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#601 Palantas
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Answer this:

You accused me of "hearing voices" because I said "several people" were laughing at you, while you claimed there were only two. If I can find more than two people openly criticizing you, will you admit this statement above was incorrect, and quit the argument? I am making a bet with you. The bet is that I can find more than two people in this thread laughing at you. The wager is that the loser will admit he f*cked up and quit the argument. Do you accept, or would you like to alter the wager?

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#602 Palantas
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Answer this:

Describe your experience in ground combat, specifically in working with US forces.

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#603 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]A decision making process can be lousy like that one was.

Palantas

Okay, so you admit there was a decision-making process. Ergo, the fire was not indiscriminate. You misspoke.

And we already established that the military lied on their report.

kuraimen

Prove it.

So you keep calling me a liar but trust a lying source so yeah you're not one to talk about lying...kuraimen

So which is it? Did you lie about seeing the video, or are you lying about what you saw?

If a decision making process to act is not carefully done then it is indiscriminate. Should I lecture you on your own language now? The report says one thing about the children sent to a hospital but the video shows otherwise.
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#604 Palantas
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I don't trust it because they lied on it. This isn't exactly rocket science buddy. maybe you should get some sleep because it seems you're faltering.kuraimen

Oh my God, stupid f*ck can you not read? Prove it.

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#605 kuraimen
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I don't have an agenda. And I'm not dishonest with myself.LJS9502_basic
Lol you're such a dumbass it's impossible not to have an agenda. It's part of being human. You clearly are such a hypocrite you can't even realise that.
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#606 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]I don't trust it because they lied on it. This isn't exactly rocket science buddy. maybe you should get some sleep because it seems you're faltering.Palantas

Oh my God, stupid f*ck can you not read? Prove it.

Look above and chill out dude...
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#607 Palantas
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If a decision making process to act is not carefully done then it is indiscriminate. Should I lecture you on your own language now?kuraimen

Well you wouldnt' want to be arguing semantics, would you c^nt? "Indiscriminate" indicates random or unselective behavior. This does not in any way describe the pilot's actions. They:

  1. Identified a point of interest based on certain criteria.
  2. Observed it.
  3. Continued observing it for some time.
  4. Made a decision to fire.

That is the opposite of random or unselective behavior. That is deliberate behavior. See, this is arguing semantics, not the 100 other times you've accused me of it, when we were actually arguing about reasoning or evidence.

The report says one thing about the children sent to a hospital but the video shows otherwise.kuraimen

No it doesn't.

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#608 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I don't have an agenda. And I'm not dishonest with myself.kuraimen
Lol you're such a dumbass it's impossible not to have an agenda. It's part of being human. You clearly are such a hypocrite you can't even realise that.

Ah I get it. Because you don't employ critical thinking then you cannot understand that others can do so. But I did ask for your evidence that I have an agenda etc and you seem to have dodged that aspect of my post.
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#609 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"] If a decision making process to act is not carefully done then it is indiscriminate. Should I lecture you on your own language now? The report says one thing about the children sent to a hospital but the video shows otherwise.

Indiscriminate doesn't mean what you think it means....
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#610 Palantas
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[Indiscriminate doesn't mean what you think it means....LJS9502_basic

This little sh!t's English has improved since he's been here, but he doesn't have a handle on the big words yet I don't think.

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#611 MetalGear_Ninty
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[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"][QUOTE="Socialist696"]these drone killings are no more better than the gunmans killings because Death is death, no matter what the justificiation.Socialist696
If our country is cracking a few eggs, it's because we're trying to make an omelet(yes I know the history behind the expression). Killing those in the crossfire will always be different than targeting the defenseless. You come off as some kind of militant peacenik- a zealot who refuses to differentiate between collateral damage and murder. As such I see no point in in staying on this thread any further.

I don't really care what I come off as....my statement stands and you haven't provided one solid point as to why killing those in the crossfire is justified more than killing those out of chance. Are you saying killing is OK even if those killed weren't intended to be killed? Thats not cool, and the US is responsible for more innocent deaths than that one gunman in CT so why should that Lanza kid be held as a evil person when the US adds more to the death toll than he? Because "its ok" when a nation does it under agenda? Its "ok" if one country does it for the greater good? Collateral damage isn't an excuse for murder. Are you going to say 9/11 was "collateral damage" next? Because, right and wrong is a matter of opinion. America's soldiers were childrens heroes, just as the Third Reichs and Japans soldiers were their childrens heroes. So that would mean 9/11 casualties, and all who died that day, are mere collateral damage and nothing more right, therefore their deaths are OK? What makes 9/11 anymore than a drone strike if we looked at it with that logic? None. None at all, with only different means to an end. So, is death ok either way? I don't think so. I think right and wrong, is a matter of opinion and KILLING children is wrong no matter which way you sugarcoat it. Because if we tally up all the lives America has claimed, it would come out to more than this Lanza kid could rack up.

