aliens are not real

They could have the power to bend space and time if they are so advanced .

dontshackzmii

Who says they are advanced?

[QUOTE="FFCYAN"]Common sense dictates that the mere size of the universe itself will provide near infinite possibilities for life to form. You don't need exact numbers or a chart of statistics to formulate that concept.

MrGeezer

"Common sense" is worthless in regards to claims of empirical fact. It's either true or it isn't, but common sense has nothing to do with it. Common sense is often just plain WRONG.

And secondly, all indications are that the universe is NOT infinitely large. That it has a finite size. If that is the case, then there are definitely NOT infinite opportunities for life to form. There would indeed be limited opportunities for life to form. And depending on the likelihood of abiogenesis occurring (again, something that we have no idea about), then it's entirely possible that the existence of alien life is the more UNlikely scenario.

The fact is, at this point nobody knows. So I think that everyone needs to stop being so damn sure about this stuff until there's sufficient evidence to come to a reasonable conclusion.

finally a voice of reason

[QUOTE="Rekunta"]

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

The funny thing is that while the TC's reasoning is laughable, it's not any worse than what people tend to spout as absolute fact.

People act like there MUST be aliens, despite having just as little to go on.

MrGeezer

Yea, but viewed from statistical probability, given the amount of galaxies and stars out there, I think those who believe there to be life have the numbers on their side. Not fact, but statistically more likely.

That depends ENTIRELY on the statistical probability of abiogenesis occurring in the first place. And that's a COMPLETE unknown.

I don't see how abiogenesis is pertinent to discussing whether or not life exists out there somewhere when it already exists here. Isn't that proof enough, given the amount of space out there, that there's a good chance of life existing elsewhere, regardless of how it came to be in the first place? How life came to be is really irrelevant to the issue at hand; we already know that it's possible. That aside, all it comes down to is probability.

The universe chooses order over chaos. It also works in cycles, both circularly(literally) and in consistent patterns and behaviors. Life works the same way with birth, death and rebirth.

Everything that has happened can happen again, simply because it already did.

FFCYAN

Is that the case? Because I was under the impression that disorder continually DECREASES in a closed system.

[QUOTE="FFCYAN"]The universe chooses order over chaos. It also works in cycles, both circularly(literally) and in consistent patterns and behaviors. Life works the same way with birth, death and rebirth.

Everything that has happened can happen again, simply because it already did.

MrGeezer

Is that the case? Because I was under the impression that disorder continually DECREASES in a closed system.

That is to say, INCREASES. I don't know why Gamespot got rid of the "edit" feature.

You see TC that is where you are wrong. You are mistaken alien life with intelligent alien life. Alien life damn near guaranteed.

You need an alien knocking on your door who traveled light years to visit you just to have proof of life else where? Or that is some kind of proof aliens don't exist? IF you can travel VAST distances of space with absolute ease, why would you ever interact with a primitive species? If they have the capability of traveling on a an interstellar or even larger intergalactic, you think they need to hover, abduct or visit you to get a real understanding of humanity? I SERIOUSLY doubt that.

You underestimate just how advanced they need to be to cut travel time through space. If it is even possible, humanity is FAR from that era. Were bumbling around with wars and people who think alien life is nonexistent, you think they need to knock on your door to understand you? HAHA! GOOD ONE!

You can go on thinking there isn't other life in the Universe, that sounds like a stupid point of view to have.

Human-after-all

I like this post, its insightful and right on point.

One of the other things ive not seen mentioned is... why would aliens broadcast their signals into space, like we do? Scientists some time ago assumed that the progrssion of intelligent life would 'naturally' go through similar technologal periods that we do. I recall Michio Kaku saying that SETI are still playing by that rule and not appreciating that it would be more likley that advanced alien species would be using multiple bands to overcome interference through space in the signal. Also given that radio waves would be useless to a space faring race, again, its pretty much a dead end avenue espcially when looking to seek forms of proof through SETI.

In addition, I've always been one to think broadcasting isn't such a wise idea anyway. And the pioneer plaques were an even worse move. I see space as the most dangerous 'jungle' immaginable. I think other races who have more knowledge are fully aware of this and don't necessarily wish to attract unwanted attention. So, they remain pretty much silent in the main.

At this stage in human development, I'd say that we are in a childlike state, tantrums, stupid arguments escalating into fights, wasteful of resources and selfishness, all on a global scale to me, just serves to demonstrate a lot of this. I'm not saying that Alien's are necessarilty morally superior, but a lot of what we do makes no sense as is based off pride and human emotions enlarged to the international stage.

