A question to atheists.....

What's so bad about religion? Early universities were founded by the catholic church. The pursuit of knowledge combined with belief in God isn't such a bad thing. Religious people have done bad things, yes. But so have atheists. Stalin killed 30 million people, many of them scholars and clergy. Evil people are the cause of such things, not religion.

People need to stop being so militant on the subject. Why argue to begin with? It only seems to rile people up. When my church prays rosaries in front of abortion clinics, we get yelled at, we receive obscene gestures, and people have even attempted to run us over. All we do is pray quietly. We don't yell, we don't throw things, we don't even approach the clinic. Its all peaceful protest. People just need to calm down when they voice there opinions. For the sake of peace, just relax. Atheists and religious folks alike. Just calm down.

thesmiter

It just happened. I have a question for you, there's famine, diseaese, children dying of cancer and on the same earth a 16 year old girl can think it's the end of the world when she get's the wrong coloured ferrari for her birthday. Are you prepared to tell that God loves us?clembo1990

He does all this to test our belief and it sounds like you might not pass the test. :(

[QUOTE="clembo1990"]It just happened. I have a question for you, there's famine, diseaese, children dying of cancer and on the same earth a 16 year old girl can think it's the end of the world when she get's the wrong coloured ferrari for her birthday. Are you prepared to tell that God loves us?Hungry_Jello

He does all this to test our belief and it sounds like you might not pass the test. :(

I just don't. Where you see a great likelyhood that a higher power created everything, given the complexities you're seeing in science, I see just the opposite. I see this deep, intricate world and come to understand there is a natural reason for everything. At least, that is what study has showwn us thus far, and while we've yet to discover the reason for just why everything does occur; I'm certain we will eventually come to find the answers behind all of lifes little mysteries.

It's just a matter of perspective, where you see one thing, my mind sees something else entirely. Neither of us are technically correct in our thinking, our brains just think differently.

How? How could you think this all happened by accident? The more I learn about science the more I believe there is a God behind it. Some stuff just can't happen coincedintally. I believe there is a purpose behind everything. The way our DNA forms and the way our bodies work are just crazy. How can you believe there isn't some higher power behind this?Hungry_Jello

(sigh) im athiest for one reason...many different religions claim that their god or gods created the earth. how can you be so sure that your god is the real one?

and tbh i cant stand religion, it bugs my happynes. i think its just a power thing...to have control over people. well thats the way i see it =/

How? How could you think this all happened by accident? The more I learn about science the more I believe there is a God behind it. Some stuff just can't happen coincedintally. I believe there is a purpose behind everything. The way our DNA forms and the way our bodies work are just crazy. How can you believe there isn't some higher power behind this?Hungry_Jello

[QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"]How? How could you think this all happened by accident? The more I learn about science the more I believe there is a God behind it. Some stuff just can't happen coincedintally. I believe there is a purpose behind everything. The way our DNA forms and the way our bodies work are just crazy. How can you believe there isn't some higher power behind this?AudioPrison

(sigh) im athiest for one reason...many different religions claim that their god or gods created the earth. how can you be so sure that your god is the real one?

and tbh i cant stand religion, it bugs my happynes. i think its just a power thing...to have control over people. well thats the way i see it =/

I could say the same thing for you. Many different atheists claim that a god or gods didn't create the earth. How can you be sure that your athiesm is the true way?

Better question:

Why should anyone give a crap?

[QUOTE="AudioPrison"]

[QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"]How? How could you think this all happened by accident? The more I learn about science the more I believe there is a God behind it. Some stuff just can't happen coincedintally. I believe there is a purpose behind everything. The way our DNA forms and the way our bodies work are just crazy. How can you believe there isn't some higher power behind this?Hungry_Jello

(sigh) im athiest for one reason...many different religions claim that their god or gods created the earth. how can you be so sure that your god is the real one?

and tbh i cant stand religion, it bugs my happynes. i think its just a power thing...to have control over people. well thats the way i see it =/

I could say the same thing for you. Many different atheists claim that a god or gods didn't create the earth. How can you be sure that your athiesm is the true way?