You are an incredibly naive and misguided individual. You are just not in touch with reality. Just another blind, moral absolutist utopian. Open your eyes and begin looking at the world, instead of sticking to your blind, misguided ideologies
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#612 Palantas
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You going to respond to this:

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]I imagine in many of those they also murder civilians...I

Right, because as long as you imagine something, it must be true! It's fun to pretend... :|

The vast majority of them are routine patrols with no interesting activity. You are mistaken.

Answer this:

Describe your experience in ground combat, specifically in working with US forces.

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#613 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I don't have an agenda. And I'm not dishonest with myself.LJS9502_basic
Lol you're such a dumbass it's impossible not to have an agenda. It's part of being human. You clearly are such a hypocrite you can't even realise that.

Ah I get it. Because you don't employ critical thinking then you cannot understand that others can do so. But I did ask for your evidence that I have an agenda etc and you seem to have dodged that aspect of my post.

You're clearly pro US and pro military. That's your agenda, don't be such a hypocrite kid.
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#614 LJS9502_basic
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Kuraimen......you have about five different posts that I've asked for proof.....any chance you will oblige me? Or is shouting your opinion and ad hominem and straw man the only thing you have?
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#615 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][Indiscriminate doesn't mean what you think it means....Palantas

This little sh!t's English has improved since he's been here, but he doesn't have a handle on the big words yet I don't think.

Lol didn't you mention at the start of this thread that you left GS because insults were allowed now? Well I see you're very confortable insulting now. More of your inherent contradictions and you ask me why I think you're dishonest lol
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#616 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Lol you're such a dumbass it's impossible not to have an agenda. It's part of being human. You clearly are such a hypocrite you can't even realise that.

Ah I get it. Because you don't employ critical thinking then you cannot understand that others can do so. But I did ask for your evidence that I have an agenda etc and you seem to have dodged that aspect of my post.

You're clearly pro US and pro military. That's your agenda, don't be such a hypocrite kid.

Kid?:lol: What a weak ass insult even for you. I have never said everything the US did was right. Hell I was against the Iraq engagement. As for the military.....I think I know it just a bit better than you do so I don't fall for your blatant lies and half truths. But of course we can compare experience with the US military. I served in the Army for four years. What can you offer?
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#617 kuraimen
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Kuraimen......you have about five different posts that I've asked for proof.....any chance you will oblige me? Or is shouting your opinion and ad hominem and straw man the only thing you have?LJS9502_basic
You're too dumb to realise that your own behavior is the proof? really?
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#618 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Kuraimen......you have about five different posts that I've asked for proof.....any chance you will oblige me? Or is shouting your opinion and ad hominem and straw man the only thing you have?kuraimen
You're too dumb to realise that your own behavior is the proof? really?

:lol: Kuraimen I know it's too early for the OTcars....but I'm putting you up for worst debater.
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#619 kuraimen
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"Indiscriminate" indicates random or unselective behavior.Palantas
Actually it means http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/indiscriminate a : not marked by careful distinction : deficient in discrimination and discernment So a decision making process can be deficient like this was...
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#620 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Kuraimen......you have about five different posts that I've asked for proof.....any chance you will oblige me? Or is shouting your opinion and ad hominem and straw man the only thing you have?LJS9502_basic
You're too dumb to realise that your own behavior is the proof? really?

:lol: Kuraimen I know it's too early for the OTcars....but I'm putting you up for worst debater.

Well you're the current winner aren't you? lol
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#621 kuraimen
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Kid?LJS9502_basic
Well I get the feeling I'm talking to a kid when I'm talking to you so...
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#622 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] You're too dumb to realise that your own behavior is the proof? really?

:lol: Kuraimen I know it's too early for the OTcars....but I'm putting you up for worst debater.

Well you're the current winner aren't you? lol

Am I? Then I must say proudly since it means I hit a nerve with the less intelligent.....
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#623 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Kid?kuraimen
Well I get the feeling I'm talking to a kid when I'm talking to you so...

