A Petition to get rid of "Offensive Posting" moderation

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#51 Gallion-Beast
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It shouldn't be removed, but mods can be a little over strict at times.
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#52 Razor-Lazor
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I haven't gotten a moderation in months, I post here every day. It's very simple not to post anything offensive, just don't.
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#53 LJS9502_basic
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I've wondered if the mods religious beliefs or lack of would affect moderation (or non modertation) in religious topics.

FamiBox

It's all in how you word things...and no their beliefs don't seem to be a determining cause.

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#54 DrSponge
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The ToU is a legal document from CBS. I doubt your little petition will do anything...
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#55 Funky_Llama
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[QUOTE="FamiBox"]

I've wondered if the mods religious beliefs or lack of would affect moderation (or non modertation) in religious topics.

LJS9502_basic

It's all in how you word things...and no their beliefs don't seem to be a determining cause.

I think they may sometimes be given that what you find offensive is influenced by your personal beliefs.
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#56 foxhound_fox
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Nah, the only thing that needs to happen is the ToU needs an overhaul in which none of the rules are left open to moderator discretion... because what is "offensive" to one person won't be offensive to another. So its like convicting criminals based on a judges personal morals instead of the state's law. Its really stupid and only getting worse.

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#57 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="FamiBox"]

I've wondered if the mods religious beliefs or lack of would affect moderation (or non modertation) in religious topics.

Funky_Llama

It's all in how you word things...and no their beliefs don't seem to be a determining cause.

I think they may sometimes be given that what you find offensive is influenced by your personal beliefs.

Well it's more in reference to modding merely because they believe differently than the one they mod. I don't believe that is true. You know how many religious debates I've been in? My estimate of the moderation crew would be that more are nonreligious than religious. Not one of my opinions has been modded. Not one.

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#58 LeGoofyGoober
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i get modded for almost everything. total BS. i should be like level 12 by now

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#59 Funky_Llama
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]It's all in how you word things...and no their beliefs don't seem to be a determining cause.

LJS9502_basic

I think they may sometimes be given that what you find offensive is influenced by your personal beliefs.

Well it's more in reference to modding merely because they believe differently than the one they mod. I don't believe that is true. You know how many religious debates I've been in? My estimate of the moderation crew would be that more are nonreligious than religious. Not one of my opinions has been modded. Not one.

Well, you've been here a long while and don't have a reputation among the mods as a user who abides by the ToU, and also your opinions aren't aggressive enough to get you modded... I'm guessing if you happened to be a white supremacist or something you'd be more likely to get modded.
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#60 deactivated-57e5de5e137a4
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I haven't gotten more than 1 or 2 moderations in the past year. It's not hard to do. Just don't insult people directly, don't use the moderatable curse words, and contribute something to the topic you post in. If you can't handle it, I suggest staying out of system wars.
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#61 LJS9502_basic
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Well, you've been here a long while and don't have a reputation among the mods as a user who abides by the ToU, and also your opinions aren't aggressive enough to get you modded... I'm guessing if you happened to be a white supremacist or something you'd be more likely to get modded.Funky_Llama
^^^Er...what?

Anyway, it's having control of yourself when posting. If you let emotions get the best of you then you will post inappropriately to the ToU. But then I'm an emotionless bot.:P

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#62 WolfGrey
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Oddly enough i almost never get modded.And i can be downright insulting to people.Then again i insult the people who are rude to others and make them look like they have the intelligence of a animal cracker but that besides the point.My posts at those times are very offensive and i dont ever get modded.It seems if your point is justified or you take care of a rude or offensive person yourself they wont mod you at all.

As for the religion topics i dont get modded there either.

You all are right though and since so many people are mentioning sticky threads with the TOU and some light moderation of it, it should be done.I kinda figured they would get the point by now.

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#63 LJS9502_basic
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Oddly enough i almost never get modded.And i can be downright insulting to people.Then again i insult the people who are rude to others and make them look like they have the intelligence of a animal cracker but that besides the point.My posts at those times are very offensive and i dont ever get modded.It seems if your point is justified or you take care of a rude or offensive person yourself they wont mod you at all.

As for the religion topics i dont get modded there either.

You all are right though and since so many people are mentioning sticky threads with the TOU and some light moderation of it, it should be done.I kinda figured they would get the point by now.

