A question to atheists.....

I know I probably won't change any minds here but maybe...just maybe some atheist might see what I'm saying and change his point of view. Where there's a will there's a way/

Hungry_Jello

So your posting a religious topic, trying to convince Atheists to convert to Christianity...

On a gaming website forum?:|

evolution is fact. Which is why the knowledgeable religious have incorporated it into their beliefs. BumFluff122

You could always consider arguments to the contrary too, while you're at it. :PGabuEx

[QUOTE="Epak_"][QUOTE="Euroshinobi"]Better Question: Do human clones have souls ?

ATT-Fighter

Very interesting indeed. Can people live without a soul? I believe we're just a series of bodily functions and electrical signals controller by our brain.

If you read more into abiogenesis, quantum mechanics, the big bang theory, etc. many aspects of the universe around us can and has already been explained by modern science. In my perception, the more I learn about the universe around me, the less likely some sort of deity exists. If such a higher power were to exist, however, it would probably be pantheistic.

Saying that the universe proves the existance of God due to it's complexity is very narrow-minded, because what makes something complex is own personal perception of the matter. What you may find mind-bogglingly confusing could be simple "2+2=4" problem-solving for rocket scientists, etc.

No it isn't. It hasn't been exactly 100% proved. hydralisk86

[QUOTE="hydralisk86"]No it isn't. It hasn't been exactly 100% proved. foxhound_fox

Adding onto Foxhound's post, saying evolution is wrong just because it's "just a theory" is rather impractical. This would suggest that anything else labeled as a theory, such as the Gravity Theory or the Cell Theory, is also dismissable as "not being 100% proven." No scientific theory is 100% proven, neither is it possible to 100% prove a scientific theory; the empirical evidence that supports the many theories of science is what gives each former-hypothesis it's credibility.

In case you (hydralisk86) didn't know, a theory in science is the highest stature of acceptance a hypothesis can gain in the scientific community. Generally speaking, scientific theories are commonly considered facts because of the vast amount of evidence that supports the theory in question.

Agonsticism ftw.

Its impossible to know which religion is correct.

Agonsticism ftw.

Its impossible to know which religion is correct.

windsofwang

Or if any are correct at all.

Agonsticism ftw.

Its impossible to know which religion is correct.

windsofwang

[QUOTE="hydralisk86"]No it isn't. It hasn't been exactly 100% proved. foxhound_fox

There are bones, there are things like that, but there are holes in evolution. For example, though there is evidence in animals today that they probably had ancestors, at the same time, we don't have remains of all those animals who were those ancestors. This is not a lame excuse, evolution has its problems too. I assume you agree?hydralisk86

For example, though there is evidence in animals today that they probably had ancestors, at the same time, we don't have remains of all those animals who were those ancestors. This is not a lame excuse, evolution has its problems too. I assume you agree?hydralisk86

Why do we need fossils of every animal that has ever existed (which is basically what you're asserting) before we can conclude that evolution is true?

No offense, but that's my main complaint with those who seem determined not to believe that evolution is true: no matter what scientists find, the goalposts just keep getting moved. First, it was "find a transitional fossil". Then a transitional fossil was found, and it was "find enough transitional fossils". Then we found hundreds and hundreds of transitional fossils, and now it seems to be "find a fossil of every single animal in the entire tree of life".

At what point can we just stop, look at what we have available, and conclude that evolution is pretty much true?

The fossil record isn't even the strongest evidence in favor of evolution, anyway. The discovery of DNA and of the similarites between our DNA and that of many other similar animals was really the stake through the heart of any serious scientific opposition to evolution, as it proved precisely how evolution could occur, through the process that we now know as genetic mutation.

[QUOTE="ATT-Fighter"]Way I see it: No God. Me and athiests die and nothing matters. God. Im living good and athiests arent in a happy place.montieman

[QUOTE="hydralisk86"]There are bones, there are things like that, but there are holes in evolution. For example, though there is evidence in animals today that they probably had ancestors, at the same time, we don't have remains of all those animals who were those ancestors. This is not a lame excuse, evolution has its problems too. I assume you agree?foxhound_fox

Let's start with you. Why do you believe that evolution is so certain?

I think that atheist do not believe in God because they do not think there is enough proof that he exists.RenegadePatriot

No one has ever claimed it happened "by accident". The claim is that it happened methodologically and predicatably according to the natural laws that govern the universe. There is no need to inject God into the equation when you have things like the four fundamental forces of nature.

GabuEx

Let's start with you. Why do you believe that evolution is so certain?hydralisk86

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

No one has ever claimed it happened "by accident". The claim is that it happened methodologically and predicatably according to the natural laws that govern the universe. There is no need to inject God into the equation when you have things like the four fundamental forces of nature.

illegalimigrant

1. LOL

2. Please, enlighten us of this evidence

No the only way that everything could have happened without a higher power is impossible. Reguardless of natural laws explaining some things we know of. Much of the so called natural law seem mistical themself. Gravity is a major one. But Lets look at a prokariot cell. The theory is that this cell form randomly only once and everything evolved from that cell. Now the cell had to have formed all the sudden by molecules to a complete state that it would be able to do the proccess that is known for now. The reason for this instant creation would be that any molecule especially complex ones degrade over time.illegalimigrant

No offense, but I really have no idea what you're talking about. Since when have scientists ever claimed that a cell just randomly formed out of nowhere? That would obviously be no better than claiming that it popped out of nowhere because a deity made it appear, which makes it fortunate that that is not what scientists feel is the case. See this quick video for a brief primer on what scientists actually think.

