All hIspanics are potential illegal immigrants, what's next?

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

Exactly. You have preconceptions about blacks and hispanics, and you "use" your experience to justify them. Of course you often exagerrate this to yourself, as most humans do. That's the definition of a confirmation bias. Thank you for proving me right. :lol:

airshocker

I don't see what that has to do with anything. =[

Wouldn't that make me more knowledgeable on the subject than you?

I had preconceptions about black people and hispanics long before I became a cop. I also have them about emo kids, punk kids, people who wear their jeans around their ***, and a whole slew of other people. Do I let that interfere with my job? Not at all.

Being black myself, no, I don't think you have more experience. Read up on what I'm talking about, you don't seem to understand.

You admitted that you have preconceived notions about blacks and hispanics that are negative. Being black myself, I consider you racist for that, not because you're a conservative, of course. You said it, not me.

SgtKevali

I never said anything about my preconceived notions being negative or positive.

I'm not a bigot. I don't go out of my way to arrest certain people.

my citizenship status is besides the point, this law pretty much gives the cops free reign to harass and detained anyone with brown skin. Its horribly invasive and unconstitutional weezyfb

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]No, it doesn't. But if an individual speaks no hint of English, and has no valid identification on him -- then there's "reasonable suspicion" to clarify his citizenship. You're not going to have Police Officers pull over Hispanics for no reason at all, I think that's just silly thinking. So you're saying I should hold sympathy for folks who break the law? Or are you just pulling my chain?

Stevo_the_gamer

There was a link posted in the very first page of this thread proving you wrong on that one. And that's just one of the countless cases that no doubt have happened and will continue to happen...

[QUOTE="black_cat19"]

In all fairness, was it really necessary to include that last bit in your post? It just sounds racist; saying you get warning signs from all types of people would have sufficed...

airshocker

Considering you're a racist if you're a conservative and talk about black people or hispanics, yes I believe it was necessary.

Oh well, I'm done with this thread anyways, it's getting tiresome...

How many illegals does Arizona have compared to CA? They will rid themselves of um and have a nice utopian republican state, good for them, i'm just curious how it will hit them economically. [QUOTE="Gaming-Planet"][QUOTE="nchan"]

We have the Patriot act which assumes all Muslims are potential terrorists. Now we have new law in Arizona that assumes all Hispanics are potential illegal immigrants. What's going to be next? All blacks are potential.........? All Asians are potential.......?

X360PS3AMD05

An economy that is dependant on near slave labor isn't much better than an economy that depends on slave labor.

Being black myself, no, I don't think you have more experience. Read up on what I'm talking about, you don't seem to understand.

SgtKevali

No that's okay. It's your job to make me understand, not for me to research every little thing you say.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on who has more experience.

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

You admitted that you have preconceived notions about blacks and hispanics that are negative. Being black myself, I consider you racist for that, not because you're a conservative, of course. You said it, not me.

airshocker

I never said anything about my preconceived notions being negative or positive.

I'm not a bigot. I don't go out of my way to arrest certain people.

It was implied, clearly. What? Were those preconceptions positive. That wouldn't make sense it the context of your statement. And whether you know it or not, it most likely does make a difference.

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

Exactly. You have preconceptions about blacks and hispanics, and you "use" your experience to justify them. Of course you often exagerrate this to yourself, as most humans do. That's the definition of a confirmation bias. Thank you for proving me right. :lol:

airshocker

I don't see what that has to do with anything. =[

Wouldn't that make me more knowledgeable on the subject than you?

I had preconceptions about black people and hispanics long before I became a cop. I also have them about emo kids, punk kids, people who wear their jeans around their ***, and a whole slew of other people. Do I let that interfere with my job? Not at all.

Um, no, it does not mean your more knowledgeable on the subject. It means that your experience is you, doesn't mean the same can be said for everyone.

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

Being black myself, no, I don't think you have more experience. Read up on what I'm talking about, you don't seem to understand.

airshocker

No that's okay. It's your job to make me understand, not for me to research every little thing you say.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on who has more experience.

Fair enough, you clearly don't understand what I'm talking about, nor do you seem to wish to understand. But yeah, I doubt I'm going to convince you, so whatever.

There was a link posted in the very first page of this thread proving you wrong on that one. And that's just one of the countless cases that no doubt have happened and will continue to happen...

black_cat19

That "youtube" link also only shows one side of the story and none of the comments and/or response(s) from the department.

It was implied, clearly. What? Were those preconceptions positive. That wouldn't make sense it the context of your statement. And whether you know it or not, it most likely does make a difference.

SgtKevali

And you don't have preconceptions about people?

Preconceptions DON"T MATTER. When it comes right down to it you're going to be treated the same exact way as everyone else UNLESS you give me a reason to treat your differently. Your skin color has nothing to do with it. It's about your actions.

Well, let's see. We got the blacks, the hispanics, and the muslims, who's next. Either the asians, gays, or atheists. Racial profiling is such bs.

SgtKevali

Fair enough, you clearly don't understand what I'm talking about, nor do you seem to wish to understand. But yeah, I doubt I'm going to convince you, so whatever.

