All pedophiles should recieve Death Penalty or Life sentences, End Of Story...

What a stupid idea. The vast majority of pedophiles do not actually rape children, you're going to have a difficult time finding ALL of them and pedophilia is not something that people choose to have. Furthermore, the probable result of this moronic policy that you've proposed is that pedophiles are going to start moving around a lot and generally not settling anywhere to avoid the law picking up on them. Because, you know, the alternative is CERTAIN DEATH.

Now, what do you think you're going to get when you've got a fairly large group of people migrating from place to place, most of them unable to acquire a stable job, socialize with the rest of society and taking the effort to conceal their identities? They're going to cause crime to spike up, and because they now have very little incentive to "restrict their urges" you'll see child rape rates go up, too. Great, now you've just made the original problem worse because you wanted to kill a few hundred thousand people on the amazingly flimsy basis that they disgust you.

Forced labor > Death penalty IMO

Besides that, pedophilia is quite a broad term.
In order to create a just system one has to create a 'scale/degree' of the crimes that pedophiles commit, if you don't you'll end up treating sexual herassers and actual rapists the same way, logically you'll stimulate the sexual herassers to take one step further.

Furtheremore on the defence of pedophiles, there are many circumstances that worsen or lessen the crime committed. In a significant amount of cases pedophilia is not a simple matter of choice. A combination of mental illness and environmental factors can make people quite crazy without them realizing it.

This thread is a joke.

It's really a joke, it cracks me up every time.

I'm tired of perverts being let out of prisions because of "good behavior" or being put into "rehabiltaion centers" and then being let out on the streets to hurt more people. I was reading an article in my newspaper about a man who raped and molested 11 children getting out of prision in Rhode Island on the grounds that he was "rehabilitated" and had "good behavior" in prision. This REALLY makes me angry, like you have NO idea!

I don't live in Rhode Island but if I did I can gurantee you that this guy would be in the obiturarys. The ONLY two forms of punishment these creeps should get is either the death penalty or life in prison with NO exceptions. Who's idea is it to let these people out anyway? I would like to have a personal and private talk with them....

ShadowMoses900

Second....I'm all for heavy punishment for pedeophilic crimes (either life or hormonal castration), but only when we talk about real pedophiles. Awfuly lot of people assume sleeping with 13-14 years old girl is pedeophilia, which is completely ridiculous. it would require very strict separation between pedeophilic crime and just a crime of sleeping with a minor.

the point of prison is rehabilitation.

mrbojangles25

A death penalty shouldn't even exist.

A death penalty shouldn't even exist.

gameking5000

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

the point of prison is rehabilitation.

AdrianWerner

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I'm tired of perverts being let out of prisions because of "good behavior" or being put into "rehabiltaion centers" and then being let out on the streets to hurt more people.

Palantas

Change "perverts" to "criminals," and I don't see any difference. What makes pedophiles special, versus any other type of offender?

I personally do not believe in free will and therefore cannot attest to the doctrine of 'punishment for punsihments sake', as I do not believe moral responisbility is a thing that in all actuality exists. However, that does not mean one should resort to fatalism; punishment serves as a deterrent and in the case of imprisonment a mechanism whereby the offender is prevented from offending witihn society. I feel that rehabilitation is also important, however I do believe that some people are beyond rehabilitation and will never be fit to re-enter society.

I don't think handing out mandatory death penalties/life sentences for a mental disorder is the way to go. With that said, the development of treatment for pedophilia still has a ways to go, and that creates a huge dilemma for law enforcement and the courts.-Sun_Tzu-

I personally do not believe in free will and ....

MetalGear_Ninty

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

There was once a sex offender who moved into a neighbor hood not too far from where I lived and me and a few buddies (including a cop) had a nice long "talk" with the creep.We persuaded him to move and he thankfully understood and moved within the week.

m0zart

What was the point of including that statement? To show how tough on crime you are? That you're willing to threaten someone under the radar to get them to disappear?

