1.7 years later: has Barrack Obama been a good president?

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[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"] Wow, almost 2 years later and people are still trying to blame Bush for Obama's failures.worlock77

They always will. And no, he hasn't been a good President. Almost everything they've done has been against the majority of people's opinion.

Thus far he's, for the most part, done what he campaigned on, so it would seem that what he's doing is, in fact, in accordance to the majority of people's opinion.

Not after facts came out about things like health care. People were against it. All the backdoor deals, taxes, blah blah blah. Suing Arizona etc etc. I could keep going. I'm not saying he's a bad President, but he's far from good.

Also, he could have been freaking Osama, as long as he wasn't a Republican he would have won the race. What he said didn't matter.

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Seeing that Obama hasn't shown the American People a legal copy of his Hawaiian birth certificate, but instead has spent over $1 million trying to hide it, I'm certain that the man cannot serve as President of the USA, because he hasn't proven himself to be a natural-born American citizen. But not one Democrat or Republican stood up before the 2008 election and said, "Wait a minute, where's the birth certificate, Obama?" Other than that, Obama is a Marxist-Socialist, and has proven himself to be one by his actions. He promised us change, he promised us that he'd "fundamentally transform" the nation, and so far that's exactly what he's been doing, but not in a good way. He wants to make America a second-world country like Cuba and China and North Korea. He's a communist, no doubt, and he will stop at nothing until his sick dreams are made a reality. And don't say that I don't know what I'm talking about. I know EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Check out my blog at http://www.xcocon.weebly.com/ --- I make new blog posts about twice a week.ZCatan

You are forgetting TERRORIST. Obama is also a TERRORIST.

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[QUOTE="ZCatan"]Seeing that Obama hasn't shown the American People a legal copy of his Hawaiian birth certificate, but instead has spent over $1 million trying to hide it, I'm certain that the man cannot serve as President of the USA, because he hasn't proven himself to be a natural-born American citizen. But not one Democrat or Republican stood up before the 2008 election and said, "Wait a minute, where's the birth certificate, Obama?" Other than that, Obama is a Marxist-Socialist, and has proven himself to be one by his actions. He promised us change, he promised us that he'd "fundamentally transform" the nation, and so far that's exactly what he's been doing, but not in a good way. He wants to make America a second-world country like Cuba and China and North Korea. He's a communist, no doubt, and he will stop at nothing until his sick dreams are made a reality. And don't say that I don't know what I'm talking about. I know EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Check out my blog at http://www.xcocon.weebly.com/ --- I make new blog posts about twice a week.alfredooo

You are forgetting TERRORIST. Obama is also a TERRORIST.

He's gay too.
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Seeing that Obama hasn't shown the American People a legal copy of his Hawaiian birth certificate, but instead has spent over $1 million trying to hide it, I'm certain that the man cannot serve as President of the USA, because he hasn't proven himself to be a natural-born American citizen. But not one Democrat or Republican stood up before the 2008 election and said, "Wait a minute, where's the birth certificate, Obama?" Other than that, Obama is a Marxist-Socialist, and has proven himself to be one by his actions. He promised us change, he promised us that he'd "fundamentally transform" the nation, and so far that's exactly what he's been doing, but not in a good way. He wants to make America a second-world country like Cuba and China and North Korea. He's a communist, no doubt, and he will stop at nothing until his sick dreams are made a reality. And don't say that I don't know what I'm talking about. I know EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Check out my blog at http://www.xcocon.weebly.com/ --- I make new blog posts about twice a week.ZCatan

I loled here for some reason. Normally people link to bloggers but a blogger is linking to people :O

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I think he's a decent president. I've much rather have him than have George Bush or McCain.

