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#351 hydratedleaf
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[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="gubrushadow"] can you prove that many is > one , or that the triangle have 180 degrees ? that saying is not by me , qouted from the one who invented math , his name is iqlidus in my langauage btw... gubrushadow

Yes, you can prove many > one, at least in a mathematical sense. You don't need to prove that a trianlge has 180 degrees, that's a simple fact, if its angles did not add up to 180 degrees it wouldn't be a triangle by definition.

let me introduce you to 2 scientists , lopashewski and reyman (think i wrought them wrong) one proved with proof and nobody could argue with him that triangle have more than 180 degrees , and the other proved that its always < 180 degrees , what can you say now ??not to mention that triangle is 180 here since its flat , how is it in space , or at the atoms ? that first , also how is many > one ?? (see wikipedia)

I'm dying oh god oh man
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#352 gubrushadow
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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

Yes, you can prove many > one, at least in a mathematical sense. You don't need to prove that a trianlge has 180 degrees, that's a simple fact, if its angles did not add up to 180 degrees it wouldn't be a triangle by definition.

theone86

let me introduce you to 2 scientists , lopashewski and reyman (think i wrought them wrong) one proved with proof and nobody could argue with him that triangle have more than 180 degrees , and the other proved that its always < 180 degrees , what can you say now ??not to mention that triangle is 180 here since its flat , how is it in space , or at the atoms ? that first , also how is many > one ?? (see wikipedia)

I can't find either one on wikipedia, need links. I do know that 2 will always be greater than one and so forth, unless you delve into theoretical mathmatics. TBQH, that doesn't have any practical application to the subject at hand because it is theoretical. As to a triangle, I doubt that anyone is able to prove that a triangle is anything other than a shape with three angles, sides, and all angles equalling 180 degress. If you're saying a drawing of a triangle, yes, that's because a drawing is an imperfect representation, but a triangle itself will always have 180 degrees.

i took them in my philosophy class , but however (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Lobachevsky) qoute from it :he sum of angles in a triangle must be less than 180 degrees. cant find the other guy , but imsure of it since its based on my physlosophy book...
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#353 hydratedleaf
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[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="gubrushadow"]

let me introduce you to 2 scientists , lopashewski and reyman (think i wrought them wrong) one proved with proof and nobody could argue with him that triangle have more than 180 degrees , and the other proved that its always < 180 degrees , what can you say now ??not to mention that triangle is 180 here since its flat , how is it in space , or at the atoms ? that first , also how is many > one ?? (see wikipedia)

gubrushadow

I can't find either one on wikipedia, need links. I do know that 2 will always be greater than one and so forth, unless you delve into theoretical mathmatics. TBQH, that doesn't have any practical application to the subject at hand because it is theoretical. As to a triangle, I doubt that anyone is able to prove that a triangle is anything other than a shape with three angles, sides, and all angles equalling 180 degress. If you're saying a drawing of a triangle, yes, that's because a drawing is an imperfect representation, but a triangle itself will always have 180 degrees.

i took them in my philosophy class , but however (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Lobachevsky) qoute from it :he sum of angles in a triangle must be less than 180 degrees. cant find the other guy , but imsure of it since its based on my physlosophy book...

For some non-Euclidian geometries, yes. This has been known for a long time. When people refer simply to a triangle, the implication is that the geometry will be Euclidian.
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AHHH your ignorance makes me want to cry with frustration. There is clearly no point, even trying to explain this ridiculous idea, that this even comes close to a proof of god.

If this isn't a joke there is no point even trying to have a rational debate with someone who is so irrational and doesn't seem to understand the concept of logical reasoning.

This makes me sick, and really scared at how crazy and unwilling to face the truth people are, how much they have to battle to try and make sense of their own psychosis.

Despite all the flawed flawed science, there was still no shred of evidence god exists, disproving one theory does not automatically prove god!

I can't even carry on. Read a **** book, open your mind and just be amazed at the insignificance of you and your religion, how vast and beautifully glorious the universe truely is.

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[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="gubrushadow"]

let me introduce you to 2 scientists , lopashewski and reyman (think i wrought them wrong) one proved with proof and nobody could argue with him that triangle have more than 180 degrees , and the other proved that its always < 180 degrees , what can you say now ??not to mention that triangle is 180 here since its flat , how is it in space , or at the atoms ? that first , also how is many > one ?? (see wikipedia)

gubrushadow

I can't find either one on wikipedia, need links. I do know that 2 will always be greater than one and so forth, unless you delve into theoretical mathmatics. TBQH, that doesn't have any practical application to the subject at hand because it is theoretical. As to a triangle, I doubt that anyone is able to prove that a triangle is anything other than a shape with three angles, sides, and all angles equalling 180 degress. If you're saying a drawing of a triangle, yes, that's because a drawing is an imperfect representation, but a triangle itself will always have 180 degrees.

i took them in my philosophy class , but however (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Lobachevsky) qoute from it :he sum of angles in a triangle must be less than 180 degrees. cant find the other guy , but imsure of it since its based on my physlosophy book...