WolfGrey

No that means no one reported you. You can get modded if you are insulting to someone that was previously insulted.

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#64 WolfGrey
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[QUOTE="WolfGrey"]

Oddly enough i almost never get modded.And i can be downright insulting to people.Then again i insult the people who are rude to others and make them look like they have the intelligence of a animal cracker but that besides the point.My posts at those times are very offensive and i dont ever get modded.It seems if your point is justified or you take care of a rude or offensive person yourself they wont mod you at all.

As for the religion topics i dont get modded there either.

You all are right though and since so many people are mentioning sticky threads with the TOU and some light moderation of it, it should be done.I kinda figured they would get the point by now.

LJS9502_basic

No that means no one reported you. You can get modded if you are insulting to someone that was previously insulted.

How bout being insulting to someone who insulted someone else?

And since no one reports me for it, then i guess i shut them up pretty good.Otherise i would of been reported alot of times by now.

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#65 Setsa
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="WolfGrey"]

Oddly enough i almost never get modded.And i can be downright insulting to people.Then again i insult the people who are rude to others and make them look like they have the intelligence of a animal cracker but that besides the point.My posts at those times are very offensive and i dont ever get modded.It seems if your point is justified or you take care of a rude or offensive person yourself they wont mod you at all.

As for the religion topics i dont get modded there either.

You all are right though and since so many people are mentioning sticky threads with the TOU and some light moderation of it, it should be done.I kinda figured they would get the point by now.

WolfGrey

No that means no one reported you. You can get modded if you are insulting to someone that was previously insulted.

How bout being insulting to someone who insulted someone else?

And since no one reports me for it, then i guess i shut them up pretty good.Otherise i would of been reported alot of times by now.

Well, you know some people take those "no snitching" rules pretty serious *insert gang sign hither* Seriously though, some people just don't get offended all that easily, or they would rather try to argue back rather than report. Tbh, moderations depend more so on the context and personality of the user rather than what is actually said.
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#66 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="WolfGrey"]

Oddly enough i almost never get modded.And i can be downright insulting to people.Then again i insult the people who are rude to others and make them look like they have the intelligence of a animal cracker but that besides the point.My posts at those times are very offensive and i dont ever get modded.It seems if your point is justified or you take care of a rude or offensive person yourself they wont mod you at all.

As for the religion topics i dont get modded there either.

You all are right though and since so many people are mentioning sticky threads with the TOU and some light moderation of it, it should be done.I kinda figured they would get the point by now.

WolfGrey

No that means no one reported you. You can get modded if you are insulting to someone that was previously insulted.

How bout being insulting to someone who insulted someone else?

And since no one reports me for it, then i guess i shut them up pretty good.Otherise i would of been reported alot of times by now.

You get modded for anything that breaks the ToU regardless of what another user did.

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#67 WolfGrey
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[QUOTE="WolfGrey"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No that means no one reported you. You can get modded if you are insulting to someone that was previously insulted.

Setsa

How bout being insulting to someone who insulted someone else?

And since no one reports me for it, then i guess i shut them up pretty good.Otherise i would of been reported alot of times by now.

Well, you know some people take those "no snitching" rules pretty serious *insert gang sign hither* Seriously though, some people just don't get offended all that easily, or they would rather try to argue back rather than report. Tbh, moderations depend more so on the context and personality of the user rather than what is actually said.

Very true, which can be a problem sometimes.

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#68 Funky_Llama
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Well, you've been here a long while and don't have a reputation among the mods as a user who abides by the ToU, and also your opinions aren't aggressive enough to get you modded... I'm guessing if you happened to be a white supremacist or something you'd be more likely to get modded.LJS9502_basic

^^^Er...what?

Anyway, it's having control of yourself when posting. If you let emotions get the best of you then you will post inappropriately to the ToU. But then I'm an emotionless bot.:P

Eh, crap. I meant to say that you don't have a reputation among the mods as a user who doesn't abide the ToU, then I decided to simplify it to 'you have a reputation among the mods as a user who abides the ToU', and evidently I didn't finish the job. :P

Anyway, most of the modded posts haven't been due to me getting pissed off; they're due to me simply not thinking that the post would be in danger of getting modded. After all, I have no way of anticipating whether the mod who sees it will have a gut feeling that I'm trolling.