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[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

[QUOTE="ZCatan"]Seeing that Obama hasn't shown the American People a legal copy of his Hawaiian birth certificate, but instead has spent over $1 million trying to hide it, I'm certain that the man cannot serve as President of the USA, because he hasn't proven himself to be a natural-born American citizen. But not one Democrat or Republican stood up before the 2008 election and said, "Wait a minute, where's the birth certificate, Obama?" Other than that, Obama is a Marxist-Socialist, and has proven himself to be one by his actions. He promised us change, he promised us that he'd "fundamentally transform" the nation, and so far that's exactly what he's been doing, but not in a good way. He wants to make America a second-world country like Cuba and China and North Korea. He's a communist, no doubt, and he will stop at nothing until his sick dreams are made a reality. And don't say that I don't know what I'm talking about. I know EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Check out my blog at http://www.xcocon.weebly.com/ --- I make new blog posts about twice a week.wstfld

You are forgetting TERRORIST. Obama is also a TERRORIST.

He's gay too.

Yes. He's also racist.

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[QUOTE="wstfld"][QUOTE="alfredooo"]

You are forgetting TERRORIST. Obama is also a TERRORIST.

alfredooo

He's gay too.

Yes. He's also racist.

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Seeing that Obama hasn't shown the American People a legal copy of his Hawaiian birth certificate, but instead has spent over $1 million trying to hide it, I'm certain that the man cannot serve as President of the USA, because he hasn't proven himself to be a natural-born American citizen.But not one Democrat or Republican stood up before the 2008 election and said, "Wait a minute, where's the birth certificate, Obama?"

Maybe they had better things to campaign on than some conjecture? I'd hate to campaign on "Obama hasn't produced his birth certificate, therefore, it does not exist", mainly because the logic is totally screwy and it won't win me any new votes.

Other than that, Obama is a Marxist-Socialist, and has proven himself to be one by his actions.

As a socialist myself, I don't see how. Can you give us an example?

He promised us change, he promised us that he'd "fundamentally transform" the nation, and so far that's exactly what he's been doing, but not in a good way.

Obviously not for you, seeing as such a value-judgment is subjective.

He wants to make America a second-world country like Cuba and China and North Korea. He's a communist, no doubt, and he will stop at nothing until his sick dreams are made a reality. And don't say that I don't know what I'm talking about. I know EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

Oh, I don't doubt you know what you're talking about, but your confidence isn't proof of factuality. Also, you said he was a Marxist-socialist earlier, is he both this and a communist? Or will you just drop it all for "Marxist"?ZCatan

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[QUOTE="wstfld"][QUOTE="alfredooo"]

You are forgetting TERRORIST. Obama is also a TERRORIST.

alfredooo

He's gay too.

Yes. He's also racist.

You've heard about that secret project where they saved Hitler's brain? Well what people don't know is that they put it into Obama body, so Obama doesn't admire Hitler he IS Hitler.

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[QUOTE="ZCatan"]Seeing that Obama hasn't shown the American People a legal copy of his Hawaiian birth certificate, but instead has spent over $1 million trying to hide it, I'm certain that the man cannot serve as President of the USA, because he hasn't proven himself to be a natural-born American citizen.But not one Democrat or Republican stood up before the 2008 election and said, "Wait a minute, where's the birth certificate, Obama?"

Maybe they had better things to campaign on than some conjecture? I'd hate to campaign on "Obama hasn't produced his birth certificate, therefore, it does not exist", mainly because the logic is totally screwy and it won't win me any new votes.

T_P_O

We don't need to see it! THE GUY EATS HIS BURGER THE WRONG WAY. HE IS OBVIOUSLY NOT AMERICAN. For God's sake, that's more than enough proof.

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Way too early. Reagan's popularity was pretty low early in his first term, but he finally got the economy turned around from the stagflation years of Carter. Give Obama some time.

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[QUOTE="ZCatan"]Seeing that Obama hasn't shown the American People a legal copy of his Hawaiian birth certificate, but instead has spent over $1 million trying to hide it, I'm certain that the man cannot serve as President of the USA, because he hasn't proven himself to be a natural-born American citizen.But not one Democrat or Republican stood up before the 2008 election and said, "Wait a minute, where's the birth certificate, Obama?"

Maybe they had better things to campaign on than some conjecture? I'd hate to campaign on "Obama hasn't produced his birth certificate, therefore, it does not exist", mainly because the logic is totally screwy and it won't win me any new votes.