That still doesn't change the fact that the idea of a triangle all angles add up to 180 degrees, as I understand it what it means is that a representation of a triangle on a non-linear plane will have all its angles add up to less than 180 degrees.

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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="theone86"]

I can't find either one on wikipedia, need links. I do know that 2 will always be greater than one and so forth, unless you delve into theoretical mathmatics. TBQH, that doesn't have any practical application to the subject at hand because it is theoretical. As to a triangle, I doubt that anyone is able to prove that a triangle is anything other than a shape with three angles, sides, and all angles equalling 180 degress. If you're saying a drawing of a triangle, yes, that's because a drawing is an imperfect representation, but a triangle itself will always have 180 degrees.

hydratedleaf

i took them in my philosophy class , but however (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Lobachevsky) qoute from it :he sum of angles in a triangle must be less than 180 degrees. cant find the other guy , but imsure of it since its based on my physlosophy book...

For some non-Euclidian geometries, yes. This has been known for a long time. When people refer simply to a triangle, the implication is that the geometry will be Euclidian.

that is true , but in my high mathematics , we take geometry in space , you cant use Euclidian math there , i mean this |/ is a 90 degree in space , thats why non Euclidian math comes to use ....

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This thread is still going on?rockguy92

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#358 scorch-62
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a scientific proof that GOD existes ...gubrushadow
Ignoring the mistakes, I still lol'd.
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#359 hydratedleaf
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[QUOTE="hydratedleaf"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"] i took them in my philosophy class , but however (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Lobachevsky) qoute from it :he sum of angles in a triangle must be less than 180 degrees. cant find the other guy , but imsure of it since its based on my physlosophy book...gubrushadow

For some non-Euclidian geometries, yes. This has been known for a long time. When people refer simply to a triangle, the implication is that the geometry will be Euclidian.

that is true , but in my high mathematics , we take geometry in space , you cant use Euclidian math there , i mean this |/ is a 90 degree in space , thats why non Euclidian math comes to use ....

...yes, I understand that because I'm not an idiot.
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#360 gubrushadow
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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"]

[QUOTE="hydratedleaf"]For some non-Euclidian geometries, yes. This has been known for a long time. When people refer simply to a triangle, the implication is that the geometry will be Euclidian.hydratedleaf

that is true , but in my high mathematics , we take geometry in space , you cant use Euclidian math there , i mean this |/ is a 90 degree in space , thats why non Euclidian math comes to use ....

...yes, I understand that because I'm not an idiot.

who said you are :|
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[QUOTE="rockguy92"]This thread is still going on?comp_atkins

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I tried to kill it, but it just kept coming back. Looks like we're going to need some help with this one, call Ving Rhames, HE knows how to deal with zombies.

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see this is what ive argued and no one here has actually rebuked my claim. heck my last two posts were hardly rebuked but one part was taken and anaylized while missing everything else and its here again in what you said the entire known universe by means of evolution appeared by pure freakin accident and chance. total chance the odds against as i stated and was laughed at for stating are like t6834563786545436y97438567856375346574564375634 to 1. evolution just does not exist. theres no concrete proof for it. theres far more proof for inteligent design that everything is organized just so.

because as i stated and no one seemed to offer a good counter point what stopped jupiter from being the first planet in our solar system and earth crashing into it? thats right pure freakin luck. what are the odds the moon just happened to float by by pure chance and avoid jupiter? what are the odds that earth was moving at just the right speed that force of the sun could stop it and throw it into orbit? and the odds earth just happened to be just right for life which again conviently the moon happened to show up for no reason other than chance. see science can try and fit the evolution of life into the spectrum and come up with a half baked idea that holds little ground and once we start looknig at well gee how did the planets come into being by pure chance too? the idea falls apart even more. and i agree with you why in human history is there no recorded proof of evolution?

i dont get it and you make a valid point why do i assume the toaster wont evovle and was premade but earth no that evolved by pure total luck of the draw its like it went to vegas and kept on winning all 5465467546765765765765765 times. and furthermore who created the laws of physics? did they just magically appear on there own? you know the laws that keep the earth ticking? again inteligent design offers a reasonable answer evolution offers endless questions that wont ever be answered.

kayoticdreamz

Perhaps no one continues to respond to your arguments because, besides being logically flawed and demonstrating a lack of scientific knowledge of the subject you are arguing about, you continue to repeat them while ignoring our rebuttals?

