ACTA - Say goodbye to the internet

[QUOTE="Dante2710"]it wont pass and even if it did: no country could afford to "police" or "keep check" of what is going on the internetPixel-Pirate

Exactly. It would also costs thousands if not millions of jobs, and total several industries and large companies. This simply cannot work and the only other option would be to effectively dismantle the internet. This is also impossible and in this day would not work because so much of buisness, social, entertainment, fiancing etc is done via internet.

1. Countries like China and Iran already do this very effectively.
2. Since we're talking about copyright violations, you can be damn sure that organizaitons like the RIAA and MPAA will enlarge their already existing legal divisions so that they can start shutting down every pirate they find (remember, all it will take is three separate email complaints to your ISP to get you permanently banned from the internet).
3. Remember that the ISPs are at the center of all of this. The government doesn't have to track you down, arrest you, and conduct a trial to determine your guilt before you hitting you with the banhammer of God. Rather, all it takes is a few emails to your ISP and you're cut-off for good. Furthermore, sharing sites like youtube and flickr will have to shut down the day this treaty passes because they would become illegal sites under this legislation.

In other words, it's totally doable.

waffle57

But it WOULD take effect in Canada.

Lockedge

Sorry to burst your bubble, but

International=The whole world. Including Canada. :(

Lilyanne46

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Dante2710"]it wont pass and even if it did: no country could afford to "police" or "keep check" of what is going on the internetgameguy6700

Exactly. It would also costs thousands if not millions of jobs, and total several industries and large companies. This simply cannot work and the only other option would be to effectively dismantle the internet. This is also impossible and in this day would not work because so much of buisness, social, entertainment, fiancing etc is done via internet.

1. Countries like China and Iran already do this very effectively.
2. Since we're talking about copyright violations, you can be damn sure that organizaitons like the RIAA and MPAA will enlarge their already existing legal divisions so that they can start shutting down every pirate they find (remember, all it will take is three separate email complaints to your ISP to get you permanently banned from the internet).
3. Remember that the ISPs are at the center of all of this. The government doesn't have to track you down, arrest you, and conduct a trial to determine your guilt before you hitting you with the banhammer of God. Rather, all it takes is a few emails to your ISP and you're cut-off for good. Furthermore, sharing sites like youtube and flickr will have to shut down the day this treaty passes because they would become illegal sites under this legislation.

In other words, it's totally doable.

And you are aware alot of these sites and alot of buisness operate in a way that would force them to shut down, costing millions upon millions of jobs overnight, and destroying an industry that's quite profitable. I don't see the US going through with it. China and Iran do not have as large a dependence on the internet as other countries do. If this was to go through I can garuntee the economy would get much worse and unemployment in the US would get even higher.

[QUOTE="Dante2710"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

They are using ISPs all they would need to do is allow government to put an *internet police* branch within the ISP.

Lilyanne46

Hell, they can't even catch individuals, no way they can catch entire counties. There are well over 100 to monitor. :|

This wouldn't set up an international censorship body. Rather it modifies all countries' laws so that it becomes ridiculously easy to police the internet. Really, the government isn't even needed in all of this. As we've seen with the DMCA, all the work gets done by organizations like the RIAA. Since your ISP will be required to obide with their requests (whether they have proof or not) nothing more is required than an email. Furthermore, you lose all privacy rights. Anyone will be able to get a hold of your personal information just by emailing your ISP, claiming you violated copyright law, and requesting your information.

[QUOTE="Lilyanne46"]

If this crap passes, a LOT of people will be pissed. I know I will be. The internet is what I need. What the point of having computers without the internet? :?

MrGeezer

*shrugs*

I used computers years before the internet came along. Take the internet away from my computer, and I suppose I'll simply do something else instead.

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Exactly. It would also costs thousands if not millions of jobs, and total several industries and large companies. This simply cannot work and the only other option would be to effectively dismantle the internet. This is also impossible and in this day would not work because so much of buisness, social, entertainment, fiancing etc is done via internet.