SgtKevali

I didn't mean to come off as belligerent. I just don't have the inclination to surf through various pages on google to try and find what you're talking about.

Now if you found me a page that would make me understand, I'd be more than happy to read it.

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

It was implied, clearly. What? Were those preconceptions positive. That wouldn't make sense it the context of your statement. And whether you know it or not, it most likely does make a difference.

airshocker

And you don't have preconceptions about people?

Preconceptions DON"T MATTER. When it comes right down to it you're going to be treated the same exact way as everyone else UNLESS you give me a reason to treat your differently. Your skin color has nothing to do with it. It's about your actions.

Your preconceptions influence your actions, whether you like it or not. But as I said, I'm not going to convince you of anything, so leave it at that. And no, I don't have preconceptions about other people based on something as stupid as skin color.

[QUOTE="black_cat19"]

There was a link posted in the very first page of this thread proving you wrong on that one. And that's just one of the countless cases that no doubt have happened and will continue to happen...

Stevo_the_gamer

That "youtube" link also only shows one side of the story and none of the comments and/or response(s) from the department.

Please, if you don't mind, tell me what their reason for it might have been? He was selling oranges on the corner of the streets while cooking tortillas?

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

Fair enough, you clearly don't understand what I'm talking about, nor do you seem to wish to understand. But yeah, I doubt I'm going to convince you, so whatever.

airshocker

I didn't mean to come off as belligerent. I just don't have the inclination to surf through various pages on google to try and find what you're talking about.

Now if you found me a page that would make me understand, I'd be more than happy to read it.

Confirmation bias.

[QUOTE="Sajo7"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] IF you're an Illegal Immigrant I don't think you fall under the Constitution. Snipes_2

so you wouldn't feel violated if you were a legal citizen, got stopped by a cop because you were white and handcuffed because you weren't carrying your birth ceritificate. you would just say "damn forgot it, good **** officer" wow

Your preconceptions influence your actions, whether you like it or not. But as I said, I'm not going to convince you of anything, so leave it at that. And no, I don't have preconceptions about other people based on something as stupid as skin color.

SgtKevali

Do you watch my dashboard feeds? Have you seen me on patrol?

Preconceptions influence how cautious I am. Nothing more. Caution is good in my line of work. But it's also about subject action. If you treat me with respect you're going to be treated the exact same way. No matter what your skin color is.

[QUOTE="Sajo7"]The law will inevitably lead to racial profiling of citizens of Hispanic origin. Such citizens make up a considerable chunk of Arizona's population.airshocker

Again, we're of two different minds. I don't see a problem with racial profiling. I'm don't really care about being politically correct, after all.

Any reasonable officer will no doubt check to see if the suspect has ID. If they don't it's as easy as calling the parents and getting hold of a birth certificate.

Please, if you don't mind, tell me what their reason for it might have been? He was selling oranges on the corner of the streets while cooking tortillas?

ShuichiChamp24

[QUOTE="weezyfb"] my citizenship status is besides the point, this law pretty much gives the cops free reign to harass and detained anyone with brown skin. Its horribly invasive and unconstitutional Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

Your preconceptions influence your actions, whether you like it or not. But as I said, I'm not going to convince you of anything, so leave it at that. And no, I don't have preconceptions about other people based on something as stupid as skin color.

airshocker

Do you watch my dashboard feeds? Have you seen me on patrol?

Preconceptions influence how cautious I am. Nothing more. Caution is good in my line of work. But it's also about subject action. If you treat me with respect you're going to be treated the exact same way. No matter what your skin color is.

On an almost subconcious level your preconceived ideas affect your actions to some degree. Maybe not large degree, but to some degree. I can't really explain it further than that.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="weezyfb"] my citizenship status is besides the point, this law pretty much gives the cops free reign to harass and detained anyone with brown skin. Its horribly invasive and unconstitutional weezyfb

Some guy already got arrested for not being able to present his birth certificate when a police officer stopped him.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="Sajo7"] But you do if you are an American citizen arrested for this moronic law.X360PS3AMD05

Are you trying to be funny? I know not the reasoning, and reasonable suspicion or probable cause that went into the situation. I was not there, I cannot answer that hypothetical question. I do not jump to conclusions based on the story given to a news crew telling only one side of the story, especially being shown on a commentator's youtube page who has an agenda.

Stevo_the_gamer

No, i'm not trying to be funny. All i'm trying to say is that cops have had their fare share of abusive power reports. This just gives them a more open plane to do it no? This is just coming from my point of view.

On an almost subconcious level your preconceived ideas affect your actions to some degree. Maybe not large degree, but to some degree. I can't really explain it further than that.

SgtKevali

Absolutely. But that's like the pot calling the kettle black. Everyone is affected by that. It's MY job to tailor my response in order to make sure I'm not letting personal feelings and emotions influence my actions. You can rest assured, or not, but it's time for bed.

All i'm trying to say is that cops have their fare share of abusive power reports. This just gives them a more open plane to do it no? This is just coming from my point of view.

