150 Afghan school girls poisoned by Muslims opposed to female education.

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#151 deactivated-598fc45371265
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[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

Oh look, its PWSteal_Ldpinch, the biased propagandist!

bats94

Allah forbid him linking to a Reuters article.

Since when were you a Muslim?

What's- his- name converted me.

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#152 MrPraline
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#religionofpeace
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#153 jetpower3
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[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

And lol at secular dictators, they are radical Muslims. Most of the Muslims (who are moderate ones and not radical) would like to over throw their tyrants.

ShadowMoses900

You never cease to amaze me.

You honestly think that all the good Muslims like living under the boot of a radical Muslim dictator? There is a difference between Moderate Muslim (which are the majoirty) and radical Muslims, unfortunately in the ME the radical Muslims are the ones who usually have the power.

Arab dictators like Assad, Hussein, and Gaddafi are very different from "radical", violent non-state actors like Osama Bin Laden, Mullah Omar, and Zarqawi. The former are not radical Muslims, but simply use (or used) brute force to stay in power. The fact that they may profess to Islam does not change the fact that they are not interested in hardcore Sharia or having any kind of fundamentalist regime. Really, they hate each other.

Learn more about the massive rift between how these two groups operate and the tactics that they use before you make such statements.

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#154 Wasdie  Moderator
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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"] I never said anything about you generalizing or blaming. I said you pander to people that do. I don't expect moderators to upheld some sort of chivalry code, but the least I hope for is for them to respect me and what I believe, even if they disagree with it. Anything else just promotes strife, Muslim users have been driven away as is.Victorious_Fize

How am I pandering to people who do?

Do you want me to start banning everybody who speaks their mind? That kind of goes against our ToS and people's freedom of speech. I'm not agreeing with anybody who has something against Islam, but I'm not going to ban them nor am I going to spreak out against them because they aren't worth my time.

What the hell do you want from me?

The bolded part is a complete hyperbole and misrepresentation of what I was saying...

1- You pander to people who do by quoting them with a supportive statement.

2- I would hope for you not to do that.

You're a good moderator, but you need to take more responsibility as a moderator beyond handling the que.

How was what I say a supportive statement?

You're bias is swinging it to be a supportive statement.

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#155 quebec946
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extremists make muslims look bad, they are barbarians and are nothing like muslims.

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#156 deactivated-598fc45371265
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extremists make muslims look bad, they are barbarians and are nothing like muslims.

quebec946

Quebecers make Canadians look bad.

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#157 quebec946
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[QUOTE="quebec946"]

extremists make muslims look bad, they are barbarians and are nothing like muslims.

Storm_Marine

Quebecers make Canadians look bad.

im pround to be a canadian so..........

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#158 Wasdie  Moderator
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[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="quebec946"]

extremists make muslims look bad, they are barbarians and are nothing like muslims.

quebec946

Quebecers make Canadians look bad.

im pround to be a canadian so..........

Sorry to hear that.

:P

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#159 c0kemusheen
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[QUOTE="lo_Pine"][QUOTE="SaudiFury"] born in the USA, grew up in Saudi Arabia in the early to late 90's. Now I go back and forth a lot between the two. currently in college in the USA, will likely go back there for work. Don't know if i'll stay there forever, simply because i have no idea where i'll be in the long term future. SaudiFury

I am asking honestly, do people there hate Americans? Like what is the perception of the US there? Don't mind my extremists comments if you read them I am just being a dick .

as honestly as i can say it is a love-hate relationship. they love American goods and media, even if you hear clerics talk about how sinful it is and all. but what most Saudi's really hate is American government and specifically their policy towards the Middle East. There is also an issue of immorality which is huge over there, but the feeling i get with most Saudis is this "that is what they do over there, what is important is what we do here". Many of the conservative types and even some of the 'patriotic' types have a huge issue when the West starts making social demands.

But as far as the immorality stuff goes, i see Saudi a lot like the 1950's America. all the $hit is going on, but it's all behind closed doors.

There is an obsession with keeping a proper public image, which really isn't that unique in the Middle East or the East for that matter.

The feeling i get nowadays about the reaction to 9/11 is one of two reactions. 1. That was an awful tragedy done by evil men, and 2. That is too bad but they had it coming. and by #2 i mean it in the sense, that if something terrible had happened in the Muslim world because it was messing with another country, Americans would probably think "that sucks.. but you know... it IS the Middle East and they've messing with them Israeli's for a long time now". it's a false lamentation.