Whats the point of my ramble? Just that we have NOTHING of interest to see here for any advanced Alien Species that no doubt they ahvent seen before and would hardly need to actually land or hover etc as mentioned previously, when we at this early stage in technology from the comfort of Earth, can see far into the cosmos and discern the characteristics of stars and planets and gas clouds etc. Can you imagine what a race more advanced than us by perhaps millions of years could do?

When many people can't be bothered to venture abroad to sample the differences in culture an ocean away, can't we credit Aliens the same degree of apathy or distinterest?

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="Rekunta"]

Yea, but viewed from statistical probability, given the amount of galaxies and stars out there, I think those who believe there to be life have the numbers on their side. Not fact, but statistically more likely.

Rekunta

That depends ENTIRELY on the statistical probability of abiogenesis occurring in the first place. And that's a COMPLETE unknown.

I don't see how abiogenesis is pertinent to discussing whether or not life exists out there somewhere when it already exists here. Isn't that proof enough, given the amount of space out there, that there's a good chance of life existing elsewhere, regardless of how it came to be in the first place? How life came to be is really irrelevant to the issue at hand; we already know that it's possible. That aside, all it comes down to is probability.

Hell no that's not enough. Just like a person winning the Powerball lottery in Detroit isn't enough to state that someone in Miami also won the Powerball lottery.

Yes, the means by which it happened is ABSOLUTELY critical when assessing whether or not it's going to happen again.

You shouldn't have even had to type that post. I mean...this is simple cause and effect. X causes Y. The fact that Y happened once doesn't mean that Y is gonna just plain keep on happen. Effects follow causes, Y happened because of X. Eliminate X, and there is no Y.

This is largely why people try to avoid racking up their credit card debt and avoiding murdering people. Because earlier conditions have an effect on later conditions.

Yes, the probability of life arising from nonlife ABSOLUTELY has a very big ****ing impact on the probability of life existing on a world which has previously been isolated from all other forms of life. No...just because it happened once does NOT mean that it can happen anywhere or will ever happen again.

Aliens would be too far away to reach us.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

What? I see them standing around outside Home Depot all the time.

xaos

They are real. Haven't you seen Avatar? It explains all we need to know about blue people.

[QUOTE="Rekunta"]

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

That depends ENTIRELY on the statistical probability of abiogenesis occurring in the first place. And that's a COMPLETE unknown.

MrGeezer

I don't see how abiogenesis is pertinent to discussing whether or not life exists out there somewhere when it already exists here. Isn't that proof enough, given the amount of space out there, that there's a good chance of life existing elsewhere, regardless of how it came to be in the first place? How life came to be is really irrelevant to the issue at hand; we already know that it's possible. That aside, all it comes down to is probability.

Hell no that's not enough. Just like a person winning the Powerball lottery in Detroit isn't enough to state that someone in Miami also won the Powerball lottery.

Yes, the means by which it happened is ABSOLUTELY critical when assessing whether or not it's going to happen again.

You shouldn't have even had to type that post. I mean...this is simple cause and effect. X causes Y. The fact that Y happened once doesn't mean that Y is gonna just plain keep on happen. Effects follow causes, Y happened because of X. Eliminate X, and there is no Y.

This is largely why people try to avoid racking up their credit card debt and avoiding murdering people. Because earlier conditions have an effect on later conditions.

Yes, the probability of life arising from nonlife ABSOLUTELY has a very big ****ing impact on the probability of life existing on a world which has previously been isolated from all other forms of life. No...just because it happened once does NOT mean that it can happen anywhere or will ever happen again.

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[QUOTE="FFCYAN"]You really don't understand do you?

The universe is unimaginably huge. It would take 4.37 years at the speed of light(186,282 mph) to reach our the nearest star to the sun, Alpha Centauri. The Earth in a small pebble of of several circling a medium sized star. Any other advanced civilizations would be hard pressed to find Earth regardless of their technology. Our galaxy alone contains over 200 million stars, most(some?) with planetary systems. The universe contains billions and billions of galaxies with tens of millions of star in each galaxy. It's big.

Interstellar travel even at speeds beyond light speed is still insufficient because it would take many generation for such beings to travel through the universe because there is so much of the universe to explore.

FFCYAN

• Light travels over 670,000,000 miles per hour
• The Milky Way has 200 BILLION stars

I think there was a misunderstanding.

FFCYAN probably meant to say 186,000 miles per SECOND, which may well end up being 670 million miles per hour.

I feel like OP is a troll, maybe trolls are really aliens and he is trying to deceive us!

Statistically, there's a very good chance of life out in the Universe somewhere. Speaking of statistics, there is more evidence for the existence of UFO and Aliens than there is of God...do you believe in God?!