ShuichiChamp24

Every cop is not a perfect individual, for such instances of abuse do occur--there is no denying that. But such officers are the VAST minority. There are a few million police officers out there who take on long, and dangerous, hours every day. You rarely, if ever, hear some of the good things that they do and risk their life on a daily basis. And yet the few actions of a few officers get instantly equated to the entire Police Force of *insert town here* or a County Sheriff of *insert county here*. I don't understand that, and I really don't understand the huge "worry" that involved here. I think it's silly thinking to say that every Hispanic is now on edge since every one of them is going to get stopped now just because they're Hispanic.

Stevo_the_gamer

My worry comes from me not living there. I go by Arizona every now and then, and if they stop me there, what am I suppose to do if I forgot my papers?

My worry comes from me not living here. I go by Arizona every now and then, and if they stop me there, what am I suppose to do if I forgot my papers?

ShuichiChamp24

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Every cop is not a perfect individual, for such instances of abuse do occur--there is no denying that. But such officers are the VAST minority. There are a few million police officers out there who take on long, and dangerous, hours every day. You rarely, if ever, hear some of the good things that they do and risk their life on a daily basis. And yet the few actions of a few officers get instantly equated to the entire Police Force of *insert town here* or a County Sheriff of *insert county here*. I don't understand that, and I really don't understand the huge "worry" that involved here. I think it's silly thinking to say that every Hispanic is now on edge since every one of them is going to get stopped now just because they're Hispanic.

ShuichiChamp24

My worry comes from me not living there. I go by Arizona every now and then, and if they stop me there, what am I suppose to do if I forgot my papers?

[QUOTE="ShuichiChamp24"]My worry comes from me not living here. I go by Arizona every now and then, and if they stop me there, what am I suppose to do if I forgot my papers?

Stevo_the_gamer

Some guy got arrested for not havng his birth certificate in the car after he showed ID.

Some guy got arrested for not havng his birth certificate in the car after he showed ID.

SgtKevali

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="ShuichiChamp24"]My worry comes from me not living here. I go by Arizona every now and then, and if they stop me there, what am I suppose to do if I forgot my papers?

SgtKevali

Some guy got arrested for not havng his birth certificate in the car after he showed ID.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="ShuichiChamp24"]My worry comes from me not living here. I go by Arizona every now and then, and if they stop me there, what am I suppose to do if I forgot my papers?

SgtKevali

Some guy got arrested for not havng his birth certificate in the car after he showed ID.

Edit: Found the artilce and the guy presented plenty of information imo.

[QUOTE="ShuichiChamp24"]My worry comes from me not living here. I go by Arizona every now and then, and if they stop me there, what am I suppose to do if I forgot my papers?

Stevo_the_gamer

the guy in that video posted earlier provided social security, and still go arrested because he didn't have his birth certificate:|

the guy in that video posted earlier provided social security, and still go arrested because he didn't have his birth certificate:|

bokiloki

[QUOTE="bokiloki"]

the guy in that video posted earlier provided social security, and still go arrested because he didn't have his birth certificate:|

Stevo_the_gamer

that was a clip from a newsreport in the local news. not the guy presenting it. the guy in the video did what he was asked by you, "show identification:|" no excuses man, he provided id and still got arrested. thats a flaw in the system. stop defending them on something that wrong in the first place.

[QUOTE="bokiloki"]

the guy in that video posted earlier provided social security, and still go arrested because he didn't have his birth certificate:|

Stevo_the_gamer

It was news report. So anyone who disagrees with you is a "biased" commentator. That's a weaksauce defense, and you know it.

that was a clip from a newsreport in the local news. not the guy presenting it. the guy in the video did what he was asked by you, "show identification:|" no excuses man, he provided id and still got arrested. thats a flaw in the system. stop defending them on something that wrong in the first place.

bokiloki

The same thing that happens if you forget your drivers licenses and drive......Mafiree

I would get arrested on the basis that they think i'm illegal. Hey that sound real nice and convenient.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="bokiloki"]

the guy in that video posted earlier provided social security, and still go arrested because he didn't have his birth certificate:|

SgtKevali

It was news report. So anyone who disagrees with you is a "biased" commentator. That's a weaksauce defense, and you know it.

It was news report. So anyone who disagrees with you is a "biased" commentator. That's a weaksauce defense, and you know it.

SgtKevali

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]I'm aware of the video showing the biased commentator with an agenda showcasing one side of the story and not giving any evidence whats so ever or any words from the Police Department. Show me the statement the department makes confirming the incident but until then, I'll that Youtube video with a grain of salt. And furthermore, you can't just equate anyways one officer's dealing with the ENTIRE Arizona Police and Sheriff populace.

After_Math

It was news report. So anyone who disagrees with you is a "biased" commentator. That's a weaksauce defense, and you know it.

And of course it's biased when you want it to. The police were in the wrong here. Can't you guys just awknowledge that?.

[QUOTE="bokiloki"]that was a clip from a newsreport in the local news. not the guy presenting it. the guy in the video did what he was asked by you, "show identification:|" no excuses man, he provided id and still got arrested. thats a flaw in the system. stop defending them on something that wrong in the first place.

Stevo_the_gamer

What's to stop the police department from doing the same thing as the news report and twist the truth in their favor?