out solid albums - basically he has done alot of types of hip hop tracks by now. Naturally his most famous ones in the mainstream are his mainstream hits.

That's why we get people saying "oh lil wayne is trash, did you hear the lyrics in lollipop? eww omg like eww". Really? well that's what gets it poppin in the clubs and on the billboard charts and its very necessary. On the other hand there's songs like something you forgot, shoot me down, hustler music, Tha Mobb, I'm me, 3peat etc. Wayne has so much material that his haters literaly focus on his party songs to criticize when the truth is thier fave artist would sacrifice a goat to have a #1 billboard topper. Its human nature, despise what you can't achieve especially when somebody else gets to it.

You fav. artist has attempted a shot at mainstream, difference is, it wasn't suscessfull. Lest I not remind you all.

My 2 cents. When you guys start interacting with real human beings then you can broaden your scope of interest and appreciate more than rappers talking about Propaganda and unicorns. My interest is so braod that I can bump Game, Nas, Wayne,Jay, Lupe, TIP, Kanye and still have fun dancing to a Soulja Boy song or just laughing at how stupid it is. You guys should learn. Loosen your spanx a lil' lol.

NOTE: This is not to everybody in general so don't be offended if its not you, just a few people I've seen post.

GoonVSGoblin

So if we are so up tight about quality in our taste and so biased when selecting what is classic or not etc., and really need to get in touch with the charts and what they say because they reflect reality in their popularity, whereas we union members are all just anti-social internet dweebs, then why isn't "Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em" by MC Hammer considered one of the greatest albums of all time?

I quote: "Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em is the second album by MC Hammer, released in 1990 by Capitol Records. The album was a #1 smash hit for 21 weeks, due primarily to the runaway single, "U Can't Touch This". The album was notable for sampling high-profile artists and giving some of these artists a new fanbase. "U Can't Touch This" sampled "Super Freak" by Rick James; "Dancin' Machine" sampled the Jackson 5; "Have You Seen Her" is a semi-cover of the Chi-Lites song; "Help the Children" interpolates Marvin Gaye's "Mercy Mercy Me (The Ecology)"; "Pray" and "She's Soft and Wet" sample the Prince hits "When Doves Cry" and "Soft and Wet" respectively. The album raised rap music to a new level of popularity. It was the first hip-hop album certified diamond by the RIAA for sales of over ten million, and remains among the genre's all-time best-selling albums.

Despite its enormous success, it received mixed critical reviews from people who thought it relied too much on sampling past hits and was overly pop-oriented."

You - man..... why do you bring up wayne constantly? anyway..nevermind i need a synopsis. ADD sucks can't read all that

GoonVSGoblin - Well sorry you couldn't read all of it. Its not really bout him, he's an example.

You - how is Kanye queer

GoonVSGoblin - Thats what they say. I dont think he is...he's emotional yeah but not queer

EDIT: cant quote u for some reason.

GoonVSGoblin

you can't quote , me because forget wat you hear

^^

it's a bad word. still a synopsis would be nice,and wouldn't you want an emotional artist making music

[QUOTE="GoonVSGoblin"]

I've come to the conclussion that I can't talk seriously about hip hop with anybody who lives on the internet. Reasons? Internet frequenters can't distinguish between party/club songs, emotional tracks, traditional hip hop bragadocious tracks and just free association straight rhyming tracks. They are under the illusion that hip hop is meant to be educational and political ALL the time.

News flash, Hip Hop started with those simple party songs and evolved into the rich spectrum of subjects it covers today. Lacking any of the those subjects those not make you more of a complete artists, rather a rapper who covers or tries to cover every facete of hip hop is more complete in my opinion. That's why Lil Wayne gets so much hate, because he caters to the dreaded "mainstream" that ever so viciosly burns the skin of your anti-social internet dweeb, he spent YEARS catering to the underground with mixtapes, He has put out solid albums - basically he has done alot of types of hip hop tracks by now. Naturally his most famous ones in the mainstream are his mainstream hits.

