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@thegerg: it seems I am mistaken, in states that have allowed conceal carry of guns the crime/murder rate has dropped considerably. Which I guess makes sense.

EDIT: but there was more suicides.

Only a moron uses the word pwn. Considering you haven't even responded to a point I've made, I'm not surprised.

He'd probably accidentally kill himself and become a martyr to his cause. We wouldn't want that.

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Why you no read?

Actually...no. No one (including me) had a gun in any of the circumstances thankfully. In all instances, it was someone harassing me while I was minding my own business, or they had an aggressive dog they couldn't control. Only two have gotten violent so to speak, one in which was another stupid dog owner, and the other was a guy who in a big crowded event downtown in a city, threw a couple of punches at me because he thought I was the one who groping his girlfriend. In the latter case I saw what happened, so I did not respond with violence because even his girlfriend was trying to convince him it wasn't me.

I don't know how it is where you are from, but in America, women walking by themselves in uncrowded environments (or hell even places full of people) are routinely harassed. And by harassed, I don't just mean someone hitting on them in a somewhat civilized manner. My wife (before she became my wife) was harassed so badly one day at the park by some dirtbag that I understood why so many women want to concealed carry. No one should be subjected to that kind of unwanted harassment. Unfortunately in most cases the only real defense women have is becoming taekwondo master or carrying a gun (sorry if that comes off as sexist...).

For the record I do not carry a gun. I bought myself a big walking stick and that is my protection in most circumstances. Ever since I have not had one incident of being hassled while I was carrying it, so maybe I did something right. At night, I carry a big 4d maglite. You can call me paranoid - it really doesn't bother me. Based off my own life experiences, I know how easily it is to be victimized.

And so thus do you believe a gun would have deescalated all those situations successfully?

As I already stated, no it wouldn't of. I don't carry one, but I understand the argument for it, especially to the most vulnerable. I do believe that in most people's hands, it is not a good idea (especially those who don't go through stressful training environments like hypothetically, military and police members do). I'm more an advocate of non-lethal objects, like tasers or something instead. But let's be honest - a gun is more effective than any alternative, so its understandable why people would want it instead of other means.

@thegerg: "The great majority of lawful concealed weapon permittees are like me."

I know, haven't you seen my later post?

@thegerg: It addresses this point very well, I thought it would lead to more murders and shootings, but it actually doesn't. You love disagreeing with me that much you even do it when I'm agreeing with you.

@thegerg: "@thegerg: "I just think that if you carry a gun your more likely to get involved or involve yourself in a situation that could result in the death of yourself or another person/s."

"A person may feel brave because he has a gun in his back pocket, and may even start some shit with someone just because he knows he can just pull out his gun, especially if he has had a few drinks to many."

That's what I said, "more likely to involve yourself in a situation that could result in the death of yourself or another person/s."

I.e more murders more shootings

So my other post addresses the fact that this is not the case, the fact that you only choose to remember half my post is not my fault.

I was going to express my opinion in this being a bad idea in the sense there would have to be some much tighter regulations on buying and carrying guns if gun training and education were more mandated but this thread is already gerged up so there isn't any point.

@thegerg: so what do you think I meant by

"Situations that could result in the death of yourself and or another person/s"

@thegerg: As you find it so difficult to understand I've broken it down for you, I used the word "more" which implies that I am saying there will be an increased "rate" of situations(shootings) that could result in the death(murder) of ones self or others. Now that was the first part of the post I don't know why you won't aknowlegde that.

lol at "gerged up".

@thegerg: again the first part of my post is suggesting the possibility of if more people carry guns it could increase the number of shootings that could result in more deaths/murders. The second part of my post talked about the influence it may have on a person.

@thegerg: no that is the part of my post you're fixated on. I basically rebutted my argument against conceal carry, you ignored that rebuttal for the sake of carrying on the argument.

@thegerg: if I rebutt my argument by saying"I was wrong, conceal carry actually reduced shootings murders and crime", I'm obviously also saying that my whole statement about how carrying a gun around could lead to more deaths, and carrying a gun can have a bad influence on a person is also rebutted, It's not rocket science, I'm not going to rebutt half my argument and carry on the other half of my argument when both parts of the argument was against conceal carry.

@thegerg: I'm only human I'm aloud to be wrong, at least I can admit when I'm wrong.

@thegerg: "You're coming to conclusions by assuming a relationship exists between two things"

It does exist just not on the large scale I thought it would, you said yourself;

"I do believe they can be a threat if they are apt to reach for their gun at the smallest provocation."

