3 Things you should know about Islam

I found this excellent and enlightening videoon youtube. Let's politely discuss some of these facts, shall we?

Seems like a very resonable and correct video to me.

Very interesting. I'm at 5:59 so far and I intend to watch all of it.

This is getting ridiculous, can we stop talking about Islam please? I'm a Muslim and I'm getting bored. Beside that its getting really obvious. GazaAli

It's ironic that this guy is talking about propaganda.

He says for people to research for themselves, but let's be honest: how many of you actually did that after you watched the video?

This is getting ridiculous, can we stop talking about Islam please? I'm a Muslim and I'm getting bored. Beside that its getting really obvious. GazaAli

Was that video a total lie in your opinion?

That really struck me. Thanx for this.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]This is getting ridiculous, can we stop talking about Islam please? I'm a Muslim and I'm getting bored. Beside that its getting really obvious. herpderp9000

Beside that its getting really obvious. GazaAli

Any video on Youtube... no matter what evidence used to back it up should always be taken with a grain of salt.

*yawn* same old lol worthy lies about islam. haters gonna hate

Any video on Youtube... no matter what evidence used to back it up should always be taken with a grain of salt.

foxhound_fox

This.

Organized religion will always be co-opted to one's own world view. This applies to the TC as well. Boring propaganda. These aren't the droids we're looking for; move along.

alright it looks inevitable to watch the video.GazaAli

Tell us if it's right or not.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]alright it looks inevitable to watch the video.cheesyjon

Tell us if it's right or not.

Indeed. And give reason as to WHY it's wrong, if it is.

Any video on Youtube... no matter what evidence used to back it up should always be taken with a grain of salt.

foxhound_fox

*yawn* same old lol worthy lies about islam. haters gonna hate

sikanderahmed

i watched the whole thing. i dont know what to think. anyways im gonna go back and read the bible :)

This is getting ridiculous. :roll:Maniacc1

This is getting ridiculous, can we stop talking about Islam please? I'm a Muslim and I'm getting bored. Beside that its getting really obvious. GazaAli

*sigh* Your religion is yours and mine is mine. Who gives a crap?

[QUOTE="Maniacc1"]This is getting ridiculous. :roll:herpderp9000

*sigh* Your religion is yours and mine is mine. Who gives a crap?

Virtual_Price

[QUOTE="herpderp9000"][QUOTE="Maniacc1"]This is getting ridiculous. :roll:Virtual_Price

hes watching him

I don't feel like watching the whole thing, but I will say one thing: The author of that video has no proof that the "earlier, peaceful" verses in the Qur'an have been abrogated by "later, violent" verses. Also, the text gave me a headache.

I watched the whole thing and i don't know what to think. It comes from a user who is obviously anti-muslim, so I am inclined to not trust it.

[QUOTE="Virtual_Price"][QUOTE="herpderp9000"] Maybe you should watch the video before posting.T_REX305

hes watching him

I am :twisted:

Not only is the video made/hosted by a clearly biased individual, but it's produced in the exact same manner as several propaganda videos I've seen in the past.

Thanks, but I think I'll pass on this. If I want to learn about Islam I'll talk to someone I know is knowledgeable about it, and/or I'll read the Qu'ran.

I don't feel like watching the whole thing, but I will say one thing: The author of that video has no proof that the "earlier, peaceful" verses in the Qur'an have been abrogated by "later, violent" verses. Also, the text gave me a headache.

ghoklebutter

very interesting...

and very tiring, it literally disarms all moderate and liberal Muslims whilst at the same time argues Islam to be considered a political ideology rather then a religion.

There was a time when Jewish state of Israel, and Christian kingdoms ruled by whatever they could glean from their sacred texts. The same could be said for places like Tibet prior to China's invasion.

and like Christianity, Islam is a religion that prostylitzing and thus will attempt to spread via conversions. just like Christianity and other faiths.

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Also this law of abgoration is BS.. and i disagree with it. it's been argued amongst the clerics in Saudi (despite the purponents for it winning more of then not).in Pakistan and in many

It was created by men as a theory in order to have a sense of how to rule a country. Nothing more, and i have never read anything in the Quran that states for anything like the law of abrogation.

As evidence to what i can provide here

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Muslims are only allowed to lie under 3 circumstances (if not under these circumstances it is a sin).

In the midst of battle

two bring about reconciliation between persons

for a husband to lie to his wife AND VICE VERSA ONLY in order to fix a bigger family problem. (you know in those movies where the wife is worried for her husband, and he lies to her to keep her safe from whatever truth - be it for something noble however.)

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all in all thanks for sharing it, because these are real issues with other Muslims, and they must be dealt with (Sharia law and this 'law' of abrogation).

but i still find it frankly insulting for the literally hundreds of other Muslims i know, and how they act in their faith.

I have dealt with my fair share of fundamentalism Islam (i come from the most conservative one out there), but that doesn't give me an excuse to drop the faith, rather it emboldens me. stand not just for your own, but for all.

Not only is the video made/hosted by a clearly biased individual, but it's produced in the exact same manner as several propaganda videos I've seen in the past.

Thanks, but I think I'll pass on this. If I want to learn about Islam I'll talk to someone I know is knowledgeable about it, and/or I'll read the Qu'ran.

I watched the whole thing and i don't know what to think. It comes from a user who is obviously anti-muslim, so I am inclined to not trust it.