That's why we get people saying "oh lil wayne is trash, did you hear the lyrics in lollipop? eww omg like eww". Really? well that's what gets it poppin in the clubs and on the billboard charts and its very necessary. On the other hand there's songs like something you forgot, shoot me down, hustler music, Tha Mobb, I'm me, 3peat etc. Wayne has so much material that his haters literaly focus on his party songs to criticize when the truth is thier fave artist would sacrifice a goat to have a #1 billboard topper. Its human nature, despise what you can't achieve especially when somebody else gets to it.

You fav. artist has attempted a shot at mainstream, difference is, it wasn't suscessfull. Lest I not remind you all.

My 2 cents. When you guys start interacting with real human beings then you can broaden your scope of interest and appreciate more than rappers talking about Propaganda and unicorns. My interest is so braod that I can bump Game, Nas, Wayne,Jay, Lupe, TIP, Kanye and still have fun dancing to a Soulja Boy song or just laughing at how stupid it is. You guys should learn. Loosen your spanx a lil' lol.

NOTE: This is not to everybody in general so don't be offended if its not you, just a few people I've seen post.

WizengamotX

So if we are so up tight about quality in our taste and so biased when selecting what is classic or not etc., and really need to get in touch with the charts and what they say because they reflect reality in their popularity, whereas we union members are all just anti-social internet dweebs, then why isn't "Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em" by MC Hammer considered one of the greatest albums of all time?

[QUOTE="GoonVSGoblin"][QUOTE="Foolz3h"]

Would you like a tissue?

Btw, by the internet do you mean this union?

Foolz3h

nah I've been lurking on SOHH, posted a bit on AHH and lurked on whatever other forums cant remember em no. so no.

I was actually invited to this union.

Yes please. :)

[QUOTE="WizengamotX"][QUOTE="GoonVSGoblin"]

I've come to the conclussion that I can't talk seriously about hip hop with anybody who lives on the internet. Reasons? Internet frequenters can't distinguish between party/club songs, emotional tracks, traditional hip hop bragadocious tracks and just free association straight rhyming tracks. They are under the illusion that hip hop is meant to be educational and political ALL the time.

News flash, Hip Hop started with those simple party songs and evolved into the rich spectrum of subjects it covers today. Lacking any of the those subjects those not make you more of a complete artists, rather a rapper who covers or tries to cover every facete of hip hop is more complete in my opinion. That's why Lil Wayne gets so much hate, because he caters to the dreaded "mainstream" that ever so viciosly burns the skin of your anti-social internet dweeb, he spent YEARS catering to the underground with mixtapes, He has put out solid albums - basically he has done alot of types of hip hop tracks by now. Naturally his most famous ones in the mainstream are his mainstream hits.

That's why we get people saying "oh lil wayne is trash, did you hear the lyrics in lollipop? eww omg like eww". Really? well that's what gets it poppin in the clubs and on the billboard charts and its very necessary. On the other hand there's songs like something you forgot, shoot me down, hustler music, Tha Mobb, I'm me, 3peat etc. Wayne has so much material that his haters literaly focus on his party songs to criticize when the truth is thier fave artist would sacrifice a goat to have a #1 billboard topper. Its human nature, despise what you can't achieve especially when somebody else gets to it.

You fav. artist has attempted a shot at mainstream, difference is, it wasn't suscessfull. Lest I not remind you all.

My 2 cents. When you guys start interacting with real human beings then you can broaden your scope of interest and appreciate more than rappers talking about Propaganda and unicorns. My interest is so braod that I can bump Game, Nas, Wayne,Jay, Lupe, TIP, Kanye and still have fun dancing to a Soulja Boy song or just laughing at how stupid it is. You guys should learn. Loosen your spanx a lil' lol.

NOTE: This is not to everybody in general so don't be offended if its not you, just a few people I've seen post.

GoonVSGoblin

So if we are so up tight about quality in our taste and so biased when selecting what is classic or not etc., and really need to get in touch with the charts and what they say because they reflect reality in their popularity, whereas we union members are all just anti-social internet dweebs, then why isn't "Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em" by MC Hammer considered one of the greatest albums of all time?