But since you desire someone to address your statements, why don't I take a stab at the one you keep throwing around. You say that there is such a small chance of life occuring because of all the odds of getting this specific configuration. You are making a blind assumption that any other combination of planets, moons, etc... will not result in life. Obviously, this is impossible to prove since we don't know how or if life would have developed had our universe developed differently.

Again, you are also making a blind assumption that the Earth was suited for life and not that life changed itself to suit the Earth. Since life on Earth encompasses a massive amount of different species able to survive in many, radically different, environments, a much more logical assumption (and one that is backed up by observational evidence) is that life adapts to the environment it is in. So Earth appears "perfect" because we are suited to living in it.

You also seem to be confusing the Theory of Evolution, which only applies to organisms that we know of, with the development of the universe. The Theory of Evolution does not deal with the formation of planets, the beginning of the universe, or even the beginning of life. It only deals with the current, past, and future development of pre-existing lifeforms.

You also assume that evolution is based on luck, which it is not. Evolution is driven by natural selection (and some other factors like sexual selection) which dictates that organisms better able to survive (not necessarily the strongest, fastest, or smartest, just the ones who survive best) will reproduce and those unfit for the environment will die out.l

There is plenty of recorded instances of evolution. Nylon eating bacteria, Drosophilia and other many instances of speciation.

Science never presented itself as having all the answers. It merely observes the natural world around us and draws conclusions from observational evidence so that we may better understand our surroundings. You may not consider evolution to be important, but a thorough understanding of evolution by natural selection is vital to upper level biology.

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[QUOTE="hydratedleaf"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"] i took them in my philosophy class , but however (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Lobachevsky) qoute from it :he sum of angles in a triangle must be less than 180 degrees. cant find the other guy , but imsure of it since its based on my physlosophy book...gubrushadow

For some non-Euclidian geometries, yes. This has been known for a long time. When people refer simply to a triangle, the implication is that the geometry will be Euclidian.

that is true , but in my high mathematics , we take geometry in space , you cant use Euclidian math there , i mean this |/ is a 90 degree in space , thats why non Euclidian math comes to use ....

well, as a published person in the field of mathematics with a masters degree I can tell you that statement is nothing short of ridiculous.
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#364 dalafor
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science is all a theory noting in science can be proven...so there for god posibly exists

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#365 mfp16
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science is all a theory noting in science can be proven...so there for god posibly exists

dalafor

wait... what?

Lets accept the hypothesis that "noting in science can be proven"(sic)... even though that is far from the truth.

Why would that mean that "god posibly exists"(sic)

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#366 bloodling
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science is all a theory noting in science can be proven...so there for god posibly exists

dalafor

It's not about can god possibly exist, it's about does he exist or not, and the answer is no.

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#367 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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I feel bad for TC..

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I feel bad for TC..

Xx_Hopeless_xX
Why? OP is plagiarised. TC contributed nothing but laziness and anti-intellectualism.
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#369 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I feel bad for TC..

hydratedleaf
Why? OP is plagiarised. TC contributed nothing but laziness and anti-intellectualism.

Because of people like you..insulting him because of his beliefs..
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#370 hydratedleaf
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[QUOTE="hydratedleaf"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I feel bad for TC..

Xx_Hopeless_xX
Why? OP is plagiarised. TC contributed nothing but laziness and anti-intellectualism.

Because of people like you..insulting him because of his beliefs..

Where did that happen?
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You make very valid points with this paragraph. Now, I'm definitely not a scientist, and I often attempt to sound smarter than I actually am. So when I say this, know that it is entirely my opinion.

I think that most of the evidence that supports evolution, in fact, supports just the opposite. That life was indeed created by an intelligent creator. Take for example the interconnectedness on life on Earth. You believe that it means evolution took place. That two fossils containing similar properties means that it must've evolved. I would argue that the interconnectedness is simply proof of a clever creator using a system that works between different species. The fact that our world works as well as it does on it's own is not simply a product of millions of years of chance evolution. The odds against such an idea are staggering. I actually do believe that evolution is real on a micro level. But not on a macro level. Research has shown that mutations are never positive. The few mutations we see today are evidence of that. Take Cancer for example. Cancer is essentially just cellular mutation. Harmful cellular mutation might I add. The concept of an entire species evolving positively into an entirely new species is, frankly, ludicrous. There is absolutely no record of species evolution. I find it hard to believe that evolution, which went on for millions of years to get to the point it's at right now, we have never actually recorded in human history. Why is it that the only evolution we see anymore is in microscopic bacteria and the like? Now, there may be answers for my questions, and I expect GabuEx here to provide them. Like I said, I am no scientist.