How? How could you think this all happened by accident? The more I learn about science the more I believe there is a God behind it. Some stuff just can't happen coincedintally. I believe there is a purpose behind everything. The way our DNA forms and the way our bodies work are just crazy. How can you believe there isn't some higher power behind this?Hungry_Jello

[QUOTE="AudioPrison"]

[QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"]How? How could you think this all happened by accident? The more I learn about science the more I believe there is a God behind it. Some stuff just can't happen coincedintally. I believe there is a purpose behind everything. The way our DNA forms and the way our bodies work are just crazy. How can you believe there isn't some higher power behind this?Hungry_Jello

(sigh) im athiest for one reason...many different religions claim that their god or gods created the earth. how can you be so sure that your god is the real one?

and tbh i cant stand religion, it bugs my happynes. i think its just a power thing...to have control over people. well thats the way i see it =/

I could say the same thing for you. Many different atheists claim that a god or gods didn't create the earth. How can you be sure that your athiesm is the true way?

[QUOTE="AudioPrison"]

[QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"]How? How could you think this all happened by accident? The more I learn about science the more I believe there is a God behind it. Some stuff just can't happen coincedintally. I believe there is a purpose behind everything. The way our DNA forms and the way our bodies work are just crazy. How can you believe there isn't some higher power behind this?Hungry_Jello

(sigh) im athiest for one reason...many different religions claim that their god or gods created the earth. how can you be so sure that your god is the real one?

and tbh i cant stand religion, it bugs my happynes. i think its just a power thing...to have control over people. well thats the way i see it =/

I could say the same thing for you. Many different atheists claim that a god or gods didn't create the earth. How can you be sure that your athiesm is the true way?

wat! no, you really cant. i never even said how i thought the earth or universe was created so how can you ask if the "athiest" way is the true way. im not a follower of the athiest way, i just class myself as one because the definition of athiest is someone who denies the existanst of a god or gods which i do

and have you ever heard of infinate regresion by any chance???

[QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"][QUOTE="AudioPrison"]

(sigh) im athiest for one reason...many different religions claim that their god or gods created the earth. how can you be so sure that your god is the real one?

and tbh i cant stand religion, it bugs my happynes. i think its just a power thing...to have control over people. well thats the way i see it =/

Teenaged

I could say the same thing for you. Many different atheists claim that a god or gods didn't create the earth. How can you be sure that your athiesm is the true way?

thanks, thats wat i was trying to say lol and btw im a girl not a guy :L

[QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"]

[QUOTE="clembo1990"]It just happened. I have a question for you, there's famine, diseaese, children dying of cancer and on the same earth a 16 year old girl can think it's the end of the world when she get's the wrong coloured ferrari for her birthday. Are you prepared to tell that God loves us?clembo1990

He does all this to test our belief and it sounds like you might not pass the test. :(

That was a little outta line. You don't have to believe but can you at least respect my religion because I respect yours. :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5hOza8GTqk

thanks, thats wat i was trying to say lol and btw im a girl not a guy :L

AudioPrison

[QUOTE="thesmiter"]Praying outside an abortion clinic is cruel and downright demeaning. You sincerely believe people are nonchalant and carefree having to make that immensely difficult decision? I know numerous women that have had abortions and it is a mentally traumatic event that they remember for the rest of their lives. Having the audacity to make a public scene furthering the suffering these individuals are already going through shows a very significant lack of understanding and compassion. Not to mention propagating your personal beliefs upon others when it comes to extremely private matters is beyond insulting. warbmxjohn

[QUOTE="thesmiter"]

What's so bad about religion? Early universities were founded by the catholic church. The pursuit of knowledge combined with belief in God isn't such a bad thing. Religious people have done bad things, yes. But so have atheists. Stalin killed 30 million people, many of them scholars and clergy. Evil people are the cause of such things, not religion.

People need to stop being so militant on the subject. Why argue to begin with? It only seems to rile people up. When my church prays rosaries in front of abortion clinics, we get yelled at, we receive obscene gestures, and people have even attempted to run us over. All we do is pray quietly. We don't yell, we don't throw things, we don't even approach the clinic. Its all peaceful protest. People just need to calm down when they voice there opinions. For the sake of peace, just relax. Atheists and religious folks alike. Just calm down.

warbmxjohn

[QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"][QUOTE="AudioPrison"]

(sigh) im athiest for one reason...many different religions claim that their god or gods created the earth. how can you be so sure that your god is the real one?

and tbh i cant stand religion, it bugs my happynes. i think its just a power thing...to have control over people. well thats the way i see it =/

Teenaged

I could say the same thing for you. Many different atheists claim that a god or gods didn't create the earth. How can you be sure that your athiesm is the true way?