Other than that, Obama is a Marxist-Socialist, and has proven himself to be one by his actions.

As a socialist myself, I don't see how. Can you give us an example?

He promised us change, he promised us that he'd "fundamentally transform" the nation, and so far that's exactly what he's been doing, but not in a good way.

Obviously not for you, seeing as such a value-judgment is subjective.

He wants to make America a second-world country like Cuba and China and North Korea. He's a communist, no doubt, and he will stop at nothing until his sick dreams are made a reality. And don't say that I don't know what I'm talking about. I know EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

Oh, I don't doubt you know what you're talking about, but your confidence isn't proof of factuality. Also, you said he was a Marxist-socialist earlier, is he both this and a communist? Or will you just drop it all for "Marxist"?T_P_O

1) Obama has not proven himself to be a natural-born citizen, and therefore he can't legally be President. 2) Universal Healthcare; and why the heck are YOU a socialist? Socialism leads to communism, and communism leads to the deaths of millions. See Soviet Union, People's Republic of China, Vietnam, Cambodia, North Korea... 3) Morality and wisdom have to come into play at some point. The words "good" and "evil," "wise" and "foolish" are not interpretive. 4) Sure I'll drop it all for Marxist, because that covers it all.
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[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

[QUOTE="wstfld"] He's gay too. theone86

Yes. He's also racist.

You've heard about that secret project where they saved Hitler's brain? Well what people don't know is that they put it into Obama body, so Obama doesn't admire Hitler he IS Hitler.

Heard biden was in charge of the SS and the gestapo.

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[QUOTE="wstfld"][QUOTE="alfredooo"]

You are forgetting TERRORIST. Obama is also a TERRORIST.

alfredooo

He's gay too.

Yes. He's also racist.

He is also in leagues with Kim Jong of North Korea by helping them build nuclear weapons to blow up major US cities.
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[QUOTE="T_P_O"]

[QUOTE="ZCatan"]Seeing that Obama hasn't shown the American People a legal copy of his Hawaiian birth certificate, but instead has spent over $1 million trying to hide it, I'm certain that the man cannot serve as President of the USA, because he hasn't proven himself to be a natural-born American citizen.But not one Democrat or Republican stood up before the 2008 election and said, "Wait a minute, where's the birth certificate, Obama?"

Maybe they had better things to campaign on than some conjecture? I'd hate to campaign on "Obama hasn't produced his birth certificate, therefore, it does not exist", mainly because the logic is totally screwy and it won't win me any new votes.

Other than that, Obama is a Marxist-Socialist, and has proven himself to be one by his actions.

As a socialist myself, I don't see how. Can you give us an example?

He promised us change, he promised us that he'd "fundamentally transform" the nation, and so far that's exactly what he's been doing, but not in a good way.

Obviously not for you, seeing as such a value-judgment is subjective.

He wants to make America a second-world country like Cuba and China and North Korea. He's a communist, no doubt, and he will stop at nothing until his sick dreams are made a reality. And don't say that I don't know what I'm talking about. I know EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

Oh, I don't doubt you know what you're talking about, but your confidence isn't proof of factuality. Also, you said he was a Marxist-socialist earlier, is he both this and a communist? Or will you just drop it all for "Marxist"?ZCatan

1) Obama has not proven himself to be a natural-born citizen, and therefore he can't legally be President. 2) Universal Healthcare; and why the heck are YOU a socialist? Socialism leads to communism, and communism leads to the deaths of millions. See Soviet Union, People's Republic of China, Vietnam, Cambodia, North Korea... 3) Morality and wisdom have to come into play at some point. The words "good" and "evil," "wise" and "foolish" are not interpretive. 4) Sure I'll drop it all for Marxist, because that covers it all.

1) Every president HAS to prove that they are a natural born citizen, there are people who check these things you know.

2) That's not socialism, and socialism does not lead to communism necessarily, and communism does not lead to the deaths of millions necessarily. How about you try reading a book and learning a thing or two about what you're talking about rather than just opening your mouth.

3) Yes they are, morality is subjective.

