2024 OT Election Day Thread: Donald Trump elected POTUS, GOP wins Senate and House of Representatives

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#1951 JoshRMeyer
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@nirgal: I don’t know anything about the coins you’re talking about and I doubt most Americans know either or care. The part I was talking about was when you basically called anyone that voted for Trump as having no college education and therefore stupid. There’s plenty of stupid on both sides and it doesn’t discriminate whether or not someone has a college degree.

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@joshrmeyer: I absolutely never used the word "all". It's the truth that trump has done substantially better among people without college degrees and it's true that education has a high correlation with IQ.

But that is not the reason I called people stupid. I am certainly aware that you can be intelligent without a college degree.

I called people stupid because very obvious scams are taking place in front of their eyes by the person they idolized and made president, yet they are not able to see it.

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@nirgal said:

@uninspiredcup: the picture is fake.

My bad. Posting like Sarge.

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#1954  Edited By Maroxad
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@nirgal: That made me curious about the split this election.

Almost a 50/50 among college educated men, The gap is definately bigger among college educated women though. But still, much lower than what it usually is.

But yes, appealing to non college educated voters continues to be a challenge for democrats.

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#1955 SargentD
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@rzing said:

@Maroxad: it is telling. Notice how our resident maga crew ignore posts showing the hurt these policies cause and the general human effects? It's always macro level discussions. They have little ability to show empathy or compassion for others, a significant character flaw but the bread and butter of the maga movement. If it doesn't hurt them personally then it only matters that it hurts those they do not like.

I see a bunch of leftys not saying shit as ICE rounds up rapists and gang members in sanctuary cities. Why does the left ignore it. Is it because they are the ones that allowed these people to stay in the first place, let these people be released back into the community after committing multiple crimes.

Sanctuary cities are bad policy, this has caused hurt in communities. You have no moral high ground. The anti maga crowd are the ones who need to do soul searching.

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#1956 LJS9502_basic
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@nirgal said:

@Maroxad: and this is just so obvious, there is not even some plausible deniability.

I am also for regulating immigration access and thought the democrats did a very bad job at it for ideological reasons.

But there are so many dumb desitions and very obvious acts of corruption right now that I cannot see how anyone would not see this.

And to add insult to injury, the candidate that was partially voted for his supposed aspiration to peace is militarily threatening a bunch of neutral/allied countries.

It's way too much.

Democrats had a bipartisan bill to be signed that would address all this but the MAGA took their orders from Trump and refused to bring it to a vote.

Trump was corrupt the last time he was in office, how anyone ignored that and voted for him tells you they only care about the rhetoric and hurting others. Meanwhile, magas are crying as his policies hurt them.

You only have to look in this thread to see his supporters gleefully posting memes and false facts. Biden actually had less immigration crossings than Trump did pre covid. They did dive during the pandemic but that was not because of Trump's border policies. Trump is eroding any standing the United States has in the world and they don't see that. They think a country, any country, can exist in today's global economy as isolationist. They are foolish, uneducated, and lack any critical thinking skills.

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#1957 LJS9502_basic
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@joshrmeyer said:

@nirgal: I don’t know anything about the coins you’re talking about and I doubt most Americans know either or care. The part I was talking about was when you basically called anyone that voted for Trump as having no college education and therefore stupid. There’s plenty of stupid on both sides and it doesn’t discriminate whether or not someone has a college degree.

Many Americans care. The coins wiped out their savings. Not that I feel sorry for maga. But it was a scam. Release the coins and classic rug pull. If you don't know about them, then you shouldn't say it's a fake story.

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#1958  Edited By Maroxad
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Just a reminder that Undocumented immigrants commit crimes at lower rates.

https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/undocumented-immigrant-offending-rate-lower-us-born-citizen-rate

Also, only 6% of Greenlanders want to join the US. Far more Greenlanders want to stay in denmark than join the US. Trump should not bully anyone into joining his nation.

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#1959  Edited By Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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@Planeforger said:
@Stevo_the_gamer said:

lol. Oh believe me, I'm still very entertained by the end is nigh rhetoric. Day 7 and still no order 57!

That checks out.

Everyone across the street is shouting that your house is on fire, and you're just sitting there giggling at all of the loud noises outside.

Look, whatever. It's not really worth the argument. If I'm wrong I might look a bit silly. If you're wrong, your country is about to crash hard, and the world is going to be messed up for a while. I hope I'm wrong, really.

