28 years in solitary confinement - an inmate tells his story.

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#1 XanderKage
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Kind of surprising I didn't find a thread about it on OT, since it's kinda old. Regardless,

A man named Thomas Silverstein was sentenced to "indefinite" solitary confinement for killing 2 inmates and a prison guard (in self defence, as he claims), while serving time for armed robbery. He since has spent 28 years in solitary, deprived of any human contact and virtually everything else. Now he's suing the federal prison system, and he wrote a "declaration", describing his life in 28 years of solitary confinement.

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His declaration. It's 64 ages long (pdf file).

Here's a part of the document:

The cell was so small that I could stand in one place and touch both walls simultaneously. The ceiling was so low that I could reach up and touch the hot light fixture.

My bed took up the length of the cell, and there was no other furniture at all…The walls were solid steel and painted all white.

I was permitted to wear underwear, but I was given no other clothing.

Shortly after I arrived, the prison staff began construction on the side pocket cell, adding more bars and other security measures to the cell while I was within it. In order not to be burned by sparks and embers while they welded more iron bars across the cell, I had to lie on my bed and cover myself with a sheet.

It is hard to describe the horror I experienced during this construction process. As they built new walls around me it felt like I was being buried alive. It was terrifying.

During my first year in the side pocket cell I was completely isolated from the outside world and had no way to occupy my time. I was not allowed to have any social visits, telephone privileges, or reading materials except a bible. I was not allowed to have a television, radio, or tape player. I could speak to no one and their was virtually nothing on which to focus my attention.

I was not only isolated, but also disoriented in the side pocket. This was exacerbated by the fact that I wasn't allowed to have a wristwatch or clock. In addition, the bright, artificial lights remained on in the cell constantly, increasing my disorientation and making it difficult to sleep. Not only were they constantly illuminated, but those lights buzzed incessantly. The buzzing noise was maddening, as there often were no other sounds at all. This may sound like a small thing, but it was my entire world.

Due to the unchanging bright artificial lights and not having a wristwatch or clock, I couldn't tell if it was day or night. Frequently, I would fall asleep and when I woke up I would not know if I had slept for five minutes or five hours, and would have no idea of what day or time of day it was.

I tried to measure the passing of days by counting food trays. Without being able to keep track of time, though, sometimes I thought the officers had left me and were never coming back. I thought they were gone for days, and I was going to starve. It's likely they were only gone for a few hours, but I had no way to know.

I was so disoriented in Atlanta that I felt like I was in an episode of the twilight zone. I now know that I was housed there for about four years, but I would have believed it was a decade if that is what I was told. It seemed eternal and endless and immeasurable…

There was no air conditioning orheating in the side pocket cells. During the summer, the heat was unbearable. I would pour water on the ground and lay naked on the floor in an attempt to cool myself…

The only time I was let out of my cell was for outdoor recreation. I was allowed one hour a week of outdoor recreation. I could not see any other inmates or any of the surrounding landscape during outdoor recreation. There was no exercise equipment and nothing to do…

My vision deteriorated in the side pocket, I think due to the constant bright lights, or possibly also because of other aspects of this harsh environment. Everything began to appear blurry and I became sensitive to light, which burned my eyes and gave me headaches.

Nearly all of the time, the officers refused to speak to me. Despite this, I heard people who I believed to be officers whispering into my vents, telling me they hated me and calling me names. To this day, I am not sure if the officers were doing this to me, or if I was starting to lose it and these were hallucinations.

In the side pocket cell, I lost some ability to distinguished what was real. I dreamt I was in prison. When I woke up, I was not sure which was reality and which was a dream.

So, any thoughts? I have read the document, and i have to say it rivals any prison story/movie out there. It's borderline unbelievable that a human being can be treated in such way.

On the other hand, obviously, he did kill 2 prisoners and a guard. And even though he expresses remorse for his deeds, he still needs to be punished. But 28 years with little to no human contact?

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#2 Oleg_Huzwog
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Sounds like Oscar material.

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#3 Buttons1990
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This is how all prisoners should be treated. To hell with their rights - What about the rights of their victims?

