Abortion is simply murder

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#201 foxhound_fox
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The only problem I have with that argument...is why can't the baby's desire to live be considered? Don't they have a say in what happens to their body?LJS9502_basic


I suggest the next time you find a woman who is opting for an abortion, insert a microphone and speaker into her and try to have a discussion with the fetus... I would bet you will not get a response. ;)

If they are not consciously aware of their life then how can their desire to live be existent?
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#202 -DSFARGEG-
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[QUOTE="iMuffins"]

[QUOTE="darklord888"][QUOTE="huladog123"]Really, it is. It isn't a woman's right to kill her unborn baby, because that baby has a life of its own, it's not like its life is still owned by the mom until it's born! If murdering is illegal, than why isn't abortion? Abortion is the same thing!LJS9502_basic



No it is not murder. Sometimes people need to get them for many reasons. If you think it's murder then sex without the intent of breeding is murder also seeing as you're killing all the sperm for no reason.

Fact. Abortion is NOT murder, a mother has the right to decide what happens with her body and whatever it contains.

The only problem I have with that argument...is why can't the baby's desire to live be considered? Don't they have a say in what happens to their body?

Fetus's don't really have desires. Also why place the "life" of an unborn unaware fetus before the life of the mother?
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#203 Video_Game_King
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I'm only against it when they just get rid of the fetus. If they sell it for stem cell research, I'm OK with that because it benefits society. Otherwise, you're just destroying the next potential Stephen Hawking/Hercules combo.
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#204 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]The only problem I have with that argument...is why can't the baby's desire to live be considered? Don't they have a say in what happens to their body?foxhound_fox


I suggest the next time you find a woman who is opting for an abortion, insert a microphone and speaker into her and try to have a discussion with the fetus... I would bet you will not get a response. ;)

If they are not consciously aware of their life then how can their desire to live be existent?

Rhetorical question....look it up.:roll: Nonetheless, the rights of the baby aren't considered at all which makes abortion a hypocritical ruling...as more than one life is affected.

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#205 JustPlainLucas
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]The only problem I have with that argument...is why can't the baby's desire to live be considered? Don't they have a say in what happens to their body?foxhound_fox


I suggest the next time you find a woman who is opting for an abortion, insert a microphone and speaker into her and try to have a discussion with the fetus... I would bet you will not get a response. ;)

If they are not consciously aware of their life then how can their desire to live be existent?

Because if it didn't want to live... the cells would have stopped dividing? Dammit... hwere we go in another circle again.

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#206 A-HAB
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I don't understand why this is even an issue. Anyone that doesn't have **** for brains can understand thats its wrong.
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#207 LJS9502_basic
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I'm sure many of you have studied this issue so I want to leave you two things....

One....Science can't come to a consensus 100% that life does NOT begin at conception. Many scientists, in fact, state it does.

Two....Less than 1% of abortions occur due to rape and incest.

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#208 JustPlainLucas
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[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"][QUOTE="ShuLordLiuPei"][QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]

[QUOTE="dissonantblack"]it's not murder if it isn't alive yet. ShuLordLiuPei

Is a cell not alive? Is a zygote not growing? Is the active of growth not considered living? Sorry, it is murder, because it is alive.

You are incorrect. Yes, it may be living,but that doesn't make terminating it murder. Murder is the unlawful killing of one human by another. Abortion, as you probably know, is not unlawful. Not only that, but it is debatable whether or not a fetus is considered a human being yet. Either way, abortion is not murder.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. In fact, I'm actually growing tired of this debate, because I feel dizzy from the number of times I've gone around in circles.

How can you disagree with the legal definition? You may think its morally wrong, but it is in no way murder.

Because I do. :| I don't agree with everything the "law" says. I don't agree with certain stretches of my highways being 55. If I feel abortion should be included in the definition of murder, well that's how I feel about, it, so again, we agree to disagree. Now excuse me, I need to find a bucket to throw up again as I'm going around in another circle.