If I'm a kid based on our discussions then you're in your mom's womb.
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#624 Palantas
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Lol didn't you mention at the start of this thread that you left GS because insults were allowed now? Well I see you're very confortable insulting now. More of your inherent contradictions and you ask e why I think you're dishonest lol

kuraimen

Describe my decision-making process in my mind that I used to retire from OT for a while.

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#625 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="Palantas"]"Indiscriminate" indicates random or unselective behavior.kuraimen
Actually it means http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/indiscriminate a : not marked by careful distinction : deficient in discrimination and discernment So a decision making process can be deficient like this was...

Hint...read the words careful distinction.
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#626 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] :lol: Kuraimen I know it's too early for the OTcars....but I'm putting you up for worst debater.

Well you're the current winner aren't you? lol

Am I? Then I must say proudly since it means I hit a nerve with the less intelligent.....

LMAO you're truly a piece of work... in the bad sense of course.
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#627 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Well you're the current winner aren't you? lol

Am I? Then I must say proudly since it means I hit a nerve with the less intelligent.....

LMAO you're truly a piece of work... in the bad sense of course.

Considering before some kids got bent out of shape I won best three times in a row....I can't say I care what some butt hurt individuals think.
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#628 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Palantas"]"Indiscriminate" indicates random or unselective behavior.LJS9502_basic
Actually it means http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/indiscriminate a : not marked by careful distinction : deficient in discrimination and discernment So a decision making process can be deficient like this was...

Hint...read the words careful distinction.

Yep the distinction they did wasn't so careful considering they killed and bombed civilians.
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Am I? Then I must say proudly since it means I hit a nerve with the less intelligent.....LJS9502_basic
LMAO you're truly a piece of work... in the bad sense of course.

Considering before some kids got bent out of shape I won best three times in a row....I can't say I care what some butt hurt individuals think.

So when you win the process is great but when you lose eveyone is butthurt? lol and you claim you're not biased. Yours is a bad case of cognitive dissonance kid.

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#630 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Actually it means http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/indiscriminate a : not marked by careful distinction : deficient in discrimination and discernment So a decision making process can be deficient like this was...

Hint...read the words careful distinction.

Yep the distinction they did wasn't so careful considering they killed and bombed civilians.

Weren't weapons found? According to the Geneva Convention if a civilian is armed....there are no longer a civilian.
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#631 Palantas
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You're clearly pro US and pro military. That's your agenda, don't be such a hypocrite kid.kuraimen

Lol, he's not. When I first came here, we had an argument about the Iraq war. He's not necessarily pro-US. You're just so vehemently anti-US that anyone who likes anything about the US is pro-US to you.

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#632 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]You're clearly pro US and pro military. That's your agenda, don't be such a hypocrite kid.Palantas

Lol, he's not. When I first came here, we had an argument about the Iraq war. He's not necessarily pro-US. You're just so vehemently anti-US that anyone who likes anything about the US is pro-US to you.

Well I've never seen him slam the US. Sure you will defend your pal though. I have made pro US comments too so I guess that makes me unbiased? You guys really need a crash course in logic...
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#633 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] LMAO you're truly a piece of work... in the bad sense of course.

Considering before some kids got bent out of shape I won best three times in a row....I can't say I care what some butt hurt individuals think.

So when you win they process is great but when you lose eveyone is butthurt? lol and you claim you're not biased. Yours ia a bad case of cognitive dissonance kid.

No but I know which users had an agenda. What was that you said about agendas? Are you using a double standard? Anyone here who gets much notice...especially if it's for a length of time will get a backlash. Happens in life all the time. Am I supposed to care that it happened? Would you care? I can say with certainty you have never bested me. Therefore, you < me.
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#634 kuraimen
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I need to go. Maybe you can use the time to get some sleep Palantas. Maybe you can then do better :)
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#635 Palantas
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Well I've never seen him slam the US. Sure you will defend your pal though. I have made pro US comments too so I guess that makes me unbiased? You guys really need a crash course in logic...kuraimen

That's almost all I see you posting about, is b!tching about the US. I hardly ever see you posting in any of the friendly topics on here.

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#636 LJS9502_basic
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I need to go. Maybe you can use the time to get some sleep Palantas. Maybe you can then do better :)kuraimen
So you won't be offering any to substantiate your stance?
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#637 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Well I've never seen him slam the US. Sure you will defend your pal though. I have made pro US comments too so I guess that makes me unbiased? You guys really need a crash course in logic...Palantas

That's almost all I see you posting about, is b!tching about the US. I hardly ever see you posting in any of the friendly topics on here.