Since another cell has not been born randomly in any situation that we know of since I think the lack of a creator is very unlikely. But a greater question is why be against religion. Faith plays an important role in the health of the body. There is much evidence that suggest that people that have faith heal faster, live longer and are less likely to stay ill for long. Regardless of weather scientific reasons are the cause or not faith does have a positive influence on people and unless you goal is to cause harm to a society as a whole there is no reason to try and preach your anti god message. You have the right to your beliefs and others have the same rights. illegalimigrant

"You are entitled to your own opinions, Sir, but not your own facts." - Unknown

If someone wishes to assert something to be the case, I would at least hope that I am perfectly within my rights to provide evidence that he is in error. Surely we ought to derive strength from truth, not from a lie.

And I am not an atheist; indeed, I believe in a universal creator; but thank you for asking. :P

These evolution deniers never cease to crack me up. I especially love the argument that "evolution is just a theory, it's not proven!"gobo212

I know, my favorite is "evolution can't be true, it hasn't been observered!" the irony:lol:

@Gabu: I prefer cdk007's video on abiogenesis over potholer54's... but there's nothing wrong with potholer.foxhound_fox

Personally, I like potholer's video more because it gets to the point quicker and tends to be more streamlined and cohesive, but additional explanation is certainly never a bad thing.

[QUOTE="gobo212"]These evolution deniers never cease to crack me up. I especially love the argument that "evolution is just a theory, it's not proven!"links136

I know, my favorite is "evolution can't be true, it hasn't been observered!" the irony:lol:

That's what you get when you're desperate. :lol:

The laws of physics.

Read about 'em.

I'm so sick of these threads

Are you trying to convert people? and do you really think an atheist is going to read this and suddenly believe?

No one has ever claimed it happened "by accident". The claim is that it happened methodologically and predicatably according to the natural laws that govern the universe. There is no need to inject God into the equation when you have things like the four fundamental forces of nature.

GabuEx

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]evolution is fact. Which is why the knowledgeable religious have incorporated it into their beliefs. hydralisk86

- Everything that is alive changes overtime, including plants......Throw us humans in the dark for thousands & thousands of years and we will most likely lose our eyes and develope some sort of super mega awesome seing in the dark eyes lol

- Every Race on this earth, Caucasian, Asian w/e all traces back to africa, we all once looked the same, until we split up and endured different habitats for years & years

- scientist make new discoveries everyday.......its up to you to follow up on them......the internet makes it extremely EASY, i for one cant understand how some has the internet, an instant doorway to knowledge.....and they dont utilize it

- Every Race on this earth, Caucasian, Asian w/e all traces back to africa, we all once looked the same, until we split up and endured different habitats for years & years

Euroshinobi

That is actually a contentious point.

[QUOTE="hydralisk86"][QUOTE="BumFluff122"]evolution is fact. Which is why the knowledgeable religious have incorporated it into their beliefs. BumFluff122

[QUOTE="Euroshinobi"]- Every Race on this earth, Caucasian, Asian w/e all traces back to africa, we all once looked the same, until we split up and endured different habitats for years & years

gobo212

That is actually a contentious point.

[QUOTE="gobo212"][QUOTE="Euroshinobi"]- Every Race on this earth, Caucasian, Asian w/e all traces back to africa, we all once looked the same, until we split up and endured different habitats for years & years

Euroshinobi

That is actually a contentious point.

[QUOTE="Euroshinobi"][QUOTE="gobo212"]

That is actually a contentious point.

gobo212

[QUOTE="gobo212"][QUOTE="Euroshinobi"]several hominid species evolved in Africa, there is evidence to support it, currently scientist discovered that Africa was not the only one to have early humans but so wasmalaysia, regardless, evolution is not a theory, its fact, even bacteria is constantly evolving Euroshinobi

It's not a "fact." It is simply the best explanation we have to explain the facts (and one that I accept). Scientific laws and theories don't attempt to be facts they attempt to explain them.gobo212

[QUOTE="Euroshinobi"][QUOTE="gobo212"] It's not a "fact." It is simply the best explanation we have to explain the facts (and one that I accept). Scientific laws and theories don't attempt to be facts they attempt to explain them.gobo212

Microevolution is a fact as it has been seen and observed. What you are talking about is macroevolution. It is questionable whether this type of evolution has been observed. The bacteria example I gave in one of my previouys posts may be an example of macroevolution, or, a species changing into a new species. IF we are going to see macroevolution take place we will have to see it in bacteria because human life isn't long enough to see it in much of anythign else. There is still a mountain of evidence supporting macroevolution though and religious individuals who completely write it off have absolutely no idea what exactly it is or the evidence supporting it.BumFluff122

[QUOTE="Euroshinobi"][QUOTE="gobo212"]

That is actually a contentious point.

gobo212

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]Microevolution is a fact as it has been seen and observed. What you are talking about is macroevolution. It is questionable whether this type of evolution has been observed. The bacteria example I gave in one of my previouys posts may be an example of macroevolution, or, a species changing into a new species. IF we are going to see macroevolution take place we will have to see it in bacteria because human life isn't long enough to see it in much of anythign else. There is still a mountain of evidence supporting macroevolution though and religious individuals who completely write it off have absolutely no idea what exactly it is or the evidence supporting it.foxhound_fox

A fact must be proven. Science doesn't seek to prove anything.gobo212

[QUOTE="gobo212"]A fact must be proven. Science doesn't seek to prove anything.BumFluff122