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#4 GabuEx
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This is how all prisoners should be treated. To hell with their rights - What about the rights of their victims?

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Sigh. I was going to post "In before 'prisoners should have no rights'", but I see I'm already too late.

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#5 Fundai
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I actually want to read the entire thing right now, but I don't have the time...

Wow, poor guy... Even if he deserved it.

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#6 cyborg9
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He killed a guard and a inmate, he got send away for 28 years and avoiding life in prison, he got the big end of the stick

*edit.. what about the guards family that was a son or dad or uncle or brother or the inmate possibly serving less than a year maybe who knows...

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#7 LoG-Sacrament
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hes still coherent enough to write it in one point of view?
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#8 67gt500
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Sounds like many aspects of this man's treatment could be considered cruel and unusual punishment to me...
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#9 XanderKage
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He killed a guard and a inmate, he got send away for 28 years and avoiding life in prison, he got the big end of the stick

*edit.. what about the guards family that was a son or dad or uncle or brother or the inmate possibly serving less than a year maybe who knows...

cyborg9

He's not out. He got life in prison, and he is still in solitary, albeit now he's allowed more contact with the outside, following the exposure of his story.

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#10 Kh1ndjal
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this is torture. it seems he was physically hurt
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Sounds like an interesting story...

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#12 martinX3X
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That's terrible. He should not have had to suffer like that. I would have killed myself if I was stuck in his situation.

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#13 cyborg9
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Sounds like an interesting story...

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I wanna be locked up like him.....and roll in my own water when its nice and hot

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hes still coherent enough to write it in one point of view?LoG-Sacrament
ikr? i'd go insane after just one day of going through that.
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#15 Saturos3091
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And this is infinitely more disgusting than any act he committed.

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#16 martinX3X
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This is so unfair. Search this guy on wikipedia. His childhood was terrible. He shouldn't have to suffer because of the way he was raised.

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#17 elblanquito_81
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Sounds like a crybaby to me.

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#18 67gt500
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Sounds like a crybaby to me.

elblanquito_81
lol -- that's definately it... tell you what -- just to be sure, spend the next 10 000 days of your 'life' languishing in the same conditions and let us know if your assessment is correct...
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#19 GabuEx
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Sounds like a crybaby to me.

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Spoken like someone who has never seen any reports about what solitary confinement does to a human. :P

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I have a question for all the people here complaining about how he was treated. Would you feel the same way had your family been among his victims?

I wager that the majority of you would be talking about how much he deserved it had you been affected by his transgressions. But you weren't, so you wont. What they need to do is follow up this article with ones exactly like it that are written by the family members of the people he killed. Watch the sympathy gauge drop to empty.

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#21 RubiksCubeReven
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tough thing is he couldn't suicide even if he wanted to sounds like forcing someone to endure punishment
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#22 JML897
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Jesus. That's my entire life plus seven years. I can't even imagine being in one small room that whole time by myself.
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#23 GabuEx
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I have a question for all the people here complaining about how he was treated. Would you feel the same way had your family been among his victims?

I wager that the majority of you would be talking about how much he deserved it had you been affected by his transgressions. But you weren't, so you wont. What they need to do is follow up this article with ones exactly like it that are written by the family members of the people he killed. Watch the sympathy gauge drop to empty.

Alter_Echo

If you could demonstrate that this punishment would give me my family back, then sure. Otherwise, no. It is a sick mind that considers a human being's suffering to be an acceptable substitute for the life of their loved ones.

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#24 inoperativeRS
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That is depressing as ****. Should just have given him a reliable way of committing suicide to go along if you're going to treat him like that.
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#25 elblanquito_81
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This is so unfair. Search this guy on wikipedia. His childhood was terrible. He shouldn't have to suffer because of the way he was raised.

martinX3X

Wow, I'm sure that the families of those men he killed are going to rush and beg that judge for mercy on his behalf because the poor guy was bullied as a kid. :roll: A bad childhood is no excuse for committing murder.

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#26 brandontwb
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This is so unfair. Search this guy on wikipedia. His childhood was terrible. He shouldn't have to suffer because of the way he was raised.

martinX3X
Why should anyone suffer? Our actions are simply the result of DNA and experience.
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#27 inoperativeRS
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[QUOTE="Alter_Echo"]

I have a question for all the people here complaining about how he was treated. Would you feel the same way had your family been among his victims?

