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#1 HabbiDabs
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Raekwon's myspace

Just heard it, amazing . Thoughts?
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#2 Orlando_Magic
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We've been talking about it in the M.O.P and Raekwon thread already, but its cool. The album is better than I was expecting. I'm not crazy over House of Flying Daggers like everyone else is...
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#3 JML897
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10 Bricks, New Wu, House of Flying Daggers, and Surgical Gloves are my favorite tracks on the album.

I think I like OB4CL2 more than the original, but I didn't like the original as much as most people.

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#4 Ryder004
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i liked it
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#6 -Halftime-
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I like it. I think the big name producers(Dre, Dilla, Alchemist, RZA, Pete Rock, Necro, Marley Marl) all dropped heat. There are a couple beats that are sleepy though. I think lyrically it's pretty dope. It definitely exceeded my expectations. I thought it would be mediocre or worse and it's actually really a pretty good album. I wouldn't call it AOTY though.
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#7 Toriko42
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New Wu, Penitentiary, Surgical Gloves, Broken Safety, We Will Rob You, About Me, and Mean Streets are fiyah

Great album
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#8 fat_rob
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Album is dope as hell...best of the year so far
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#9 -Methtical-
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I'm not crazy over House of Flying Daggers like everyone else is...Orlando_Magic
Neither am I, I mean it's not bad, but I think there are a lot of better tracks.
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#10 Toriko42
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[QUOTE="Orlando_Magic"] I'm not crazy over House of Flying Daggers like everyone else is...-Methtical-
Neither am I, I mean it's not bad, but I think there are a lot of better tracks.

New Wu > That song

Meth on a hook = win

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#11 TheAbstrakt
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Pyrex Vision.
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#12 Orlando_Magic
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Is it safe to say OB4CLII > Fishscale?
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#13 Apocalypse33
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Is it safe to say OB4CLII > Fishscale?Orlando_Magic
really? i loved fishscale (actually my first ghost album), i def need to check OB4CL2 now
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#14 Balimi
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I don't know if its better than fishscale. I think I'd be a lot more impressed with this if I hadn't heard all his recent mixtape material.
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#15 fat_rob
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Is it safe to say OB4CLII > Fishscale?Orlando_Magic
Yes, easily imo
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#16 rubbersouI
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Is it safe to say OB4CLII > Fishscale?Orlando_Magic

no way
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#17 -Methtical-
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Is it safe to say OB4CLII > Fishscale?Orlando_Magic
I'd say they're about the same, if either one is better it's not by a lot.
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#18 Orlando_Magic
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copped the album today along with BP3...

I went to Best Buy first and they only had 1 copy of OB4CL2, and they weren't getting their shipment of BP3 in until Friday. So I walked over to Target and they had tons of both...

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#19 Orlando_Magic
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OB4CL2 is currently #1 on iTunes8)

iTunes isn't selling BP3 yet for some reason...

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#20 Toriko42
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copped the album today along with BP3...

I went to Best Buy first and they only had 1 copy of OB4CL2, and they weren't getting their shipment of BP3 in until Friday. So I walked over to Target and they had tons of both...

Orlando_Magic
I just got my copy of OBFCL II, no pics though cause of my camera...

It also totally beats Fishscale
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#21 fat_rob
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OB4CL2 is currently #1 on iTunes8)

iTunes isn't selling BP3 yet for some reason...

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number 3?
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#22 Toriko42
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[QUOTE="Orlando_Magic"]

OB4CL2 is currently #1 on iTunes8)

iTunes isn't selling BP3 yet for some reason...

fat_rob
number 3?

Those are pre-orders I think
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#23 Orlando_Magic
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[QUOTE="Orlando_Magic"]

OB4CL2 is currently #1 on iTunes8)

iTunes isn't selling BP3 yet for some reason...

fat_rob

number 3?

It's just the pre-order

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#24 andyboiii
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here's one review

4.5 out of 5 potholes

 

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#25 Orlando_Magic
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OB4CL2 is still #1 on iTunes. The Blueprint 3 (with Bonus Tracks) Pre-Order moved up to #2.... and the regular Blueprint 3 pre-order is at #10. It's splitting the BP3 sales.

OB4CL2 is $9.99 on iTunes, the same price they sell it at Target and Best Buy. Having a physical copy of the CD is way better... dunno why people even bother buying it off iTunes.

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#26 HaSheeSh_basic
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OB4CL2 is still #1 on iTunes. The Blueprint 3 (with Bonus Tracks) Pre-Order moved up to #2.... and the regular Blueprint 3 pre-order is at #10. It's splitting the BP3 sales.

