Agree or disagree? Adolf **** was one of the greatest leaders in history?

I'd like to make a proposition. From this point on, not a single Hitler did such and such that was great" (usually something to do with reversing the German economical situation) post without also posting a counter to the point that his solution was a deeply flawed one that had a snowball's chance in Death Valley of lasting for more than a few years before going to war was necessary. And we all know how that turned out.

Anyone making a simple Hitler was a great leader because he fixed the German economy" post from this point on, we can safely assume you either have not read the thread, only the first post, posted your statement and left without reading anything else, or you simply choose to ignore the point.

I'd like to make a proposition. From this point on, not a single Hitler did such and such that was great (usually something to do with reversing the German economical situation) without also posting a counter to the point that his solution was a deeply flawed one that had a snowball's chance in Death Valley of lasting for more than a few years before going to war was necessary. And we all know how that turned out. Anyone making a simple Hitler was a great leader because he fixed the German economy" post from this point on, we can safely assume you either have not read the thread, only the first post, posted your statement and left without reading anything else, or you simply choose to ignore the point.Axrendale

If he wasnt crazy and was born a little bit later he could have been the worlds greatest motivational speaker, imagine thatLief_Ericson

Hitler was not a great man, but that does not exclude him from being a great leader. Listen: The Nazi Party, under Hitler's leadership, committed horrible crimes against humanity. That's well established. There is also little doubt as to the man's public speaking ability. He appealed to peoples' emotions and played on them, offering them a new era of German life. Using the media, he certainly had a talent for rallying support for his twisted movement. In this, he was a very talented leader. StrawberryHill

[QUOTE="Lief_Ericson"]If he wasnt crazy and was born a little bit later he could have been the worlds greatest motivational speaker, imagine thatAxrendale

But just imagine if he had his own show helping people like lose weight or something lol :)

EDIT: and i said "Motivational" not "Influential"

[QUOTE="StrawberryHill"]Hitler was not a great man, but that does not exclude him from being a great leader. Listen: The Nazi Party, under Hitler's leadership, committed horrible crimes against humanity. That's well established. There is also little doubt as to the man's public speaking ability. He appealed to peoples' emotions and played on them, offering them a new era of German life. Using the media, he certainly had a talent for rallying support for his twisted movement. In this, he was a very talented leader. MaddenBowler10

Which is not mutually exclusive from being an effective leader. Blah, blah, blah.

Hitler was an AMAZING leader. The Culteral, political, scienitific and economic changes he brought to Germany still ring in the country today. He told the people of Germany what they wanted to hear, so therefore they followed him and loved him.

What brought Hitler to his knees was the idea that he could conquer the world. He had a massive resentment towards many of the worlds people and disposed of them in cruel and inhumane ways. But despite all of this, Hitler was the epitome of a strong, detirmined, and charasmatic leader.

I'd like to make a proposition. From this point on, not a single Hitler did such and such that was great" (usually something to do with reversing the German economical situation) post without also posting a counter to the point that his solution was a deeply flawed one that had a snowball's chance in Death Valley of lasting for more than a few years before going to war was necessary. And we all know how that turned out.

Anyone making a simple Hitler was a great leader because he fixed the German economy" post from this point on, we can safely assume you either have not read the thread, only the first post, posted your statement and left without reading anything else, or you simply choose to ignore the point.

I'd say he's one of the greatest public speakers in history. Leader-wise, he did a good job simply because he had everything under his control and people would obey his commands. But since he abused his power and killed millions of people, I can't consider him to be one of the greatest leaders in history. A great leader wouldn't abuse their power to kill off a large part of the country's population especially if the reasons for killing the people were purely personal. A great leader would do whatever in his/her power to prevent stuff like genocide and racial and religious discrimination from happening.

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I'd like to make a proposition. From this point on, not a single Hitler did such and such that was great" (usually something to do with reversing the German economical situation) post without also posting a counter to the point that his solution was a deeply flawed one that had a snowball's chance in Death Valley of lasting for more than a few years before going to war was necessary. And we all know how that turned out.

Anyone making a simple Hitler was a great leader because he fixed the German economy" post from this point on, we can safely assume you either have not read the thread, only the first post, posted your statement and left without reading anything else, or you simply choose to ignore the point.

Axrendale

I attempted to read your post but there were quite a few gramatical errors. Try to fix those up so you can voice your opinion:)

I'd like to make a proposition. From this point on, not a single Hitler did such and such that was great" (usually something to do with reversing the German economical situation) post without also posting a counter to the point that his solution was a deeply flawed one that had a snowball's chance in Death Valley of lasting for more than a few years before going to war was necessary. And we all know how that turned out.

Anyone making a simple Hitler was a great leader because he fixed the German economy" post from this point on, we can safely assume you either have not read the thread, only the first post, posted your statement and left without reading anything else, or you simply choose to ignore the point.

Axrendale

This can also be substituted for the Soviet command economy :P.

Hilter.....was probably the worst thing ever.AAllxxjjnn

I'd like to make a proposition. From this point on, not a single Hitler did such and such that was great" (usually something to do with reversing the German economical situation) post without also posting a counter to the point that his solution was a deeply flawed one that had a snowball's chance in Death Valley of lasting for more than a few years before going to war was necessary. And we all know how that turned out.

Anyone making a simple Hitler was a great leader because he fixed the German economy" post from this point on, we can safely assume you either have not read the thread, only the first post, posted your statement and left without reading anything else, or you simply choose to ignore the point.

I attempted to read your post but there were quite a few gramatical errors. Try to fix those up so you can voice your opinion:)

I will take the Fable approach, greatness is not measure by good or evil. Thus, he was a great leader. He killed the Jews, which is bad, but he lead a country from a point of despair, which makes him a really good leader... but with some bad policies. If that makes any sense?

He was a smart man, but he was also a despicable man. I don't know how people actually look up to the guy...-Halftime-

I don't know if he was all that smart. He made very shoddy decisions during the war, some of which probably ended up costing him everything he had.

u guys do understand it wasnt ONLY jews? dear lord.MaddenBowler10

[QUOTE="MaddenBowler10"]u guys do understand it wasnt ONLY jews? dear lord.GTA_dude

ok sure Hitler did help out Germany in many ways. but the fact that he committed such crimes against humanity completely covers up his good actions. you seem to be stressing the good things Hitler did a little too much...morpheusnj

If we want to blame anyone for Hitler's rise in power, I blame England. While he was annexing Austria, crossing the Rhine and invading land claiming Germans still lived there, they stood by and did nothing.

I love the lack of historical accuracy in this thread :)

Firstly, Adolph Hitler was not smart - he was driven. You only need to read his book to understand that.

Secondly, Adolph Hitler destroyed opposition partys and abolished democracy. Jews or no jews, that isn't good.

Thirdly, He started the Second World War. Germany was completely destroyed, and their loss ultimately attributed to the Berlin Wall's creation.

Finally, He so that schools so that girls were encouraged to accept a more traditional role (i.e. Sit at home and make babies), children were taught that blacks, slavs, homosexuals and jews were inferior, and children were rewarded for telling the school about conversations that their parents had (i.e."I don't like the Nazi government")

Hitler in many cases was lucky. He tried to take Germany by force (and failed badly). And basically won by default because the weakness (or supposed weakness) of the Weinmar government.

He was NOT a good leader and in many ways a weak dicatator.

[QUOTE="morpheusnj"]ok sure Hitler did help out Germany in many ways. but the fact that he committed such crimes against humanity completely covers up his good actions. you seem to be stressing the good things Hitler did a little too much...freek666

If we want to blame anyone for Hitler's rise in power, I blame England. While he was annexing Austria, crossing the Rhine and invading land claiming Germans still lived there, they stood by and did nothing.

Finally, He so that schools so that girls were encouraged to accept a more traditional role (i.e. Sit at home and make babies), children were taught that blacks, slavs, homosexuals and jews were inferior,

Stumpt25

Like in America, yes? ;)

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Finally, He so that schools so that girls were encouraged to accept a more traditional role (i.e. Sit at home and make babies), children were taught that blacks, slavs, homosexuals and jews were inferior,

freek666

Like in America, yes? ;)

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Finally, He so that schools so that girls were encouraged to accept a more traditional role (i.e. Sit at home and make babies), children were taught that blacks, slavs, homosexuals and jews were inferior,

Stumpt25

Like in America, yes? ;)

*flies into the sky*

What i want to say, i dont want to say because ill get modded. However, i agree, he was a great leader.Mudcake_Mad

[QUOTE="Mudcake_Mad"]What i want to say, i dont want to say because ill get modded. However, i agree, he was a great leader.Stumpt25

I wouldn't say "great leader" but rather "skillful politician". His speeches were only powerful because he told the German civilians what they wanted to hear. He managed to, through bullying and subversive tactics, manage to establish a dictatorship by exploiting the democratic system in place and during the pre-war and the early years of the war to bring Germany completely under his thumb. Sure there were the odd rebellious group but he managed to bring almost all of young people into the Nazi youth organisations so that if his Reich had lasted he would have the next generations all thinking like good little Nazis.AnObscureName

A quick historical comparison question for you: who here would say Ancient Roman emperors Nero and Caligula were great leaders?Axrendale

[QUOTE="AnObscureName"]I wouldn't say "great leader" but rather "skillful politician". His speeches were only powerful because he told the German civilians what they wanted to hear. He managed to, through bullying and subversive tactics, manage to establish a dictatorship by exploiting the democratic system in place and during the pre-war and the early years of the war to bring Germany completely under his thumb. Sure there were the odd rebellious group but he managed to bring almost all of young people into the Nazi youth organisations so that if his Reich had lasted he would have the next generations all thinking like good little Nazis.Axrendale