Afterlife

[QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"][QUOTE="Mordred19"]

I'm curious about catholicism. how do catholics feel about the pope and the vatican today? (EDIT: the past vatican and past popes is much too broad :P )

Mordred19

is the pope infallible?

Id imagine most people are, you just need a powerful enough air pump.

[QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"][QUOTE="Mordred19"]

I'm curious about catholicism. how do catholics feel about the pope and the vatican today? (EDIT: the past vatican and past popes is much too broad :P )

Mordred19

is the pope infallible?

Before Christianity people believed in numerous gods. What happened to them did they retire and collect pension ? If you were raised to believe you went to Valhalla thats what you'd be talking about now. Everyone has their own bias towards afterlife but the truth of the matter is the only afterlife is decomposing underground.

Skarwolf

There are thousands questions, science can't answer. Science only goes to a certain point, then comes god

tjricardo089

[QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

There are thousands questions, science can't answer. Science only goes to a certain point, then comes god

parkurtommo

Well, that is your opinion.

[QUOTE="Mordred19"]

[QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"] What do you mean? Feel about what? The pope is the successor to Saint Peter, if that's what you're asking.ChampionoChumps

is the pope infallible?

I didn't say he was jesus. I'd like clarification and the point of view of an individual catholic. when I see the term "papal infallability", is that a misconception, is that misinformation, or is something being taken out of context?

[QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"][QUOTE="Mordred19"]

is the pope infallible?

Mordred19

I didn't say he was jesus. I'd like clarification and the point of view of an individual catholic. when I see the term "papal infallability", is that a misconception, is that misinformation, or is something being taken out of context?

A little bit of all I would say.

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

There are thousands questions, science can't answer. Science only goes to a certain point, then comes god

tjricardo089

Well, that is your opinion.

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

There are thousands questions, science can't answer. Science only goes to a certain point, then comes god

tjricardo089

Well, that is your opinion.

I'm afraid that is fact, as god does not talk to anyone he/she cannot indeed answer anything.

[QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"] God cannot answer anything, maybe a religious person's thoughts can.tenaka2

Well, that is your opinion.

I'm afraid that is fact, as god does not talk to anyone he/she cannot indeed answer anything.

[QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"] God cannot answer anything, maybe a religious person's thoughts can.parkurtommo

Well, that is your opinion.

If you have faith, you would understand. As you don't, I can't explain to you. Let's say you believe in science... gravity does not speak or communicate with any human being. So how do you really know what gravity is? You have faith that science is telling you the right thing, in fact everyone 'eat' without questioning, science. If a man says that the universe started with a Big Bang, you believe it, so after all scientists are also preachers. Science is your religion, mine is Christianism.

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

There are thousands questions, science can't answer. Science only goes to a certain point, then comes god

tjricardo089

Well, that is your opinion.

I love how atheists talk so much non-sense about christianism.

tjricardo089

[QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"][QUOTE="Mordred19"]

is the pope infallible?

Mordred19

I didn't say he was jesus. I'd like clarification and the point of view of an individual catholic. when I see the term "papal infallability", is that a misconception, is that misinformation, or is something being taken out of context?

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

Well, that is your opinion.

tjricardo089

If you have faith, you would understand. As you don't, I can't explain to you. Let's say you believe in science... gravity does not speak or communicate with any human being. So how do you really know what gravity is? You have faith that science is telling you the right thing, in fact everyone 'eat' without questioning, science. If a man says that the universe started with a Big Bang, you believe it, so after all scientists are also preachers. Science is your religion, mine is Christianism.

A day may come when you have an illness or be involved in an accident.

On that day you will cry for the evil men of science to come and medicate you.

It's the best nightclub on Omega, for surexaos

[QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

I love how atheists talk so much non-sense about christianism.

wis3boi

Oh really? Then let me say some things that science said as "Believe as I say, never question it."

1 ) Where did everything came from?
2 ) Why is there something instead of nothing?
3 ) Why did the Big Bang happen?
4 ) How long ago did the Big Bang happen?
5 ) If we went back in a time machine and watched the Big Bang, what would it look like?
6 ) If everything is expanding, what is it expanding into?
7 ) Is there more than one universe?
8 ) Is time travel possible?
9 ) What is reality?
10 ) Where was I before I was born?
11 ) What was before the Big Bang?