I wager that the majority of you would be talking about how much he deserved it had you been affected by his transgressions. But you weren't, so you wont. What they need to do is follow up this article with ones exactly like it that are written by the family members of the people he killed. Watch the sympathy gauge drop to empty.

GabuEx

If you could demonstrate that this punishment would give me my family back, then sure. Otherwise, no. It is a sick mind that considers a human being's suffering to be an acceptable substitute for the life of their loved ones.

Agreed.
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#28 elblanquito_81
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[QUOTE="elblanquito_81"]

Sounds like a crybaby to me.

GabuEx

Spoken like someone who has never seen any reports about what solitary confinement does to a human. :P

There was a time a number of summers ago were I didn't step outside my home, much less my room, for 2 months. Does that count??

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[QUOTE="Alter_Echo"]

I have a question for all the people here complaining about how he was treated. Would you feel the same way had your family been among his victims?

I wager that the majority of you would be talking about how much he deserved it had you been affected by his transgressions. But you weren't, so you wont. What they need to do is follow up this article with ones exactly like it that are written by the family members of the people he killed. Watch the sympathy gauge drop to empty.

I would be mortified and outraged if I learned that this was happening -- even to someone who committed a crime against me or someone I knew / loved... 10000 days in isolation is too much, even for the worst criminals among us. No civilised person could ever agree that such treatment is justifiable... prison should be a place where people pay their debt to society -- not a laboratory where twisted vengeance takes precedence over justice...
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#30 elblanquito_81
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[QUOTE="elblanquito_81"]

Sounds like a crybaby to me.

67gt500

lol -- that's definately it... tell you what -- just to be sure, spend the next 10 000 days of your 'life' languishing in the same conditions and let us know if your assessment is correct...

Well, c'mon, it's not all bad. At least they fed the guy, right?

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#31 GabuEx
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There was a time a number of summers ago were I didn't step outside my home, much less my room, for 2 months. Does that count??

elblanquito_81

No, I don't think it does. :P

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#32 67gt500
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[QUOTE="elblanquito_81"]

[QUOTE="67gt500"][QUOTE="elblanquito_81"]

Sounds like a crybaby to me.

lol -- that's definately it... tell you what -- just to be sure, spend the next 10 000 days of your 'life' languishing in the same conditions and let us know if your assessment is correct...

Well, c'mon, it's not all bad. At least they fed the guy, right?

Yeah, that's true -- a guy should be ok with any manner of abuse as long as he's being fed... he's clearly just over-reacting to the whole thing...
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[QUOTE="67gt500"][QUOTE="elblanquito_81"]

Sounds like a crybaby to me.

elblanquito_81

lol -- that's definately it... tell you what -- just to be sure, spend the next 10 000 days of your 'life' languishing in the same conditions and let us know if your assessment is correct...

Well, c'mon, it's not all bad. At least they fed the guy, right?

I'd rather not get fed if I was in his position.

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A little clarification about his murders (all taken from his declaration):

The first murder, he claims to be innosent of. He says he never even knew the guy murdered and had no reason to kill him.

The second murder was an inmate who was a friend of the first guy, and a DC gang leader. He made repeated threats against Silverstein, as well as 2 unsuccessful attempts on his life. Yet the prison management never made any attempt to keep him away from Silverstein, even after the attempts. Silverstein killed him in self defence.

Third one was the prison guard. He never goes into detail on that one, only saying that following attempts on his life, and being stressed from constantly having to live in one of the most dangerous prisons of the time, he was in an extreme mental condition and that caused him to kill the guard. This is the only murder that he expresses remorse for, saying that he wished he'd acted differently. He says he apologised to the guard's family, yet he's not expecting forgiveness, because he knows what he did is unforgivable. He goes on about thta for a while, and if you ask me, it sounds like he means it.

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Dang, I don't think I could last a few days there.

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That's absolutely inhuman.
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A little clarification about his murders (all taken from his declaration):

The first murder, he claims to be innosent of. He says he never even knew the guy murdered and had no reason to kill him.