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#69 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Well, you've been here a long while and don't have a reputation among the mods as a user who abides by the ToU, and also your opinions aren't aggressive enough to get you modded... I'm guessing if you happened to be a white supremacist or something you'd be more likely to get modded.Funky_Llama

^^^Er...what?

Anyway, it's having control of yourself when posting. If you let emotions get the best of you then you will post inappropriately to the ToU. But then I'm an emotionless bot.:P

Eh, crap. I meant to say that you don't have a reputation among the mods as a user who doesn't abide the ToU, then I decided to simplify it to 'you have a reputation among the mods as a user who abides the ToU', and evidently I didn't finish the job. :P

I'll say. I was confused. I wanted to know my reputation for my resume if needed.:cry:

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#70 AlphaRail
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You'll understand why you got it a few weeks for now I am sure. Now that I read over my past 3 moderations minus the one I got from gfaqs..it is ridiculous over there(I was posting on a game spec board I believe and they mesh with gamespot). There is only one ridiculous mod I got but nothing happened, just was a warning. One of them made me smirk at least :P as some kid was trolling and I told him to leave gamespot and I got off with nothing :D
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#71 JosamaBinEating
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I've been moderated once. It was for a post in a thread entitled: The Price of all 3 consoles and 1 PC. And the winner is??!! It was the standard fare, people going on about those nasty huge old PC prices. I posted an 'Obvious Troll is obvious' image, and my post said: "The only other explanation for this thread, other than being a troll, is severe ignorance." I then listed some pre built PCs with prices and pics. Some people are a bit more easily offended, but hey, these are private forums, so we have to live with the rules. EDIT - Here is the thread: The Price of all 3 consoles and 1 PC. And the winner is??!! Here is the Thread Starters post: [quote="jasonheyman"]New Xbox 360 Pro 299.99 New Sony PS3 40GB HD 349.99 Nintendo's Wii 249.99 TOTAL OF ALL THREE SYSTEMS= 899.97 Now lets look at setting up a PC rig! Alienware Area 51 X58 3,129.00 without moniotor I may add. with a monitor it was 4,028.00. The monitor I chose was a 27" 2709WFP 1920x1200. This was under "gaming rigs"! Under "standard" rigs the price "starts" at 1,649.00 Under "High-Performance Gaming" the price starts at 5,229.00 So in the end even if you get the cheapest rig there is, PC gaming is more expensive! Standard and High-Performance rig I did not include monitors. This was all done from Gamestop.com All purchased new and from the same place PC is WAY more expensive!

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#72 deactivated-5b31d3729c1fa
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[QUOTE="enygma500"]some tool reported me for nothing again.Bioshockraptor
That's the problem.

i hate it:evil:

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#73 theone86
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[QUOTE="WolfGrey"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No that means no one reported you. You can get modded if you are insulting to someone that was previously insulted.

Setsa

How bout being insulting to someone who insulted someone else?

And since no one reports me for it, then i guess i shut them up pretty good.Otherise i would of been reported alot of times by now.

Well, you know some people take those "no snitching" rules pretty serious *insert gang sign hither* Seriously though, some people just don't get offended all that easily, or they would rather try to argue back rather than report. Tbh, moderations depend more so on the context and personality of the user rather than what is actually said.

Yeah, and it's the people who don't report who get modded, and then when they go to ask the mods to get an explanation as to why they get modded for responding to someone who insulted them that they get scolded fornot reporting. I don't abide by any, "no snitching," rule, I just think that if it is possible to respond intelligently then that should be preferable to reporting, that and I have a pretty thick skin so unless they're making some kind of slur I just brush it off and keep going with the discussion. But apparantly that's a less acceptable practice than posting flamebait and then reporting someone when they respond.

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#74 Solid_Tango
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i sign the petition!
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#75 Gog
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

No that means no one reported you. You can get modded if you are insulting to someone that was previously insulted.

WolfGrey

How bout being insulting to someone who insulted someone else?

And since no one reports me for it, then i guess i shut them up pretty good.Otherise i would of been reported alot of times by now.

That doesn't mean it's OK. Should I keep an eye on you from now on? ;)

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#76 Dark_Knight6
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A petition won't change anything. The way things are run here are and will continue to be flawed, at best.