It's called faith and I have lots of it. Faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we cannot see.

It's called faith and I have lots of it. Faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we cannot see.

Hungry_Jello

Faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we cannot see.Hungry_Jello

By that definition, faith is simply wishful thinking - I would at least hope it's a bit deeper and more meaningful than that.

[QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"]Faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we cannot see.GabuEx

By that definition, faith is simply wishful thinking - I would at least hope it's a bit deeper and more meaningful than that.

"certain of what we cannot see"

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"]Faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we cannot see.Teenaged

By that definition, faith is simply wishful thinking - I would at least hope it's a bit deeper and more meaningful than that.

"certain of what we cannot see"

I don't have all the answers. I'm just trying to have a debate here.Which if you haven't guessed I'm not too good at yet.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

By that definition, faith is simply wishful thinking - I would at least hope it's a bit deeper and more meaningful than that.

Hungry_Jello

"certain of what we cannot see"

I don't have all the answers. I'm just trying to have a debate here.Which if you haven't guessed I'm not too good at yet.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"][QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"][QUOTE="AudioPrison"]

(sigh) im athiest for one reason...many different religions claim that their god or gods created the earth. how can you be so sure that your god is the real one?

and tbh i cant stand religion, it bugs my happynes. i think its just a power thing...to have control over people. well thats the way i see it =/

Hungry_Jello

I could say the same thing for you. Many different atheists claim that a god or gods didn't create the earth. How can you be sure that your athiesm is the true way?

It's called faith and I have lots of it. Faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we cannot see.

Considering that there is absolutely no evidence that a god or gods exist, I think it fairly reasonable to assume that they do not...

[QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"][QUOTE="Teenaged"][QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"][QUOTE="AudioPrison"]

(sigh) im athiest for one reason...many different religions claim that their god or gods created the earth. how can you be so sure that your god is the real one?

and tbh i cant stand religion, it bugs my happynes. i think its just a power thing...to have control over people. well thats the way i see it =/

chessmaster1989

I could say the same thing for you. Many different atheists claim that a god or gods didn't create the earth. How can you be sure that your athiesm is the true way?

It's called faith and I have lots of it. Faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we cannot see.

Considering that there is absolutely no evidence that a god or gods exist, I think it fairly reasonable to assume that they do not...

In a way it seems to me that you have faith there is no God but I have faith that there is a God. Interesting.......

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"]

I could say the same thing for you. Many different atheists claim that a god or gods didn't create the earth. How can you be sure that your athiesm is the true way?

It's called faith and I have lots of it. Faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we cannot see.

Hungry_Jello

Considering that there is absolutely no evidence that a god or gods exist, I think it fairly reasonable to assume that they do not...

In a way it seems to me that you have faith there is no God but I have faith that there is a God. Interesting.......

Look, buddy, in my book, religious people create the theory that there is a god, so they have to prove it :x.

Given that the theory originated with religious people, and that the nonexistance of a god is natural to think, in absence of that theory, the burden of proof is on you, not me. :x

Now, offer me some proof.

What do you get when you cock a blender? Banality. God doesn't exist. Need proof? Don't be obtuse, and then you will find proof. You can't teach many individuals logic, reason, and critical analysis. You can't teach a theist to evaluate the validity of the ideas that they have been conditioned and socialized into subscribing to, even if they are exceptionally intelligent (and to be frank, few theists are exceptionally intelligent, and I don't say that with any pejorative connotations). Religion is a construct of human culture, as are politics, morals, ethics, art, et cetera. For many, to be human is to be religious; there is no seperation of the two. This makes any discussion of religion an exercise in futility, especially when you consider the fact that atheism is effectively a product of human culture as well; most self-described atheists are just as ignorant, arrogant, and misinformed as any theist. Though I would personally prefer a world populated by dumb*** atheists compared to the current situation. I would say that Atheists aren't violent, but then we would be pretending that the Soviet Union never existed, hahaha.

On the topic of morons protesting outside of abortion clinics? That is never permissible. I don't care what the validation is. So a few moronic women that have had an abortion are standing outside with you? That's validation for harassment? There's no justification for morons spewing misinformed garbage out of their mouths outside of abortion clinics. There also isn't any justification for morons running over other morons because they disagree with them. See where I'm going with this?