Pixel-Pirate

1. Countries like China and Iran already do this very effectively.
2. Since we're talking about copyright violations, you can be damn sure that organizaitons like the RIAA and MPAA will enlarge their already existing legal divisions so that they can start shutting down every pirate they find (remember, all it will take is three separate email complaints to your ISP to get you permanently banned from the internet).
3. Remember that the ISPs are at the center of all of this. The government doesn't have to track you down, arrest you, and conduct a trial to determine your guilt before you hitting you with the banhammer of God. Rather, all it takes is a few emails to your ISP and you're cut-off for good. Furthermore, sharing sites like youtube and flickr will have to shut down the day this treaty passes because they would become illegal sites under this legislation.

In other words, it's totally doable.

And you are aware alot of these sites and alot of buisness operate in a way that would force them to shut down, costing millions upon millions of jobs overnight, and destroying an industry that's quite profitable. I don't see the US going through with it. China and Iran do not have as large a dependence on the internet as other countries do. If this was to go through I can garuntee the economy would get much worse and unemployment in the US would get even higher.

Yeah, but the only sites that get shut down are those that allow user generated content like youtube, flickr, google videos, and blogs. Sites like foxnews.com and amazon.com will still be fine.

It's really just the consumer, the little guy, who gets bent over by this treaty. We're the only ones who have to worry about getting kicked off the internet, having personal information distributed at request, and who lose out on the free flow of information via sites like youtube. When it comes to corporations they're happier than ever, especially media corporations who will be ecastatic at both the sharp decline in piracy and their revival as the masters of media creation and distribution (newspapers and magazines get to live again, and TV channels will see a rebound from the gradual decline in viewership they've been seeing ever since youtube launched).

The reminds me of an old article about IP addresses running out by 2010. I guess it won't even matter, huh? :?

Someone help me figure it out?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/3076933/Internet-will-run-out-of-IP-addresses-by-2010-warns-Vint-Cerf.html

Lilyanne46

It's not an issue. All they have to do is increase the amount of digits that make up an IP address, much like what gets done with phone numbers every 1-2 decades.

We are Anonymous.
We are Legion.
We run this.
We do not forgive.
We do not forget.
We will stand up to all who oppose Anonymous.
TIME FOR WAR! :evil:

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

1. Countries like China and Iran already do this very effectively.
2. Since we're talking about copyright violations, you can be damn sure that organizaitons like the RIAA and MPAA will enlarge their already existing legal divisions so that they can start shutting down every pirate they find (remember, all it will take is three separate email complaints to your ISP to get you permanently banned from the internet).
3. Remember that the ISPs are at the center of all of this. The government doesn't have to track you down, arrest you, and conduct a trial to determine your guilt before you hitting you with the banhammer of God. Rather, all it takes is a few emails to your ISP and you're cut-off for good. Furthermore, sharing sites like youtube and flickr will have to shut down the day this treaty passes because they would become illegal sites under this legislation.

In other words, it's totally doable.

gameguy6700

And you are aware alot of these sites and alot of buisness operate in a way that would force them to shut down, costing millions upon millions of jobs overnight, and destroying an industry that's quite profitable. I don't see the US going through with it. China and Iran do not have as large a dependence on the internet as other countries do. If this was to go through I can garuntee the economy would get much worse and unemployment in the US would get even higher.

Yeah, but the only sites that get shut down are those that allow user generated content like youtube, flickr, google videos, and blogs. Sites like foxnews.com and amazon.com will still be fine.

It's really just the consumer, the little guy, who gets bent over by this treaty. We're the only ones who have to worry about getting kicked off the internet, having personal information distributed at request, and who lose out on the free flow of information via sites like youtube. When it comes to corporations they're happier than ever, especially media corporations who will be ecastatic at both the sharp decline in piracy and their revival as the masters of media creation and distribution (newspapers and magazines get to live again, and TV channels will see a rebound from the gradual decline in viewership they've been seeing ever since youtube launched).

I'm very sure sites like youtube, google vids, etc make money, are worth alot, and employ many people for various reasons. Shutting down those sites would have a huge effect on the economy and unemployment. Also what would happen to MMO's? Copyright infringement happens in there as well (Marvel once took cryptic to court over it) so they'd get shut down as well. There goes more jobs, more money, heck an entire industry right there.

