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#151 ChampionoChumps
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I get the feeling that many of you don't actually know what science is. Science and religion are not the same thing. Religion is outside of the realm of science since it can't be falsified and it is NOT testable. Science can NOT prove or disprove religion. THIS IS A FACT. Science helps to explain the natural world, it is, in itself, a tool. Religion explains the origin (what happened before time? etc.). To me it sounds like you guys are arguing over what you think science and religion should be, not what they actually are. Furthermore, the Big Bang happened (proposed by a Catholic priest btw) it's true, it's a fact, the reason it is called a theory is because there may be more to add onto it. That is the reason things are called theories, just like gravity, evolution, etc. Theories in science do not have the same meaning as that in everyday language. Do you understand?
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#152 alexside1
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[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="parkurtommo"] I find your grammer amusing, it make you a lot easier to believe. /sarcasm

parkurtommo

Do I need to repeat myself to clarify for you or am I missing something here?

No I'm quite neutral about that. I don't really want to question your faith.

Look bud if you think some of it pure ****, then all means provides some evidence and I gladly convert if you want to so badly.

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#153 wis3boi
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[QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"]I get the feeling that many of you don't actually know what science is. Science and religion are not the same thing. Religion is outside of the realm of science since it can't be falsified and it is NOT testable. Science can NOT prove or disprove religion. THIS IS A FACT. Science helps to explain the natural world, it is, in itself, a tool. Religion explains the origin (what happened before time? etc.). To me it sounds like you guys are arguing over what you think science and religion should be, not what they actually are. Furthermore, the Big Bang happened (proposed by a Catholic priest btw) it's true, it's a fact, the reason it is called a theory is because there may be more to add onto it. That is the reason things are called theories, just like gravity, evolution, etc. Theories in science do not have the same meaning as that in everyday language. Do you understand?

Most people don't,sadly, and even this description will fly over their heads I bet.
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#154 alexside1
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[QUOTE="alexside1"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Please dont quote mine, either quote my post or dont at all.

tenaka2

The rest of your post consist of straw-man, and personal attacks by monking my spelling/grammar errors. I simply ignore them.

No

I am so amaze by your refutation that you say no and revert to personal attacks. Further more, it's not quote mining when I ignore your personal attacks.

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#155 tenaka2
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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

The rest of your post consist of straw-man, and personal attacks by monking my spelling/grammar errors. I simply ignore them.

alexside1

No

I am so amaze by your refutation that you say no and revert to personal attacks. Further more, it's not quote mining when I ignore your personal attacks.

if you can't respond, you shouldnt quote mine, its not a personal attack, as there is nothing to attack.

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#156 parkurtommo
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This thread is lost :?

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#157 alexside1
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[QUOTE="alexside1"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

No

tenaka2

I am so amaze by your refutation that you say no and revert to personal attacks. Further more, it's not quote mining when I ignore your personal attacks.

if you can't respond, you shouldnt quote mine, its not a personal attack, as there is nothing to attack.

I am not quote mining when I'm ignoring your personal attacks. You attacking the person itself instead of attacking the claim that I made. The question of the person is entire irrevlent, and a lousy attempt to discredit the argument by attacking the person instead of the argument. My stance dose not make my argument go belly up.

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#158 ChampionoChumps
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[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"]I get the feeling that many of you don't actually know what science is. Science and religion are not the same thing. Religion is outside of the realm of science since it can't be falsified and it is NOT testable. Science can NOT prove or disprove religion. THIS IS A FACT. Science helps to explain the natural world, it is, in itself, a tool. Religion explains the origin (what happened before time? etc.). To me it sounds like you guys are arguing over what you think science and religion should be, not what they actually are. Furthermore, the Big Bang happened (proposed by a Catholic priest btw) it's true, it's a fact, the reason it is called a theory is because there may be more to add onto it. That is the reason things are called theories, just like gravity, evolution, etc. Theories in science do not have the same meaning as that in everyday language. Do you understand?

Most people don't,sadly, and even this description will fly over their heads I bet.

I know it won't. When the truth isn't in favor of someones bias they will likely ignore it and not accept it. I know we are all biased but it's best to keep an open mind about things. Like I said earlier, I am a devout Christian, but I can accept what science is. It in no way is trying to refute religion, even if it is evident that more people leaning towards a more "scientific" thinking will refute religion.
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#159 tenaka2
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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] I am so amaze by your refutation that you say no and revert to personal attacks. Further more, it's not quote mining when I ignore your personal attacks.

alexside1

if you can't respond, you shouldnt quote mine, its not a personal attack, as there is nothing to attack.

I am not quote mining when I'm ignoring your personal attacks. You attacking the person itself instead of attacking the claim that I made. The question of the person is entire irrevlent, and a lousy attempt to discredit the argument by attacking the person instead of the argument. My stance dose not make my argument go belly up.

You havn't posted an argument, if you have an argument it would be good to hear it.

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#160 alexside1
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[QUOTE="alexside1"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

if you can't respond, you shouldnt quote mine, its not a personal attack, as there is nothing to attack.

tenaka2

I am not quote mining when I'm ignoring your personal attacks. You attacking the person itself instead of attacking the claim that I made. The question of the person is entire irrevlent, and a lousy attempt to discredit the argument by attacking the person instead of the argument. My stance dose not make my argument go belly up.

You havn't posted an argument, if you have an argument it would be good to hear it.

I just did and you ignore it. Go back and reread it again.

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#161 dom2000
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Science and religion cant co-exist? Its funny the more we know about the science the more a divine creator (God) seems more likely! Certainly more likely than the one in a absolutely ridiculous number that you would have to accept if the universe was made completely due to chance!
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#162 tenaka2
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Science and religion cant co-exist? Its funny the more we know about the science the more a divine creator (God) seems more likely! Certainly more likely than the one in a absolutely ridiculous number that you would have to accept if the universe was made completely due to chance!dom2000

Its really a shame you have things totally backward, the more we learn the less we need god.

We know why the sun rises now, we need not fear it.

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#163 dom2000
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[QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"] there's a reason behind it. Science says when it is unsure of something, and then goes ahead and tests it over a long period of time. The religious side of things says "Believe as I say, never question it."tenaka2

Oh really? Then let me say some things that science said as "Believe as I say, never question it."

1 ) Where did everything came from?
2 ) Why is there something instead of nothing?
3 ) Why did the Big Bang happen?
4 ) How long ago did the Big Bang happen?
5 ) If we went back in a time machine and watched the Big Bang, what would it look like?
6 ) If everything is expanding, what is it expanding into?
7 ) Is there more than one universe?
8 ) Is time travel possible?
9 ) What is reality?
10 ) Where was I before I was born?
11 ) What was before the Big Bang?

Keep an open mind, the answers you find yourself in books are 'what we think we know right now'. But that doesn't mean there isn't a better explanation.

Are you suggesting that the answers to all these questions (all of which by the way have been raised by scientists) have been answered by a book writen by sheep hearders 2000 years ago?

The more posts of yours I read the more I find it very unlikely that you where ever a catholic! Sheep hearders? Lol really? I suggest you go read the letters written by St Paul and then honesty tell me he has the language of a simple sheep hearder? He is very a clearly an very well educated man. And no the bible does not answer those questions directly, it just tells us, amongst other things, the world and universe was made by God. Science gives us an understanding of HOW God made the world and universe!

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#164 solidruss
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Everyone go outside and punch a tree... seriously.