Keep an open mind, the answers you find yourself in books are 'what we think we know right now'. But that doesn't mean there isn't a better explanation.

That's certainly one way to look at it yes, but sometimes people put it in a "I'm too good for religion now" way. It works both way I guess.GazaAli

[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

I love how atheists talk so much non-sense about christianism.

tjricardo089

Oh really? Then let me say some things that science said as "Believe as I say, never question it."

1 ) Where did everything came from?
2 ) Why is there something instead of nothing?
3 ) Why did the Big Bang happen?
4 ) How long ago did the Big Bang happen?
5 ) If we went back in a time machine and watched the Big Bang, what would it look like?
6 ) If everything is expanding, what is it expanding into?
7 ) Is there more than one universe?
8 ) Is time travel possible?
9 ) What is reality?
10 ) Where was I before I was born?
11 ) What was before the Big Bang?

Keep an open mind, the answers you find yourself in books are 'what we think we know right now'. But that doesn't mean there isn't a better explanation.

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

Well, that is your opinion.

tjricardo089

If you have faith, you would understand. As you don't, I can't explain to you. Let's say you believe in science... gravity does not speak or communicate with any human being. So how do you really know what gravity is? You have faith that science is telling you the right thing, in fact everyone 'eat' without questioning, science. If a man says that the universe started with a Big Bang, you believe it, so after all scientists are also preachers. Science is your religion, mine is Christianism.

[QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"] Yes. But how does God literally answer to anything?? In your religion, he exists, but does not speak or comunicate with any human being. So how can he answer? :Pparkurtommo

If you have faith, you would understand. As you don't, I can't explain to you. Let's say you believe in science... gravity does not speak or communicate with any human being. So how do you really know what gravity is? You have faith that science is telling you the right thing, in fact everyone 'eat' without questioning, science. If a man says that the universe started with a Big Bang, you believe it, so after all scientists are also preachers. Science is your religion, mine is Christianism.

For me no, but to atheist probably. But after death, we will be where we want to be, no matter our religion, my two cents.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

I love how atheists talk so much non-sense about christianism.

tjricardo089

Oh really? Then let me say some things that science said as "Believe as I say, never question it."

1 ) Where did everything came from?
2 ) Why is there something instead of nothing?
3 ) Why did the Big Bang happen?
4 ) How long ago did the Big Bang happen?
5 ) If we went back in a time machine and watched the Big Bang, what would it look like?
6 ) If everything is expanding, what is it expanding into?
7 ) Is there more than one universe?
8 ) Is time travel possible?
9 ) What is reality?
10 ) Where was I before I was born?
11 ) What was before the Big Bang?

Keep an open mind, the answers you find yourself in books are 'what we think we know right now'. But that doesn't mean there isn't a better explanation.

Are you suggesting that the answers to all these questions (all of which by the way have been raised by scientists) have been answered by a book writen by sheep hearders 2000 years ago?

[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

I love how atheists talk so much non-sense about christianism.

tjricardo089

Oh really? Then let me say some things that science said as "Believe as I say, never question it."

1 ) Where did everything came from?
2 ) Why is there something instead of nothing?
3 ) Why did the Big Bang happen?
4 ) How long ago did the Big Bang happen?
5 ) If we went back in a time machine and watched the Big Bang, what would it look like?
6 ) If everything is expanding, what is it expanding into?
7 ) Is there more than one universe?
8 ) Is time travel possible?
9 ) What is reality?
10 ) Where was I before I was born?
11 ) What was before the Big Bang?

Keep an open mind, the answers you find yourself in books are 'what we think we know right now'. But that doesn't mean there isn't a better explanation.

[QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"] there's a reason behind it. Science says when it is unsure of something, and then goes ahead and tests it over a long period of time. The religious side of things says "Believe as I say, never question it."tenaka2

Oh really? Then let me say some things that science said as "Believe as I say, never question it."

1 ) Where did everything came from?
2 ) Why is there something instead of nothing?
3 ) Why did the Big Bang happen?
4 ) How long ago did the Big Bang happen?
5 ) If we went back in a time machine and watched the Big Bang, what would it look like?
6 ) If everything is expanding, what is it expanding into?
7 ) Is there more than one universe?
8 ) Is time travel possible?
9 ) What is reality?
10 ) Where was I before I was born?
11 ) What was before the Big Bang?