4) No it doesn't.

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Overall I think he is decent considering the situation the country was in when he became president. The economy is still terrible though.
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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

Yes. He's also racist.

You've heard about that secret project where they saved Hitler's brain? Well what people don't know is that they put it into Obama body, so Obama doesn't admire Hitler he IS Hitler.

Heard biden was in charge of the SS and the gestapo.

That would require Biden actually having some brains. Rest assured, he's got none of those. Just a mouth that won't stop talking. What was Obama thinking?
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You've heard about that secret project where they saved Hitler's brain? Well what people don't know is that they put it into Obama body, so Obama doesn't admire Hitler he IS Hitler.

theone86

As much as I love that one... he has a deep seated hatred for white people so he can't be Hitler However, I think its possible that some of his brain belonged to Hitler So he is only partly Hitler That also explains why he is Nazi.

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]I don't know who Barrack Obama is.flash_drive
Me neither.

You're obviously not americans. But i thought every one knew who he was american or not.

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[QUOTE="T_P_O"]

[QUOTE="ZCatan"]Seeing that Obama hasn't shown the American People a legal copy of his Hawaiian birth certificate, but instead has spent over $1 million trying to hide it, I'm certain that the man cannot serve as President of the USA, because he hasn't proven himself to be a natural-born American citizen.But not one Democrat or Republican stood up before the 2008 election and said, "Wait a minute, where's the birth certificate, Obama?"

Maybe they had better things to campaign on than some conjecture? I'd hate to campaign on "Obama hasn't produced his birth certificate, therefore, it does not exist", mainly because the logic is totally screwy and it won't win me any new votes.

Other than that, Obama is a Marxist-Socialist, and has proven himself to be one by his actions.

As a socialist myself, I don't see how. Can you give us an example?

He promised us change, he promised us that he'd "fundamentally transform" the nation, and so far that's exactly what he's been doing, but not in a good way.

Obviously not for you, seeing as such a value-judgment is subjective.

He wants to make America a second-world country like Cuba and China and North Korea. He's a communist, no doubt, and he will stop at nothing until his sick dreams are made a reality. And don't say that I don't know what I'm talking about. I know EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

Oh, I don't doubt you know what you're talking about, but your confidence isn't proof of factuality. Also, you said he was a Marxist-socialist earlier, is he both this and a communist? Or will you just drop it all for "Marxist"?ZCatan

1) Obama has not proven himself to be a natural-born citizen, and therefore he can't legally be President. 2) Universal Healthcare; and why the heck are YOU a socialist? Socialism leads to communism, and communism leads to the deaths of millions. See Soviet Union, People's Republic of China, Vietnam, Cambodia, North Korea... 3) Morality and wisdom have to come into play at some point. The words "good" and "evil," "wise" and "foolish" are not interpretive. 4) Sure I'll drop it all for Marxist, because that covers it all.

1. Yes he has. He produced his birth certificate.
2. What universal healthcare? It hasn't passed in the US.

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[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

You've heard about that secret project where they saved Hitler's brain? Well what people don't know is that they put it into Obama body, so Obama doesn't admire Hitler he IS Hitler.

Heard biden was in charge of the SS and the gestapo.

That would require Biden actually having some brains. Rest assured, he's got none of those. Just a mouth that won't stop talking. What was Obama thinking?

It's all an act. Obama is purposely misleading the people of this nation so it will be easier for him to take over as overlord.
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[QUOTE="ZCatan"][QUOTE="T_P_O"]

theone86

1) Obama has not proven himself to be a natural-born citizen, and therefore he can't legally be President. 2) Universal Healthcare; and why the heck are YOU a socialist? Socialism leads to communism, and communism leads to the deaths of millions. See Soviet Union, People's Republic of China, Vietnam, Cambodia, North Korea... 3) Morality and wisdom have to come into play at some point. The words "good" and "evil," "wise" and "foolish" are not interpretive. 4) Sure I'll drop it all for Marxist, because that covers it all.

1) Every president HAS to prove that they are a natural born citizen, there are people who check these things you know.

