1400+ years and Qurans challenge remains far from being broken.

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]What didn't they understand about it?Silverbond

But despite all what man has achieved now,death is impossible to evade which shows that God made us this way that it would be impossible.

So... because death is impossible to avoid, God is real? And made us a certain way?

[QUOTE="Silverbond"][QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]That what I meant is that during those times,there wasnt any knowledge about biological science and neither the thought that one day man would go so far in biological science.

 

But despite all what man has achieved now,death is impossible to evade which shows that God made us this way that it would be impossible.

Thinker_reborn

So... because death is impossible to avoid, God is real? And made us a certain way?

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] as an atheist, how do you reconcile your atheism with the existence of objective morals? your belief in objective morals is implicit with your condemnation of moroccan culture as less moral, less virtuous than your own.

and if you dont believe in objective morals, then why say that your moral standards are better than those who live in morocco?

How was it disgusting?

NTWrightfan

and if you believe that morals are subjective, then why did you make the statement that morocco's moral standards are inferior to your own?

Are you saying as a person you do not know right from wrong? Do you need god to tell you that treating women as inferior is wrong? Are you so devoid of morals that they must be read from a book for you to understand basic humanity?

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] as an atheist, how do you reconcile your atheism with the existence of objective morals? your belief in objective morals is implicit with your condemnation of moroccan culture as less moral, less virtuous than your own.

and if you dont believe in objective morals, then why say that your moral standards are better than those who live in morocco?

How was it disgusting?

NTWrightfan

and if you believe that morals are subjective, then why did you make the statement that morocco's moral standards are inferior to your own?

[QUOTE="NTWrightfan"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"] Women ate in different rooms, women did ALL the cooking and cleaning, women completely controlled by their husbands... I didn't once see a women spoken to like an equal. Why should I respect that culture? swizz-the-gamer

and if you believe that morals are subjective, then why did you make the statement that morocco's moral standards are inferior to your own?

It's ok swizz you have morals because you are a good person. He only follows morals from a book because he fears what will happen to him if he does not. He has no morals, he stole them from a book.

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Should they? Silverbond

You are no Muslim. Allah and the Christian God are the same. In the Qur'an Jesus, as in the Book of Revelation, returns and saves you guys. I would think you would respect your savior enough not to say stuff like that."Their god"...please.

Actually, muslims do not worship Jesus as a God. According to the Qur'an, Jesus was a prophet of islam.

But you're right on one thing: Prophet Jesus will come back before the Last Day to defeat the antichrist. 

[QUOTE="NTWrightfan"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"] Women ate in different rooms, women did ALL the cooking and cleaning, women completely controlled by their husbands... I didn't once see a women spoken to like an equal. Why should I respect that culture? Nkemjo

and if you believe that morals are subjective, then why did you make the statement that morocco's moral standards are inferior to your own?

Are you saying as a person you do not know right from wrong? Do you need god to tell you that treating women as inferior is wrong? Are you so devoid of morals that they must be read from a book for you to understand basic humanity?

So tell me Swizz and Nkemjo, how do you as atheists say that evil is objective?

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]Yup cuz their God is being portrayed in a terrible shape for the world to see..ghoklebutter

You are no Muslim. Allah and the Christian God are the same. In the Qur'an Jesus, as in the Book of Revelation, returns and saves you guys. I would think you would respect your savior enough not to say stuff like that."Their god"...please.

Actually, muslims do not worship Jesus as a God. According to the Qur'an, Jesus was a prophet of islam.

But you're right on one thing: Prophet Jesus will come back before the Last Day to defeat the antichrist.

[QUOTE="Nkemjo"][QUOTE="NTWrightfan"] how do you as an atheist reconcile your atheism with the existence of objective moral values? your belief in moral objectives is implicit in your moral condemnation of morocco

and if you believe that morals are subjective, then why did you make the statement that morocco's moral standards are inferior to your own?

NTWrightfan

Are you saying as a person you do not know right from wrong? Do you need god to tell you that treating women as inferior is wrong? Are you so devoid of morals that they must be read from a book for you to understand basic humanity?

So tell me Swizz and Nkemjo, how do you as atheists say that evil is objective?

Hahahahaha just because soemthing is bad does not mean it is EVIL. If I treated a women like a subhuman I would feel bad, like what I had done was bad. How you ask? Because my I would feel the physiological effects of shame and guilt. That is hard-wired into my mind and body. It's called humanity. Evil is bad but not all bad is evil.