Keep an open mind, the answers you find yourself in books are 'what we think we know right now'. But that doesn't mean there isn't a better explanation.

Are you suggesting that the answers to all these questions (all of which by the way have been raised by scientists) have been answered by a book writen by sheep hearders 2000 years ago?

Again, you fail at understanding and you put words on my mouth. Try to read the same post twice to see if you understand it. The bible is nothing more than what mankind wrote about Jesus and God and the other disciples, I prefer to believe in God, then in what people wrote about him, but I do respect the bible, but of course we can't take everything that says there.

[QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"] there's a reason behind it. Science says when it is unsure of something, and then goes ahead and tests it over a long period of time. The religious side of things says "Believe as I say, never question it."parkurtommo

Oh really? Then let me say some things that science said as "Believe as I say, never question it."

1 ) Where did everything came from?
2 ) Why is there something instead of nothing?
3 ) Why did the Big Bang happen?
4 ) How long ago did the Big Bang happen?
5 ) If we went back in a time machine and watched the Big Bang, what would it look like?
6 ) If everything is expanding, what is it expanding into?
7 ) Is there more than one universe?
8 ) Is time travel possible?
9 ) What is reality?
10 ) Where was I before I was born?
11 ) What was before the Big Bang?

Keep an open mind, the answers you find yourself in books are 'what we think we know right now'. But that doesn't mean there isn't a better explanation.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

Oh really? Then let me say some things that science said as "Believe as I say, never question it."

1 ) Where did everything came from?
2 ) Why is there something instead of nothing?
3 ) Why did the Big Bang happen?
4 ) How long ago did the Big Bang happen?
5 ) If we went back in a time machine and watched the Big Bang, what would it look like?
6 ) If everything is expanding, what is it expanding into?
7 ) Is there more than one universe?
8 ) Is time travel possible?
9 ) What is reality?
10 ) Where was I before I was born?
11 ) What was before the Big Bang?

Keep an open mind, the answers you find yourself in books are 'what we think we know right now'. But that doesn't mean there isn't a better explanation.

tjricardo089

Are you suggesting that the answers to all these questions (all of which by the way have been raised by scientists) have been answered by a book writen by sheep hearders 2000 years ago?

Again, you fail at understanding and you put words on my mouth. Try to read the same post twice to see if you understand it. The bible is nothing more than what mankind wrote about Jesus and God and the other disciples, I prefer to believe in God, then in what people wrote about him, but I do respect the bible, but of course we can't take everything that says there.

But rather then researching these things we should stop all scientific advancement throw our arms up and say 'God did it'?

Too many questions and assumptions with no concluding answer means I do not want to think about it. I'm not religious nor Atheist, I'd like their to be a god up their with an afterlife or recreation but if their isn't then oh well. Rather live in denial and die comfortingly than fearing the nothingness that Atheists pursue.shadowkiller11

I do not fear the nothingness i embrace it, the nothingness is more commen to myself and you then your existence.
You did not exist in your current form for billions of years, you exist for a very short periode, and then you will return to the peaceful oblivion.

How did you feel 500 years ago? did you feel bad, depressed or in pain? no you did not because all of those concepts are only relevant to this short periode as an organism.

There are thousands questions, science can't answer. Science only goes to a certain point, then comes god

tjricardo089

The difference between a religious person as yourself and an atheist is that, an atheist simply knows there are questions we do not know the anwser for (yet) but he does not need to create a fictional figure or fairytale to make him feel better about it. He can handle the uncertainty, he knows these things can not be anwsered with todays knowledge but will probably be anwsered when we gathered enough information about those topics.

Remember:There was a time when science did not exist and we did not had any anwsers at all. Thank goodness that some of these people did not sat around saying "God did it all, or God knows best" but started asking real questions and were determined to find anwsers.