What do you get when you cock a blender? Religion threads.

How? How could you think this all happened by accident? The more I learn about science the more I believe there is a God behind it. Some stuff just can't happen coincedintally. I believe there is a purpose behind everything. The way our DNA forms and the way our bodies work are just crazy. How can you believe there isn't some higher power behind this?Hungry_Jello

How could you think this all happened by accident?Hungry_Jello

How? How could you think this all happened by accident?

*How could you think that a superpower being could just appear from nothing?

The more I learn about science the more I believe there is a God behind it.

*So you don't understand science.

Some stuff just can't happen coincedintally. I believe there is a purpose behind everything.

*You mean you WANT to believe.

The way our DNA forms and the way our bodies work are just crazy. How can you believe there isn't some higher power behind this?Hungry_Jello

*So something too complex for you to understand means it was created by an even more complex, powerful being that just popped into existence from nothing. Aww.. Now that sounds probable!

[QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"]How? How could you think this all happened by accident?

*How could you think that a superpower being could just appear from nothing?

FamiBox

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[QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"]How? How could you think this all happened by accident?

*How could you think that a superpower being could just appear from nothing?

BumFluff122

What you just said means nothing at all.

[QUOTE="FamiBox"]

[QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"]How? How could you think this all happened by accident?

*How could you think that a superpower being could just appear from nothing?

BumFluff122

[QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Considering that there is absolutely no evidence that a god or gods exist, I think it fairly reasonable to assume that they do not...

In a way it seems to me that you have faith there is no God but I have faith that there is a God. Interesting.......

chessmaster1989

Look, buddy, in my book, religious people create the theory that there is a god, so they have to prove it :x.

Given that the theory originated with religious people, and that the nonexistance of a god is natural to think, in absence of that theory, the burden of proof is on you, not me. :x

Now, offer me some proof.

Do you have proof that says religious people started this theory? What if an atheist thought "Hey, I think there's a guy upstairs watching down on us."

If God performed actions outside of space and time, how could He have impacted or interacted inside of space and time without being subject to them?xaos

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"]Hungry_Jello

Look, buddy, in my book, religious people create the theory that there is a god, so they have to prove it :x.

Given that the theory originated with religious people, and that the nonexistance of a god is natural to think, in absence of that theory, the burden of proof is on you, not me. :x

Now, offer me some proof.

Do you have proof that says religious people started this theory? What if an atheist thought "Hey, I think there's a guy upstairs watching down on us."

I doubt that is the case...

However, even if it is, the theory that god(s) exist(s) is still the proposed theory, and it is up to the religious people to prove it.

It is up to atheists to disprove it unless you can show me where it says religious ppl have burden of proof. Honestly this argument could work both ways so there's no point in continuing this. Back to the real matter at hand. Why does God need a creater if he is God. Think about it people. The man that created everything around you was not created by someone because he is God.Hungry_Jello

It is up to atheists to disprove it unless you can show me where it says religious ppl have burden of proof. Honestly this argument could work both ways so there's no point in continuing this. Back to the real matter at hand. Why does God need a creater if he is God. Think about it people. The man that created everything around you was not created by someone because he is God.Hungry_Jello

How could a creature live within his own creation?"BumFluff122

[QUOTE="Hungry_Jello"]It is up to atheists to disprove it unless you can show me where it says religious ppl have burden of proof. Honestly this argument could work both ways so there's no point in continuing this. Back to the real matter at hand. Why does God need a creater if he is God. Think about it people. The man that created everything around you was not created by someone because he is God.CptJSparrow

I already said that this question can work both ways. Either way neither of us is going to get a right answer so lets move on to how you think the Creator must live in his creation.

It is up to atheists to disprove it unless you can show me where it says religious ppl have burden of proof. Honestly this argument could work both ways so there's no point in continuing this. Back to the real matter at hand. Why does God need a creater if he is God. Think about it people. The man that created everything around you was not created by someone because he is God.Hungry_Jello

Extraordinary statements require extraordinary evidence.

I already said that this question can work both ways. Either way neither of us is going to get a right answer so lets move on to how you think the Creator must live in his creation.

Hungry_Jello