About the CT shooting, does anyone else find it most disturbing that...

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The 'war of aggression' (assuming there was one) has no bearing on the legitimacy of military strikes on armed insurgents in afgahnistan or Iraq. The person/s first initiating the war- could be liable for said acts.

The ICC can't hold the US responsible for 'crimes of aggression' because the US is not a person and the ICC tries persons and only in the case when an externality has occurred relevant to the ability of relevant, properly jurisdictioned, states to enforce criminal liability. It's a means to hold violators of, in this case, the UN charter responsible and to discourage offenders (through a much more painful tool thaan that of state liability). The semi-relevant (because none of this has bearing n american aerial strikes, now) discussion is whether the US violated the UN charter by initiating an illegitimate war.

thebest31406

Also regardless to whether a war or occupation is legitimate or not, governments and individual soldiers and military units still have the right to defend themselves or their forces in the case of an attack.

why piewhipassmt

because your post was a trip, whip

This is me arguing basic morality, with the help of Nuremberg and the ICCthebest31406

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]why piepie-junior

because your post was a trip, whip

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[QUOTE="whipassmt"]why piewhipassmt

because your post was a trip, whip

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="pie-junior"]

because your post was a trip, whip

MrPraline

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] my oh my, pie.

whipassmt

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[QUOTE="whipassmt"]why piewhipassmt

because your post was a trip, whip

[QUOTE="pie-junior"][QUOTE="thebest31406"] Irrelevant if the aims are criminal and illegitimate. This is me arguing basic morality, with the help of Nuremberg and the ICCthebest31406

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because your post was a trip, whip

pie-junior

[QUOTE="pie-junior"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] my oh my, pie.

whipassmt

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[QUOTE="MrPraline"] lolMrPraline

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[QUOTE="pie-junior"] stop giving me lip, whippie-junior

[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="pie-junior"] The aims of the complete seperation between jus ad bellum and jus in bellum are criminal and illegitimate? It's obviously to the betterment of the international community. *A quick glance at ICC caselaw and administrative decisions, would reveal to you how unfitting your arguments are with the court's. * You overruse the term 'criminal'. not everything you disagree with is criminal.pie-junior

haha liked that more than entirety of thread.pie-junior

[QUOTE="pie-junior"][QUOTE="thebest31406"] Bush's reasons for going to war was.whipassmt

[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="pie-junior"] The aims of the complete seperation between jus ad bellum and jus in bellum are criminal and illegitimate? It's obviously to the betterment of the international community. *A quick glance at ICC caselaw and administrative decisions, would reveal to you how unfitting your arguments are with the court's. * You overruse the term 'criminal'. not everything you disagree with is criminal.pie-junior

how did I get in that quote chainpie-junior

[QUOTE="pie-junior"]haha liked that more than entirety of thread.whipassmt

Relevant

[QUOTE="pie-junior"][QUOTE="thebest31406"] Bush's reasons for going to war was.thebest31406

[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="pie-junior"] No it wasn't. It was authorized by Congress. would you want Iraq in possession of WMDs?whipassmt

@Palantas (aka military dump dude):

Loving the leader is a characteristic of many armies around the world. In my country, the army is brain washed into it almost in all activities, from daily training to entertaiment. It is almost as bad as North Korea.

kingfire11

What's your experience in the military?

EDIT: And what is a "military dump dude"?

Don't bother, it's like talking logic with a wall.kuraimen

Talking to kuraimen is literally like talking to a wall. He makes wild claims, and then when challenged, just keeps running his mouth like you never posted. It's like he's reading a completely different forum. You'll have half a dozen people in the same thread telling him he's wrong, and he just keeps posting.

Answer this:

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]On your character and the kind of person you are. Not a very honest one I must say.I

Oh, I'm not honest. Show me the quote block where I'm being dishonest.

Answer this:

You accused me of "hearing voices" because I said "several people" were laughing at you, while you claimed there were only two. If I can find more than two people openly criticizing you, will you admit this statement above was incorrect, and quit the argument? I am making a bet with you. The bet is that I can find more than two people in this thread laughing at you. The wager is that the loser will admit he f*cked up and quit the argument. Do you accept, or would you like to alter the wager?

I

Answer this:

Describe your experience in ground combat, specifically in working with US forces.

I

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Don't bother, it's like talking logic with a wall.Palantas

Talking to kuraimen is literally like talking to a wall. He makes wild claims, and then when challenged, just keeps running his mouth like you never posted. It's like he's reading a completely different forum. You'll have half a dozen people in the same thread telling him he's wrong, and he just keeps posting.