If you have faith, you would understand. As you don't, I can't explain to you. Let's say you believe in science... gravity does not speak or communicate with any human being. So how do you really know what gravity is? You have faith that science is telling you the right thing, in fact everyone 'eat' without questioning, science. If a man says that the universe started with a Big Bang, you believe it, so after all scientists are also preachers. Science is your religion, mine is Christianism.

tjricardo089

I now know you have no concept what science is, 1) you can't believe in science, science is a methode of information gathering, that is all.
2) We do not talk to gravity, to know what it is, we make experiments so we can test theories about gravity, if somebody's theorie predicted what would happen in that experiment, then other scientists will try to replicate that experiment, when all these people come to the same conclusion, only then do people "accept" this explanation. I do not have faith that science is telling me the right thing, i look at the theories and experiments and i understand them, 1+1 = 2, its logical and more true then any other explantion, so i accept it. Science is not a religion, please learn a course methodology so you know what the scientific methode really is or stop talking this ridiculous nonsense that is so extremely laughable for people who do understand those same concepts.

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"]

[QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

Oh really? Then let me say some things that science said as "Believe as I say, never question it."

1 ) Where did everything came from?
2 ) Why is there something instead of nothing?
3 ) Why did the Big Bang happen?
4 ) How long ago did the Big Bang happen?
5 ) If we went back in a time machine and watched the Big Bang, what would it look like?
6 ) If everything is expanding, what is it expanding into?
7 ) Is there more than one universe?
8 ) Is time travel possible?
9 ) What is reality?
10 ) Where was I before I was born?
11 ) What was before the Big Bang?

Keep an open mind, the answers you find yourself in books are 'what we think we know right now'. But that doesn't mean there isn't a better explanation.

ChampionoChumps

[QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Are you suggesting that the answers to all these questions (all of which by the way have been raised by scientists) have been answered by a book writen by sheep hearders 2000 years ago?

tenaka2

Again, you fail at understanding and you put words on my mouth. Try to read the same post twice to see if you understand it. The bible is nothing more than what mankind wrote about Jesus and God and the other disciples, I prefer to believe in God, then in what people wrote about him, but I do respect the bible, but of course we can't take everything that says there.

But rather then researching these things we should stop all scientific advancement throw our arms up and say 'God did it'?

Do you even read your posts? I never said anything close as that, I am just saying that science should respect religion instead of coming up with 'theories' that can't even be tested or witnessed.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

Again, you fail at understanding and you put words on my mouth. Try to read the same post twice to see if you understand it. The bible is nothing more than what mankind wrote about Jesus and God and the other disciples, I prefer to believe in God, then in what people wrote about him, but I do respect the bible, but of course we can't take everything that says there.

tjricardo089

But rather then researching these things we should stop all scientific advancement throw our arms up and say 'God did it'?

Do you even read your posts? I never said anything close as that, I am just saying that science should respect religion instead of coming up with 'theories' that can't even be tested or witnessed.

But that is what science is based upon, its the whole reason behind it.

Science looks at a result and attempts to fine the reasons behind the result. Science ignores religion because there are no results so there is nothing to research. Science disgards religion completely because there is nothing to test.

Science needs a cause religion does not.

Religion is based upon faith, faith lives in the imagination of people, there is nothing to verify.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

Again, you fail at understanding and you put words on my mouth. Try to read the same post twice to see if you understand it. The bible is nothing more than what mankind wrote about Jesus and God and the other disciples, I prefer to believe in God, then in what people wrote about him, but I do respect the bible, but of course we can't take everything that says there.

tjricardo089

But rather then researching these things we should stop all scientific advancement throw our arms up and say 'God did it'?

Do you even read your posts? I never said anything close as that, I am just saying that science should respect religion instead of coming up with 'theories' that can't even be tested or witnessed.

just in case you're serious, I suggest you check out this video, it's interesting and illuminating. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7YV6iIxTJ0

okay, I don't know how to get the link to start from the beginning, but just set the slider to the start of the video and watch the whole thing.

[QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

But rather then researching these things we should stop all scientific advancement throw our arms up and say 'God did it'?

Mordred19

Do you even read your posts? I never said anything close as that, I am just saying that science should respect religion instead of coming up with 'theories' that can't even be tested or witnessed.

just in case you're serious, I suggest you check out this video, it's interesting and illuminating. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7YV6iIxTJ0

"@chiangraiguyI think the three that disliked this are religious people who believe their god created everything.

They believed their god made human 6,000 years ago.

They still hold on the concept of that god made day and night before god made the Sun and Earth.

May their god help them.