OB4CL2 is $9.99 on iTunes, the same price they sell it at Target and Best Buy. Having a physical copy of the CD is way better... dunno why people even bother buying it off iTunes.

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#27 HaSheeSh_basic
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really though, this album is pretty damn good. I'm impressed, Rae put in quite an effort into recapturing what made the original so good. Album would've been better if RZA produced more tracks, those 3 tracks he did contained my favourite beats on the album. Dr Dre shouldn't have been on the album, his beats have become way too predictable and formulaic, it was soo damn easy for me to point he produced "Catalina" and "About Me" without seeing the production credits.

7.5/10

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#28 elpooz
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It's alright. The atmosphere obviously didn't match the first, but it was still great. The lyrics were on point. The only thing that disappointed me was the production. It was good for the most part, but no one track had great production or anything better than good...
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#29 murdamuzik
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I still need to cop that degs.   Hopefully it won't be as dissapointing as Blackout 2.
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I just got OB4CL2 last night and just started playing it. I'm on, "Sonny's Missing".

The sad thing is it's one of the last albums to look forward to for 2009. The only thing I'm looking forward for is new Snoop, Rakim, and Cypress Hill.

Easily in the top 5 hip hop albums of the year.
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#31 -Methtical-
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I just got OB4CL2 last night and just started playing it. I'm on, "Sonny's Missing".

The sad thing is it's one of the last albums to look forward to for 2009. The only thing I'm looking forward for is new Snoop, Rakim, and Cypress Hill.

Easily in the top 5 hip hop albums of the year.ghostphantom563
You're setting yourself up to be disappointed if you are anticipating those three albums to be good. Do yourself a favor and check out some new artists like Fashawn or Skyzoo (not really new but it's his debut), both of which have albums coming out in the next month in and a half, both are going to be dope. Wale too, but if you haven't heard of him you must be living under a rock.
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Better then fishscale? 

I'm need to get this because if true then damn this is a great album. But I'm so far behind need BP3 and still haven't even gotten Jada's new one.

Music or games? damn.  

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#33 JML897
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I'm need to get this because if true then damn this is a great album. But I'm so far behind need BP3 and still haven't even gotten Jada's new one.

XturnalS

Jada's album is alright, but BP3 isn't that good...I'd say definitely get OB4CL2 before either of those two. 

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Ordered my copy a few days ago. Amazon says it mgiht be weeks. I should've pre-ordered! :(
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#35 Toriko42
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Ordered my copy a few days ago. Amazon says it mgiht be weeks. I should've pre-ordered! :(Foolz3h
Walked to my local record store the other day, bought one, took an hour max including travel :P
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[QUOTE="Foolz3h"]Ordered my copy a few days ago. Amazon says it mgiht be weeks. I should've pre-ordered! :(Toriko42
Walked to my local record store the other day, bought one, took an hour max including travel :P

Damn you! However I think it might not come out here until the 18th.

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[QUOTE="Toriko42"][QUOTE="Foolz3h"]Ordered my copy a few days ago. Amazon says it mgiht be weeks. I should've pre-ordered! :(Foolz3h

Walked to my local record store the other day, bought one, took an hour max including travel :P

Damn you! However I think it might not come out here until the 18th.

Oh word where do you live?
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[QUOTE="Foolz3h"]

[QUOTE="Toriko42"][QUOTE="Foolz3h"]Ordered my copy a few days ago. Amazon says it mgiht be weeks. I should've pre-ordered! :(Toriko42

Walked to my local record store the other day, bought one, took an hour max including travel :P

Damn you! However I think it might not come out here until the 18th.

Oh word where do you live?

Australia.

Hmm, on the Amazon tracklisting Gihad isn't on it. :?

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#39 Orlando_Magic
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Missed this on TV....

Raekwon and Ghostface perform Daytona 500 on BET's the Deal

here's flip video footage of Criminology

Raekwon interview on the Deal... notice J Cole's Lights Please playing the background too...

Ghostface interview on the Deal

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#40 XturnalS
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[QUOTE="XturnalS"]

I'm need to get this because if true then damn this is a great album. But I'm so far behind need BP3 and still haven't even gotten Jada's new one.

JML897

Jada's album is alright, but BP3 isn't that good...I'd say definitely get OB4CL2 before either of those two. 

Word? aight I might pick up BP3 much later then and now I gotta get GFK's new one at the end of the month. Think Jada will have to wait some more too.  