2) That's not socialism, and socialism does not lead to communism necessarily, and communism does not lead to the deaths of millions necessarily. How about you try reading a book and learning a thing or two about what you're talking about rather than just opening your mouth.

3) Yes they are, morality is subjective.

4) No it doesn't.

haha OK.
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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

You've heard about that secret project where they saved Hitler's brain? Well what people don't know is that they put it into Obama body, so Obama doesn't admire Hitler he IS Hitler.

sonicare

Heard biden was in charge of the SS and the gestapo.

That would require Biden actually having some brains. Rest assured, he's got none of those. Just a mouth that won't stop talking. What was Obama thinking?

Biden's smart, no doubt about that, he just doesn't think about what he's saying.

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[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

Heard biden was in charge of the SS and the gestapo.

chessmaster1989

That would require Biden actually having some brains. Rest assured, he's got none of those. Just a mouth that won't stop talking. What was Obama thinking?

Biden's smart, no doubt about that, he just doesn't think about what he's saying.

Sounds like dubya.

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[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="ZCatan"] 1) Obama has not proven himself to be a natural-born citizen, and therefore he can't legally be President. 2) Universal Healthcare; and why the heck are YOU a socialist? Socialism leads to communism, and communism leads to the deaths of millions. See Soviet Union, People's Republic of China, Vietnam, Cambodia, North Korea... 3) Morality and wisdom have to come into play at some point. The words "good" and "evil," "wise" and "foolish" are not interpretive. 4) Sure I'll drop it all for Marxist, because that covers it all.ZCatan

1) Every president HAS to prove that they are a natural born citizen, there are people who check these things you know.

2) That's not socialism, and socialism does not lead to communism necessarily, and communism does not lead to the deaths of millions necessarily. How about you try reading a book and learning a thing or two about what you're talking about rather than just opening your mouth.

3) Yes they are, morality is subjective.

4) No it doesn't.

haha OK.

If you can't provide a decent retort then why reply at all? Either admit you have nothing to say to counter what I posted or just leave.

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@chessmaster: 1) Show me his birth certificate. 2) http://abcnews.go.com/WN/HealthCare/obama-signs-health-care-bill-law/story?id=10178597
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[QUOTE="ZCatan"][QUOTE="theone86"]

1) Every president HAS to prove that they are a natural born citizen, there are people who check these things you know.

2) That's not socialism, and socialism does not lead to communism necessarily, and communism does not lead to the deaths of millions necessarily. How about you try reading a book and learning a thing or two about what you're talking about rather than just opening your mouth.

3) Yes they are, morality is subjective.

4) No it doesn't.

theone86

haha OK.

If you can't provide a decent retort then why reply at all? Either admit you have nothing to say to counter what I posted or just leave.

Nah, that's OK. You win.
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It's all an act. Obama is purposely misleading the people of this nation so it will be easier for him to take over as overlord. ferrari2001

I heard he has plans with Russia, China and North Korea to make communism spread all over the world!

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1) Show me his birth certificate. 2) http://abcnews.go.com/WN/HealthCare/obama-signs-health-care-bill-law/story?id=10178597ZCatan

1. With pleasure
2. I guess you never paid attention to what's actually in the bill? Because it sure as hell isn't universal healthcare. Not even close. :|

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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]

It's all an act. Obama is purposely misleading the people of this nation so it will be easier for him to take over as overlord. Espada12

I heard he has plans with Russia, China and North Korea to make communism spread all over the world!

It's worse than that. He plans to make all whites and supporters of America work in rock moving plants across the country. We will then have to build statues to Obama and all other communist leaders. Then come the 10,000 pyramids we will be required to build without technology.
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

Heard biden was in charge of the SS and the gestapo.

That would require Biden actually having some brains. Rest assured, he's got none of those. Just a mouth that won't stop talking. What was Obama thinking?

Biden's smart, no doubt about that, he just doesn't think about what he's saying.