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#209 Pit_of_Icarus
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I dislike abortion but im not a protester. It doesn'thavean effect onme anyway at all. I don't actually know why I'm posting. I voted no though :) also instead of abortion couldn't the unprepared parents or whatever just give the baby to the adoption agency instead of killing it?
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#210 ShuLordLiuPei
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[QUOTE="ShuLordLiuPei"][QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]

[QUOTE="dissonantblack"]it's not murder if it isn't alive yet. LJS9502_basic

Is a cell not alive? Is a zygote not growing? Is the active of growth not considered living? Sorry, it is murder, because it is alive.

You are incorrect. Yes, it may be living,but that doesn't make terminating it murder. Murder is the unlawful killing of one human by another. Abortion, as you probably know, is not unlawful. Not only that, but it is debatable whether or not a fetus is considered a human being yet. Either way, abortion is not murder.

I would post a link stating that the scientific community states human life begins at fertilization but it has a picture and I'd probably get modded.

PM me, if you get a chance.

By the way, I was not stating my views on whether or not a fetus is human being, nor was I stating whether or not I think abrotion is wrong. I was simply stating that abortion is not murder.

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#211 JustPlainLucas
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I don't understand why this is even an issue. Anyone that doesn't have **** for brains can understand thats its wrong.A-HAB

Did you even read at all why people are debating this?

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#212 firebreathing
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i love it how people are all "Abortion is murder!!!!" yet how many insects/plants and other animals do you kill??
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#213 ShuLordLiuPei
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[QUOTE="ShuLordLiuPei"][QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"][QUOTE="ShuLordLiuPei"][QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]

[QUOTE="dissonantblack"]it's not murder if it isn't alive yet. JustPlainLucas

Is a cell not alive? Is a zygote not growing? Is the active of growth not considered living? Sorry, it is murder, because it is alive.

You are incorrect. Yes, it may be living,but that doesn't make terminating it murder. Murder is the unlawful killing of one human by another. Abortion, as you probably know, is not unlawful. Not only that, but it is debatable whether or not a fetus is considered a human being yet. Either way, abortion is not murder.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. In fact, I'm actually growing tired of this debate, because I feel dizzy from the number of times I've gone around in circles.

How can you disagree with the legal definition? You may think its morally wrong, but it is in no way murder.

Because I do. :| I don't agree with everything the "law" says. I don't agree with certain stretches of my highways being 55. If I feel abortion should be included in the definition of murder, well that's how I feel about, it, so again, we agree to disagree. Now excuse me, I need to find a bucket to throw up again as I'm going around in another circle.

Even if you think it should be murder, that doesn't make it murder. I could say that pulling weeds out of my front lawn should be considered murder, but that doesn't make it murder, now does it? Saying that abortion is murder is spreading misinformation.
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#214 JustPlainLucas
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Even if you think it should be murder, that doesn't make it murder. I could say that pulling weeds out of my front lawn should be considered murder, but that doesn't make it murder, now does it? Saying that abortion is murder is spreading misinformation.ShuLordLiuPei

Perhaps I came off too strong in my earlier posts. We will say that according to the law, abortion is not murder, but according to what I believe, it is, and leave it at that.

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#216 amob
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i love it how people are all "Abortion is murder!!!!" yet how many insects/plants and other animals do you kill?? firebreathing

murder is killing a person, a pretty serious crime....while eating isn't.

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#217 Draconos137
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a few things

A) Abortion simply terminates a bundle of cells that is undergoing mitosis, no heartbeat has begun

B) It's a woman's right. A person can do to there body what they please

C) It may sound harsh, but from a scientific standpoint, we have an overpopulation problem, if all children were born, there would be a species dieout.

D) Some of these children that would be born, would be uncarred for and unloved

That's all I've got to say about that(Sorry for the Gump reference)

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#218 Silver_Dragon17
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a few things

A) Abortion simply terminates a bundle of cells that is undergoing mitosis, no heartbeat has begun

B) It's a woman's right. A person can do to there body what they please

C) It may sound harsh, but from a scientific standpoint, we have an overpopulation problem, if all children were born, there would be a species dieout.

D) Some of these children that would be born, would be uncarred for and unloved

That's all I've got to say about that(Sorry for the Gump reference)

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A) They're growing and developing into a human.

B) Not if it has an affect on another person, like the unborn baby.

C) Who the **** cares?! People argue that old people and diseased people should be killed off with the same argument!