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#41 Orlando_Magic
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Soundscan says the album sold 65,000 first week... good enough to give it a #5 spot behind Blueprint 3, Miley Cyrus- Times of Our Lives, Beatles- Abbey Road, and Whitney Houston- I Look to You.
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[QUOTE="ghostphantom563"]I just got OB4CL2 last night and just started playing it. I'm on, "Sonny's Missing".

The sad thing is it's one of the last albums to look forward to for 2009. The only thing I'm looking forward for is new Snoop, Rakim, and Cypress Hill.

Easily in the top 5 hip hop albums of the year.-Methtical-
You're setting yourself up to be disappointed if you are anticipating those three albums to be good. Do yourself a favor and check out some new artists like Fashawn or Skyzoo (not really new but it's his debut), both of which have albums coming out in the next month in and a half, both are going to be dope. Wale too, but if you haven't heard of him you must be living under a rock.



Well I ment in terms of well known artists. There's always someone putting out good stuff in the underground.

Also anyone think this should have been released in the winter? I don't know I always listen to more Wu in the winter since the beats seem to fit better. I don't know maybe that's just me.
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http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/13441-only-built-4-cuban-linx-pt-ii/

8.8

Yes, it exists, and yes, it's as good as fans have been hoping for. We'll get more in depth on that shortly, but with the two most important questions surrounding this album finally answered after four years of anticipation, that leaves a third one: why a sequel? The easy conclusion is that Raekwon needed a benchmark-- that he couldn't just put together any slapdash collection of skits and weedcarrier features and b-grade beats, then slap the words Cuban Linx on the cover. So while some people might read this album's title as a gimmicky hook to lure in bring-NYC-back nostalgists, it actually acts more as a reassuring seal of quality from an MC who some people think lost his way the moment he released Immobilarity without a single RZA beat.

The connections to Cuban Linx's roots of grimy, Mafioso opulence run deep here, starting with a partial reprise of the original album's closer "North Star (Jewels)" as Pt. II's opening track. In 1995, Popa Wu admired the way Raekwon was growing and coming up in the world in the same way a master teacher regards his star pupil; 14 years later he's simultaneously marveling at Raekwon's success and warning him of the treachery that elevated status brings. From there we get not so much a single narrative as a vivid overview of a criminal empire that's grown in scope since the first Cuban Linx. Raekwon's gift for deep focus-- homing in on an adversary's apparel one moment, zooming out to take in an entire hood's social system the next-- is at its sharpest, and in running the gamut of criminology rap from kitchen stove to prison yard, he reinforces his reputation as a lyricist with a supreme ability to simultaneously set an evocative scene and turn a slick phrase.

Two early detail-oriented highlights come back-to-back: "Sonny's Missing", a compact, Pete Rock-produced narrative concerning the grotesque interrogation of a rival segues into the strangely calm crack-cooking setpiece "Pyrex Vision", where Rae simmers his voice down to a murmur and gives a tactile snapshot of the crack-cooking process. That mixture of tightly knit procedural storytelling and lyrical virtuosity carries through on the other solo showpieces, the business plan/inventory rundown "Surgical Gloves" and the confrontation with a kiss-blowing, **** talking Jamaican dealer in "Fat Lady Sings" chief amongst them.

But it's the guest spots that make the album widescreen, particularly with the involvement of every remaining Wu-Tang member (except for U-God, possibly as a canonical continuation of his being "killed off" on the first Cuban Linx). Inspectah Deck, Masta Killa, and GZA bolster the narrative, Method Man provides a couple respites from the criminal theme with some flat-out vintage lyrical boasting on early-leak highlights "New Wu" and "House of Flying Daggers", and the the RZA has a memorably unhinged cameo at the end of "Black Mozart". Even ODB's there in spirit, with the Dilla-utilizing "Ason Jones" cutting through all the mythologized goofball eccentricity to depict him as a wise man with real love in his heart. All that, and you get Jadakiss and StyIes P waxing grimy on "Broken Safety", Beanie Sigel at his remorseful best on "Have Mercy", Slick Rick pulling diabolical Queen-mocking hook duty on "We Will Rob You", and Busta Rhymes dialing down his characteristic bellow to growl on "About Me".

