All hIspanics are potential illegal immigrants, what's next?

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="astrozombie37"] I must agree with this. Anyone could have helped it pass. topgunmv

Who are more anti-immigration? Dems or Republicans. Or to be more fair, conservatives or liberals. I don't think the Democrats on a national level would pass something like this, while the Republicans would. People like to pretend there aren't any differences between the two, there are.

There's a difference between legal and illegal immigration.

Yeah, I know. Being a legal immigrant myself and all.

The law will inevitably lead to racial profiling of citizens of Hispanic origin. Such citizens make up a considerable chunk of Arizona's population.Sajo7

Again, we're of two different minds. I don't see a problem with racial profiling. I'm don't really care about being politically correct, after all.

Any reasonable officer will no doubt check to see if the suspect has ID. If they don't it's as easy as calling the parents and getting hold of a birth certificate.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

Who are more anti-immigration? Dems or Republicans. Or to be more fair, conservatives or liberals. I don't think the Democrats on a national level would pass something like this, while the Republicans would. People like to pretend there aren't any differences between the two, there are.

SgtKevali

There's a difference between legal and illegal immigration.

Yeah, I know. Being a legal immigrant myself and all.

So being anti-illegal immigration doesn't make one anti-immigration.

So you're in favor of racial profiling? Classy.

SgtKevali

Yes, I am. It's extremely useful in certain situations. It's all about being responsible. It's not like I'm drawing my pistol if a black person randomly comes up to me dressed in gang colors. But I'm obviously going to be much more careful.

[QUOTE="astrozombie37"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] **** I have been made. On to secret identity # 527rawsavon

haha what's next? Kiddie birthday clown? :P

I wouldn't expect looking like It the clown to work out too well... :D

[QUOTE="Sajo7"]The law will inevitably lead to racial profiling of citizens of Hispanic origin. Such citizens make up a considerable chunk of Arizona's population.airshocker

If thats the case I can no longer debate this with you. I find such sentiment to against every principle this country was founded on. Such a view is genuinely un-American.

Sajo7

You seem to think racial profiling equates to instant conviction, or instant guilt. It doesn't,

If you were a cop, or a soldier, you would understand.

Doing a job where I could possibly be shot any time I pull someone over for a routine traffic stop, OFC I'm going to be paranoid and make sure my happy *** goes home after every shift.

Edit: I'm not some crusader against black people or hispanics. But from experience they have given me the most trouble. Of course there are other signs that make my neck hairs stand up. And those are signs that I pick up from ALL types of people. Yes, even whites.

bill of rights applies to all. theres no disclaimer that says "if you are american" anywho, i dont see how this thing violates the 4th amendment. please provide some of the specifics otherwise just pasting the 4th amendment means nothing. coochie_kuta

[QUOTE="black_cat19"]

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]all g@ys are fabulousmagicalclick

No, they are potentially fabulous.

this, because i don't want to be fabulous. Yuke.

[QUOTE="Sajo7"]

If thats the case I can no longer debate this with you. I find such sentiment to against every principle this country was founded on. Such a view is genuinely un-American.

airshocker

You seem to think racial profiling equates to instant conviction, or instant guilt. It doesn't,

If you were a cop, or a soldier, you would understand.

Doing a job where I could possibly be shot any time I pull someone over for a routine traffic stop, OFC I'm going to be paranoid and make sure my happy *** goes home after every shift.

Thank goodness I'll never be a cop, or a soldier, then.

[QUOTE="magicalclick"]

[QUOTE="black_cat19"]

No, they are potentially fabulous.

Sajo7

this, because i don't want to be fabulous. Yuke.

But he's gay and that's who we're after, right?

*turns to magicalclick*

I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask for your papers, sir.

Thank goodness I'll never be a cop, or a soldier, then.

black_cat19

I slog around in the mud and garbage so that others don't have to. But I get paid really well.

[QUOTE="black_cat19"]

Thank goodness I'll never be a cop, or a soldier, then.

airshocker

I slog around in the mud and garbage so that others don't have to. But I get paid really well.

I'm just going to say, I find it rather disturbing that there are policemen with that mindset on duty out there...

[QUOTE="black_cat19"]

[QUOTE="Sajo7"] Thats fine. As long as their isn't a reasonable suspicion that you are fabulous.magicalclick

But he's gay and that's who we're after, right?

*turns to magicalclick*

I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask for your papers, sir.

what paper? I am not registered. runs away....

Attention all units, we've got a fabulous on the run! I repeat, fabulous on the run! Requesting backup!

I'm just going to say, I find it rather disturbing that there are policemen with that mindset on duty out there...

black_cat19

I'm not on duty right now. When I am, I'm the epitome of professionalism.

Interesting, i'll try and remember to carry those documents with me next time I stop by there.

Interesting, i'll try and remember to carry those documents with me next time I stop by there.

ShuichiChamp24

[QUOTE="Sajo7"]

If thats the case I can no longer debate this with you. I find such sentiment to against every principle this country was founded on. Such a view is genuinely un-American.

airshocker

You seem to think racial profiling equates to instant conviction, or instant guilt. It doesn't,

If you were a cop, or a soldier, you would understand.

Doing a job where I could possibly be shot any time I pull someone over for a routine traffic stop, OFC I'm going to be paranoid and make sure my happy *** goes home after every shift.

Edit: I'm not some crusader against black people or hispanics. But from experience they have given me the most trouble. Of course there are other signs that make my neck hairs stand up. And those are signs that I pick up from ALL types of people. Yes, even whites.

You have a confirmation bias, methinks.