KH-mixerX

Interconnectedness shows a clever creator? How?

Humans have a tailbone - the exact same tailbone that chimpanzees have, structurally speaking - yet they have no tail. Why would we have the exact same fundamental skeletal structure as other great apes when we clearly do not have the same bodily structure? Would a clever creator not have created unique skeletal structures to match? Was there a 2-for-1 deal on skeletons and God had some left over? Honest question.

That's not the only example of this, either. Many flightless birds have hollow bones. Why? The benefit of hollow bones is to enable flight, yet these birds cannot fly. And before one wishes to suggest that it might perhaps be the case that they provide an additional benefit that we don't know about, let me additionally point out that there also exist flightless birds that are more distant evolutionary relatives of birds capable of flight, and these flightless birds do not have hollow bones. So what gives? Again, did God just not have enough marrow left over to fill the bones of these flightless birds, or what?

A clever creator would create completely unique animals perfectly tailored, would he not? We certainly have nothing of the sort in life on Earth. Heck, much of our DNA sequence does nothing whatsoever, and serves absolutely no purpose other than simply to bear witness to our evolutionary heritage. Why would God have done all this, if indeed he meticulously built every form of life we have? Did he want us to come to the conclusion that evolution is true, or what?

And as for macroevolution, I'm going to assume that you would agree with the idea that a workable definition of a species is a group of animals that may interbreed. If that is the case, then consider the case of ring species. Ring species are geographically connected groups of animals that are similar, but clearly different at the same time. At every single boundary, the two groups of animals straddling the boundary can interbreed fine. However, when you take an animal from the start of the ring and an animal from the end of the ring, they cannot interbreed. In other words, ring species provide a clear and undeniable progression of evolution, at each of which stage the animals can interbreed, but clearly producing two different species of animals at the start and end who cannot interbreed. And this is exactly what has happened in Earth's evolutionary history, only on a much grander scale.

No offense, but the idea that all mutations are negative is false. In fact, most mutations are more or less benign. Take our inability to synthesize vitamin C, for example. Obviously, we are not dead, despite the fact that we cannot synthesize vitamin C while other animals can. This mutation was not removed from the gene pool for the simple reason that, while not beneficial, it was not negative, either, so it just sort of went along for the ride.

Oh, and cancer is not an example of genetic mutation, which is the type of mutation that drives evolution. Genetic mutation occurs when the DNA in an animal's offspring is altered at a very early stage such that it is different from either of its parents', thereby producing different physiological effects when that offspring grows and matures.

I like your analogy at the end of that bolded paragraph. I'm a big fan of analogies. Which is why I'm going to use one right now to close out this post.

When you look at any object or appliance in the modern household today, it's an automatic fact that someone had to of made it. It doesn't need to be debated. A universal truth. Now, a machine is very different from biological tissue, I know. So don't bother pointing it out to me. But why is it that the human body, which is made up of trillions of cells each more complex than a factory the size of a city, can carry the label of random chance? Shouldn't it be assumed that someone had to of made it as well? Humans evolving from a pile of primordial goo is akin to a mother board plugged into a wall evolving into a super computer. It's just not possible. And even if it was...Let's just assume for a moment that it is possible. The human form came into existence completely by chance. This would mean that all of it's complexities such as the brain and central nervous system that all work together in perfect order to keep it alive just randomly happened by chance over millions of years. I'm sorry, but I reject that concept.

KH-mixerX

But it's not random chance. That's one of the most common misconceptions about evolution, and it's just not true. It's not random chance any more than things falling down is random chance. When a mutation occurs, it is either beneficial, negative, or benign, which evolutionarily speaking means that it makes the animal possessing the mutation either more, less, or no more and no less able to survive and reproduce than its peers. If the mutation makes it less able to survive and reproduce, then it is an evolutionary dead end, and slowly (or quickly, depending on how bad it is) is removed from the gene pool. If the mutation makes it more able to survive and reproduce, then it will be gradually propagated over several generations into the population at large, as the animal possessing it will survive and reproduce at a greater rate than those who don't possess it. (And, of course, if it's benign, then it just has no effect at all.)

