Abortion

[QUOTE="Overlord93"]

its been proven that children aren't even conscious until around the age of two. let alone the early stages of being in the womb. Its disgusting to think that some people think it is better to bring unwanted life into the world, who would most likely be neglected. than end something which is arguably no more 'life' than the unsuccessfully cells

alexside1

[QUOTE="Harkat95"]

[QUOTE="Fusionmix"]Makes me sick. If you don't want the damn baby, ladies, don't go whoring yourself out to your 'boyfriend' who will likely leave you as soon as someone else comes along. There are such things as condoms and the pill. I know, shocking.

Atmanix

An extremely small percentage of abortions are rape related. I think it's safe to assume he wasn't talking about them.

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="Overlord93"]

its been proven that children aren't even conscious until around the age of two. let alone the early stages of being in the womb. Its disgusting to think that some people think it is better to bring unwanted life into the world, who would most likely be neglected. than end something which is arguably no more 'life' than the unsuccessfully cells

Overlord93

[QUOTE="Atmanix"]

[QUOTE="Harkat95"] So I suppose rape victims are whoring themselves out?

HoolaHoopMan

An extremely small percentage of abortions are rape related. I think it's safe to assume he wasn't talking about them.

I wasn't agreeing with his comments, just pointing out that he probably wasn't including rape victims in his statement.

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="Atmanix"]

An extremely small percentage of abortions are rape related. I think it's safe to assume he wasn't talking about them.

Atmanix

I wasn't agreeing with his comments, just pointing out that he probably wasn't including rape victims in his statement.

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="Overlord93"] All you need do is look at poverty striken areas and ask yourself. If someone doesn't want to bring up a child in that situation. do we have any right to deny them that?Overlord93

NEW TOPIC: Is Abortion OK, if you get raped?

its been proven that children aren't even conscious until around the age of two. let alone the early stages of being in the womb. Its disgusting to think that some people think it is better to bring unwanted life into the world, who would most likely be neglected. than end something which is arguably no more 'life' than the unsuccessfully cells

Overlord93

I don't think that it's been proven, but rather it's a theory...maybe you have some proof?

Seeing as we're on the topic, I think it's only apt that I post the Sex Pistols'beautiful parableabout abortion as experienced Pauline (who lived in a tree).

As for me - up to the girl innit.

we can never know.Overlord93

NEW TOPIC: Is Abortion OK, if you get raped?

lasseeb

[QUOTE="Overlord93"]

its been proven that children aren't even conscious until around the age of two. let alone the early stages of being in the womb. Its disgusting to think that some people think it is better to bring unwanted life into the world, who would most likely be neglected. than end something which is arguably no more 'life' than the unsuccessfully cells

zmbi_gmr

I don't think that it's been proven, but rather it's a theory...maybe you have some proof?

its been proven that children aren't even conscious until around the age of two. let alone the early stages of being in the womb. Its disgusting to think that some people think it is better to bring unwanted life into the world, who would most likely be neglected. than end something which is arguably no more 'life' than the unsuccessfully cells

Overlord93

I think you may be mistaking lack of consciousness with egocentricity. The point is arguable regardless.

Seeing as we're on the topic, I think it's only apt that I post the Sex Pistols'beautiful parableabout abortion as experienced Pauline (who lived in a tree).

As for me - up to the girl innit.

poptart

[QUOTE="poptart"]

Seeing as we're on the topic, I think it's only apt that I post the Sex Pistols'beautiful parableabout abortion as experienced Pauline (who lived in a tree).

As for me - up to the girl innit.

T_P_O

Tis probably my favourite pistols track :)

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

I could maybe agree with that, but only if the man truly is willing to assume full custody and responsibility over it. Also he has to pay for her costs relating to the pregnancy.

foxhound_fox

Because the man doesn't need to carry the fetus for 9 months :| which is not only a painful ordeal.. But effects them in every way possible.. Men should not have a choice and for good reason.. They do not have to go through a extremely painful some time dangerous operation.. They are not forced with the discomforts of being pregnant.. The only thing that was provided by the male is something he can give every day.. His "effort" in the the process is close to nonexistent after this.. So no a man should not have a say in this matter what so ever..... Its 50% in genetics, not effort... Its easy as hell to get a woman pregnant.. Its hard as hell to go through that said pregnancy and raising the child.. The father has little to nothing to provide this directly for 9 months.. Something that is far more difficult than the actual conception..

