How? How could you think this all happened by accident? The more I learn about science the more I believe there is a God behind it. Some stuff just can't happen coincedintally. I believe there is a purpose behind everything. The way our DNA forms and the way our bodies work are just crazy. How can you believe there isn't some higher power behind this?
Explain to me how this "loving Father" allowed this planet to get screwed up the way it is. Some athiests don't believe in God, because God just doesn't make sense.
No one has ever claimed it happened "by accident". The claim is that it happened methodologically and predicatably according to the natural laws that govern the universe. There is no need to inject God into the equation when you have things like the four fundamental forces of nature.
How? How could you think this all happened by accident? The more I learn about science the more I believe there is a God behind it. Some stuff just can't happen coincedintally. I believe there is a purpose behind everything. The way our DNA forms and the way our bodies work are just crazy. How can you believe there isn't some higher power behind this?Hungry_Jello
So how did God get there? Coincidentally? Aahhh.... now you have to start all over again.
I is atheist, I belive the universe to be great enough to produce funny things like life every now and then. To be honest, I don't really care if there is a god or not behind it.
[QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"]How? How could you think this all happened by accident? The more I learn about science the more I believe there is a God behind it. Some stuff just can't happen coincedintally. I believe there is a purpose behind everything. The way our DNA forms and the way our bodies work are just crazy. How can you believe there isn't some higher power behind this?The_Versatile
So how did God get there? Coincidentally? Aahhh.... now you have to start all over again.
God was always here silly. He just got bored and decided to make humanity.
[QUOTE="The_Versatile"][QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"]How? How could you think this all happened by accident? The more I learn about science the more I believe there is a God behind it. Some stuff just can't happen coincedintally. I believe there is a purpose behind everything. The way our DNA forms and the way our bodies work are just crazy. How can you believe there isn't some higher power behind this?Hungry_Jello
So how did God get there? Coincidentally? Aahhh.... now you have to start all over again.
God was always here silly. He just got bored and decided to make humanity.
Maybe the universe was always here and always as complex as it is. If the complexity of God could have always been there, why not the complexity of the universe? Silly. :)
so basically what you're saying is that the more you learn of how creatures adapt, how chemicals bond with other chemicals, how our bodies are made out of and use the same ingredients that the Earth, Water and Plants are made out of you come to the conclusion that a great power is behind all of it? Ok,,,,
[QUOTE="The_Versatile"][QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"]How? How could you think this all happened by accident? The more I learn about science the more I believe there is a God behind it. Some stuff just can't happen coincedintally. I believe there is a purpose behind everything. The way our DNA forms and the way our bodies work are just crazy. How can you believe there isn't some higher power behind this?Hungry_Jello
So how did God get there? Coincidentally? Aahhh.... now you have to start all over again.
God was always here silly. He just got bored and decided to make humanity.
This actually makes a lot of sense when you think about it. I mean, what's more entertaining than watching a bunch of idiots ruin the planet?
so basically what you're saying is that the more you learn of how creatures adapt, how chemicals bond with other chemicals, how our bodies are made out of and use the same ingredients that the Earth, Water and Plants are made out of you come to the conclusion that a great power is behind all of it? Ok,,,,BumFluff122
so basically what you're saying is that the more you learn of how creatures adapt, how chemicals bond with other chemicals, how our bodies are made out of and use the same ingredients that the Earth, Water and Plants are made out of you come to the conclusion that a great power is behind all of it? Ok,,,,BumFluff122
That's not such a terrible conclusion actually. A higher power, simply that, and only that, is highly likely. I just don't agree with the religious connotation he brought into the thread with his most recent post.
So these magical forces of nature created everything? Who's the fairy tale believer now?ATT-Fighter
You can assert that God created the fundamental forces of nature, but then the question can be asked of "Who created God?", and if the answer is "God has no creator", then why can we not cut out the middle man and assert that the fundamental forces of nature had no creator?
so basically what you're saying is that the more you learn of how creatures adapt, how chemicals bond with other chemicals, how our bodies are made out of and use the same ingredients that the Earth, Water and Plants are made out of you come to the conclusion that a great power is behind all of it? Ok,,,,BumFluff122
I don't agree with what he's saying, but even I can understand what he's getting at. He's saying that the mechanics behind life are too complex to just occur randomly. You can take all the parts of an engine and throw them all around in a box for a millenium and you'll never get an engine. Someone needs to put it together.