The actual mutations themselves are unpredictable, but the process that selects them for either propagation or removal is far, far from random chance. The whole "whirlwind through a hangar making a plane" analogy just plain fundamentally misunderstands evolution. It is not just a sudden event, like a skunk suddenly giving birth to a dog, but rather is a very, very gradual process that has progressed over millions and millions of years. And we have found thousands and thousands of fossils of animals that bridge apparent gaps, too, such as Tiktaalik, which was likely part of the bridge between fish and amphibians.

And though you already alluded to the fact that humans and machines are different, let me just state for the record what that difference is, since it's absolutely fundamental: machines are not capable of self-replication. That is the fundamental, most important difference that shoots down any analogy that compares humans to an inorganic compound incapable of self-replication. Because life is capable of self-replication, life gains the ability to slowly, gradually change over millions of years as imperfect replications are created. Motherboards can't evolve into supercomputers because silicon, gold, steel, and all the other compounds that make them up are static, and cannot reproduce.

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#372 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="hydratedleaf"]Why? OP is plagiarised. TC contributed nothing but laziness and anti-intellectualism.hydratedleaf
Because of people like you..insulting him because of his beliefs..

Where did that happen?

Calling him a plagiarist, lazy and so forth..there's nothing wrong with that..
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#373 hydratedleaf
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="hydratedleaf"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] Because of people like you..insulting him because of his beliefs..

Where did that happen?

Calling him a plagiarist, lazy and so forth..there's nothing wrong with that..

How does that constitute insulting him because of his beliefs? I called him lazy and a plagiarist because he copied and pasted the entire OP. His beliefs have nothing to do with that.
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#374 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="hydratedleaf"]Where did that happen?hydratedleaf
Calling him a plagiarist, lazy and so forth..there's nothing wrong with that..

How does that constitute insulting him because of his beliefs? I called him lazy and a plagiarist because he copied and pasted the entire OP. His beliefs have nothing to do with that.

If it was a different subject it's questionable whether you would call him such..also, just because he didn't write the whole thing does not mean he didn't research the subject..
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#375 GabuEx
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If it was a different subject it's questionable whether you would call him such..also, just because he didn't write the whole thing does not mean he didn't research the subject..Xx_Hopeless_xX

Given the sheer density of false statements in the original post, I kinda hope he didn't... :P

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#376 hydratedleaf
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="hydratedleaf"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] Calling him a plagiarist, lazy and so forth..there's nothing wrong with that..

How does that constitute insulting him because of his beliefs? I called him lazy and a plagiarist because he copied and pasted the entire OP. His beliefs have nothing to do with that.

If it was a different subject it's questionable whether you would call him such..also, just because he didn't write the whole thing does not mean he didn't research the subject..

The slightest amount of research would reveal the OP as absolute bollocks. As such, I would have serious worries about the OP if he HAD researched it. Besides - try plagiarising an essay and explaining to your professor that you researched the subject anyway. You'd be kicked out before your feet hit the ground.
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#377 SgtKevali
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[QUOTE="hydratedleaf"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] Calling him a plagiarist, lazy and so forth..there's nothing wrong with that..Xx_Hopeless_xX
How does that constitute insulting him because of his beliefs? I called him lazy and a plagiarist because he copied and pasted the entire OP. His beliefs have nothing to do with that.

If it was a different subject it's questionable whether you would call him such..also, just because he didn't write the whole thing does not mean he didn't research the subject..

There's no way he researched this "subject", read what he copied, and pasted it. It doesn't make any sense.

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#378 Lonelynight
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I can't understand how people can believe that God exist(without evidence) but deny evolution.(which has quite a lot of facts to support it)
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#379 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="hydratedleaf"]How does that constitute insulting him because of his beliefs? I called him lazy and a plagiarist because he copied and pasted the entire OP. His beliefs have nothing to do with that.hydratedleaf
If it was a different subject it's questionable whether you would call him such..also, just because he didn't write the whole thing does not mean he didn't research the subject..

The slightest amount of research would reveal the OP as absolute bollocks. As such, I would have serious worries about the OP if he HAD researched it. Besides - try plagiarising an essay and explaining to your professor that you researched the subject anyway. You'd be kicked out before your feet hit the ground.

This isn't a college class though now is it?..And who knows if he researched the subject or not..? To call him lazy and such is wholly unfounded..
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#380 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="hydratedleaf"]How does that constitute insulting him because of his beliefs? I called him lazy and a plagiarist because he copied and pasted the entire OP. His beliefs have nothing to do with that.SgtKevali

If it was a different subject it's questionable whether you would call him such..also, just because he didn't write the whole thing does not mean he didn't research the subject..