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

I could maybe agree with that, but only if the man truly is willing to assume full custody and responsibility over it. Also he has to pay for her costs relating to the pregnancy.

sSubZerOo

Of course. He assumes all legal and financial responsibilities when agreeing to take full custody of the unborn child from the woman. I find it amazing how the men's feelings on the issue are never considered in this debate. Its only ever about "the woman" and "her body"... well, that "part" of "her body" is 50% him too.

Because the man doesn't need to carry the fetus for 9 months :| which is not only a painful ordeal.. But effects them in every way possible.. Men should not have a choice and for good reason.. They do not have to go through a extremely painful some time dangerous operation.. They are not forced with the discomforts of being pregnant.. The only thing that was provided by the male is something he can give every day.. His "effort" in the the process is close to nonexistent after this.. So no a man should not have a say in this matter what so ever..... Its 50% in genetics, not effort... Its easy as hell to get a woman pregnant.. Its hard as hell to go through that said pregnancy and raising the child.. The father has little to nothing to provide this directly for 9 months.. Something that is far more difficult than the actual conception..

On the opposite end of what you're talking about, should a man be forced to support a child he wants nothing to do with?

Don't like abortion? don't have one. Don't force everyone else not to have a choice.

[QUOTE="cernrade"]

What is truly right and wrong is just what we were told what was "bad" and what was "good" when we were still learning to walk. There is no right answer to this debate because it is something a normal human being will never understand but as mentioned before the government cannot afford to look after unwanted kids so it is legal. I will say this though you cannot measure life from if "it" can't think or breath yet since we would never consider a man in a comma as a thing or a dying man in surgeryas a mere unwanted thing , as I mentioned before I don't think any person can truly understand the complexity of human life so I will just say that if it is legal within your country then it is your right to decide.

Half-Way

as i mentioned earlier, it should still be legal in every country in the world. Simply because people have different perspectives (as you mentioned above) so everyone NEEDS to have the right to CHOOSE.

You say that everyone has the right of choice even f it is against the law? I understand your point but if people did this, where does it end? In certain countries you can smoke weed does that mean it is my CHOICE to smoke weed? in other countries the age of consent is fourteen does that mean that having sex with fourteen year old's is also a choice? Maybe I wanted to have six wives? All of these examples do not hurt anyone and could be considered private but I believe many people would stand against at least one of these things I have mentioned.

If you do it early then it's not any worse than stepping on a bug

Against abortion? Great, don't have one then. I always find it strange that some athiests are pro life, after complaining all their life about how Christians are forcing their beliefs on them, what do they end up doing? Forcing pro life beliefs on others. Personally, I hate abortion, but a human is different from an animal because it can think, and a fetus can not think, it doesn't even have a heartbeat in the first trimester. I'm all for making it illegal besides for extreme circumstances after the first trimester, but leave the first trimester abortions alone.

Also, whenever I argue this point, people would say "How would you feel if your mother aborted?" Honestly, I wouldn't care, because I wouldn't be alive! Other than that, when my mother was pregnant with me, she got incredibly sick and almost died. If I had to of give up my life so my mother and my brother born after me could live, so be it.

I hear and read a lot of stories about abortion clinic workers becoming pro-lifers after witnessing an abortion. But I have yet to hear a pro-lifer becoming a pro-choicer after witnessing an abortion.

greeneye59

Be responsible for your actions. don't kill your kid just because you forgot to have protection. Just thinking about abortions make me sick. how could anyone do that unless they have no heart.

Be responsible for your actions. don't kill your kid just because you forgot to have protection. Just thinking about abortions make me sick. how could anyone do that unless they have no heart.

GOGOGOGURT

Do what I do and wear a condom at all times - you never know when you may be cornered by a marauding gang of girls on heat.

If you are for it then you are a cold-hearted scum with no value for life, why do you get to decide if someone deserves to see the world or not, sure before the 4-5 weeks that person isnt alive, but that "thing" will be alive and you are ruining its life. What is the difference between ending a life and preventing it, they are equally as bad.

darkassassin911

Oh if only life were so simple...

As a Christian I am actually not against it. People enjoy having sex and in my opinion if they are both using contraceptive they are actively trying to not have a kid while at the same time show their love for one another. Also there are people in the world who are married, but don't want kids. Are we really supposed to tell them they need to have surgery just to do so?