D) So they should die instead? Something's wrong here. . . . . .

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#219 Redgarl
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Really, it is. It isn't a woman's right to kill her unborn baby, because that baby has a life of its own, it's not like its life is still owned by the mom until it's born! If murdering is illegal, than why isn't abortion? Abortion is the same thing!huladog123

Would you stop eating beef if you are aware you actually need to kill the animal for it's meat?

We should be less sensitive with abortion, the earth surpopulation is an enormous problem that could annhilate us!

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#220 ShuLordLiuPei
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[QUOTE="ShuLordLiuPei"] Even if you think it should be murder, that doesn't make it murder. I could say that pulling weeds out of my front lawn should be considered murder, but that doesn't make it murder, now does it? Saying that abortion is murder is spreading misinformation.JustPlainLucas

Perhaps I came off too strong in my earlier posts. We will say that according to the law, abortion is not murder, but according to what I believe, it is, and leave it at that.

You cannot believe something to be murder. It's a legal term. :|
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#221 LJS9502_basic
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a few things

A) Abortion simply terminates a bundle of cells that is undergoing mitosis, no heartbeat has begun

B) It's a woman's right. A person can do to there body what they please

C) It may sound harsh, but from a scientific standpoint, we have an overpopulation problem, if all children were born, there would be a species dieout.

D) Some of these children that would be born, would be uncarred for and unloved

That's all I've got to say about that(Sorry for the Gump reference)

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#222 DarkKar
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]The only problem I have with that argument...is why can't the baby's desire to live be considered? Don't they have a say in what happens to their body?JustPlainLucas



I suggest the next time you find a woman who is opting for an abortion, insert a microphone and speaker into her and try to have a discussion with the fetus... I would bet you will not get a response. ;)

If they are not consciously aware of their life then how can their desire to live be existent?

Because if it didn't want to live... the cells would have stopped dividing? Dammit... hwere we go in another circle again.

That's what you get for following the 'ask tom tom' gps. I knew that thing was garbage the moment I heard the psychadelic keyboard in their mischevious little commercials.

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#223 dicpunch
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[QUOTE="dicpunch"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="dicpunch"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]That is your opinion. Can you give me any reason why yours is better?CptJSparrow

I don't know whyyou thought that but you are certainly entitled to yours.

My point is, this is a topic whose stance depends on a person's morality...that's why I'm for the option. Someone like you will not have an abortion, I assume. Somebody else may, and there's no one to say who's in the wrong.

I never implied your opinion was invalid, quite the opposite.

I didn't say you did, I only asked why yours would be better. This was not intended to make it appear as if you were calling yours better and I apologize if it did.

draw my opinion from protections that we offer to all individuals not really the moral issue. Morally I find it to be terrible as well but that's not my point. First off I think the issue probably should've been sent back to the state level to be decided at the state level. I also don't believe that this is just about life or about when it begins. Rights are given to people after they've died and with the Laci and Conner's law there are protections against violence to unborn children. It is about the interest and that is what is protected. It seems to me that if rights are extended to unborn children then they are deserving of other very basic rights. I also think it's a medical issue as well. If doctors are able to openthe mother up and fix the child andthen allow thechild to continue to develop they are going against theHippocratic oath.

I also think we could applysome reasons why abortions should be available, such as the baby doesn't feel anything, doesn't know what's happening, etc could be used for infants, people who arein comas, the elderly, etc.

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#224 suicidalpoptrt
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In between.There's some fact that say it's not murder and there's some that say it is.It's all how you look at it.
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#225 Atrus
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People who consider abortion murder have a sordid view that believes all human cells are analogous with a human individual. The vast majority of abortions terminate the fetus when it has nowhere near obtained the ability to survive on it's own given that up till the 21st week, organs are still half formed. There is also no brain activity for which determines the state of a humans individuality (because that occurs far later), meaning that it is a biological doll waiting to be kick started much later into the developmental cycle.