[QUOTE="Nkemjo"][QUOTE="NTWrightfan"] how do you as an atheist reconcile your atheism with the existence of objective moral values? your belief in moral objectives is implicit in your moral condemnation of morocco

and if you believe that morals are subjective, then why did you make the statement that morocco's moral standards are inferior to your own?

NTWrightfan

Are you saying as a person you do not know right from wrong? Do you need god to tell you that treating women as inferior is wrong? Are you so devoid of morals that they must be read from a book for you to understand basic humanity?

So tell me Swizz and Nkemjo, how do you as atheists say that evil is objective?

[QUOTE="NTWrightfan"][QUOTE="Nkemjo"]

Are you saying as a person you do not know right from wrong? Do you need god to tell you that treating women as inferior is wrong? Are you so devoid of morals that they must be read from a book for you to understand basic humanity?

swizz-the-gamer

So tell me Swizz and Nkemjo, how do you as atheists say that evil is objective?

I agree with you swizz, there is no god in buddhism but they are arguably the most peaceful religion on the planet. I would rather be like that than wage war in gods name (crusades anyone)?

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]What didn't they understand about it?swizz-the-gamer

But despite all what man has achieved now,death is impossible to evade which shows that God made us this way that it would be impossible.

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]What didn't they understand about it?Nkemjo

But despite all what man has achieved now,death is impossible to evade which shows that God made us this way that it would be impossible.

Then, when they reached the Valley of the Ants, an ant said: 'Ants! Enter your dwellings, so that Sulayman and his troops do not crush you unwittingly.' [Qur'aan, 27:18]

Scientists now know that ants have no ears and do not communicate by sound. They communicate by pheromones (volatile chemicals). That is a fault right there.

Also using gene therapy scientists know which genes cause the body to age. They used to think that aging was caused by errors in gene replication during mitosis and free radicals etc. Right now there are quite a few labs trying to isolate these genes and learn how to alter them to be switched off.

http://www.answering-christianity.com/creation_alteration.htm

And what's wrong with 'intoxications'?

Funky_Llama

Do you believe what someone wrote on the Quran? Just like the Christian Bible, man made.CBR600-RR

So you're accusing the Quran of lying here? I'm pretty sure they're right with this one. :P

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Should they? Silverbond

You are no Muslim. Allah and the Christian God are the same. In the Qur'an Jesus, as in the Book of Revelation, returns and saves you guys. I would think you would respect your savior enough not to say stuff like that."Their god"...please.

Wow, that's really dumb. I could predict something right now easily that won't be achieved in 1400 years.

 "No man shall ever grow to be 5 thousand meters tall"

 Now when that still hasn't happened in 1400 years, do I get a cookie?

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]Yup cuz their God is being portrayed in a terrible shape for the world to see..Thinker_reborn

You are no Muslim. Allah and the Christian God are the same. In the Qur'an Jesus, as in the Book of Revelation, returns and saves you guys. I would think you would respect your savior enough not to say stuff like that."Their god"...please.

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]Yup cuz their God is being portrayed in a terrible shape for the world to see..Thinker_reborn

You are no Muslim. Allah and the Christian God are the same. In the Qur'an Jesus, as in the Book of Revelation, returns and saves you guys. I would think you would respect your savior enough not to say stuff like that."Their god"...please.

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"][QUOTE="Silverbond"]

 

You are no Muslim. Allah and the Christian God are the same. In the Qur'an Jesus, as in the Book of Revelation, returns and saves you guys. I would think you would respect your savior enough not to say stuff like that."Their god"...please.

Silverbond

But regardless how does that make him a God?

Yes I agree. Proud to be muslim.

even the way people argue today was mentioned in the quran. Read surat al baqara and see the things people told Moses when he told them that there was a god. The same can be said about people today.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

And what's wrong with 'intoxications'?

Thinker_reborn

Yes I agree. Proud to be muslim.

even the way people argue today was mentioned in the quran. Read surat al baqara and see the things people told Moses when he told them that there was a god. The same can be said about people today.

 

gamingqueen

[QUOTE="CBR600-RR"]Do you believe what someone wrote on the Quran? Just like the Christian Bible, man made.Ninja-Hippo

So you're accusing the Quran of lying here? I'm pretty sure they're right with this one. :P

Well yeah, lying. Why would I want to believe something that's written on paper? Seeing is believing. What if I decided to say "Oh I say me and a couple of friends should write a bible" because that's pretty much the same, someone decided to make it.