[QUOTE="Mordred19"]

[QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

Do you even read your posts? I never said anything close as that, I am just saying that science should respect religion instead of coming up with 'theories' that can't even be tested or witnessed.

parkurtommo

just in case you're serious, I suggest you check out this video, it's interesting and illuminating. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7YV6iIxTJ0

how can anyone know their own position is better unless they have observed the "wrong" position?

I'll just quote something I saw in a brilliant movie called 'The Book of Eli'

It doesn't have to make sense. It's faith, it's faith. It's the flower of light in the field of darkness that's giving me the strength to carry on. You understand?

I don't spend much time thinking in an afterlife, so I don't really lean toward any sort of belief of what might happen then too heavily. But I really feel what happens after death is going to be something that's nowhere near anything anybody that has lived, is living, and will live can ever concieve. That's assuming there is an "us" that remains when our bodies stop functioning of course.

Some of the stuff I'm reading in this thread is making me want to face palm by the way.

[QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"] God cannot answer anything, maybe a religious person's thoughts can.tenaka2

Well, that is your opinion.

I'm afraid that is fact, as god does not talk to anyone he/she cannot indeed answer anything.

You pretty much claiming that the folks at the chruch that I went to are lying... and that is a claim that I bet you going to have a hard time proving.

I'll just quote something I saw in a brilliant movie called 'The Book of Eli'

It doesn't have to make sense. It's faith, it's faith. It's the flower of light in the field of darkness that's giving me the strength to carry on. You understand?

tjricardo089

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

Well, that is your opinion.

alexside1

I'm afraid that is fact, as god does not talk to anyone he/she cannot indeed answer anything.

You pretty much claiming that the folks at the chruch that I went to are lying... and that is a claim that I bet you going to have a hard time proving.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

Well, that is your opinion.

alexside1

I'm afraid that is fact, as god does not talk to anyone he/she cannot indeed answer anything.

You pretty much claiming that the folks at the chruch that I went to are lying... and that is a claim that I bet you going to have a hard time proving.

Its not possible to prove a negative, I doubt very much indeed that anyone at your church claims god popped around for a coffee.

Is also amazingly superb that you mispelt church as chruch, are you on my side?

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

I'm afraid that is fact, as god does not talk to anyone he/she cannot indeed answer anything.

parkurtommo

You pretty much claiming that the folks at the chruch that I went to are lying... and that is a claim that I bet you going to have a hard time proving.

It's complicated. That really depends on what "we" are we referring to. I think it's reasonable to refer "we" as the ones who hasn't experience it.

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="alexside1"]

You pretty much claiming that the folks at the chruch that I went to are lying... and that is a claim that I bet you going to have a hard time proving.

alexside1

It's complicated. That really depends on what "we" are we referring to. I think it's reasonable to refer "we" as the ones who hasn't experience it.

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

I'm afraid that is fact, as god does not talk to anyone he/she cannot indeed answer anything.

tenaka2

You pretty much claiming that the folks at the chruch that I went to are lying... and that is a claim that I bet you going to have a hard time proving.

Its not possible to prove a negative,

You claim it, thus the burden is on you. Don't give me that "you can't prove a negative" bull****, since science itself relies on FALIFICAITON. If the "can't prove a negative" statement your claim is true, then there is no such thing as mistakes, errors, hoax, lies.

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"] How bout this: We don't know if it's true or false.parkurtommo

It's complicated. That really depends on what "we" are we referring to. I think it's reasonable to refer "we" as the ones who hasn't experience it.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

You pretty much claiming that the folks at the chruch that I went to are lying... and that is a claim that I bet you going to have a hard time proving.

alexside1

Its not possible to prove a negative,

the statement you claim is true

Please dont quote mine, either quote my post or dont at all.

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Its not possible to prove a negative,

tenaka2

the statement you claim is true

Please dont quote mine, either quote my post or dont at all.

The rest of your post consist of straw-man, and personal attacks by monking my spelling/grammar errors. I simply ignore them.

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

It's complicated. That really depends on what "we" are we referring to. I think it's reasonable to refer "we" as the ones who hasn't experience it.

alexside1

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

the statement you claim is true

alexside1

Please dont quote mine, either quote my post or dont at all.

The rest of your post consist of straw-man, and personal attacks by monking my spelling/grammar errors. I simply ignore them.

No, the rest of my post consisted of things that you did not wish to reply to, but its its ok, it is not new for people of conviction to ignore the obvious questions.