Additionally, you would think that "if life begins at conception" people would do something about the 70%+ of zygotes which naturally abort. In general zygotes aren't even considered human, we don't hold funerals for them, they aren't issued birth certificates, and there are no laws granting them human status. If every zygote was a soul then God should be the worlds most prevelant abortionist (not that God actually cares about the status of humanity before it kills something)

Furthermore, given that the developing world accounts for 78% of all abortions worldwide, and the death toll for children under 5 is 13 million annually. The anti-abortionists are saving squat but their own ego. Even with abortion we will expect 20 million HIV/AIDS orphans by 2010, we can barely deal with just the 210 million orphans worldwide currently, much less the 25 million displaced refugees.

Are these people telling me that although incapable of keeping the current population alive, we can somehow deal with it when it's 2-4 times bigger? Unless you solve these problems beforehand all you're doing is tossing more meat to the meatgrinder. However, I don't expect people to fully understand the gravity of their myopic anti-abortion support because anti-abortionism is mainly a Western-centric, Human-centric, egotistical movement.

http://www.usaid.gov/our_work/global_health/aids/Publications/docs/childrenbrink.pdf

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#226 DejaVu72
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I have a question about abortion. I'm not trying to make either side look stupid. There are charecteristics that humans have that define of as "living". At what point do we have all these charecteristics? I honestly don't know...
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#227 DejaVu72
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I have a question about abortion. I'm not trying to make either side look stupid. There are charecteristics that humans have that define of as "living". At what point do we have all these charecteristics? I honestly don't know...DejaVu72

Sorry to bump, but I was hoping somebody could help me?

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#228 JustPlainLucas
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[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]

[QUOTE="ShuLordLiuPei"] Even if you think it should be murder, that doesn't make it murder. I could say that pulling weeds out of my front lawn should be considered murder, but that doesn't make it murder, now does it? Saying that abortion is murder is spreading misinformation.ShuLordLiuPei

Perhaps I came off too strong in my earlier posts. We will say that according to the law, abortion is not murder, but according to what I believe, it is, and leave it at that.

You cannot believe something to be murder. It's a legal term. :|

Didn't I just explain this? I don't agree with the legal term if it doesn't include abortion as well. I'm sorry you just accept everything that is defined for you, but I don't feel that the "law" is always right. Now this is it. This is the last damn circle I'm going in.

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#230 CptJSparrow
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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]

I didn't say you did, I only asked why yours would be better. This was not intended to make it appear as if you were calling yours better and I apologize if it did.dicpunch

draw my opinion from protections that we offer to all individuals not really the moral issue. Morally I find it to be terrible as well but that's not my point. First off I think the issue probably should've been sent back to the state level to be decided at the state level. I also don't believe that this is just about life or about when it begins. Rights are given to people after they've died and with the Laci and Conner's law there are protections against violence to unborn children. It is about the interest and that is what is protected. It seems to me that if rights are extended to unborn children then they are deserving of other very basic rights. I also think it's a medical issue as well. If doctors are able to openthe mother up and fix the child andthen allow thechild to continue to develop they are going against theHippocratic oath.

I also think we could applysome reasons why abortions should be available, such as the baby doesn't feel anything, doesn't know what's happening, etc could be used for infants, people who arein comas, the elderly, etc.

That is once again rooted in personal morality. I agree that the states should decide (as they already do) however on your points of legality, that is once again morality, only this time it's at the government consensus level. The Laci and Conner law applies when someone doesn't take the legal steps necessary to have an abortion and then it would be murder. Apparently the federal government takes the "it's her body" stance, as this is from Chapter 90A of the Laci and Conner's law:

`(c) Nothing in this section shall be construed to permit the prosecution-- `(1) of any person for conduct relating to an abortion for which the consent of the pregnant woman, or a person authorized by law to act on her behalf, has been obtained or for which such consent is implied by law; `(2) of any person for any medical treatment of the pregnant woman or her unborn child; or `(3) of any woman with respect to her unborn child.

The Hippocratic oath is a traditional oath...unless I'm mistaken it isn't required to become a doctor and certainly doesn't supersede the federal ruling. Attempting to give reasons why abortions should be legal would once again bring us into the morality argument, and I still haven't been able to reach an agreement with pro-lifes on this...in the end I don't think either side will be able to come to an agreement and will thus have to use the legal system to advance their agenda, which will obviously not make everyone happy. You are correct that the same reasoning can be applied to infants and comas, however I am not advocating the killing of them 'because they can't feel it.' I do not believe that the embryo is as significant as them, but I am sure you will disagree which is why I will once again encourage those who don't like abortion to not have abortions.
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#231 black_cat19
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I voted yes, and will say no more, I don't feel like reading through the hole thread either, so...