[QUOTE="black_cat19"]

I'm just going to say, I find it rather disturbing that there are policemen with that mindset on duty out there...

airshocker

I'm not on duty right now. When I am, I'm the epitome of professionalism.

[QUOTE="ShuichiChamp24"]

Interesting, i'll try and remember to carry those documents with me next time I stop by there.

Sajo7

Really? That's even more interesting, but if I were to get stop without them. Who the hell is going to bring my birth certificate from Mexico?!?

They captured over 250K trying to cross the border into Arizona. Something has to be done. I hold no sympathy for illegal immigrants. It's not hard at all to carry a valid identification.Stevo_the_gamer

The color of my skin does not serve as probable cause. This is unconstitutional. And of course you have no sympathy, sitting from the comfort of your armchair. Have you been in their situation?

it is quite worrisome...i hope this is reversedweezyfb

You have a confirmation bias, methinks.

SgtKevali

More like an experience bias. I can't help what I've been through. Nor can I help the fact that my experiences has confirmed some of my beliefs.

Someone like me moving out of America.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]They captured over 250K trying to cross the border into Arizona. Something has to be done. I hold no sympathy for illegal immigrants. It's not hard at all to carry a valid identification.SgtKevali

The color of my skin does not serve as probable cause. This is unconstitutional. And of course you have no sympathy, sitting from the comfort of your armchair. Have you been in their situation?

[QUOTE="Sajo7"]

If thats the case I can no longer debate this with you. I find such sentiment to against every principle this country was founded on. Such a view is genuinely un-American.

airshocker

You seem to think racial profiling equates to instant conviction, or instant guilt. It doesn't,

If you were a cop, or a soldier, you would understand.

Doing a job where I could possibly be shot any time I pull someone over for a routine traffic stop, OFC I'm going to be paranoid and make sure my happy *** goes home after every shift.

Edit: I'm not some crusader against black people or hispanics. But from experience they have given me the most trouble. Of course there are other signs that make my neck hairs stand up. And those are signs that I pick up from ALL types of people. Yes, even whites.

Wow! Even WHITES? I don't believe it! You'd never think whites would be suspicious of anything. :o

The color of my skin does not serve as probable cause. This is unconstitutional. And of course you have no sympathy, sitting from the comfort of your armchair. Have you been in their situation?

SgtKevali

No one is saying your skin color serves as probable cause. Perhaps I used racial profiling too loosely. There are many different factors that could make you stand out as a suspect. No reasonable officer would approach you because you're a hispanic reading a newspaper at a coffee shop.

All Texans are... [spoiler] awesome [/spoiler] rawsavon

Wow! Even WHITES? I don't believe it! You'd never think whites would be suspicious of anything. :o

black_cat19

Don't patronize me. If you really couldn't understand my meaning behind all that, perhaps we shouldn't be having a discussion.

[QUOTE="Sajo7"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] IF you're an Illegal Immigrant I don't think you fall under the Constitution. Snipes_2

[QUOTE="weezyfb"]it is quite worrisome...i hope this is reversedStevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="black_cat19"]

Wow! Even WHITES? I don't believe it! You'd never think whites would be suspicious of anything. :o

airshocker

Don't patronize me. If you really couldn't understand my meaning behind all that, perhaps we shouldn't be having a discussion.

In all fairness, was it really necessary to include that last bit in your post? It just sounds racist; saying you get warning signs from all types of people would have sufficed...

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="Sajo7"] But you do if you are an American citizen arrested for this moronic law.X360PS3AMD05

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

You have a confirmation bias, methinks.

airshocker

More like an experience bias. I can't help what I've been through. Nor can I help the fact that my experiences has confirmed some of my beliefs.

Exactly. You have preconceptions about blacks and hispanics, and you "use" your experience to justify them. Of course you often exagerrate this to yourself, as most humans do. That's the definition of a confirmation bias. Thank you for proving me right. :lol:

In all fairness, was it really necessary to include that last bit in your post? It just sounds racist; saying you get warning signs from all types of people would have sufficed...

black_cat19

Considering you're a racist if you're a conservative and talk about black people or hispanics, yes I believe it was necessary.

We have the Patriot act which assumes all Muslims are potential terrorists. Now we have new law in Arizona that assumes all Hispanics are potential illegal immigrants. What's going to be next? All blacks are potential.........? All Asians are potential.......?

nchan

[QUOTE="nchan"]

We have the Patriot act which assumes all Muslims are potential terrorists. Now we have new law in Arizona that assumes all Hispanics are potential illegal immigrants. What's going to be next? All blacks are potential.........? All Asians are potential.......?

Gaming-Planet

Exactly. You have preconceptions about blacks and hispanics, and you "use" your experience to justify them. Of course you often exagerrate this to yourself, as most humans do. That's the definition of a confirmation bias. Thank you for proving me right. :lol:

SgtKevali

I don't see what that has to do with anything. =[

Wouldn't that make me more knowledgeable on the subject than you?

I had preconceptions about black people and hispanics long before I became a cop. I also have them about emo kids, punk kids, people who wear their jeans around their ***, and a whole slew of other people. Do I let that interfere with my job? Not at all.

[QUOTE="black_cat19"]

In all fairness, was it really necessary to include that last bit in your post? It just sounds racist; saying you get warning signs from all types of people would have sufficed...

airshocker

Considering you're a racist if you're a conservative and talk about black people or hispanics, yes I believe it was necessary.

You admitted that you have preconceived notions about blacks and hispanics that are negative. Being black myself, I consider you racist for that, not because you're a conservative, of course. You said it, not me.