There's no way he researched this "subject", read what he copied, and pasted it. It doesn't make any sense.

Well who's to say really?..I find that calling him a plagiarist as well as lazy and so on is wholly unnecessary..
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#381 kipohippo021
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Why cant we be friends?Lets just leave this thread with honor. *walks out* *sets up table with cookies at the exit* c'mon!

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#382 hydratedleaf
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="hydratedleaf"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] If it was a different subject it's questionable whether you would call him such..also, just because he didn't write the whole thing does not mean he didn't research the subject..

The slightest amount of research would reveal the OP as absolute bollocks. As such, I would have serious worries about the OP if he HAD researched it. Besides - try plagiarising an essay and explaining to your professor that you researched the subject anyway. You'd be kicked out before your feet hit the ground.

This isn't a college class though now is it?..And who knows if he researched the subject or not..? To call him lazy and such is wholly unfounded..

Because his subsequent responses make it clear that he doesn't even understand what he's talking about, and doesn't understand the subjects which his copypasta abuses so flagtrantly.
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#383 DarkerGemini
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I feel as though in the end of all this, nobody is ever going to fully agree. There is always going to be argument about who is right and who is wrong. That is the natural order of things, in a way, a true example of yin and yang. You cannot have one without the other, if everyone were to believe in the same thing I believe there would be chaos on a much grander scale. Diversity is needed in order for us to grow. Nobody can prove or disprove the existence of God since we cannot see him. As a whole you can only go off of what you feel. The same would go for the theory of evolution. We can say that it is a proven theory based on scientific study, but can you really prove it to be true? No you cannot, and only because nobody was there when it happened. We are only able to actually prove what is directly in front of us, something that we can feel, smell, taste etc. Otherwise everything is just based on personal opinion.

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#384 2-10-08
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For lack of good facts I won't try to prove either but I hope that everyone here realizes that this question is an important part of the development of humans and wanting these kinds of threads to go away is against that development. Hopefully future advances in science and ideas give us a clearer view. Personally I believe in Creation by god. But I also understand the concept of evolution and its evidence.

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#385 hydratedleaf
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For lack of good facts I won't try to prove either but I hope that everyone here realizes that this question is an important part of the development of humans and wanting these kinds of threads to go away is against that development. Hopefully future advances in science and ideas give us a clearer view. Personally I believe in Creation by god. But I also understand the concept of evolution and its evidence.

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Because if there's one thing the vapid, tired creation/evolution debate needs, it's copypasta.
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#386 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="hydratedleaf"]The slightest amount of research would reveal the OP as absolute bollocks. As such, I would have serious worries about the OP if he HAD researched it. Besides - try plagiarising an essay and explaining to your professor that you researched the subject anyway. You'd be kicked out before your feet hit the ground.hydratedleaf
This isn't a college class though now is it?..And who knows if he researched the subject or not..? To call him lazy and such is wholly unfounded..

Because his subsequent responses make it clear that he doesn't even understand what he's talking about, and doesn't understand the subjects which his copypasta abuses so flagtrantly.

So you call him lazy and so forth..that's the mature thing to do! And it's still impossible to definitively state he has done zero research on the subject..
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#387 hydratedleaf
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[QUOTE="hydratedleaf"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] This isn't a college class though now is it?..And who knows if he researched the subject or not..? To call him lazy and such is wholly unfounded..Xx_Hopeless_xX
Because his subsequent responses make it clear that he doesn't even understand what he's talking about, and doesn't understand the subjects which his copypasta abuses so flagtrantly.

So you call him lazy and so forth..that's the mature thing to do! And it's still impossible to definitively state he has done zero research on the subject..

I see nothing immature about calling lazy people lazy. Now, looking at the posts of someone who clearly knows nothing about evolution or thermodynamics and is quite obviously pulling his responses out of his ass and/or the Quran and even entertaining the idea that he may have researched the issue - that's immature.
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#388 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="hydratedleaf"]Because his subsequent responses make it clear that he doesn't even understand what he's talking about, and doesn't understand the subjects which his copypasta abuses so flagtrantly.hydratedleaf
So you call him lazy and so forth..that's the mature thing to do! And it's still impossible to definitively state he has done zero research on the subject..