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#232 OfficialJab
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I don't think the little blob will mind, its barely a thing by then. Besides, in most cases of abortion (i believe) it is by people who can't afford to, or are not mature enough to raise a child, and it's saving the potential child alot of grief. Think if half of today's suffering orphans never had to be here and be in such a situation. Granted, the poor and underage people shouldn't be conceiving but if they do abortion should be there to prevent what would happen to the child. In my opinion.

I have a question about abortion. I'm not trying to make either side look stupid. There are charecteristics that humans have that define of as "living". At what point do we have all these charecteristics? I honestly don't know...DejaVu72
And it's not defined the same by everone, I don't think those things are fully concious by that point and so I don't feel bad about that happening. The week-old or whatever fetuses don't feel happy or sad because all they know is the inside of their little cocoon. They haven't experienced anything so it's moot, they won't know either way.

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#233 DarkKar
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[QUOTE="ShuLordLiuPei"][QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]

[QUOTE="ShuLordLiuPei"] Even if you think it should be murder, that doesn't make it murder. I could say that pulling weeds out of my front lawn should be considered murder, but that doesn't make it murder, now does it? Saying that abortion is murder is spreading misinformation.JustPlainLucas

Perhaps I came off too strong in my earlier posts. We will say that according to the law, abortion is not murder, but according to what I believe, it is, and leave it at that.

You cannot believe something to be murder. It's a legal term. :|

Didn't I just explain this? I don't agree with the legal term if it doesn't include abortion as well. I'm sorry you just accept everything that is defined for you, but I don't feel that the "law" is always right. Now this is it. This is the last damn circle I'm going in.

one more? :( duck, duck, duck, duck, duck, duck, duck, duck, duck... .. ... ..goose! :D

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#234 needled24-7
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If abortion is illegal, then I suppose using anti-bacterial soap should be also, no?
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#235 Franklinstein
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Since I haven't seen anyone argueing for the woman's right yet, I will do it... *prepares for a very unfavorable reputation in this thread*.

Thiswhole arguement get's a lot of attention from the church, who believes that life begins at conception, I do not agree with this, because quite simply the sperm doesn't meet the egg until a day or two afterwards. It's just that simple.How could life begin when the spermhasn't even met the egg yet?I find this arguement completely ridiculous. The church also believes that every form of birth control is wrong. They have recently begun to reconsider this stance, seeing as how people are going to have sex whether or not it is protected or not. Un-wanted orphans live verydepressing lives.

Abortion is illegal after 20 weeks. There are a few times when abortion is just the most humane choice.

Certainly no one should think that a baby should be born that will only live a very limited, short, and painful life. Why put a human through that much pain? Not to mention the emotional damage that the parents would go through.

What if it is a matter of life or death for the mother? The mother is gauranteed to continue living if they choose to save the babies life. This is just a small arguement.

I have to go, I'll brb.

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#236 Chunkymonkey333
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Abortion is only murder, when you look at it in a certain way. I personally do not support abortion, but technically in the first 3 months it is not a living thing. There will never be laws making acceptions to abortion, because anyone can say they were raped. The planet has not blown up from having abortions yet, and in my opinion there are bigger issues that need to be dealt with before we turn our complete attention to abortion. *Oh look theres a man dieing out on the corner, but he doesn't have insurance, so hes screwed, but lets have this whore come in and get something taken out of her, that she didn't want in the first place* So, let people do what they want... they are the ones who have to deal with the fact that they decided to snuff out what could have been a happy child, and a bright human being. *ONCE AGAIN I do not support abortion!*
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#237 L8erSquare
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Abortion is murder but at the same time its not
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#238 ReverseCycology
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I believe that children are our future
Teach them well and let them lead the way
Show them all the beauty they possess inside
Give them a sense of pride to make it easier
Let the children's laughter remind us how we used to be

Everybody searching for a hero
People need someone to look up to
I never found anyone to fulfill my needs
A lonely place to be
So I learned to depend on me