There's plenty of doubt about Biden's intellect. He's the democrat equivalent of Sarah Palin. Well, maybe not that dumb, but still pretty dumb. "Look, John's last-minute economic plan does nothing to tackle the number one job facing the middle class, and it happens to be, as Barack says, a three-letter word: jobs. J-O-B-S." Joe Biden Jobs is a three-letter-word, according to Biden speaking about John McCain's economic policies at a US presidential election rally, October 2008 . "Mark my words. It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy." Joe Biden Gaffe-prone Biden predicted an international crisis during first six months of Obama's Presidency, at fund-raising gathering in Seattle in October 2008.
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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]

It's all an act. Obama is purposely misleading the people of this nation so it will be easier for him to take over as overlord. Espada12

I heard he has plans with Russia, China and North Korea to make communism spread all over the world!

I've heard that he's not actually a human being and he's trying to criple our economy and army to make it easier for the alien invasion.
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1) Obama has not proven himself to be a natural-born citizen, and therefore he can't legally be President.

2) Universal Healthcare; and why the heck are YOU a socialist? Socialism leads to communism, and communism leads to the deaths of millions. See Soviet Union, People's Republic of China, Vietnam, Cambodia, North Korea...

3) Morality and wisdom have to come into play at some point. The words "good" and "evil," "wise" and "foolish" are not interpretive.

4) Sure I'll drop it all for Marxist, because that covers it all.ZCatan

1) I think the Courts and whatnot would have made sure to confirm he was a citizen of the USA. But regardless, here's the fact check article I find usefuland I'll move on from this point. Seeing as it'll be met with more skepticism and will take over the thread.

2) Universal healthcare is not an exclusively socialist thing any-more. Sure, you could claim back in the day when it was actually a new idea, that it was pretty radical and the socialist parties would've supported it. Nowadays, most Western developed nations have some form of universal healthcare, and most of them aren't socialist states, and have rather prominent neo-liberal and conservative parties (ie, the UK) that support the universal healthcare system in their country. It was actually a liberal (and not a socialist) in the UK who proposed the universal healthcare system as part of reform on insurance, the Labour party actually won the 1945 election because they'd implement it.

Why am I a socialist? Good question. I believe that an individual should have the most liberty they can have, and I oppose coercive social organizations. Capitalism and the State (synonym for government, whatever) at the minute both have this coercive element to them in my view. Socialism doesn't necessarily lead to communism, and communism as an ideologykills no one. Other people and the conditions of the environment (squallor, disease, poisoning, hazards, pratfalls, etc) kill people. People who identify as communists have killed people, communism hasn't killed anyone.

tl;dr this is as close as you'll get on wikipedia to me

3) Well, depends on your meta-ethics and your ethics really.

4) Cool, makes more sense, though I don't agree with it.

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No he has been horrible i rather have bush with a republican congress

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Now I wonder why this thread attracted so many conspiracy theorists...Hmmm...?
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haha. no. :P
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No he has been horrible i rather have bush with a republican congress

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That would be just as bad. And I'm a fiscal conservative.
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Given what he had to work with--the disarray from mistakes left behind by a person who had no business being in office, especially for 2 terms--I would say that progress will come slowly, and that any errors and setbacks must be expected, and may not necessarily come as the fault of Obama. I think that he is doing a fine job.sinistra45

The typical blame Bush. Awesome.

I'm sure Bush also caused the BP oil spill and continues to send troops to the Middle East...

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@chessmaster: 1) That is not a legal birth certificate, not matter how much you say it is. That is a certification of live birth, a COLB, which can be obtained anywhere at any time by anyone. And, that COLB itself has been proven to be a forgery. And I'm pretty sure that laser printers didn't exist back in 1961... 2) Obamacare is redistribution: it's the taking of tax payer dollars and giving it to the poor to pay for their health care. Socialism: BAM.
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[QUOTE="sinistra45"]Given what he had to work with--the disarray from mistakes left behind by a person who had no business being in office, especially for 2 terms--I would say that progress will come slowly, and that any errors and setbacks must be expected, and may not necessarily come as the fault of Obama. I think that he is doing a fine job.Wasdie

The typical blame Bush. Awesome.