Oh, I'm just fascinated by the virtuous knights in their internet armour beating the drums of doom (all or nothing arguments), regardless of geographic locale, while relying on the important -isms to frame their arguments of moral superiority. "You're not wise enough to see what's clearly in front of you!" I do feel for the folks who need this meaning in their life, and hope they can find a healthy alternative with some good coping mechanisms. :)

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#1960 comp_atkins
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@nirgal said:

@joshrmeyer: is it a lie though?

Be honest and tell me that trump and Melania coins are not a very obvious scams?

Honestly I can't see how you anyone would not be able to see this.

Also about calling people stupid, which I am sure is the part you didn't like: Would a person of average and up intelligence not easily be able to understand this is a scam?

If they are unable to do that, is it fair to refer to them as people of normal intelligence?

the past 4 years already proved trump is protected from consequences. why not grift the rubes more?

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This is terrorism from the cartel. US millitary got to stop these ****ers

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Promises made Promises kept

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#1964 SargentD
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Please get rid of federal income tax 🙏

My god that would be amazing

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#1965 LJS9502_basic
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@sargentd said:

Please get rid of federal income tax 🙏

My god that would be amazing

You do know that would take more of your money from you?

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#1966 SargentD
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@sargentd said:

Please get rid of federal income tax 🙏

My god that would be amazing

You do know that would take more of your money from you?

No it wouldn't lol promise you

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#1967  Edited By LJS9502_basic
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@sargentd said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

You do know that would take more of your money from you?

No it wouldn't lol promise you

Yes, it would. That's a fact. It's also so bizarre watching magas cheer on policies that will harm them. Must be a party of masochists.

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#1968 SargentD
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@sargentd said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

You do know that would take more of your money from you?

No it wouldn't lol promise you

Yes, it would. That's a fact. It's also so bizarre watching magas cheer on policies that will harm them. Must be a party of masochists.

Nearly 30% of my pay is copped by federal income tax. I'd rather keep my money. I dont gaf if products cost more from tarrifs, I don't buy much anyway.

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#1969 LJS9502_basic
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@sargentd said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Yes, it would. That's a fact. It's also so bizarre watching magas cheer on policies that will harm them. Must be a party of masochists.

Nearly 30% of my pay is copped by federal income tax. I'd rather keep my money. I dont gaf if products cost more from tarrifs, I don't buy much anyway.

Wow the first person I've encountered that doesn't eat.

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#1970 SargentD
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So many changes in such a short amount of time.

Love it.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@sargentd said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Yes, it would. That's a fact. It's also so bizarre watching magas cheer on policies that will harm them. Must be a party of masochists.

Nearly 30% of my pay is copped by federal income tax. I'd rather keep my money. I dont gaf if products cost more from tarrifs, I don't buy much anyway.

Wow the first person I've encountered that doesn't eat.

30% of my annual income, even if food went up it won't matter if I have no federal income tax

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#1973 LJS9502_basic
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@sargentd said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@sargentd said:

Nearly 30% of my pay is copped by federal income tax. I'd rather keep my money. I dont gaf if products cost more from tarrifs, I don't buy much anyway.

Wow the first person I've encountered that doesn't eat.

30% of my annual income, even if food went up it won't matter if I have no federal income tax

You don't understand economics in the least.😂

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#1974  Edited By SargentD
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@sargentd said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@sargentd said:

Nearly 30% of my pay is copped by federal income tax. I'd rather keep my money. I dont gaf if products cost more from tarrifs, I don't buy much anyway.

Wow the first person I've encountered that doesn't eat.

30% of my annual income, even if food went up it won't matter if I have no federal income tax

You don't understand economics in the least.😂

What percentage of your income do you spend on food??? Lol

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#1975  Edited By LJS9502_basic
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@sargentd said:

What percentage of your income do you spend on food??? Lol

Taxes never go away. The same amount of money HAS to be brought in. His ideas benefit the wealthy at the expense of average Americans.

Like I said, you don't understand.

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#1976 SargentD
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@sargentd said:

What percentage of your income do you spend on food??? Lol

Taxes never go away. The same amount of money HAS to be brought in. His ideas benefit the wealthy at the expense of average Americans.

Like I said, you don't understand.

Money can be brought in from foreign goods profiting off selling in the US.

This is how it was done before Woodrow Wilson implemented the income tax

I understand it just fine, you are the one struggling.youve failed to present how me keeping 30% more of my income will hurt me... besides your dumb little comment about "first person ive met who doesnt eat" lol...*shrug*.