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#77 lilasianwonder
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I don't see a reason to get rid of it. Just follow the rules.

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#78 Norg
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yea i just got banned for "overly graphic" which i thought was funny

and now i see a thread about a guy customizes himself with nail clippers if the mods wanna be fair everyone in that thread should be banned only to be fair across the board :I

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#79 Dark_Knight6
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yea i just got banned for "overly graphic" which i thought was funny

and now i see a thread about a guy customizes himself with nail clippers if the mods wanna be fair everyone in that thread should be banned only to be fair across the board :I

Norg

Banned or suspened? You don't want to get the two mixed up. The mods act first and ask questions later, so you could be permanently banned for saying you have been banned in the past.

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#80 Norg
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[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

[QUOTE="Norg"]

yea i just got banned for "overly graphic" which i thought was funny

and now i see a thread about a guy customizes himself with nail clippers if the mods wanna be fair everyone in that thread should be banned only to be fair across the board :I

Banned or suspened? You don't want to get the two mixed up. The mods act first and ask questions later, so you could be permanently banned for saying you have been banned in the past.

i have been banned in the past for 2 years straight ... :P
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#81 deactivated-60678a6f9e4d4
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The mods are stupidly harsh - they'd just put your post down under some other offence anyway.

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#82 Dark_Knight6
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Norg

I seriously suggest you delete your post. Nothing good will come from it.

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#83 pvtdonut54
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If they got rid of it, then I we would see "yo mama" jokes evrywhere.

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#84 69ANT69
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Haha, this petition is doomed to fail ... I got tons of pointless moderations and warnings, I just took a little break for a week or two and now I'm fairly clean, watch what I say a lot more now.
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#85 the_foreign_guy
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Disruptive posting is the one that gets me in trouble. We should get rid of that.
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Well, you've been here a long while and don't have a reputation among the mods as a user who abides by the ToU, and also your opinions aren't aggressive enough to get you modded... I'm guessing if you happened to be a white supremacist or something you'd be more likely to get modded.Funky_Llama
I think the mods openly say they don't want those kind of opinions here...
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#87 thequietguy
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No thanks. What we need to get rid of is that stupid thing on the Games forums where you're not allowed to ask anybody what games are good to buy, or which game is better, because you have to go on the stupid Official Games Recommendation Thread, where everybody is asking questions about games, and nobody is answering.
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#88 super_mario_128
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I've never had problem with 'offensive posting' moderations. If I'm modded for those reasons, then I know I've been reckless. I don't think it's possible to be modded for stating an opinion. It'd be especially pathetic if that was ever the case. :?
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#89 Will82
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A long time ago I was modded for something that I said that could of offended someone. Well, in that same topic I told the moderator that what he also said in his post could of possibly offended me. Well, he just re-worded what he said and that was it. We dont get that pleasure, we just get straight up modded or suspended. I think they use their personal opinions too much on what should and shouldn't be modded. They all need to be on the same page. Another subject, was my previous sig which I had for a long time was a gif. jessica alba was removed by one mod who apparently though it was too sexually explicit. So now I have a pic of ben stiller. Figure if its a guy in my sig no one will think its too sexual, even though he is lookin pretty sexy as zoolander.

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#90 Funky_Llama
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Well, you've been here a long while and don't have a reputation among the mods as a user who abides by the ToU, and also your opinions aren't aggressive enough to get you modded... I'm guessing if you happened to be a white supremacist or something you'd be more likely to get modded.horgen123
I think the mods openly say they don't want those kind of opinions here...

Exactly, they find it offensive.
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#91 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="horgen123"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Well, you've been here a long while and don't have a reputation among the mods as a user who abides by the ToU, and also your opinions aren't aggressive enough to get you modded... I'm guessing if you happened to be a white supremacist or something you'd be more likely to get modded.Funky_Llama
I think the mods openly say they don't want those kind of opinions here...

Exactly, they find it offensive.

Er I think it has to do with hate speech...

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#92 Funky_Llama
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="horgen123"] I think the mods openly say they don't want those kind of opinions here... LJS9502_basic

Exactly, they find it offensive.

Er I think it has to do with hate speech...