"I believe that too. I feel that the number of people that would do that, though, is so small that it doesn't do us much good to talk about them. Someone that would do such a thing needs to see a doctor".

Your words.

"If you're able to decide that carrying a gun influences people to hurt others based on nothing, then quickly disregard that decision "

I didn't quickly disregard anything, my argument against conceal carry was yesterday, my rebuttal was a whole bunch of hours later.

Also people are aloud to have opinions without basing them on facts they are just opinions, when I am voicing my opinions I always use words like " maybe, might, could, possibly, which implies I maybe wrong in my opinion.

@ariabed: Let it go, my man. You know you're not going to win with gerg. :D

Yes you are allowed to have opinions, and then we are allowed to tell you that your opinions are stupid, especially those that aren't based on facts or evidence

@airshocker: Your argument is fallacious. There's no need to address your retort because it's logically unsound by design. So I win again by TKO

C'mon man, you should know better than to argue with airshocker. Besides LJS he's the most stubborn user on here when it comes to debates and will never admit to being wrong on anything.

@Aljosa23: OT is as dry as a bone, which is why I'm bantering with air in this tired thread. But that's still no excuse; I should know better.

Considering you can't even mention the basis of my argument says you have no actual response to it. Instead, you pretend to be intelligent and use that as some kind of smokescreen so as not to respond. Again that's typical fare from you so I'm not surprised. You are a coward without any capability of standing up for what you believe in because it's indefensible. Poor kid.

Ah, here comes aljosa with no idea what he's even talking about.

Yeah I have no idea what you two were discussing I just wanted to say that

At least you're honest about it. That's why I <3 you.

@airshocker: I did give a response. My response is that your retort is fallacious. A fallacious argument is not a sound argument, so no further consideration necessary.

And you have yet to explain why that is so. Just because you say something doesn't make it truth, or correct. You have to prove your assertions. Just like I've proven you're nothing but hot air. A coward hiding behind his so-called intelligence.

@airshocker: You should apply this standard to yourself first since it was you who first asserted the fallacy.

Nothing I asserted was a fallacy until you prove otherwise.

If I truly did assert one it should be fairly simple for you to point it out, shouldn't it?

@airshocker: If I were to patronize you, maybe. Otherwise, if you're unable or unwilling to recognize when you've created a straw man argument, then that's you're problem. Though, I believe you know when you've made a straw man; you sorta have a reputation for routinely posing these types of arguments.

@lostrib:

@lostrib: opinion

əˈpɪnjən/

noun

1.

a view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

"that, in my opinion, is right"

synonyms: belief, judgement, thought(s), school of thought, thinking, way of thinking, mind, point of view, view, viewpoint, outlook, angle, slant, side, attitude, stance, perspective, position, standpoint;

It's not stupid to have the opinion that more guns in society could lead to more shootings, that is a reasonable assumption. At least thegerg has substance to his arguments unlike you, you just try to be like him but your intelligence level is to low, I base this "opinion" on the "fact" you made this stupid comment,

"Considering you're black, you probably shouldn't go around calling people "boy"

Now I have never seen thegerg resort to bringing someone's race into an argument.

do u see how angry you kids get on the road? uh yeah no thanks.

@thegerg: @jasean79: i did win if you read back, after my post about me rebutting both parts of my argument and not just half of it, he changed the point of his argument from "You wasn't addressing the second part of your argument in your rebuttal" to his classic old argument "you cant have an opinion without basing it on fact" and "you can't have an opinion one minute and change your mind the next", thegerg likes his opinions based on fact when the very definition of opinions states otherwise, anyway I won the first argument so he branched another argument off that one. He will prob say I didn't win but it's obvious to see I won if you read back. It's not about winning or loosing it's taking part that counts lol

@thegerg:"You're coming to conclusions by assuming a relationship exists between two things without having any knowledge that any type of relationship exists".

surely you was talking about the relationship between a man and his gun, considering you have been fixated on the fact that I said a gun can be a bad influence on a man.

"What you've quoted has nothing to do with the relationship I'm talking about. Try to pay attention"

So in the statement I quoted your not talking about a man and his gun?

Wow glad to see you're creeping my post history. And that statement actually makes sense

I don't really know what is your issue. I said you can have those opinions, but that doesn't mean others can't judge you for your opinions. Especially if your opinions aren't based on fact or the the facts are counter to your opinion. Once again, if you don't want others to comment on your opinions/statements/posts, then don't post on a public forum