I'm sure Bush also caused the BP oil spill and continues to send troops to the Middle East...

Actually Bush was seen leaving the site of the oil rig shortly after the explosion. He had camo on too.
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Hes not good. Not the worst though. I wish he wasn't so set on that healthcare bill.

Though, he gets so much less hate for similar things to what Bush did. Its just sad.

magnax1

Bush was the devil. Every time he took a breath he wronged somebody. We should never of attack Afghanistan after 9/11, after all it had to be an inside job. Also Bush was wrong for lowering taxes on businesses, he should have been increasing them while putting more constraints on their spending, there would never have been a recession then. Also he should have seen the banks failing years ago and did something about it.

Bush was also wrong for lowering taxes in general. We needed more taxes so we can keep spending more on things like healthcare, welfare benefits, and social security. It was also Bush's fault for all of Katrina. The federal government should have known that the city and state governments would not be able to handle the evacuations right away.

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="sinistra45"]Given what he had to work with--the disarray from mistakes left behind by a person who had no business being in office, especially for 2 terms--I would say that progress will come slowly, and that any errors and setbacks must be expected, and may not necessarily come as the fault of Obama. I think that he is doing a fine job.sonicare

The typical blame Bush. Awesome.

I'm sure Bush also caused the BP oil spill and continues to send troops to the Middle East...

Actually Bush was seen leaving the site of the oil rig shortly after the explosion. He had camo on too.

And a detonator in the shape of a W. Infact if you look at the patterns in the oil spill there are very clear Ws, obviously he left his mark.

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IT'S NOT HIS FAULT WITH THE GULF SPILL! what really matters is that he is doing his part for it
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[QUOTE="ZCatan"]

1) Obama has not proven himself to be a natural-born citizen, and therefore he can't legally be President.

2) Universal Healthcare; and why the heck are YOU a socialist? Socialism leads to communism, and communism leads to the deaths of millions. See Soviet Union, People's Republic of China, Vietnam, Cambodia, North Korea...

3) Morality and wisdom have to come into play at some point. The words "good" and "evil," "wise" and "foolish" are not interpretive.

4) Sure I'll drop it all for Marxist, because that covers it all.T_P_O

1) I think the Courts and whatnot would have made sure to confirm he was a citizen of the USA. But regardless, here's the fact check article I find usefuland I'll move on from this point. Seeing as it'll be met with more skepticism and will take over the thread.

2) Universal healthcare is not an exclusively socialist thing any-more. Sure, you could claim back in the day when it was actually a new idea, that it was pretty radical and the socialist parties would've supported it. Nowadays, most Western developed nations have some form of universal healthcare, and most of them aren't socialist states, and have rather prominent neo-liberal and conservative parties (ie, the UK) that support the universal healthcare system in their country. It was actually a liberal (and not a socialist) in the UK who proposed the universal healthcare system as part of reform on insurance, the Labour party actually won the 1945 election because they'd implement it.

Why am I a socialist? Good question. I believe that an individual should have the most liberty they can have, and I oppose coercive social organizations. Capitalism and the State (synonym for government, whatever) at the minute both have this coercive element to them in my view. Socialism doesn't necessarily lead to communism, and communism as an ideologykills no one. Other people and the conditions of the environment (squallor, disease, poisoning, hazards, pratfalls, etc) kill people. People who identify as communists have killed people, communism hasn't killed anyone.

tl;dr this is as close as you'll get on wikipedia to me

3) Well, depends on your meta-ethics and your ethics really.

4) Cool, makes more sense, though I don't agree with it.

1) See my message @chessmaster 2) Call it what you may, but Universal Healthcare is one step closer to socialism. And our liberty comes from God, not the government. And I didn't say that communism has killed anyone, I said that it leads to the deaths of millions. It has failed in the past, it continues to fail, and it will only work if every human being on the face of the Earth is sinless and perfect like God. Pride, and the love of money would have to be erased from our minds in order for communism to work. 3) No, it depends on what the Holy One says is holy or sinful. 4) Ok.
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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

The typical blame Bush. Awesome.