[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]so basically what you're saying is that the more you learn of how creatures adapt, how chemicals bond with other chemicals, how our bodies are made out of and use the same ingredients that the Earth, Water and Plants are made out of you come to the conclusion that a great power is behind all of it? Ok,,,,sAndroid17
makes sense:|to you maybe. For the majority of people the more they learn about the human body, the planet and how it geologically changes and how species adapt to their environment the begin to look more towards the inner workings of science and less toward religion for explanations.
[QUOTE="ATT-Fighter"]So these magical forces of nature created everything? Who's the fairy tale believer now?GabuEx
You can assert that God created the fundamental forces of nature, but then the question can be asked of "Who created God?", and if the answer is "God has no creator", then why can we not cut out the middle man and assert that the fundamental forces of nature had no creator?
The whole "it happened by accident" craze is religious propaganda to keep people uninformed. No credible scientist has ever claimed that life happened by accident or that the universe simply popped into existence. Sure, there is the element of luck but not accident.
[QUOTE="sAndroid17"][QUOTE="BumFluff122"]so basically what you're saying is that the more you learn of how creatures adapt, how chemicals bond with other chemicals, how our bodies are made out of and use the same ingredients that the Earth, Water and Plants are made out of you come to the conclusion that a great power is behind all of it? Ok,,,,BumFluff122
makes sense:|to you maybe. For the majority of people the more they learn about the human body, the planet and how it geologically changes and how species adapt to their environment the begin to look more towards the inner workings of science and less toward religion for explanations.cant tell sarcasm?
I dont think it was by accident. The more i learn about science, the less i believe in a God. I dont believe there is a purpose behind everything. Yes, the way our DNA forms and the way our bodies work is amazing. I just dont believe.
I don't agree with what he's saying, but even I can understand what he's getting at. He's saying that the mechanics behind life are too complex to just occur randomly. You can take all the parts of an engine and throw them all around in a box for a millenium and you'll never get an engine. Someone needs to put it together. JustPlainLucas
The problem with that argument, though, is that it assumes that the universe was designed for us in the same way that an engine was designed for us. To me, that's kind of like seeing water in a glass and coming to the conclusion that the glass was shaped to accomodate the water, rather than concluding that the water changed shape to fit the glass. Similarly, the universe was not designed for us; we came to being to fit the way the universe already was.
[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]I don't agree with what he's saying, but even I can understand what he's getting at. He's saying that the mechanics behind life are too complex to just occur randomly. You can take all the parts of an engine and throw them all around in a box for a millenium and you'll never get an engine. Someone needs to put it together. GabuEx
THe problem with that argument, though, is that it assumes that the universe has been designed for us in the same way that an engine was designed for us. To me, that's kind of like seeing water in a glass and coming to the conclusion that the glass was shaped to accomodate the water, rather than concluding that the water changed shape to fit the glass. Similarly, the universe was not designed for us; we came to being to fit the way the universe already was.
Yes, and there is adequate evidence to support the fact that human beings have the ability to adapt to change.
I is atheist, I belive the universe to be great enough to produce funny things like life every now and then. To be honest, I don't really care if there is a god or not behind it.Erasorn
The more you learn about science the more you believe in a god? It seems to me you don't really have an understanding at all. If you did you would understand the complexity of the universe has scientific explanations and there is no need to insert a god.
to you maybe. For the majority of people the more they learn about the human body, the planet and how it geologically changes and how species adapt to their environment the begin to look more towards the inner workings of science and less toward religion for explanations.cant tell sarcasm?I knew you were joking. I just felt it needed to be said.
okay look im a christian but you honestly arent going to change anybodys mind here
there are kinda starting to bug me. the forums are not a place to minister
people can make their own choises and if people choose not to believe in Christianity we cant really stop them
montieman
I know I probably won't change any minds here but maybe...just maybe some atheist might see what I'm saying and change his point of view. Where there's a will there's a way/
I know I probably won't change any minds here but maybe...just maybe some atheist might see what I'm saying and change his point of view. Where there's a will there's a way/Hungry_Jello
You could always consider arguments to the contrary too, while you're at it. :P
[QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"]I know I probably won't change any minds here but maybe...just maybe some atheist might see what I'm saying and change his point of view. Where there's a will there's a way/GabuEx
You could always consider arguments to the contrary too, while you're at it. :P
That's too much to ask of someone who's trying to enlighten the denizens of the intertron.