Tokugawa77

Interesting, I already knew a few of the points raised... but I won't take that video as gospel, as I don't know who made it.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

I don't feel like watching the whole thing, but I will say one thing: The author of that video has no proof that the "earlier, peaceful" verses in the Qur'an have been abrogated by "later, violent" verses. Also, the text gave me a headache.

herpderp9000

quran doesnt contradict especially when it comes to verses related to violence. non-muslims often take verses out of context to prove their points

[QUOTE="Nagru"]

Not only is the video made/hosted by a clearly biased individual, but it's produced in the exact same manner as several propaganda videos I've seen in the past.

Thanks, but I think I'll pass on this. If I want to learn about Islam I'll talk to someone I know is knowledgeable about it, and/or I'll read the Qu'ran.

herpderp9000

ive read the quran. that video is a joke. now you go read it as well :)

Alright watched the video, and regardless of what you think, this is total load of crap. Now, you can say "sure you are a Muslim, you are supposed to say so" but most of you who are used to see me posting here know how frank and plain truthful I am. The video is just wrong, I can't give reasons because it is just wrong. You give reasons when you "debate", but the video is obviously not about debate. One thing to notice is that, the narrator is full of himself and with such an attitude it should be clear that its not to be taken seriously. Also, I'm a 22 years old Muslim and a native Arabic speaker and I swear I don't know what is that "TAQIYA" he is talking about. But from my understanding he is claiming that we openly deceive people and the Islamic faith encourages such an act. I know where he is coming from, but he literally took it out of its context. In the Islamic faith its prohibited to lie, unless in 3 situations: 1-to tell your wife she is the most beautfiul woman on earth. 2- to make two people make up and 3 in times of war which is natural and all the nations and countries I have ever heard of did/are doing the same thing, its called intelligence. I don't know, the video is full of **** and you can believe in whatever you want for all I care. GazaAli

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]Alright watched the video, and regardless of what you think, this is total load of crap. Now, you can say "sure you are a Muslim, you are supposed to say so" but most of you who are used to see me posting here know how frank and plain truthful I am. The video is just wrong, I can't give reasons because it is just wrong. You give reasons when you "debate", but the video is obviously not about debate. One thing to notice is that, the narrator is full of himself and with such an attitude it should be clear that its not to be taken seriously. Also, I'm a 22 years old Muslim and a native Arabic speaker and I swear I don't know what is that "TAQIYA" he is talking about. But from my understanding he is claiming that we openly deceive people and the Islamic faith encourages such an act. I know where he is coming from, but he literally took it out of its context. In the Islamic faith its prohibited to lie, unless in 3 situations: 1-to tell your wife she is the most beautfiul woman on earth. 2- to make two people make up and 3 in times of war which is natural and all the nations and countries I have ever heard of did/are doing the same thing, its called intelligence. I don't know, the video is full of **** and you can believe in whatever you want for all I care. herpderp9000

why dont you just read the Quran?

[QUOTE="herpderp9000"][QUOTE="Nagru"]

Not only is the video made/hosted by a clearly biased individual, but it's produced in the exact same manner as several propaganda videos I've seen in the past.

Thanks, but I think I'll pass on this. If I want to learn about Islam I'll talk to someone I know is knowledgeable about it, and/or I'll read the Qu'ran.

ive read the quran. that video is a joke. now you go read it as well :)

[QUOTE="herpderp9000"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]Alright watched the video, and regardless of what you think, this is total load of crap. Now, you can say "sure you are a Muslim, you are supposed to say so" but most of you who are used to see me posting here know how frank and plain truthful I am. The video is just wrong, I can't give reasons because it is just wrong. You give reasons when you "debate", but the video is obviously not about debate. One thing to notice is that, the narrator is full of himself and with such an attitude it should be clear that its not to be taken seriously. Also, I'm a 22 years old Muslim and a native Arabic speaker and I swear I don't know what is that "TAQIYA" he is talking about. But from my understanding he is claiming that we openly deceive people and the Islamic faith encourages such an act. I know where he is coming from, but he literally took it out of its context. In the Islamic faith its prohibited to lie, unless in 3 situations: 1-to tell your wife she is the most beautfiul woman on earth. 2- to make two people make up and 3 in times of war which is natural and all the nations and countries I have ever heard of did/are doing the same thing, its called intelligence. I don't know, the video is full of **** and you can believe in whatever you want for all I care. sikanderahmed

why dont you just read the Quran?

[QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

[QUOTE="herpderp9000"] Thats what the video tells you to do, read the Qu'ran if you don't believe it.herpderp9000

ive read the quran. that video is a joke. now you go read it as well :)

BS. you wanna debate with me then?

[QUOTE="herpderp9000"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]Alright watched the video, and regardless of what you think, this is total load of crap. Now, you can say "sure you are a Muslim, you are supposed to say so" but most of you who are used to see me posting here know how frank and plain truthful I am. The video is just wrong, I can't give reasons because it is just wrong. You give reasons when you "debate", but the video is obviously not about debate. One thing to notice is that, the narrator is full of himself and with such an attitude it should be clear that its not to be taken seriously. Also, I'm a 22 years old Muslim and a native Arabic speaker and I swear I don't know what is that "TAQIYA" he is talking about. But from my understanding he is claiming that we openly deceive people and the Islamic faith encourages such an act. I know where he is coming from, but he literally took it out of its context. In the Islamic faith its prohibited to lie, unless in 3 situations: 1-to tell your wife she is the most beautfiul woman on earth. 2- to make two people make up and 3 in times of war which is natural and all the nations and countries I have ever heard of did/are doing the same thing, its called intelligence. I don't know, the video is full of **** and you can believe in whatever you want for all I care. sikanderahmed

why dont you just read the Quran?