Lets say hypothetically there is a 10% increase on foreign goods, that increase in no way absorbs what i save with no federal income tax

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#1977 LJS9502_basic
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@sargentd said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Taxes never go away. The same amount of money HAS to be brought in. His ideas benefit the wealthy at the expense of average Americans.

Like I said, you don't understand.

Money can be brought in from foreign goods profiting off selling in the US.

This is how it was done before Woodrow Wilson implemented the income tax

I understand it just fine, you are the one struggling.youve failed to present how me keeping 30% more of my income will hurt me... besides your dumb little comment about "first person ive met who doesnt eat" lol...*shrug*.

Lets say hypothetically there is a 10% increase on foreign goods, that increase in no way absorbs what i save with no federal income tax

I understand it just fine.

https://www.piie.com/blogs/realtime-economics/2024/can-trump-replace-income-taxes-tariffs

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#1978 LJS9502_basic
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In other news, Trump had to backtrack already on his EO.

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@nod_eclipse_ said:

Trump's first few days in office have been absolutely nuts. Dude is straight-up brutalizing liberal ideology across the board.

This is what it looks like when a president does what he says he's going to do.

Its awesome.

Let Him Cook.

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@sargentd said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@sargentd said:

Please get rid of federal income tax 🙏

My god that would be amazing

You do know that would take more of your money from you?

No it wouldn't lol promise you

show your math please

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#1982 LJS9502_basic
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@Stevo_the_gamer: Hey Steve...

For You

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#1983 RedEyedMonster8
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@LJS9502_basic: Steve’s response: slow news day, more salt than the Dead Sea, execute order 66! The internet is serious business.

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#1984 LJS9502_basic
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@RedEyedMonster8 said:

@LJS9502_basic: Steve’s response: slow news day, more salt than the Dead Sea, execute order 66! The internet is serious business.

Yeah I know. But when I posted that this was a thing, he got on his high horse. So I found an official directive for him to read. I await his apology. Won't hold my breath though.

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#1985 RedEyedMonster8
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@LJS9502_basic: Oh I know what you’re referring to. I read his posts. My whole thing with Steve is that he thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room, but is constantly proven wrong by simple google searches. Living embodiment of what most people (incorrectly) believe is the dunning cruger effect.

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@LJS9502_basic said:

@Stevo_the_gamer: Hey Steve...

For You

How come you didn't link this story a few days ago when I asked you too? :( Out of curiosity, what was your original source?

Anyways, from your link: "The pause will not effect the federal holidays"

Your original comment: "Hey Maga, what's your excuse for Trump trying to remove MLK Jr Day, Juneteenth, and every other ethnic holiday? Still pretending he's not a bigot?"

So, which is it?

This memo (if accurate) would be related to activities/events. Do you think the government should be spending money on activities and events related to non-federal holidays? By extension, do you think the cancellation of activities (if any) surrounding celebrating these examples would be bigoted? And why? Ex: say they do not light the white house with rainbow colors and hold a pride event on the white house lawn, etc. What's your thoughts?

@RedEyedMonster8 said:

@LJS9502_basic: Oh I know what you’re referring to. I read his posts. My whole thing with Steve is that he thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room, but is constantly proven wrong by simple google searches. Living embodiment of what most people (incorrectly) believe is the dunning cruger effect.

Do you have an example? ... Since it's "constant." I'll wait patiently. :)

@LJS9502_basic said:
@RedEyedMonster8 said:

@LJS9502_basic: Steve’s response: slow news day, more salt than the Dead Sea, execute order 66! The internet is serious business.

Yeah I know. But when I posted that this was a thing, he got on his high horse. So I found an official directive for him to read. I await his apology. Won't hold my breath though.

Asking you if you got information from social media means I was on a high horse? How come you didn't just provide a source for it? Is that too challenging? lol

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Dems just got a Special Election win, in a part of Minnesota that voted Trump.

Hope for the world yet, I hope...

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#1988 LJS9502_basic
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@nintendoboy16: That's two. Democrat won in Iowa as well.

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#1989 nintendoboy16
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@LJS9502_basic said:

@nintendoboy16: That's two. Democrat won in Iowa as well.

Nice.

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#1990  Edited By RedEyedMonster8
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@Stevo_the_gamer: If you think I’m going to sort through the thread looking for examples you’ve got another thing coming. As for what LJS said, it has more to do with how you act. Like I said, you seem to have this misguided impression that you’re smarter than all of us.

To be honest, I know it seems like I have it out for you but I’m sure you’re a decent guy IRL. I honestly follow the greater internet fuckwad theory in these types of interactions. Due to anonymity and all, of course.