And then there's Ghost. Maybe the biggest strength of the original Cuban Linx was how well Ghostface and Raekwon complemented each other, with Tony Starks' rampaging wail underscoring Chef's calculating intensity, and Ghost's appearances here hold that same power. He opens his verse on "Cold Outside" with one of his most evocatively disturbing lines ever-- "They found a two-year-old strangled to death/ With a 'Love Daddy' shirt on/ In a bag on the top of the steps"-- and expands that into a ball-of-confusion breakdown of friends' betrayals, AIDS mothers, "swastikas on the church," being broke during Christmas, and the need for troop withdrawal from Iraq. Later on, he has a sharp back-and-forth dialogue-styIe prison-hustle account with Rae in "Penitentiary", castigates a street soldier after being caught getting a blowjob from the man's girlfriend in "Gihad", and has a cIassic outrageous-swagger line in "10 Bricks": "the currency rushes like poppin' a wheelie/ Holdin' a bike with one hand, the other countin' the billies". Listening to him going R&B on Wizard of Poetry's gonna be weird after this.

That said, there's one crucial difference between the two Cuban Linx records that could've tripped this album up: The switch from an all-RZA palette of beats to an all-star roster of production names. RZA does contribute three of the best tracks-- the fuzzed-out cinema funk of "Black Mozart", the choral headknock sway of "New Wu", and the lavish, orchestral mid-70s soul of "Fat Lady Sings"-- which fall between his cIassic first-wave cIassic and a less out-there strain of the experimentation that alienated Ghost and Raekwon circa 8 Diagrams. But aside from Dr. Dre getting a bit too polished and joylessly glossy on the faux-Latin cheese of "Catalina" and the plodding "About Me", the rest of the production proves to be an eclectic yet fitting take on the cIassic Wu-Tang aesthetic. "House of Flying Daggers", "Ason Jones", and "10 Bricks" benefit from a trip to the Dilla vaults that brought back three of his most RZA-esque beats. The Alchemist's chopped-up chimes and woozy guitars give "Surgical Gloves" a hypnotic edge. Pete Rock maintains the integrity of his styIe with the flute and horn-driven bounce on "Sonny's Missing" (repurposed from NY's Finest track "Questions" and an even better fit here). And Marley Marl gets a lot of atmospheric mileage out of the subdued yet gripping guitar loop that comprises the 55 seconds of "Pyrex Vision".

Between the hype, the anticipation and the attachment of a legendary album's legacy, anything less than a cIassic would have proven to be a major disappointment. Few albums have gone through this much turmoil and delay in the planning stages yet turned out so cohesive and tight. The last time a Wu-Tang record came together with this kind of personnel and succeeded under a grand conceptual vision, we got Fishscale, and calling Cuban Linx II Raekwon's equivalent to it isn't out of the question. Like Ghostface's modern cIassic, this album defies hip-hop's current atmosphere of youthful cockiness and aging complacency: instead, it's driven by the sometimes celebratory, sometimes traumatized sense of stubborn survival and perseverance, a veteran mindset that can no longer picture success without having to defend it. Consider this a triumphant defense.
 

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8.8 is pretty decent, the score hits the nail on the head about how I'd rate it. 8.75 / 10 for me.
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8.8 is pretty decent, the score hits the nail on the head about how I'd rate it. 8.75 / 10 for me. Toriko42

And 8.8 is extremely good from Pitchfork.

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[QUOTE="Toriko42"]8.8 is pretty decent, the score hits the nail on the head about how I'd rate it. 8.75 / 10 for me. Mkavanaugh77

The review score is on, OB4CL2 is like a 8.5/10

but then they give Slaughterhouse/Relapse/and blueprint 3 a 4.5 average

those albums i prefer over Raes album

Those scores are whack but do you seriously prefer those over OBFCL II?


 

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[QUOTE="Toriko42"][QUOTE="Mkavanaugh77"]

[QUOTE="Toriko42"]8.8 is pretty decent, the score hits the nail on the head about how I'd rate it. 8.75 / 10 for me. Mkavanaugh77

The review score is on, OB4CL2 is like a 8.5/10

but then they give Slaughterhouse/Relapse/and blueprint 3 a 4.5 average

those albums i prefer over Raes album

Those scores are whack but do you seriously prefer those over OBFCL II?

 

Sh is more entertaining imo-4 top notch rappers in their primes going all out the whole album.

Relapse id put it behind OB4CL2, relapse was good but the subject matter wasnt my style(too much drug talk)

BP3 i like better than OB4CL because of the tracks: Run This Town and Already Home those two songs i have on repeat and find it wayy better than anything on OB4CL2

 

 

As long as you can defend your taste I won't argue with ya. I disagree of course but it's all subjective. Our favorite albums this year will most likely have very little overlap though :lol: