Agree or disagree? Adolf **** was one of the greatest leaders in history?

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#1 WestSideAzn
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What do you guys believe? I would agree because he was able to lead Germany to a new beginning, and built the roads that are still being used today, and was able to get Germany back on its feet after World War I and its reparations. He got Germany to last through the war and be a strong opponent despite its lack of resources and minimal amount of soldiers compared to the Allies. He was also a very VERY persuasive speaker. That's just a jist of it. I just want to know what others think.

I request that there is no flaming, as this is an open-minded thread.

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Factually he would have to be a great leader, but idealogically he isn't.
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#3 freek666
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Agreed. He was a great leader and a war hero (WWI), you cant deny that. Just his personal politics are a bit iffy.
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#4 BiancaDK
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He was above average. I wouldnt say he was great tho. He lacked retrospection in a big way.
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#5 -Jiggles-
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Adolf Hitler was an intelligent, charismatic and very inspiring leader... for all the wrong reasons.
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he was a smart man but he went insane
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*Hail Hitler great Leader, War Hero, good views on women and Animals!

great Author!

he was Da Man!

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[QUOTE="sAndroid17"]

*Hail Hitler great Leader, War Hero, good views on women and Animals!

great Author!

he was Da Man!

that *hail hitler really grinds my eyes. sigh.
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#9 aliblabla2007
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As a Leader, he was great; as far as his idealogies went, he was a piece of ****.
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It's quite worrying that people insist on going against the current by agreeing with crap like this. NO he was not a great man, he destroyed his country.
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It's quite worrying that people insist on going against the current by agreeing with crap like this. NO he was not a great man, he destroyed his country.jointed
How about trying to be very open-minded about the topic? I'm in no way endorsing his crimes against humanity, but putting it in perspective, he was a great leader in many ways.
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[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="sAndroid17"]

*Hail Hitler great Leader, War Hero, good views on women and Animals!

great Author!

he was Da Man!

that *hail hitler really grinds my eyes. sigh.

we are being open minded, remember:P
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#13 AAllxxjjnn
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Hilter.....was probably the worst thing ever.
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#14 Floppy_Jim
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He was a great leader until around 1942-3 when everything started to go wrong. Well, for Germany, I mean.
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#15 CptJSparrow
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What makes someone a great leader? He did not do much good for Germany in the end...
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#16 noswear
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He was clever, charismatic and good at getting what he wanted done done. Unfortunately for him Germany was just not the superpower it needed to be.
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[QUOTE="WestSideAzn"] How about trying to be very open-minded about the topic? I'm in no way endorsing his crimes against humanity, but putting it in perspective, he was a great leader in many ways.

In what way? And, no he wasn't a great leader.
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#18 biggest_loser
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A great leader should be someone who benefits humanity. Not only was this guy responsible for the murder of 6 million Jews but he was (eventually) an incompetent tyrant and General - he was trying to move armies that didn't even exist!!
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[QUOTE="jointed"]It's quite worrying that people insist on going against the current by agreeing with crap like this. NO he was not a great man, he destroyed his country.WestSideAzn
How about trying to be very open-minded about the topic? I'm in no way endorsing his crimes against humanity, but putting it in perspective, he was a great leader in many ways.

Your are aware of how his welfare state functioned right? The Germans took the property of jews and poles to fund it. Everyone's talking about how he pulled Germany up from the depression, but no one is talking about how he went about his. He created ridiculously large social programs that were impossible to fund properly. In the summer of 1938 the federal budget was in tatters...so the Nazis set their sights on Poland.
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[QUOTE="sAndroid17"][QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="sAndroid17"]

*Hail Hitler great Leader, War Hero, good views on women and Animals!

great Author!

he was Da Man!

that *hail hitler really grinds my eyes. sigh.

we are being open minded, remember:P

Yeah i know, and i concider myself an open-minded kind of person, but "hail hitler/heil hitler hits home on me whenever i hear or read it, for personal reasons. Sorry, ill stop the QQ.
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#21 UNHOLY_basic
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No. I disagree with everything he believes in.
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#22 esbastica
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he burned down the whole world for his wills. i like that in a man,
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#23 Cherokee_Jack
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He couldn't lead for s**t. He was pretty good at swaying public opinion and building up an army, but not much else.
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#24 WestSideAzn
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If I may, I would like to include an essay describing what another person thinks of Hitler '

In my opinion, being a good leader firstly he should be able to take full advantage of favorable circumstance, able to rule the country under a chaotic situation. Besides he made attractive promises to gain popular support, skilled in using of propaganda, amoral. Moreover he should have the organizational ability and has the ambition to make his country powerful in the world. In addition, he could use his words to twist and manipulate the minds of people into believing that what he was saying. Using this power, he could get people to do anything for him, which prove his amorality.

He should be skillful in carry out successful policy to bring the country to economic prospect, since economy is very important to a country. I think Adolf Hitler is the one. Adolf Hitler was one of the 20th century's most powerful dictators. He was responsible for World War II and the death of millions. Hitler saw a nation in despair and used this as an opportunity to gain political power.

He saw a nation of unemployed and hungry citizens and promised them economic prosperity in return for absolute power. Someone once said "The Nazis rose to power on the empty stomachs of the German people". Although he did not live a very long life, during his time he caused such a great deal of death and destruction that his actions still have an effect on the world nearly 50 years later. I am sure that he is a great leader. Adolf Hitler joined a small political party in 1919 and rose to leadership through his emotional and captivating speeches. He encouraged national pride, militarism, and a commitment to the Volk and a racially "pure" Germany. Hitler condemned the Jews, exploiting anti-Semitic feelings that had prevailed in Europe for centuries.

He changed the name of the party to the National Socialist German Workers' Party, called for short, the Nazi Party. By the end of 1920, the Nazi Party had about 3,000 members. A year later Hitler became its official leader Führer. From this, we can see his potential of being a leader and his development in his propaganda. In about 1923 Adolf Hitler's attempt at an armed overthrow of local authorities in Munich, known as the Beer Hall Putsch, failed miserably. Hitler were subsequently jailed and charged with high treason. However, Hitler used the courtroom at his public trial as a propaganda platform, ranting for hours against the Weimar government. Hitler was released from prison after one year. Other Nazi leaders were given light sentences also.

While in prison, Hitler wrote volume one of Mein Kampf. This shows how he good at making speech to the people. After Hitler was released from prison, he formally resurrected the Nazi Party. Hitler began rebuilding and reorganizing the Party, waiting for an opportune time to gain political power in Germany. At that time, Germany was already suffering a post-war depression and was greatly affected. Hitler used the suffering of the masses to gain political support. He gained a strong following from the middle class, the workers and the unemployed by promising to improve the economy. As economic conditions worsened, the Nazis gained more support. Hitler staged huge rallies and parades. His speeches called for a strong and proud Germany. He attacked the Jews, making them the scapegoats for all of Germany's economic troubles. His energy on stage and his motivational style of speaking made the masses believe that they were the master race and destined to rule the world. With the fall of Stresemann, the Nazi party became the largest party in the Reichstag. In1933, Hitler was appointed as the Chancellor.

This is the evidence of getting people support although there were still many opponents. He promised stability, glory, economic security, the suppression of communism and employment. He satisfied the need of different classes. Actually he is able to take full advantage of favorable circumstances created by the WWI. After he became the Chancellor, he controlled the mass media and the textbook, all German books, plays, film and art were strictly censored. Also at that time, all German youth had to join the Hitler Youth Movement to learn Nazi ideas. On the other hand, the German workers were forced to join the German Labour Front instead of trade unions. Other religious beliefs were all banned. Moreover, Hitler formed the Gestapo to supervise the life of the German ordinary people. Complaints against the government were illegal. Under Hitler's rule, Germany became a police state. From the above, we can see he could use his words to twist and manipulate the minds of people into believing that what he was saying. With Hitler such amoral people and willing to do anything, he would do what he could to benefit his countries, Germany. He started with suspended all civil liberties and used violence to crush all opposition.

He actually started to carry out his promise of economic recovery by employing people in war industries as Germany prepared for war. He introduced pupil project schemes like housing scheme, road construction to absorb the unemployment. The Nazi removed the Jews, Communism and other enemies from their present employment to create vacancies for the German. Besides, he promised to rebuild the Glorious Germany of the past. First he started to build up the Wehrmacht. Germany was not allowed to have more than 100,000 men, but Hitler broke the treaty and gave orders to increase that number. Factories started putting out weapons and people now had jobs. To the Germans this was a very good sign.

Mass rallies were held, where Hitler continued to use his powers of speech on the German people. Hitler succeeded in making his countries strong once again, at least for a while and he was skillful in carry out successful policy to bring the country to economic prospect . As he was not self interested and always considered the country first. He want to expand Germany in order to raise the nation status of Germany, he carried out the aggressive expansionist policy. Germany withdrew from the League of Nation and began to violate the Versailles Settlement by rearming the country in secret. In 1936, Italy and Germany jointly intervened in the Spanish Civil War. Later on, Hitler and Mussolini signed the Berlin-Rome Axis with Italy. In March 1938 German troops occupied Austria, which was a German speaking state.

In march 1939, another German-populated area, the Stdetenland of Czechoslovakia, was occupied by Germany. In September 1939, Germany invaded Poland to enlarge her German territory. Again we can see Hitler's organizational ability and the ambition to make his country powerful in the world. Adolf Hitler was a great leader; his overall success must be attributed to the conditions, which existed in Post War Germany, and Hitler's great talent as a speaker and a politician. His rise to power was not inevitable, it must be noted that he greatly used the conditions of the time in his favor. The power that he held was total .he was gifted in the ability to use propaganda and brainwash people, which in turn proves that he was unethical, and desired to make his countries better and stronger. As Germany can recovered so soon after the WW1 and joined the WWII, Hitler contributed a lot. Therefore, he was a great leader .'

-Source: http://www.planetpapers.com/Assets/2794.php

*Paragraphs now added. I apologize for that*

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^ You could have added some paragraphs.
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*wall o text*WestSideAzn
My eyes...they bleed...just from scrolling...:cry:
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Maybe, but he made a couple stupid desicions that made germany lose the war. 1. They had the entire British army stranded on Dunkirk island, with his panzer tanks within range, but Hitler wanted to make is look really good, so he had them wait for his Lufftwaffa to come and air bomb them. While they were waiting, they rescued ALL of the soldiers, while the tanks looked on helplessy. 2. Hitler had lost a lot of sleep at one time, and demanded that nothing happen whil he slept, and that for no matter what he be woken up. I forget exactly what happened, but if he had been awake, they would have been alot better of. 3. Germany started by bombing British air fields, but Hitler was very angry with British civillians, I think for the resiliance, so he ordered constant attacks on London, but the citizens were able to survive by staying underground in subways, and in shelters. While this was happening, Britain was able to re-build its air force. If he didn't do these things, they could have won the war, hypothetically. I have learned that the only good thing he did was surround himself with great leaders. He was very motivational though.
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he burned down the whole world for his wills. i like that in a man,esbastica

I strangely agree. Anyway his ideals were pathetic and disgraceful, a human being like that should never be allowed to function. I don't remotely think he was a 'great' leader in comparison to many other men from our history.

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He was a great manipulator, you can sometimes consider that a great leader if the effects of that persons reign ultimately have positive effect. Cyrus, Genghis Khan, and Alexander are great leaders, they may have caused much destruction and death but the effects during and after there reigns had very positive effects on many things outside of there own countries, culture, trade, etc.
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[QUOTE="esbastica"]he burned down the whole world for his wills. i like that in a man,Swannzie

I strangely agree. Anyway his ideals were pathetic and disgraceful, a human being like that should never be allowed to function. I don't remotely think he was a 'great' leader in comparison to many others men from our history.

Men like?
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[QUOTE="Swannzie"]

[QUOTE="esbastica"]he burned down the whole world for his wills. i like that in a man,jointed

I strangely agree. Anyway his ideals were pathetic and disgraceful, a human being like that should never be allowed to function. I don't remotely think he was a 'great' leader in comparison to many others men from our history.

Men like?

Winston Churchill, Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Genghis Khan, Alexander amongst others. These men actually changed things in their own ways and created a somewhat better future (arguably apart from Khan and Alexander) whereas Hitler had nothing but twisted notions of supremacy. I agree with the people here that he was smart, but he wasn't a 'great' leader - not by a longshot.

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Greatest leader? Maybe he was skilled and off-course a lunatic and a immoral person (he had sexual relationship with a niece of his). But the difference between a skilled and a great person is huge.

Ultimately, it doesn't matter how skilled you are but what you use your skills for. If you use your skills to help others, then you are agreat person; if you use them to destroy the opposition with extreme attrocities then you are a skilled but horrible person. In other words: a skilled criminal.

Hitler was not much better than a person who fanaticises others in order to serve his lunatic mind. That's not the definition of effective leaderhip, it's fanaticism.

It wouldn't be wrong to say that it was his lunacy (seen as immense passion for his cause by some) that made people believe in him.

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No he wasn't good.
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I don't think that you can really deny that Hitler was one of the greatest leaders in modern history. He made jobs, he was loved by his people, he took a collasped country and made it into a superpower at the time. However, at the same token, Hitler was a monster, was sadistic, a murderer, and was paranoid. His leadership skills were top notch, but his actions were far from it.
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I don't think that you can really deny that Hitler was one of the greatest leaders in modern history. He made jobs, he was loved by his people, he took a collasped country and made it into a superpower at the time. However, at the same token, Hitler was a monster, was sadistic, a murderer, and was paranoid. His leadership skills were top notch, but his actions were far from it.Legendaryscmt
I dont expect political figures to create jobs, being loved dosent make a difference since majority opinion dosent = correct, the methods in doing so were bound to crack at one time or another. political leadership shouldnt be judged by charisma, but rather core beliefs.
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[QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]I don't think that you can really deny that Hitler was one of the greatest leaders in modern history. He made jobs, he was loved by his people, he took a collasped country and made it into a superpower at the time. However, at the same token, Hitler was a monster, was sadistic, a murderer, and was paranoid. His leadership skills were top notch, but his actions were far from it.UNHOLY_basic
I dont expect political figures to create jobs, being loved dosent make a difference since majority opinion dosent = correct, the methods in doing so were bound to crack at one time or another. political leadership shouldnt be judged by charisma, but rather core beliefs.

But, he turned Germany around from the breaking point. Putting more emphasis on the military lead to more production, where more jobs were created. Besides, in todays world, is there a political figure out there that the majority of a country looks up to and praises?

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[QUOTE="UNHOLY_basic"][QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]I don't think that you can really deny that Hitler was one of the greatest leaders in modern history. He made jobs, he was loved by his people, he took a collasped country and made it into a superpower at the time. However, at the same token, Hitler was a monster, was sadistic, a murderer, and was paranoid. His leadership skills were top notch, but his actions were far from it.Legendaryscmt

I dont expect political figures to create jobs, being loved dosent make a difference since majority opinion dosent = correct, the methods in doing so were bound to crack at one time or another. political leadership shouldnt be judged by charisma, but rather core beliefs.

But, he turned Germany around from the breaking point. Putting more emphasis on the military lead to more production, where more jobs were created. Besides, in todays world, is there a political figure out there that the majority of a country looks up to and praises?

But the results don't justify the means!
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[QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]

[QUOTE="UNHOLY_basic"] I dont expect political figures to create jobs, being loved dosent make a difference since majority opinion dosent = correct, the methods in doing so were bound to crack at one time or another. political leadership shouldnt be judged by charisma, but rather core beliefs.Teenaged

But, he turned Germany around from the breaking point. Putting more emphasis on the military lead to more production, where more jobs were created. Besides, in todays world, is there a political figure out there that the majority of a country looks up to and praises?

But the results don't justify the means!

But we're talking about was he a good leader? Of course Hitler was a terrible person, but what he did in beginning was incredible. He turned one of the worst countries economically into one of the world's superpowers at the time.

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[QUOTE="Teenaged"][QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]

But, he turned Germany around from the breaking point. Putting more emphasis on the military lead to more production, where more jobs were created. Besides, in todays world, is there a political figure out there that the majority of a country looks up to and praises?

Legendaryscmt

But the results don't justify the means!

But we're talking about was he a good leader? Of course Hitler was a terrible person, but what he did in beginning was incredible. He turned one of the worst countries economically into one of the world's superpowers at the time.

He was skilled as a leader that's true but when someone reaches to a point that he does what hitler did, it doesn't matter any more, since you know how many people were sacrificed in the cause of making Germany great whilst teaching the worst racism examples ever!

I am the leader of a country and to make my country great I decide to eliminate everyone around my country (because they got the oil, the metals, the gold, the fertile lands and I justify my cause by saying : "my countries people are geneticaly superior and we deserve what you have and shouldn't have in the first place". As I said he was skilled but a skilled arrogant criminal.

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[QUOTE="UNHOLY_basic"][QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]I don't think that you can really deny that Hitler was one of the greatest leaders in modern history. He made jobs, he was loved by his people, he took a collasped country and made it into a superpower at the time. However, at the same token, Hitler was a monster, was sadistic, a murderer, and was paranoid. His leadership skills were top notch, but his actions were far from it.Legendaryscmt

I dont expect political figures to create jobs, being loved dosent make a difference since majority opinion dosent = correct, the methods in doing so were bound to crack at one time or another. political leadership shouldnt be judged by charisma, but rather core beliefs.

But, he turned Germany around from the breaking point. Putting more emphasis on the military lead to more production, where more jobs were created. Besides, in todays world, is there a political figure out there that the majority of a country looks up to and praises?

The way Hitler spent money just set germany up for a massive fail one way or another. Its relatively easy for a largely colelctivist nation to get initial growth, but they almost always come tumbling down. Fascism has a lot of the same economic calculation errors that socialism has.
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He couldn't lead for s**t. He was pretty good at swaying public opinion and building up an army, but not much else.Cherokee_Jack
If you got the power to influence the masses, you can lead pretty well, even if it is for all the right reasons.
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#42 btaylor2404
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By uniting Germany in what turned out to be a horrible, horrible cause the answer would have to be yes. And emphatically so, to get that many people to turn a blind eye to what was going on.
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#43 Whicker89
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He did great things(not in the sense of good) but he wasnt a great leader, great leaders dont have their own officers trying to kill them
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#44 freshgman
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he made germany powerful. they were fighting everyone on their own and could have won
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#45 JustPlainLucas
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No, not at all. He may have been intelligent and motivated, but his incessant need for genocide pretty much prevents me from classifying him as a great leader. A "great" leader can build up his country and people by not sucking the blood from another people. If Hitler was so damn great and intelligent, he could have found another way.
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#46 lancelot200
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Jews and the others were also citizens so he failed to be a leader to the whole population. He was selective.
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#47 GTR2addict
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he was a good, maybe great leader, from a national view point, in a morale sense, no
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#48 ffaf666
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despite starting ww2 and killing people because of their religion, there isnt much people that can turn a country which was facing a collapsing economy into a strong military power
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#49 THE_DRUGGIE
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He had a lot of talent as a public speaker, leader, and soldier. Its a shame his heart wasn't in the right place.

Imagine if he didn't go through with his Holocaust ideas and focused on creating stuff that was more like the Autobahn. It would be wierd to not see him as evil...

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#50 FUBAR24
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On paper he was the greatest leader the world has ever seen...in practice though he was an idiot