I decided long ago
Never to walk in anyone's shadows
If I fail, if I succeed
At least I will live as I believe
No matter what they take from me
They can't take away my dignity

Chorus:
Because the greatest love of all
Is happening to me
I found the greatest love of all
Inside of me
The greatest love of all
Is easy to achieve
Learning to love yourself
It is the greatest love of all

I believe the children are our future
Teach them well and let them lead the way
Show them all the beauty they possess inside
Give them a sense of pride to make it easier
Let the children's laughter remind us how we used to be

And I decided long ago
Never to walk in anyone's shadows
If I fail, if I succeed
At least I will live as I believe
No matter what they take from me
They can't take away my dignity

Chorus:
Because the greatest love of all
Is happening to me
I found the greatest love of all
Inside of me
The greatest love of all
Is easy to achieve
Learning to love yourself
It is the greatest love of all

And if by chance, that special place
That you've been dreaming of
Leads you to a lonely place
Find your strength in love

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#239 serbsta69
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Im definetly against it, its murder, nothing to it.
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#240 reservoir_doggy
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I am against it. It shouldn't be the moms choice if it survives. Im not against using protection or anything like that because it actually hasn't started developing yet, but as soon as it starts developing then I consider that murder.
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#241 TM1
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I don't think it's murder at all, that spider you smashed with your shoe has a heartbeat yet you dont think of it as murder, yes it's not the same as a human being but if you wanna go that route then this counts just as much. Should be the mothers/families choice.
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#242 firebird23
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Aborting a cell with developing membranes isn't murder. And I'm really sick of this whole "child birth is a miracle" crap. It's a chemical reaction, nothing more. It's the same thing as me eating food and a turd coming out of my ass a day later.
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#243 zakkro
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So is war, yet people still practice it.
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#244 SunofVich
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If a women wants an abortion I think she should be able to get one. US is a free country, right? no? oh... but still.

Its inhabiting her body if she does'nt want it in there she should be able to get rid of it.

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#245 Taalon
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What if a thirteen year old girl is raped and becomes pregnant? I'd call for abortion.
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#246 Bourbons3
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It should be legal. What would you rather have? Having the baby aborted after a couple of weeks, or giving birth to it and dumping it in a river? Because that happens.
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#247 JJ4545
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How can you say abortion is murder? I suppose getting rid of an unborn foetus which cannot think or feelat all is murder? Or would you rather force a mother to keep a child knowing it would ruin the rest of her life with caring for it, and ruin its life as it would have been unwanted and therefore uncared for. The father would be forced to play child support. It would be a complete nightmare. Can you honestly say that if you had a child at the age of 20 just as you were starting your life you would keep it? Abortion is most definitely not murder. Anyone who claims so is a fool.

Edit: As Bourbon said, if you make it illegal, people will get it done in alleys or kill their children.

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#248 RogerC44
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My mom almost had an abortion with my brother, but she thought things through and now he has a 4 year scholarship to the Naval Acadamy:D

whenever someone gets an abortion, not only do they kill their unborn child, but they also destroy the potential that child has of having an impact on this world

-OpaK-

That's so true.

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#249 zakkro
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[QUOTE="-OpaK-"]

My mom almost had an abortion with my brother, but she thought things through and now he has a 4 year scholarship to the Naval Acadamy:D

whenever someone gets an abortion, not only do they kill their unborn child, but they also destroy the potential that child has of having an impact on this world

RogerC44

That's so true.

Yeah, they could become the next Hitler or Stalin
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#250 LJS9502_basic
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How can you say abortion is murder? I suppose getting rid of an unborn foetus which cannot think or feelat all is murder? Or would you rather force a mother to keep a child knowing it would ruin the rest of her life with caring for it, and ruin its life as it would have been unwanted and therefore uncared for. The father would be forced to play child support. It would be a complete nightmare. Can you honestly say that if you had a child at the age of 20 just as you were starting your life you would keep it? Abortion is most definitely not murder. Anyone who claims so is a fool.JJ4545

Fetus is from the Latin word meaning "offspring" or "young one"....the heart beats at 21 days and brainwaves are present at 43 days.

If you can't care for your child....put it up for adoption....why must the baby be killed as a means of birth control?