I see nothing immature about calling lazy people lazy. Now, looking at the posts of someone who clearly knows nothing about evolution or thermodynamics and is quite obviously pulling his responses out of his ass and/or the Quran and even entertaining the idea that he may have researched the issue - that's immature.

So it's ok to mudsling...that's what adults do when they think someone hasn't researched the subject..He may be basing his responses on the Quran..who knows..as i have been stating..and you just implied that taking ideas from his religious book was the equivalent to "pulling things out of his ass"..

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#389 hydratedleaf
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[QUOTE="hydratedleaf"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] So you call him lazy and so forth..that's the mature thing to do! And it's still impossible to definitively state he has done zero research on the subject..Xx_Hopeless_xX

I see nothing immature about calling lazy people lazy. Now, looking at the posts of someone who clearly knows nothing about evolution or thermodynamics and is quite obviously pulling his responses out of his ass and/or the Quran and even entertaining the idea that he may have researched the issue - that's immature.

So it's ok to mudsling...that's what adults do when they think someone hasn't researched the subject..He may be basing his responses on the Quran..who knows..as i have been stating..and you just implied that taking ideas from his religious book was the equivalent to "pulling things out of his ass:..

No, I implied that one can do one but not the other, which is the exact opposite. Don't put words in my mouth.
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*Saw the word God, assumed at least 250 posts, pondered making a reply, realized three hours would be forever gone in my life, left thread*

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*Saw the word God, assumed at least 250 posts, pondered making a reply, realized three hours would be forever gone in my life, left thread*

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I can say with confidence that you are a truly enlightened person, unlike us. :P

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#392 battlefront23
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]

*Saw the word God, assumed at least 250 posts, pondered making a reply, realized three hours would be forever gone in my life, left thread*

I can say with confidence that you are a truly enlightened person, unlike us. :P

Haha I actually forgot to add the tidbit that I'm sick of getting my butt destroyed by 'enlightened' and far wiser users like yourself! :P
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#393 metroidprime55
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What is keeping this thread alive?

*realizes that I am keeping this thread alive*

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#394 hartsickdiscipl
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I took the time to read it. VERY good points are made here. Probably way too much for most people to want to dive into. I don't believe in the extrapolated version of evolution that's being pushed on us by mainstream science, although I do believe in adaptation to a certain point.. it's impossible to deny. There's nothing more unscientific than pointing at some close similarities in DNA between difference species, and then declaring that one must have evolved from the other. If you look at ALL DNA on this planet, you see major similarities between almost anything that's currently alive today, which IMO is nothing more than the result of us all existing in the same environment. I call it "shared parts" theory. Of course some species are going to be genetically and physically similar to each other when they share the same basic environment. That doesn't prove that humans evolved from apes.

What I find more plausible, and more inline with the OP's points.. is that the human race was genetically created by what we would consider aliens, and what ancient humans would consider gods. Take a look at yourself, and then look at every other species on this planet. Don't we seem a little bit out of place here? Why are we the only species on the planet that develops technology, destroys and modifies our environment on such a radical scale? Why do we have so little hair on our bodies compared to most land-based mammals? Why do we think about a creator? Do you think a wasp, a whale, or a toad thinks about it's creator?

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#395 GrandTheftDog
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Hurry! someone read this and give me a tl:dr. Please hurry.

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He is proving how god works. But he is not proving the actual fact of his existence. He is proving a claim which has no proof of it being truth.
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#396 Astrapsody
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I took the time to read it. VERY good points are made here. Probably way too much for most people to want to dive into. I don't believe in the extrapolated version of evolution that's being pushed on us by mainstream science, although I do believe in adaptation to a certain point.. it's impossible to deny. There's nothing more unscientific than pointing at some close similarities in DNA between difference species, and then declaring that one must have evolved from the other. If you look at ALL DNA on this planet, you see major similarities between almost anything that's currently alive today, which IMO is nothing more than the result of us all existing in the same environment. I call it "shared parts" theory. Of course some species are going to be genetically and physically similar to each other when they share the same basic environment. That doesn't prove that humans evolved from apes.

What I find more plausible, and more inline with the OP's points.. is that the human race was genetically created by what we would consider aliens, and what ancient humans would consider gods. Take a look at yourself, and then look at every other species on this planet. Don't we seem a little bit out of place here? Why are we the only species on the planet that develops technology, destroys and modifies our environment on such a radical scale? Why do we have so little hair on our bodies compared to most land-based mammals? Why do we think about a creator? Do you think a wasp, a whale, or a toad thinks about it's creator?

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"Mainstream science"

...

"nothing more unscientific than pointing at some close similarities in DNA"

and, then...