I quote: "Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em is the second album by MC Hammer, released in 1990 by Capitol Records. The album was a #1 smash hit for 21 weeks, due primarily to the runaway single, "U Can't Touch This". The album was notable for sampling high-profile artists and giving some of these artists a new fanbase. "U Can't Touch This" sampled "Super Freak" by Rick James; "Dancin' Machine" sampled the Jackson 5; "Have You Seen Her" is a semi-cover of the Chi-Lites song; "Help the Children" interpolates Marvin Gaye's "Mercy Mercy Me (The Ecology)"; "Pray" and "She's Soft and Wet" sample the Prince hits "When Doves Cry" and "Soft and Wet" respectively. The album raised rap music to a new level of popularity. It was the first hip-hop album certified diamond by the RIAA for sales of over ten million, and remains among the genre's all-time best-selling albums.

Despite its enormous success, it received mixed critical reviews from people who thought it relied too much on sampling past hits and was overly pop-oriented."

But that doesn't mean the mainstream artist that the person happens to dabble in is anywhere near good. You seem to be arguing that Lil Wayne and artists like him are good? That we need to accept them the way they are? We are snobbish internet nerds? I read your disclaimer, am not insulted at all, but would like to let you know I am on a national ranked crew for rowing, played select basketball until early high school, played premier soccer, little league baseball, am extremely fast both sprinting and long distance cross country competition, have a 4.0, take over seven AP courses, write novels and poems, dance competitively in hip hop and swing, draw and paint for money, and play trumpet in professional orchestras and jazz clubs internationally. I am extremely popular amongst friends at both my Canadian boarding school and at home in Seattle, and am considering modelling (yeah make fun of me) as a college side job. Oh, and I sing. Did I mention I am a hardcore gamer and am frequently on gamespot?

Seems like you just wrote an essay on what I just said in that Lil Wayne thread in OT, cept I said it two sentences:?Orlando_Magic

a synopsis please

Seems like you just wrote an essay on what I just said in that Lil Wayne thread in OT, cept I said it two sentences:?Orlando_Magic

[QUOTE="Foolz3h"][QUOTE="GoonVSGoblin"][QUOTE="Foolz3h"]

Would you like a tissue?

Btw, by the internet do you mean this union?

GoonVSGoblin

nah I've been lurking on SOHH, posted a bit on AHH and lurked on whatever other forums cant remember em no. so no.

I was actually invited to this union.

Yes please. :)

Tissue nazi! :(

Seems like you just wrote an essay on what I just said in that Lil Wayne thread in OT, cept I said it two sentences:?Orlando_Magic

[QUOTE="Orlando_Magic"]Seems like you just wrote an essay on what I just said in that Lil Wayne thread in OT, cept I said it two sentences:?GoonVSGoblin

"Also, just wanted to point out that a lot people think hip-hop is dying nowadays when they see people putting out dance songs and songs for fun by artists such as Soulja Boy, DJ Unk, and so on... but if you listen to Third Unheard you can hear the very strong dance and almost disco-like sound of the music. Hip-hop started out as dance music."- from the Lil Wayne thread

@wizengamotx...good for you. Great accomplishments. Donno what I was supposed to say lol

Wasen't there a thread just like this some weeks back on this forum?

But honestly I really don't give a s*** if a MC is mainstream or not as long as they put good lyrics on their albums. Thats all I ask for. Also the internet is full of haters, its not like its a point in trying to change their mind let them hate, it won't affect the way I listen to music anyway so why fixate on trying to change their mind about what they listen to when I can just kick back and bump whatever I wanna bump.X-Fade

Wasen't there a thread just like this some weeks back on this forum?

But honestly I really don't give a s*** if a MC is mainstream or not as long as they put good lyrics on their albums. Thats all I ask for. Also the internet is full of haters, its not like its a point in trying to change their mind let them hate, it won't affect the way I listen to music anyway so why fixate on trying to change their mind about what they listen to when I can just kick back and bump whatever I wanna bump.X-Fade

I quote Chaucer in saying just as the Oxford Scholar would gladly learn and gladly teach, it is your duty as a human being to contribute to the world with your knowledge. Just kicking back and letting time fly is one of the worst traits someone could have. Sloth is one of the seven "deadly sins" for a reason. And that is not just my opinion. But I'll let you have yours. ;)

Oh and @wizengamotx...good for you. Great accomplishments. Donno what I was supposed to say lolGoonVSGoblin

you were supposed to laugh at him for mentioning little league baseball

Oh and @wizengamotx...good for you. Great accomplishments. Donno what I was supposed to say lolGoonVSGoblin

While that is the case in much to many a place, I am not a headcase and pack no disgrace. :) I was just typing and couldn't resist throwing in a blank verse.