Quran says,(not exact words) "Every soul would have to taste death" 1400 years ago there was no way anybody could even think of the biological and scientific advancements that man has now achieved.But yet of all things man has achieved,permanently avoiding death is one that nobody has even come close to and neither will anyone ever.Thinker_reborn

True.

But that is kind of like saying the sun will come up tomorrow or the sky is blue. A broad sweeping statement used to validate a belief system.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]Nobody is forced dude.Atleast Islam certainly does not.It just tells women that it is sinfull if they dont cover their bodies.Thinker_reborn

Secondly... why is it sinful?

Becasue that intensifies desires of men,it creates lust.And well becasue God has just asked women to.

If only all the women in the world roamed around covered,the world would be an alot happier place especially for unactrractive people.The use of intoxications would be reduced as well significantly.

i lived in the middle east for 11years. while 8 of those years was in qatar. no one there was forced. but in saudi my mother was forced to cover herself completely. sex drive is what propogates the human race. should men have no desire then the human race would assuredly die out. if everyone was naked(in summer) the world would be a happier place. i dont disagree with the islamic customes. but i just find it sad because some of these women are extremely pretty but just end up covering their faces up. seems like a waste of a pretty face. however. in the end its usually personal choice.

oh yeah and saying everyone dies is no proof of a god......everything was dying before that. and should the laws of physics be correct. nothing. not even our planet will remain intact. 

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Nobody is forced? Go to any country with an Islamic, Sharia Law-following theocracy and see how true that is.

Secondly... why is it sinful?

blackacidevil96

Becasue that intensifies desires of men,it creates lust.And well becasue God has just asked women to.

If only all the women in the world roamed around covered,the world would be an alot happier place especially for unactrractive people.The use of intoxications would be reduced as well significantly.

i lived in the middle east for 11years. while 8 of those years was in qatar. no one there was forced. but in saudi my mother was forced to cover herself completely. sex drive is what propogates the human race. should men have no desire then the human race would assuredly die out. if everyone was naked(in summer) the world would be a happier place. i dont disagree with the islamic customes. but i just find it sad because some of these women are extremely pretty but just end up covering their faces up. seems like a waste of a pretty face. however. in the end its usually personal choice.

oh yeah and saying everyone dies is no proof of a god......everything was dying before that. and should the laws of physics be correct. nothing. not even our planet will remain intact.

the mindset is if she/he is married you shouldnt be lookin and they should be beautiful for their husbands and vice versa not some random guy on the street

[QUOTE="blackacidevil96"][QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]I live in Pakistan.Nobody forces it over here.

 

Becasue that intensifies desires of men,it creates lust.And well becasue God has just asked women to.

If only all the women in the world roamed around covered,the world would be an alot happier place especially for unactrractive people.The use of intoxications would be reduced as well significantly.

freshgman

i lived in the middle east for 11years. while 8 of those years was in qatar. no one there was forced. but in saudi my mother was forced to cover herself completely. sex drive is what propogates the human race. should men have no desire then the human race would assuredly die out. if everyone was naked(in summer) the world would be a happier place. i dont disagree with the islamic customes. but i just find it sad because some of these women are extremely pretty but just end up covering their faces up. seems like a waste of a pretty face. however. in the end its usually personal choice.

oh yeah and saying everyone dies is no proof of a god......everything was dying before that. and should the laws of physics be correct. nothing. not even our planet will remain intact.

the mindset is if she/he is married you shouldnt be lookin and they should be beautiful for their husbands and vice versa not some random guy on the street

im aware of the mindset. however i disagree with it. the human body is such a beautiful thing. but so often people are taught to cover up. and for that it doesnt make sense to ME. like nudity on television. why is it viewed as such a horrible thing? i just dont get it. and if the husband is a good husband he should not be worried about anyone else looking. but thats just MY opinion.

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Nobody is forced? Go to any country with an Islamic, Sharia Law-following theocracy and see how true that is.

 

Secondly... why is it sinful?

blackacidevil96

Becasue that intensifies desires of men,it creates lust.And well becasue God has just asked women to.

If only all the women in the world roamed around covered,the world would be an alot happier place especially for unactrractive people.The use of intoxications would be reduced as well significantly.

i lived in the middle east for 11years. while 8 of those years was in qatar. no one there was forced. but in saudi my mother was forced to cover herself completely. sex drive is what propogates the human race. should men have no desire then the human race would assuredly die out. if everyone was naked(in summer) the world would be a happier place. i dont disagree with the islamic customes. but i just find it sad because some of these women are extremely pretty but just end up covering their faces up. seems like a waste of a pretty face. however. in the end its usually personal choice.

oh yeah and saying everyone dies is no proof of a god......everything was dying before that. and should the laws of physics be correct. nothing. not even our planet will remain intact. 