I'm sure Bush also caused the BP oil spill and continues to send troops to the Middle East...

Actually Bush was seen leaving the site of the oil rig shortly after the explosion. He had camo on too.

And a detonator in the shape of a W. Infact if you look at the patterns in the oil spill there are very clear Ws, obviously he left his mark.

Good eye.
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@chessmaster: 1) That is not a legal birth certificate, not matter how much you say it is. That is a certification of live birth, a COLB, which can be obtained anywhere at any time by anyone. And, that COLB itself has been proven to be a forgery. And I'm pretty sure that laser printers didn't exist back in 1961... 2) Obamacare is redistribution: it's the taking of tax payer dollars and giving it to the poor to pay for their health care. Socialism: BAM.ZCatan

1) All Presidents undergo vetting, a process whereby their records are vigorously checked to make sure that they are indeed qualified to be President. Obama underwent vetting, Obama provided his birth certificate to the right people, Obama is a U.S. citizen.

2) Obamacare is not redistribution, if you had any real comprehension of what was in the bill instead of simply listening to whatever extremist propaganda you're currently soaking up you wouldn't be saying that. Redistribution is alos not equivalent to socialism. Two strikes, care to take another swing at it?

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[QUOTE="magnax1"]

Hes not good. Not the worst though. I wish he wasn't so set on that healthcare bill.

Though, he gets so much less hate for similar things to what Bush did. Its just sad.

Wasdie

Bush was the devil. Every time he took a breath he wronged somebody. We should never of attack Afghanistan after 9/11, after all it had to be an inside job. Also Bush was wrong for lowering taxes on businesses, he should have been increasing them while putting more constraints on their spending, there would never have been a recession then. Also he should have seen the banks failing years ago and did something about it.

Bush was also wrong for lowering taxes in general. We needed more taxes so we can keep spending more on things like healthcare, welfare benefits, and social security. It was also Bush's fault for all of Katrina. The federal government should have known that the city and state governments would not be able to handle the evacuations right away.

lolz
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What has he done that has any concrete data to support it made a positive impact on the US and world? And I am posing the question out of curiousity and not as a negative toward him. I really want to know because i am not sure you can really tell this soon in a president's term.
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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="sinistra45"]Given what he had to work with--the disarray from mistakes left behind by a person who had no business being in office, especially for 2 terms--I would say that progress will come slowly, and that any errors and setbacks must be expected, and may not necessarily come as the fault of Obama. I think that he is doing a fine job.sonicare

The typical blame Bush. Awesome.

I'm sure Bush also caused the BP oil spill and continues to send troops to the Middle East...

Actually Bush was seen leaving the site of the oil rig shortly after the explosion. He had camo on too.

Oh I thought I saw a picture of a very suspicious dolphin fleeing the scene. That HAD to be him.

Seriously the Bush hatred has to stop. Obama is following damn near EVERY single monetary policy that was started by the late Bush administration after the beginning of the bailouts and has only gotten worse. Remember how awesome cash for clunkers was? Toyota and Honda really appreciated that. Putting more money into the failures that is medicare is also a crowning achievement. Let's not forget the large amounts of payouts CEOs were getting during the bailouts. Even after all of this extra government spending into the banks, auto industry, "recovery programs" (how many stimulus bills had to get passed to get our economy stable yet still hasn't fully recovered?), Obama has still increased the amount of troops in the Middle East, has taken the same exact stance against Iran that the Bush administration did, and continues to ignore any of the social changes he stood by while running.

He is Bush 2.0 to say the least. Sure he's black, he's younger, and he's made it look like he's trying to pass social reform bills (completely written behind closed doors away from the public and have to convince same party members just to vote for the bloated bill), he's still Bush 2.0. It's failure of an even higher degree.

Forget any sort of tax cuts and limits on government spending to attempt to stop this massive deficit spending, it's only going to get worse. Already Obama has passed as much spending as Bush did in one entire term, more in fact! It's only going to get worse as he and the democratic party shove more "change" down our throats with bloated bills written behind closed doors and laced with pork barrel spending.