Wasen't there a thread just like this some weeks back on this forum?

X-Fade

This thread is about how Lil' Wayne is great, hip-hop is alive, and that people shouldn't expect only a certain type of hip-hop and they should be open to the various forms of hip-hop (club, party, political, lyrical, etc.).

[QUOTE="X-Fade"]Wasen't there a thread just like this some weeks back on this forum?

But honestly I really don't give a s*** if a MC is mainstream or not as long as they put good lyrics on their albums. Thats all I ask for. Also the internet is full of haters, its not like its a point in trying to change their mind let them hate, it won't affect the way I listen to music anyway so why fixate on trying to change their mind about what they listen to when I can just kick back and bump whatever I wanna bump.WizengamotX

I quote Chaucer in saying just as the Oxford Scholar would gladly learn and gladly teach, it is your duty as a human being to contribute to the world with your knowledge. Just kicking back and letting time fly is one of the worst traits someone could have. Sloth is one of the seven "deadly sins" for a reason. And that is not just my opinion. But I'll let you have yours. ;)

[QUOTE="X-Fade"]Wasen't there a thread just like this some weeks back on this forum?

Orlando_Magic

This thread is about how Lil' Wayne is great, hip-hop is alive, and that people shouldn't expect only a certain type of hip-hop and they should be open to the various forms of hip-hop (club, party, political, lyrical, etc.).

Ah, guess I just got confused then.

Can we talk about lil wayne some more please?Andrew_is_basic

no h0m0.

im really out now.

[QUOTE="Andrew_is_basic"]Can we talk about lil wayne some more please?GoonVSGoblin

no h0m0.

im really out now.

if that isnt homo then i dont know what is.

[QUOTE="GoonVSGoblin"]

[QUOTE="Andrew_is_basic"]Can we talk about lil wayne some more please?makaveli_89

no h0m0.

im really out now.

if that isnt homo then i dont know what is.

ahhh good back on track :).

how about that C3?

A Milli A Milli!

lulz may I point out that fifty sold millions of copies of his CDz.

lulz, F-I-F-T-Y C-E-N-T

nuff said

[QUOTE="makaveli_89"][QUOTE="GoonVSGoblin"]

[QUOTE="Andrew_is_basic"]Can we talk about lil wayne some more please?Andrew_is_basic

no h0m0.

im really out now.

if that isnt homo then i dont know what is.

ahhh good back on track :).

how about that C3?

A Milli A Milli!

A million sold, First Day I went Gold, How do I celebrate? I Work on Tha Carter Fo'

[QUOTE="GoonVSGoblin"]

[QUOTE="Andrew_is_basic"]Can we talk about lil wayne some more please?makaveli_89

no h0m0.

im really out now.

if that isnt homo then i dont know what is.

Just listen to his lyrics. Alot of them make absolutely jack sense. Its like he throws in words and phrases because they rhyme and then he thinks when some phrase, totally disconnected from the actual topic, actually happens to somewhat make sense in an obvious "duh" way, he thinks he is clever. Yeah Lil' Wayne I can speak in different voices, accents, and speeds. So can alot of people. At least we write down our thoughts, lyrics, etc. before we go and say they are the most genious product hip hop has ever seen. Stupid crackhead.

Now that being said, I like the Carter 3 alot. My favorite songs are 3 Peat, Mr. Carter,and Phone Home, closely followed by the more old-school Dr. Carter and Let The Beat Build, and topped by the more emotional Comfortable and Tie My Hands. The worst songs IMO are Mrs. Officer, La La, and You Ain't Got Nuthin. Mrs. Officer isn't too bad, but it isn't better than the hit singles (which I don't like the best but still like), being A Milli, Got Money, and Lollipop.