The second murder was an inmate who was a friend of the first guy, and a DC gang leader. He made repeated threats against Silverstein, as well as 2 unsuccessful attempts on his life. Yet the prison management never made any attempt to keep him away from Silverstein, even after the attempts. Silverstein killed him in self defence.

Third one was the prison guard. He never goes into detail on that one, only saying that following attempts on his life, and being stressed from constantly having to live in one of the most dangerous prisons of the time, he was in an extreme mental condition and that caused him to kill the guard. This is the only murder that he expresses remorse for, saying that he wished he'd acted differently. He says he apologised to the guard's family, yet he's not expecting forgiveness, because he knows what he did is unforgivable. He goes on about thta for a while, and if you ask me, it sounds like he means it.

XanderKage
ya i agree it sounds like the murders were generally in self defense as that jail seemed extremely brutal and very much survival of the fittest and he even mentions inmates have access to weapons all the time. i really cant blame the guy for committing murder in that environment.
That is depressing as ****. Should just have given him a reliable way of committing suicide to go along if you're going to treat him like that.inoperativeRS
somewhere this is his fault. if you read the whole thing you see he was free for 7 days during a riot. honestly if i was him i could stabbed myself in the heart during that time. ok well i read the whole thing it was disturbing honestly. i have a feeling since the way he words it the primary reason for this treatment is the death of an officer which again goes to show you cops get special treatment. given the fact the only mentions sorrow over the death of that officer im thinking thats what did which royally pisses me off. also its a load of BS what kind of sentence is this? just kill the guy. seriously WTH is this. 28 years of solitary? i mean maybe if it was hitler but killing a cop? seriously? i dont see why he cant be allowed back into normal prison after this long never mind the likely abuse some cops have done to him over the years(some of his claims may be true but some are probably true) the read was insightful thats for sure. and honestly im appalled this was allowed to happen.
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#38 stanleycup98
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IMO, solitary confinement for a long period of time falls under cruel and unusual punishment.
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#39 bobaban
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Could have at least turned off the light at night. That would be maddening.
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I would have snapped my own neck.
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#41 Victorious_Fize
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I have a question for all the people here complaining about how he was treated. Would you feel the same way had your family been among his victims?

Alter_Echo

Yes, I firmly believe I will feel the same way, because I have no one in my family that wants their killer to have such fate. If someone killed me, I'd forgive him in the hope of him becoming the best man he can be.

Solitary confinement is something that I have not researched nor studied, but I can safely say it is something no human ever deserves.

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#42 GabuEx
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IMO, solitary confinement for a long period of time falls under cruel and unusual punishment.stanleycup98

It's cruel, but, sadly, it's not as unusual as it used to be.

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#43 uberspotter
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In my country, we do not feed criminal with food buyed from citizen money...
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#44 ValHazzard
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If the guy killed a loved one of mine I would hope for even worse stuff than that to happen to him...

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#45 Fundai
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In my country, we do not feed criminal with food buyed from citizen money...uberspotter

Which country would this be?

I think we should feed them, but Make sure they work for it, not just have them languishing In prison cells.

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#46 topsemag55
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I don't agree with 28 years, but in a lot of other countries, he would have been beaten several times a day for killing a guard, or worse.

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#47 Theokhoth
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I don't agree with 28 years, but in a lot of other countries, he would have been beaten several times a day for killing a guard, or worse.

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So? Since when do we justify horrific treatment with "Well it would have been worse in other countries"?
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#48 Harisemo
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this is worse than death

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#49 BuryMe
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This is how all prisoners should be treated. To hell with their rights - What about the rights of their victims?

Buttons1990

Both people's rights can be respected.

Some of this is just complaining. It is prison, after all.

but the stuff about his cell being under construction is inappropriate.

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#50 topsemag55
Member since 2007 • 19063 Posts

[QUOTE="topsemag55"]

I don't agree with 28 years, but in a lot of other countries, he would have been beaten several times a day for killing a guard, or worse.

Theokhoth

So? Since when do we justify horrific treatment with "Well it would have been worse in other countries"?

Combative much?:P