See, this is confirmation bias, your preset conclusion that God created the world skews your interpretation of the facts to support it, when in fact there is no support for either side of the argument.
i have to say i agree with the tc though. honelsty when you get into studying like small bacterian and stuff that have like 20 parts all working simultaneously together that would completely fail if even one of the parts wasnt there or functioning properly, it makes it kind of hard to believe that it "evolved" into that. if evolution really took as long as people say it did, all 20 of those parts wouldnt all just get created simultaneously, and if only a few existed and the organsim died, then how could natural selection take place?
i have to say i agree with the tc though. honelsty when you get into studying like small bacterian and stuff that have like 20 parts all working simultaneously together that would completely fail if even one of the parts wasnt there or functioning properly, it makes it kind of hard to believe that it "evolved" into that. if evolution really took as long as people say it did, all 20 of those parts wouldnt all just get created simultaneously, and if only a few existed and the organsim died, then how could natural selection take place?
montieman
So, where did God come from? He's even more complex than the bacteria.
i have to say i agree with the tc though. honelsty when you get into studying like small bacterian and stuff that have like 20 parts all working simultaneously together that would completely fail if even one of the parts wasnt there or functioning properly, it makes it kind of hard to believe that it "evolved" into that. if evolution really took as long as people say it did, all 20 of those parts wouldnt all just get created simultaneously, and if only a few existed and the organsim died, then how could natural selection take place?
See, this is confirmation bias, your preset conclusion that God created the world skews your interpretation of the facts to support it, when in fact there is no support for either side of the argument.
metroidfood
This statement is very true except for the fact that both sides are pretty sure they have proof to support their arguments. That includes me.
okay look im a christian but you honestly arent going to change anybodys mind here
there are kinda starting to bug me. the forums are not a place to minister
people can make their own choises and if people choose not to believe in Christianity we cant really stop them
Hungry_Jello
I know I probably won't change any minds here but maybe...just maybe some atheist might see what I'm saying and change his point of view. Where there's a will there's a way/
If any atheist takes this as proof of a God, then he's probably wasn't much of an atheist in the first place.
[QUOTE="Epak_"]Do animals have a soul? Euroshinobi
Better Question: Do human clones have souls ?
Very interesting indeed. Can people live without a soul? I believe we're just a series of bodily functions and electrical signals controller by our brain.
i have to say i agree with the tc though. honelsty when you get into studying like small bacterian and stuff that have like 20 parts all working simultaneously together that would completely fail if even one of the parts wasnt there or functioning properly, it makes it kind of hard to believe that it "evolved" into that. if evolution really took as long as people say it did, all 20 of those parts wouldnt all just get created simultaneously, and if only a few existed and the organsim died, then how could natural selection take place?
montieman
There's strong reason to believe that this didn't happen all at once, mitochondria being an excellent example.
i have to say i agree with the tc though. honelsty when you get into studying like small bacterian and stuff that have like 20 parts all working simultaneously together that would completely fail if even one of the parts wasnt there or functioning properly, it makes it kind of hard to believe that it "evolved" into that. if evolution really took as long as people say it did, all 20 of those parts wouldnt all just get created simultaneously, and if only a few existed and the organsim died, then how could natural selection take place?
montieman
There are theories with regards to how life came about and eventually evolved; this explains one of them. The fact that we do not yet have all the answers in this area of study does not mean that God did it until we finally do.
Very interesting indeed. Can people live without a soul? I believe we're just a series of bodily functions and electrical signals controller by our brain.
You realize you pretty much called all of the human race robots? There's more to humans than meets the eyes. This can't be what we are here for. We just can't be here to live,produce,and die. We must have a greater purpose than that. That's why I'm a Christian.
See, this is confirmation bias, your preset conclusion that God created the world skews your interpretation of the facts to support it, when in fact there is no support for either side of the argument.
Hungry_Jello
This statement is very true except for the fact that both sides are pretty sure they have proof to support their arguments. That includes me.
Their is no proof for or against God though. When you look directly at the facts, all they show is that there is complex life, not that it arose with or without supernatural forces.
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