Oh, and the nearest star to ours in Proxima Centauri by the way...

Everyone has an opinion, and everyone is entitled to it, lets just all get along.

They are real. Haven't you seen Avatar? It explains all we need to know about blue people.

soulless4now

Life on other planets is possible but life outside of this Earth seems slim these days. Probably so far that we shouldn't even bother.

I don't even know how it's possible for a creature from another planet to come here. Wouldn't they like explode or die? Get bad blood circulation?

Life on other planets is possible but life outside of this Earth seems slim these days. Probably so far that we shouldn't even bother.

I don't even know how it's possible for a creature from another planet to come here. Wouldn't they like explode or die? Get bad blood circulation?

Gaming-Planet

dont be so quick on your conclusions TC.

there are a few explanations about why we havent been contacted by advanced sentient extrasolar life. some of them are kinda morbid.

first:

we are the first sentient life in the universe capable of space travel and transmission off of our homeplanet and out of the solar system. no matter how big the universe is, its not unreasonable for our life to be the first.

second:

the universe is huge, huge, huge huge, takes a long time for stuff to get around, that includes both communications and travel. lets assume there is another sentient life form that is actively seeking alien life outside their own. if they are several galaxies away. what are the chances that they find us. on this tiny rock, especially if they are no more advanced than ourselves. not to mention. you need very powerful communications arrays to hear anything. the strength of an omni directional wave decreases at 1 over the distance squared if i remember correctly. and making something super directional is useless if you dont know where to point it. we are only now starting to discover other exoplanets comparable in size to the earth. but we find more constantly.

third:

the beings could be so advanced that they really just dont care, i mean humans are pretty egotistical and like to think everyone notices us. but do you notice every microorganism and bug you step on when you walk?

fourth:

there is no other sentient life withing communication or travel range with us. maybe non-sentient. but thats hard to find if they dont shout back, though much more likely to exist. intelligence is not a necessary direction of evolution.

fifth:

shortly after a civilization reaches its capability of creating nuclear weapons, it destroys itself....hell we almost did it during the cold war, id say its pretty damn plausible.

sixth:

we've been found, theyve attempted contacting us, but the communication hasnt reached us yet, or we just didnt notice.

seventh:

we are alone, earth could be the only life harboring rock in the entire universe. dont care how plausible life is. how huge the universe is. life doesnt NEED to be an inevitability, we could very well be alone.

for other questions, we look for earth like life. because we know it exists. its the only life we know, so its all we have to go on. we dont know what exotic life forms may exist. we have hardly touched our own solar system. a couple probes here and there? thats it? we are still finding new life forms HERE on earth.

i find it very likely that life exists outside earth, intelligent or other wise. to assume we would discover it in the less than 100 years that weve been in space is a pretty bold assumption. so we will keep looking, and i personally feel we will find evidence of life within my lifetime. considering the rate of scientific advancement and discovery.

aliens are not realTC

[spoiler] we are at one tiny point of time in the existance of the universe, the universe is massive, and there are likely unerverses beyond ours. No matter how advanced technology, it is impossible to cover such distances. But the chance of life being developed at the same time as humanity and within contact range is stupidly small. [/spoiler]

[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

I don't know why people believe in them without proof . I have heard people say there must be life out there. But if there is life out in space. Why have we got no sign of it? There could be millions of of planets out there with life on them. Witch means some could be millions of years a head in technology. simply saying " Bu Bu teh galaxy is so big" does not cut it if they master space travel . They could have the power to bend space and time if they are so advanced .

We have been watching outter space for 1000s of years and have been looking for radio waves for over 40 years and all we have got back from space is silence . There is no life out there we are the only ones .

sSubZerOo

A) Not millions but uncountable amounts of planets and moons to possibly support life.. It wouldn't even be accurate in suggesting there there are millions of planets in THIS galaxy alone.. Our galaxy has some 100 to 200 billion stars in it!.. There are hundreds of millions of galaxies!

B) Define mastering space travel.. Because as it stands, going at the speed of light is too slow to get any where.. It would take 1000 years to even traverse 1% across our galaxy alone.. The force of going those speeds and hitting something like a baseball would hit with the force of a nuclear bomb, destroying the ship completely..

C) 99% of the time was with technology that could barely check out our local solar system neighborhood.. Radio transmissions were released at some 75 years ago.. Suggesting that it moved in a straight line and close to the speed of light.. It only went 75 light years.. Thats not even .1% the distance across our galaxy.

D) Life may be near by and be far more primitive then us.. Meaning they don't have the technology to ever realize it..

In short your argument is severely flawed.

I think that there is so many other planets that there has to be some sort of life out there besides us.