Serraph105

its been proven that children aren't even conscious until around the age of two. let alone the early stages of being in the womb. Its disgusting to think that some people think it is better to bring unwanted life into the world, who would most likely be neglected. than end something which is arguably no more 'life' than the unsuccessfully cells

Overlord93

Abortion should be mandatory for girls under the age of 21, or not: at 18 and above if the girl is in a strong, healthy relationship.

There, I said it.

Against abortion? Great, don't have one then. I always find it strange that some athiests are pro life, after complaining all their life about how Christians are forcing their beliefs on them, what do they end up doing? Forcing pro life beliefs on others. Personally, I hate abortion, but a human is different from an animal because it can think, and a fetus can not think, it doesn't even have a heartbeat in the first trimester. I'm all for making it illegal besides for extreme circumstances after the first trimester, but leave the first trimester abortions alone.

Also, whenever I argue this point, people would say "How would you feel if your mother aborted?" Honestly, I wouldn't care, because I wouldn't be alive! Other than that, when my mother was pregnant with me, she got incredibly sick and almost died. If I had to of give up my life so my mother and my brother born after me could live, so be it.

Grodus5

I just do not understand how people can be prolife. Prolife sounds nice, but c'mon...it might as well be Pro-forcing-people-to-do-things-they-dont-want-to-do

Prochoice is exactly that...choice. It allows people to do what they wish, and figure out the moral dilemna for themselves (which is their problem, and no one else's).

Prolife is oppression, plain and simple, and is only appropriate in fascist states.

I don't know really. Both sides have pros and cons so I guess I'm on the fence.

I'm not against abortion at all.

I'm pro-choice to a certain point. I think that it is okay, until its heart starts beating; you can't kill something that isn't yet alive. Once it has a heartbeat I think it's too late to abort.

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]Also there are people in the world who are married, but don't want kids. Are we really supposed to tell them they need to have surgery just to do so?foxhound_fox

oh and I realize I'm really too late to get a response.

As long as it's done before sentience, then it's okay.

Ironically most conservatives are aginst abortion, but once like Geroge Carlin said "once you're born you're on your own. ir you're pre-born you're good ir you're pre-schooled you're screwed"

I'm pro-choice but not fully pro-choice, if you can even really call it that.

I think if the female who is pregnant has means of supporting the child and wasn't raped then she should have the kid. Why not bring a kid into this world if you are financially able and sex was done willingfully? Regardless of the state of the baby at the time of the abortion it's human life and should be treated as such. Just because it's not fully developed doesn't make it right to just right out kill it for no reason.

It shouldn't just be "Abortions should be illegal" or "Abortions should be legal" I think there should be a law with circumstances describing what is legal and what is not in terms of an abortion. Of course I'm pro-abortion if the female is not financially stable, has no means of supporting herself or the baby or was raped/underage. I just don't think we should destroy a human life based on irresponsibility when you can fully support it but are just to lazy to do so. Hate me for saying that but I'm a pretty open minded guy, I vote left and not right when it comes to politics but this is something I've always had trouble fully supporting.

I just don't think irresponsibility and lazyness should give anybody the right to destroy a human life. If you have the means to support a child and you willingfully engaged in sexual intercourse then you should be made to have the kid. What you do with it should be up to you, wither it's adopt or keep. I do believe in circumstances where abortion should be made available though.

I am pro abortion. I wont give a reason because not matter what the reason is anti abortionist declare them to incorrect, so pro abortion. I would say pro choice but we all know I'm really just saying pro abortion.

Most people don't even know what happens in an abortion...the more of them one has, the less likely one is able to get pregnant in the future.

foxhound_fox

I was under the impression it involved firecrackers and the ramrod from a model cannon. Anyway, what you're describing here seems like a win-win: No annoying kid, and less chance of future annoying kids.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

Most people don't even know what happens in an abortion...the more of them one has, the less likely one is able to get pregnant in the future.

Palantas

I was under the impression it involved firecrackers and the ramrod from a model cannon. Anyway, what you're describing here seems like a win-win: No annoying kid, and less chance of future annoying kids.

wait they use firecrackers!!! oh yeah a show and an abortion!! :P

[QUOTE="campzor"]im not against it.... if people aint ready then.. why should the kid and the parents suffer.heatsinkhole

What if it was forced sex, aka, rape?

I am strongly against it unless it:

1 The woman is a victim of being sexually assaulted

2 The woman's health will be in danger from this

and other such issues I just think its inhumane