I think he once said something not so damning......but that's about it.
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#638 Palantas
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Weren't weapons found? According to the Geneva Convention if a civilian is armed....there are no longer a civilian. LJS9502_basic

kuraimen decided that there were no weapons. In spite of...

  1. The pilots saying there were weapons, specific weapon.
  2. The gun cameras showing weapons.
  3. Weapons being photographed by ground units.

In spite of all that, he decided that there were no weapons. His rationale: The US lies.

Using his rationale, I have determined that the US lied in making the gunship camera footage, and none of this ever happened. All of those people were actually killed in unrelated incidents.

EDIT:

His evidence that the US lied is that the report said the kids were turned over to the police, while the camera shows something different. I was just watching the footage, and I have no idea what he's talking about.

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#639 Palantas
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Answer this:

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]On your character and the kind of person you are. Not a very honest one I must say.I

Oh, I'm not honest. Show me the quote block where I'm being dishonest.

Answer this:

You accused me of "hearing voices" because I said "several people" were laughing at you, while you claimed there were only two. If I can find more than two people openly criticizing you, will you admit this statement above was incorrect, and quit the argument? I am making a bet with you. The bet is that I can find more than two people in this thread laughing at you. The wager is that the loser will admit he f*cked up and quit the argument. Do you accept, or would you like to alter the wager?

I

Answer this:

Describe your experience in ground combat, specifically in working with US forces.

I

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Kuraimen......you have about five different posts that I've asked for proof.....any chance you will oblige me? Or is shouting your opinion and ad hominem and straw man the only thing you have?LJS9502_basic
You're too dumb to realise that your own behavior is the proof? really?

:lol: Kuraimen I know it's too early for the OTcars....but I'm putting you up for worst debater.

mhm
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#641 kuraimen
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Am I supposed to care that it happened?LJS9502_basic

Well you were the one who brought the OTCars to the convo so that means you at least care more than me. You even have your own meme lol. Hows that cognitive dissonance going?

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#642 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Am I supposed to care that it happened?kuraimen

Well you were the one who brought the OTCars to the convo so that means you at least care more than me. You even have your own meme lol. Hows that cognitive dissonance going?

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Yeah because I think you earned one.
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#643 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Well I've never seen him slam the US. Sure you will defend your pal though. I have made pro US comments too so I guess that makes me unbiased? You guys really need a crash course in logic...Palantas

That's almost all I see you posting about, is b!tching about the US. I hardly ever see you posting in any of the friendly topics on here.

Maybe you're not there then...
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#644 kuraimen
Member since 2010 • 28078 Posts
[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Am I supposed to care that it happened?LJS9502_basic

Well you were the one who brought the OTCars to the convo so that means you at least care more than me. You even have your own meme lol. Hows that cognitive dissonance going?

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Yeah because I think you earned one.

Only you not care about something by caring lol what a dumbass.
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#645 LJS9502_basic
Member since 2003 • 180194 Posts
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]

Well you were the one who brought the OTCars to the convo so that means you at least care more than me. You even have your own meme lol. Hows that cognitive dissonance going?

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kuraimen
Yeah because I think you earned one.

Only you not care about something by caring lol what a dumbass.

Thinking you earned one does not intrinsically mean I care champ.;)
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#646 dave123321
Member since 2003 • 35554 Posts
I should start my OTcar campaign soon
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#647 LJS9502_basic
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I should start my OTcar campaign soondave123321
User who should be ranger?
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#648 dave123321
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[QUOTE="dave123321"]I should start my OTcar campaign soonLJS9502_basic
User who should be ranger?

exactly I should also move my ranger campaign to the next level.
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#649 Palantas
Member since 2002 • 15329 Posts

Maybe you're not there then...kuraimen

Maybe I am. How many other threads have you posted in since we started this discussion?

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#650 Palantas
Member since 2002 • 15329 Posts

Answer this:

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]On your character and the kind of person you are. Not a very honest one I must say.I

Oh, I'm not honest. Show me the quote block where I'm being dishonest.

Answer this:

You accused me of "hearing voices" because I said "several people" were laughing at you, while you claimed there were only two. If I can find more than two people openly criticizing you, will you admit this statement above was incorrect, and quit the argument? I am making a bet with you. The bet is that I can find more than two people in this thread laughing at you. The wager is that the loser will admit he f*cked up and quit the argument. Do you accept, or would you like to alter the wager?

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Answer this:

Describe your experience in ground combat, specifically in working with US forces.

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