Majority of you are over reacting. EVEN if this passes.. they can't force majority of countries to follow it.. All the servers will just move their business to countries that don't enforce these laws... and it'll hurt the countries trying to impose these laws more so they'll be forced to give it up or compromise.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

1. Countries like China and Iran already do this very effectively.
2. Since we're talking about copyright violations, you can be damn sure that organizaitons like the RIAA and MPAA will enlarge their already existing legal divisions so that they can start shutting down every pirate they find (remember, all it will take is three separate email complaints to your ISP to get you permanently banned from the internet).
3. Remember that the ISPs are at the center of all of this. The government doesn't have to track you down, arrest you, and conduct a trial to determine your guilt before you hitting you with the banhammer of God. Rather, all it takes is a few emails to your ISP and you're cut-off for good. Furthermore, sharing sites like youtube and flickr will have to shut down the day this treaty passes because they would become illegal sites under this legislation.

In other words, it's totally doable.

gameguy6700

And you are aware alot of these sites and alot of buisness operate in a way that would force them to shut down, costing millions upon millions of jobs overnight, and destroying an industry that's quite profitable. I don't see the US going through with it. China and Iran do not have as large a dependence on the internet as other countries do. If this was to go through I can garuntee the economy would get much worse and unemployment in the US would get even higher.

Yeah, but the only sites that get shut down are those that allow user generated content like youtube, flickr, google videos, and blogs. Sites like foxnews.com and amazon.com will still be fine.

It's really just the consumer, the little guy, who gets bent over by this treaty. We're the only ones who have to worry about getting kicked off the internet, having personal information distributed at request, and who lose out on the free flow of information via sites like youtube. When it comes to corporations they're happier than ever, especially media corporations who will be ecastatic at both the sharp decline in piracy and their revival as the masters of media creation and distribution (newspapers and magazines get to live again, and TV channels will see a rebound from the gradual decline in viewership they've been seeing ever since youtube launched).

You know who would love to see this information? Fox News. They would have a field day.mattbbpl

I'm really surprised they are not. It is a large secretive bill pushed by the Obamaadministration that will piss off many Americans. This should be gold to them.

Yeah, but the only sites that get shut down are those that allow user generated content like youtube, flickr, google videos, and blogs. Sites like foxnews.com and amazon.com will still be fine.

It's really just the consumer, the little guy, who gets bent over by this treaty. We're the only ones who have to worry about getting kicked off the internet, having personal information distributed at request, and who lose out on the free flow of information via sites like youtube. When it comes to corporations they're happier than ever, especially media corporations who will be ecastatic at both the sharp decline in piracy and their revival as the masters of media creation and distribution (newspapers and magazines get to live again, and TV channels will see a rebound from the gradual decline in viewership they've been seeing ever since youtube launched).

gameguy6700

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="Lilyanne46"]

If this crap passes, a LOT of people will be pissed. I know I will be. The internet is what I need. What the point of having computers without the internet? :?

Lockedge

*shrugs*

I used computers years before the internet came along. Take the internet away from my computer, and I suppose I'll simply do something else instead.

Well like I said, this probably isn't going to happen. It COULD, but it WON'T. At least not any time in the near future. I'm predicting this right now.

So I think that your job is safe.

However, let this be a warning to EVERYONE. If the "internet community" doesn't act responsibly, if these issues don't get resolved without passing restrictive laws, then some kind of change WILL happen. People need to take a stand against those who actually do things such as piracy and copyright violations, because at some point draconian laws WILL become a viable reality, and we'll have no one to blame but the short-sighted assbags who ruined things for EVERYONE.

Well, if this passes then im afraid im gonna have to be a criminal. :(

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]You know who would love to see this information? Fox News. They would have a field day.dercoo

I'm really surprised they are not. It is a large secretive bill pushed by the Obamaadministration that will piss off many Americans. This should be gold to them.

This would cause serious economic issues and eliminate hundreds (possibly millions)of thousands of jobs. I see no benefit in this, for anyone. I would hope that the nations of this world aren't that stupid.

This would cause serious economic issues and eliminate hundreds (possibly millions)of thousands of jobs. I see no benefit in this, for anyone. I would hope that the nations of this world aren't that stupid.

BreakTheseLinks

Well, if this passes then im afraid im gonna have to be a criminal. :(

Zerocrossings

They need to leave the internet alone. It is one of the last bastions of free speech and stuff, and humanity needs that vent.