How do you define hate speech?
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#93 feryl06
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I think it would be good if you can at least cut and paste and show us where we have crossed the line when we get moderated. [QUOTE="SkylinePigeon"]Actually... none of your moderations recently have fallen under the "offensive" subject line, more trolling and disruptive posting. The TOU (which you agreed to when you joined this site) define those things pretty clearly. And no, we read every report that comes through the queue. Every single one.

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#94 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Exactly, they find it offensive.Funky_Llama

Er I think it has to do with hate speech...

How do you define hate speech?

Hating on a group of course. I don't think anyone believe white supermicists don't have issues with groups of people now do they?

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#95 Generic_Dude
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We can petition all we like, it won't change anything.

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QFT... if you don't like the way the Gamespot forums are moderated, you've just got to respect the house rules. I don't like the way they're moderated, which is why I, personally, have been spending less time here than I used to.

That being said, I just wish they'd hand out less "Trolling" mods. If you post anything in the Wii Forums apart from "NINTENDO IS TEH GENIOUS!!1!" then you're going to get moderated for "Trolling" regardless of whether or not you own a Wii and several games, as I do.

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#96 Funky_Llama
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Er I think it has to do with hate speech...

LJS9502_basic

How do you define hate speech?

Hating on a group of course. I don't think anyone believe white supermicists don't have issues with groups of people now do they?

I don't like to defend white supremacists, but all the same, I don't think it necessarily implies hating non-whites. Also I hate plenty of people - murderers, racists, paedophiles, etc. - but I'm not going to get modded for saying this.
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#97 ChiliDragon
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Er I think it has to do with hate speech...

LJS9502_basic

How do you define hate speech?

Hating on a group of course. I don't think anyone believe white supermicists don't have issues with groups of people now do they?

More likely it has to do with openly racist statements, which I think most of us will agree that white supremacist statements will be. And those are clearly against the TOU:
Refrain from using inappropriate language, including language that may look, sound like, stand for, hint at, abbreviate, or insinuate profanity, hate speech (including but not limited to racial, ethnic, or religious slurs), illegal drugs/controlled substances or illegal activities. Gamespot TOU
So basically, if you're a racist/white supremacist you are not allowed to state your opinions on race openly on Gamespot. It's been in the TOU for a very long time now, and when we signed up, we all agreed to follow that TOU. Anyone who doesn't like it, is free to go to another gaming site. And I of course apologize if that offends anyone. :P
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#98 GabuEx
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Out of curiosity, does anyone who's saying "it should be re-written so it's not up to moderator discretion one bit" have a version of the ToU they would like to propose that would accomplish that but which would still account for all of the things that the bigwigs at CBS would like to keep off of their forums?

American laws don't leave anything up to interpretation - and that's why bills are thousands upon thousands of pages long and are not read by anyone, ever. If we were to define "trolling" such that there was nothing left up to interpretation, then the Terms of Use would basically be like your standard end-user license agreement (more pages than people who've actually read it), and rather than claiming "moderator discretion" as the reason why they felt their moderation was invalid, they'd instead invoke the defense that the Terms of Use is so long that nobody can realistically be expected to read it.

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#99 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]How do you define hate speech?ChiliDragon

Hating on a group of course. I don't think anyone believe white supermicists don't have issues with groups of people now do they?

More likely it has to do with openly racist statements, which I think most of us will agree that white supremacist statements will be. And those are clearly against the TOU:
Refrain from using inappropriate language, including language that may look, sound like, stand for, hint at, abbreviate, or insinuate profanity, hate speech (including but not limited to racial, ethnic, or religious slurs), illegal drugs/controlled substances or illegal activities. Gamespot TOU
So basically, if you're a racist/white supremacist you are not allowed to state your opinions on race openly on Gamespot. It's been in the TOU for a very long time now, and when we signed up, we all agreed to follow that TOU. Anyone who doesn't like it, is free to go to another gaming site. And I of course apologize if that offends anyone. :P

That's what I meant by hate speech.

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#100 JustPlainLucas
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Offensive Posting needs to stay there, because there are cases like, "I HATE YOU BLACK PEOPLE!" or pornography or something, and people need to put in offensive posting when reporting it. The problem lies in the interpretation being too open when it comes time to taking action on reported posts. Oh, and your moderation history will take you to whatever post you got modded for, but sometimes, it can take a while for it to update.