..."is that the human race was genetically created by what we would consider aliens".

We have intelligence. Such a higher capacity for it that, in fact, we're able to do things that other beings with less intelligence can't. It's amazing what the mind can do, huh? And there aren't just "some" close similarities. A large majority of our DNA is EXACTLY the same as the DNA found in apes and such.

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#397 hartsickdiscipl
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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I took the time to read it. VERY good points are made here. Probably way too much for most people to want to dive into. I don't believe in the extrapolated version of evolution that's being pushed on us by mainstream science, although I do believe in adaptation to a certain point.. it's impossible to deny. There's nothing more unscientific than pointing at some close similarities in DNA between difference species, and then declaring that one must have evolved from the other. If you look at ALL DNA on this planet, you see major similarities between almost anything that's currently alive today, which IMO is nothing more than the result of us all existing in the same environment. I call it "shared parts" theory. Of course some species are going to be genetically and physically similar to each other when they share the same basic environment. That doesn't prove that humans evolved from apes.

What I find more plausible, and more inline with the OP's points.. is that the human race was genetically created by what we would consider aliens, and what ancient humans would consider gods. Take a look at yourself, and then look at every other species on this planet. Don't we seem a little bit out of place here? Why are we the only species on the planet that develops technology, destroys and modifies our environment on such a radical scale? Why do we have so little hair on our bodies compared to most land-based mammals? Why do we think about a creator? Do you think a wasp, a whale, or a toad thinks about it's creator?

Astrapsody

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"Mainstream science"

...

"nothing more unscientific than pointing at some close similarities in DNA"

and, then...

..."is that the human race was genetically created by what we would consider aliens".

We have intelligence. Such a higher capacity for it that, in fact, we're able to do things that other beings with less intelligence can't. It's amazing what the mind can do, huh? And there aren't just "some" close similarities. A large majority of our DNA is EXACTLY the same as the DNA found in apes and such.

That DNA could just have easily been manipulated and put into the form that it is today. I find that just as likely as it developing or evolving on it's own.

Also, why are we the only ones with the level of intelligence needed to treat the world the way we do?

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#398 GabuEx
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I took the time to read it. VERY good points are made here. Probably way too much for most people to want to dive into. I don't believe in the extrapolated version of evolution that's being pushed on us by mainstream science, although I do believe in adaptation to a certain point.. it's impossible to deny. There's nothing more unscientific than pointing at some close similarities in DNA between difference species, and then declaring that one must have evolved from the other. If you look at ALL DNA on this planet, you see major similarities between almost anything that's currently alive today, which IMO is nothing more than the result of us all existing in the same environment. I call it "shared parts" theory. Of course some species are going to be genetically and physically similar to each other when they share the same basic environment. That doesn't prove that humans evolved from apes.

What I find more plausible, and more inline with the OP's points.. is that the human race was genetically created by what we would consider aliens, and what ancient humans would consider gods. Take a look at yourself, and then look at every other species on this planet. Don't we seem a little bit out of place here? Why are we the only species on the planet that develops technology, destroys and modifies our environment on such a radical scale? Why do we have so little hair on our bodies compared to most land-based mammals? Why do we think about a creator? Do you think a wasp, a whale, or a toad thinks about it's creator?

hartsickdiscipl

"VERY good points"? The OP is so riddled with scientific inaccuracies that it could not possibly make any point whatsoever.

I think people very easily confuse "good arguments" with "arguments with whose conclusions I agree". :P

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#399 GabuEx
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Also, why are we the only ones with the level of intelligence needed to treat the world the way we do?

hartsickdiscipl

Studies have shown a crucial difference between humans and other great apes is that human children are more apt to copy others with no thought regarding why they're doing so, whereas the offspring of other great apes are more apt to simply achieve their basic desires, such as the desire for food. This could very easily explain the discrepancy, as that would allow us to compound knowledge and technology across generations rather than starting from scratch again and again.

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#400 hartsickdiscipl
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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Also, why are we the only ones with the level of intelligence needed to treat the world the way we do?

GabuEx

Studies have shown a crucial difference between humans and other great apes is that human children are more apt to copy others with no thought regarding why they're doing so, whereas the offspring of other great apes are more apt to simply achieve their basic desires, such as the desire for food. This could very easily explain the discrepancy, as that would allow us to compound knowledge and technology across generations rather than starting from scratch again and again.

So there's a simple explanation for some of the differences in our behaviors.. but not a simple explanation as to why that difference exists. Also, there is much more to our creativity than simply copying others.