This can't ****ing happen. I NEED THE INTERNET! :cry:

Oh! Corporate greed, how wonderful!

Fortunately people actually care enough the Internet to do something about this type of thing. Ironically they don't care about many other things which are of greater importance but whatever....

I really don't know how this can pass without some kind of fight...

people are going to be pissed.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]You know who would love to see this information? Fox News. They would have a field day.dercoo

I'm really surprised they are not. It is a large secretive bill pushed by the Obamaadministration that will piss off many Americans. This should be gold to them.

Oh! Corporate greed, how wonderful!

Fortunately people actually care enough the Internet to do something about this type of thing. Ironically they don't care about many other things which are of greater importance but whatever....

Tezcatlipoca666

You know who would love to see this information? Fox News. They would have a field day.mattbbpl

I'm really surprised they are not. It is a large secretive bill pushed by the Obamaadministration that will piss off many Americans. This should be gold to them.

What!!!!! Where's my shotgun?! I see I'm going to have to teach them a lesson....:evil:

Who's with me?!!!! We can lure the bastards out by blasting music from brokencyde then throw down the hammer of justice on them...:evil:

it'll never happen. the good people of /b/ will crush this treaty like a bug if it ever has a chance to threaten their hang-out.

it'll never happen. the good people of /b/ will crush this treaty like a bug if it ever has a chance to threaten their hang-out.

12345678ew

[QUOTE="cowplayinghalo"][QUOTE="dercoo"]

I'm really surprised they are not. It is a large secretive bill pushed by the Obamaadministration that will piss off many Americans. This should be gold to them.

BreakTheseLinks

Yep. Worse than dividing by zero!

[QUOTE="12345678ew"]

it'll never happen. the good people of /b/ will crush this treaty like a bug if it ever has a chance to threaten their hang-out.

EMOEVOLUTION

[QUOTE="dercoo"]

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]You know who would love to see this information? Fox News. They would have a field day.cowplayinghalo

I'm really surprised they are not. It is a large secretive bill pushed by the Obamaadministration that will piss off many Americans. This should be gold to them.

Well I found something.

Still I expect more from you Fox. Do your job and blow it out of proportion!

If true :cry:

I can't afford anime.:cry:

dercoo

[QUOTE="cowplayinghalo"][QUOTE="dercoo"]

I'm really surprised they are not. It is a large secretive bill pushed by the Obamaadministration that will piss off many Americans. This should be gold to them.

dercoo

Well I found something.

Still I expect more from you Fox. Do your job and blow it out of proportion!

It's really disturbing and frightening me that I actually want to see Fox News blow something out of proportion and attack the Obama administration.

Where the hell is Glenn Beck when you actually want him?

[QUOTE="dercoo"]

[QUOTE="cowplayinghalo"] For the first time in my life, I actually want Fox to report something.gameguy6700

Well I found something.

Still I expect more from you Fox. Do your job and blow it out of proportion!

It's really disturbing and frightening me that I actually want to see Fox News blow something out of proportion and attack the Obama administration.

Where the hell is Glenn Beck when you actually want him?

Don't think for a second that this is about "copyright protection". This is about controlling people's thoughts by axing the only free major form of media. Without the internet we are all seriously vulnerable. If this happened I would certainly protest. In the mean time we all should do whatever in our power to make sure this doesn't ever happen. DA_B0MB

Great.

And by pirating and violating copyright, people are providing a very real and understandable scapegoat under which insidious laws can get passed.

If people DIDN'T pirate media and violate copyrights, then such laws might STILL get proposed and/or passed. But at least then people wouldn't be giving them an easy and convenient way to mask their ulterior motive.

Even if you're right, then piracy and violation of copyright ALLOWS people to justify this stuff by resorting to excuses concerning piracy and violation of copyrights. Rather than, you know, having to actually state the REAL reason why they're proposing such things.

If this comes into effect in the US I will fly all the way over to DC and storm the white house, the house of reps, and senate and hunt down all responsible for letting this BS legislation pass.

They better ban and outlaw firearms to people before they pass this because I am pretty sure, I would hope, that if it does, Gun and ammo sales will go up. Its about time we have another revolution.