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So it was announced today we're getting our first concentration camp. This one at Guantanamo Bay.

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#1992 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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@RedEyedMonster8 said:

@Stevo_the_gamer: If you think I’m going to sort through the thread looking for examples you’ve got another thing coming. As for what LJS said, it has more to do with how you act. Like I said, you seem to have this misguided impression that you’re smarter than all of us.

To be honest, I know it seems like I have it out for you but I’m sure you’re a decent guy IRL. I honestly follow the greater internet fuckwad theory in these types of interactions. Due to anonymity and all, of course.

I figured it would be easy due to the frequency being high (constantly); after all, you can just quickly look at my post history. Let me know if any of those Google searches pan out for you. I'm quite patient. Plus I do love me a good GTS quip. :)

No misguided impressions here, after all, I'm used to seeing folks getting bent out of shape when their favorite inanimate object (gaming system) is criticized. Add a personal element to people's convictions of ideology, and it's a ripe recipe for sourness. This is especially true where users attack the who... Instead of the what. Again, I don't blame folks for it since it's the easy path to take.

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@nintendoboy16 said:

Dems just got a Special Election win, in a part of Minnesota that voted Trump.

Hope for the world yet, I hope...

Yeah I was reading about that.

I hope what we see is an inverse of what the right has been saying--"let the states decide"--all these years and the non-Trump folks manage to maintain some sort of power or leverage over the federal government by essentially taking over most states.

It's important to note, too, that states like California contribute to the federal government more than it takes, while red states tend to do the opposite. Let's remember that when we decide to cancel income tax and "let the states decide" what to do from here on out.

It's kind of amusing, in either case, to see the flip. I just hope the folks that voted for Trump have the integrity and strength to admit they made a mistake and do the right thing for their state and local elections.

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@Stevo_the_gamer: You’re right, it would be easy but I’m not going to. This request is not being made in good faith. Again, I’m sure you’re a decent guy and a good cop so I’m glad you understand that none of this is personal. “Constantly” was also an exaggeration I admit.

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@mattbbpl: The shit about Guantanamo is fucked. I don’t what to say other than that, these are dark days we’re living in.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@sargentd said:

Nearly 30% of my pay is copped by federal income tax. I'd rather keep my money. I dont gaf if products cost more from tarrifs, I don't buy much anyway.

Wow the first person I've encountered that doesn't eat.

Correct or incorrect, that made me chuckle.

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#1997 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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@RedEyedMonster8 said:

@Stevo_the_gamer: You’re right, it would be easy but I’m not going to. This request is not being made in good faith. Again, I’m sure you’re a decent guy and a good cop so I’m glad you understand that none of this is personal. “Constantly” was also an exaggeration I admit.

It's okay because I'm very patient, when you have a change of heart and wish to actually back up what you're claiming I'll be here waiting. Out of curiosity, what's your measurement of when something/anything is made in good faith? For example, say one makes an exaggerated claim that they know can't supported, or perhaps they refuse to back up, is that in good faith? :)

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#1998 RedEyedMonster8
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@Stevo_the_gamer: Okay fine, you were proven wrong about the J6 pardons. You implied that many were not in custody at the time of the pardons, they were. Another user posted a link proving such. You were also bested in regards to Trump’s tariffs just a couple pages ago. Not too mention by LJS just now. Happy now?

I’d rather talk about something more important, like migrants being sent to Guantanamo or the federal funding freeze.

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#1999 RZing
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Migrant concentration camps now. It's the nazi speed run.

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#2000  Edited By MirkoS77
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@sargentd said:
@rzing said:

@Maroxad: it is telling. Notice how our resident maga crew ignore posts showing the hurt these policies cause and the general human effects? It's always macro level discussions. They have little ability to show empathy or compassion for others, a significant character flaw but the bread and butter of the maga movement. If it doesn't hurt them personally then it only matters that it hurts those they do not like.

I see a bunch of leftys not saying shit as ICE rounds up rapists and gang members in sanctuary cities. Why does the left ignore it. Is it because they are the ones that allowed these people to stay in the first place, let these people be released back into the community after committing multiple crimes.

Sanctuary cities are bad policy, this has caused hurt in communities. You have no moral high ground. The anti maga crowd are the ones who need to do soul searching.

Please.

You're not only ok with, but you cheer on, the release back into our communities of convicted criminals, a large portion of them cop beaters. 1,500 of them.

It’s not the anti-MAGA crowd that needs to do some soul searching. You blatantly advocate for lawlessness and criminality, as long as it serves your political interests.