And her pretty face will not go to waste when it comes to her marriage.

[QUOTE="blackacidevil96"][QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]I live in Pakistan.Nobody forces it over here.

Becasue that intensifies desires of men,it creates lust.And well becasue God has just asked women to.

If only all the women in the world roamed around covered,the world would be an alot happier place especially for unactrractive people.The use of intoxications would be reduced as well significantly.

Thinker_reborn

i lived in the middle east for 11years. while 8 of those years was in qatar. no one there was forced. but in saudi my mother was forced to cover herself completely. sex drive is what propogates the human race. should men have no desire then the human race would assuredly die out. if everyone was naked(in summer) the world would be a happier place. i dont disagree with the islamic customes. but i just find it sad because some of these women are extremely pretty but just end up covering their faces up. seems like a waste of a pretty face. however. in the end its usually personal choice.

oh yeah and saying everyone dies is no proof of a god......everything was dying before that. and should the laws of physics be correct. nothing. not even our planet will remain intact.

And her pretty face will not go to waste when it comes to her marriage.

But God gave them the pretty face.She had done nothing to deserve it.

And her pretty face will not go to waste when it comes to her marriage.

Thinker_reborn

And how do you propose anyone gets as far as marriage when you can't see her face?

so men will get women in heaven and women will get men , so it wuill be a big orgy ? they will have sex without marriage isnt this contradicting to his own teachings ? i cant beleive that someone really think that he will be having sex in heaven . and you want the whole women of the world to veil themselves ? what about also we put a little ring on them to know where they are ? ..

and about passion of the Christ , it portrayed jesus's suffering and there's nothing wrong with that because thats what happend 

please Will a MOD please save us this public display of ignorance ?

sorry i meant a bell , not a ring :)sentenced83

so men will get women in heaven and women will get men , so it wuill be a big orgy ? they will have sex without marriage isnt this contradicting to his own teachings ? i cant beleive that someone really think that he will be having sex in heaven . and you want the whole women of the world to veil themselves ? what about also we put a little ring on them to know where they are ? ..

and about passion of the Christ , it portrayed jesus's suffering and there's nothing wrong with that because thats what happend 

 

please Will a MOD please save us this public display of ignorance ?

sentenced83

Source ???????

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]What didn't they understand about it?Nkemjo

But despite all what man has achieved now,death is impossible to evade which shows that God made us this way that it would be impossible.

Then, when they reached the Valley of the Ants, an ant said: 'Ants! Enter your dwellings, so that Sulayman and his troops do not crush you unwittingly.' [Qur'aan, 27:18]

Scientists now know that ants have no ears and do not communicate by sound. They communicate by pheromones (volatile chemicals). That is a fault right there.

Also using gene therapy scientists know which genes cause the body to age. They used to think that aging was caused by errors in gene replication during mitosis and free radicals etc. Right now there are quite a few labs trying to isolate these genes and learn how to alter them to be switched off.

It is ture that ants donot have ears. However, your knowledge is not complete...... Ants do produce sounds using special body organs and oter ants detect them and even hear them(via vibrations). As far as this verse goes, let me remind you that this is a translation......and word for saidcan also be translated as indicated/exclaimed etc. You should understand, that Quran was revealed in the form of poetry.........

http://science.jrank.org/pages/450/Ants-Communication.html

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119284679/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Umm... No. Islam is misguided, Islamic countries are some of the worst in the world... The religion undeniabley favours men and oppresses women. ghoklebutter

I wonder wtf i was doing in november 2008

I wonder wtf i was doing in november 2008

kingkong0124

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

I wonder wtf i was doing in november 2008

BossPerson

The World Ends With You came out that year <3

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]Yup cuz their God is being portrayed in a terrible shape for the world to see..ghoklebutter

You are no Muslim. Allah and the Christian God are the same. In the Qur'an Jesus, as in the Book of Revelation, returns and saves you guys. I would think you would respect your savior enough not to say stuff like that."Their god"...please.

Actually, muslims do not worship Jesus as a God. According to the Qur'an, Jesus was a prophet of islam.

But you're right on one thing: Prophet Jesus will come back before the Last Day to defeat the antichrist. 

Whoa.

I'm pretty sure people knew what death was before the Qu'ran was written