There is still a sense of false delusion that Saudi's couldn't possibly have done the attack. That there was no way good Muslim men could do that. Some people have woken up to this problem when terrorists starting attacking the kingdom itself in 2003. but there are still those who can't believe it.

and i am a bit tained because i am a halfy, half white and half Arab (technically white by US government), and people generally know i'm from America, have an American mother, or know i live there for months or years at a time. So if someone honestly thought Osama was the 'man' they probably would never say it to my face.and i also don't associate myself with the hardcore conservative types.

trust me when i say, at times i'll defend Saudi, but a lot of times i won't. and though i have options as to where i can live and work, i have more care and have more at stake with what goes on in Saudi then what most people on this forum who ceaselessly criticize ever will.

Very nice insight, I enjoyed your point of view

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#160 Zensword
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And Muslim wonder why Islam got bad rep ?
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#161 klusps
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I hate extremist....

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#162 PWSteal_Ldpinch
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[QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

Oh look, its PWSteal_Ldpinch, the biased propagandist!

Storm_Marine

Allah forbid him linking to a Reuters article.

Muslims hate the news because being informed is un-islamic.

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#163 MrPraline
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[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

Oh look, its PWSteal_Ldpinch, the biased propagandist!

PWSteal_Ldpinch

Allah forbid him linking to a Reuters article.

Muslims hate the news because being informed is un-islamic.

Haha yeah. Don't kill the messenger and all that jazz. But it's easier to stick a finger in both of your ears and go all la la la la (swt) I can't hear you bro.
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#164 surrealnumber5
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sounds like a simple misunderstanding. i am sure there was good intent and that is all that really matters, intent.
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#165 NoSpeakyEnglish
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[QUOTE="NoSpeakyEnglish"]Anyways, I'll never understand why these "men" see it as un Islamic for a women to educate herself.Zeviander
This might help.

Dude I'm Muslim too. I even clicked on the link itself and the first page is extremely misleading. It is the author's interpretation and he is dead wrong. In several of the verses, he confuses women with the disbelievers, attempts to say Muslim men *must* have sex with their wives during Ramadan (it's not obligatory; it's, and I quote, "lawful"), and takes a lot of things out of context. It's ridiculous how misleading the page is.
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#166 bobaban
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Typical Islamic behaviour. Keep this religion out of the west.
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#167 HoolaHoopMan
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That'll teach those girls from gettin' their learn on.
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#168 ghoklebutter
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Typical Islamic behaviour. Keep this religion out of the west. bobaban
Surprisingly, Islam doesn't forbid education for women. But the religion is still profoundly misogynistic.
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#169 Darkman2007
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[QUOTE="bobaban"]Typical Islamic behaviour. Keep this religion out of the west. ghoklebutter
Surprisingly, Islam doesn't forbid education for women. But the religion is still profoundly misogynistic.

so its not Islam , so much as the cultures that its dominant in?
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#170 Zeviander
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It is the author's interpretation and he is dead wrong. NoSpeakyEnglish
Are you going to tell me your interpretation is better? Or that of an authority figure? Religious texts are meant to be interpreted, and no one interpretation is "right" and all others are "wrong". An appeal to authority is a logical fallacy. Everyone should read the passages for themselves and pass their own judgement. I merely linked that list because it was convenient and in my bookmarks.
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#171 NoSpeakyEnglish
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[QUOTE="NoSpeakyEnglish"]It is the author's interpretation and he is dead wrong. Zeviander
Are you going to tell me your interpretation is better? Or that of an authority figure? Religious texts are meant to be interpreted, and no one interpretation is "right" and all others are "wrong". An appeal to authority is a logical fallacy. Everyone should read the passages for themselves and pass their own judgement. I merely linked that list because it was convenient and in my bookmarks.

And once everyone reads the passages for themselves, they will see this guy is dead wrong. I guess interpretation wasn't the correct word, but he is making things appear worse than what they are (e.g. the Ramadan sex, the suggestion that rape is OK in Islam).
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#172 wis3boi
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[QUOTE="quebec946"]

extremists make muslims look bad, they are barbarians and are nothing like muslims.

Storm_Marine

Quebecers make Canadians look bad.

True story.