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In a lot of drone strikes the drone is just flying circles around a house for hours

nunovlopes

Imagine what it must be like to live like that. Always thinking will my house be blown away at any second.

Answer this:

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Describe your experience in ground combat, specifically in working with US forces.

Palantas

I have a feeling you aren't going to get a decent answer from him on that one. But I can tell you what would happen to the gunner if I was on the ground, he followed kuraimen's advice, and one of my Soldiers died as a result:

If I was in a firefight and a Soldier under me died because the gunner decided to have a dumb attack and not do what his job is, which is to give me cover fire then he better hope he isn't on the same FOB I am on. Because if he is then UCMJ be damned, I'm going to go right up to him, punch him in the face, and tell him "Motherfvcker you just got my Soldier killed!"

It's easy for people who have never been to combat outside of Team Deathmatch on Call of Duty to say what they would do. Which is why they should remain civilians. The military isn't for everybody and while I would never criticize somebody based on not wanting to serve alone, when they start trying to tell me how to do MY job that's when I may get a little pissed.

I have a brother in law in the us military by the waykuraimen

And I have a younger cousin who is serving a six year prison sentence right now. So what's your point?

It is an interesting (for lack of a better term) juxtaposition. At the very least our reaction to tragedies like what happened in Newtown can help contextualize what happens overseas with these drone strikes and the un-quantifiable, yet all the while very real damage they continue to cause.

With that said, these are still two seperate issues that require different potential solutions.

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Answer this:

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ad1x2

I have a feeling you aren't going to get a decent answer from him on that one. But I can tell you what would happen to the gunner if I was on the ground, he followed kuraimen's advice, and one of my Soldiers died as a result:

If I was in a firefight and a Soldier under me died because the gunner decided to have a dumb attack and not do what his job is, which is to give me cover fire then he better hope he isn't on the same FOB I am on. Because if he is then UCMJ be damned, I'm going to go right up to him, punch him in the face, and tell him "Motherfvcker you just got my Soldier killed!"

It's easy for people who have never been to combat outside of Team Deathmatch on Call of Duty to say what they would do. Which is why they should remain civilians. The military isn't for everybody and while I would never criticize somebody based on not wanting to serve alone, when they start trying to tell me how to do MY job that's when I may get a little pissed.

I have a brother in law in the us military by the waykuraimen

And I have a younger cousin who is serving a six year prison sentence right now. So what's your point?

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Don't bother, it's like talking logic with a wall.Palantas

Talking to kuraimen is literally like talking to a wall. He makes wild claims, and then when challenged, just keeps running his mouth like you never posted. It's like he's reading a completely different forum. You'll have half a dozen people in the same thread telling him he's wrong, and he just keeps posting.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Ok so your original answer was that you're not biased. So my next question, are you a freak of nature or just delusional?kuraimen

I have a master degree in cognitive science.kuraimen

Do you have no meaningful military experience or education? Is that correct?

Answer this:

Describe your experience in ground combat, specifically in working with US forces.

I

Well in the video we were referencing the guys who shot were what looked like hundreds of miles away...kuraimen

The range of the weapon used in that incident is a little over one kilometre. You are mistaken. Again: Are you lying about seeing the video, or are you lying about what you saw in the video

...and had lots of time to make a decision. Definitely not split second decisions.kuraimen

Ah, so it wasn't indiscriminate. Good. Glad we finally got that cleared up.

Whoah, you have walls that make wild claims and run their mouth? I want one of those, where'de you get them, HomeDepot?

whipassmt

Lowe's.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Well in the video we were referencing the guys who shot were what looked like hundreds of miles away...Palantas

The range of the weapon used in that incident is a little over one kilometre. You are mistaken. Again: Are you lying about seeing the video, or are you lying about what you saw in the video

...and had lots of time to make a decision. Definitely not split second decisions.kuraimen

Ah, so it wasn't indiscriminate. Good. Glad we finally got that cleared up.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Ok so your original answer was that you're not biased. So my next question, are you a freak of nature or just delusional?kuraimen

Hahahahaha!

First of all - You don't have a masters degree in anything. As a matter of fact, I HIGHLY doubt that you've ever even attended a collage.

Second - Even If you did, then you are an embarrassment to the educational system and whatever unfortunate school you attended should be closed down and lit on fire.

Third - You are a douche bag who's only talent is publicly humiliating himself. Go on and live your delusion of grandeur and intellectual supremacy while everyone else laughs at your blatent and obvious stupidity.

Hahahahaha!