All this does is strengthen what some others here have said, that this is just you posting about your legal fantasies.

[QUOTE="m0zart"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

There was once a sex offender who moved into a neighbor hood not too far from where I lived and me and a few buddies (including a cop) had a nice long "talk" with the creep.We persuaded him to move and he thankfully understood and moved within the week.

MetalGear_Ninty

What was the point of including that statement? To show how tough on crime you are? That you're willing to threaten someone under the radar to get them to disappear?

All this does is strengthen what some others here have said, that this is just you posting about your legal fantasies.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="m0zart"]

What was the point of including that statement? To show how tough on crime you are? That you're willing to threaten someone under the radar to get them to disappear?

All this does is strengthen what some others here have said, that this is just you posting about your legal fantasies.

surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="m0zart"]

What was the point of including that statement? To show how tough on crime you are? That you're willing to threaten someone under the radar to get them to disappear?

All this does is strengthen what some others here have said, that this is just you posting about your legal fantasies.

surrealnumber5

Oi! How come no one have reacted about this?! Did TC actually mention 2-3 times in this thread that he used to torture others while also gaining satisfaction from it? Uhm...

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] Can you blame a man for wanting to protect his neighbourhood and family? There is no reason why he should give the offender the 'benefit of doubt' at the expense of the safety of his friends and family.MetalGear_Ninty

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] Can you blame a man for wanting to protect his neighbourhood and family? There is no reason why he should give the offender the 'benefit of doubt' at the expense of the safety of his friends and family.jimmyjammer69

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] i have a problem with the guilty till proved innocent method

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I don't think handing out mandatory death penalties/life sentences for a mental disorder is the way to go. With that said, the development of treatment for pedophilia still has a ways to go, and that creates a huge dilemma for law enforcement and the courts.MetalGear_Ninty

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I don't think handing out mandatory death penalties/life sentences for a mental disorder is the way to go. With that said, the development of treatment for pedophilia still has a ways to go, and that creates a huge dilemma for law enforcement and the courts.-Sun_Tzu-

In my human... ness, I agree.

If TC is referring to the official definition of pedophilia, I think the penalty should be a bit more severe, but not death penalty or life sentence.

However, the media tends to distort the meaning of pedophilia for the masses, and groups it along with ephebophilia, which I don't think should be classified as a crime.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] Can you blame a man for wanting to protect his neighbourhood and family? There is no reason why he should give the offender the 'benefit of doubt' at the expense of the safety of his friends and family.MetalGear_Ninty

Murphy's Law is a flawed adage for the hopelessly paranoid. By the logic of Murphy's Law, you would see planes falling out of the sky at least once an hour. You would be in horrible traffic every time you drove out of your driveway. Every time you confronted someone you had a dispute with it would end in bloodshed. Every time you walked into a gas station it would be in the middle of being robbed.

But if you want to go that route Occam's Razor would suggest the odds of a child being raped by a pedophile is around zero no matter how close one may live to said child. Statistically speaking a child is FAR more likely to be sexually assaulted by a family member or close and trusted friend of the family than they are some random stranger. I've personally befriended a staggeringly high number of rape victims in my years. Every single incident was the latter, either a family member or friend, never a total stranger.

But beyond that, the notion that it's okay to harass and drive out a convicted sex offender from your town is cherry picking the law and justice system at it's worst. That would mean it's okay to do this to anyone who has been convicted of a crime. A thief? Harass them until they move! An husband who was arrested for domestic violence? Threaten them till he leaves town! This is why vigilante justice is against the law, It's always doled out by people who lack the capability to grasp the fair treatment of justice applies to EVERYONE. Not just people who have never been committed of a crime.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] Can you blame a man for wanting to protect his neighbourhood and family? There is no reason why he should give the offender the 'benefit of doubt' at the expense of the safety of his friends and family.jimmyjammer69

so you're fine with people being punished before their guilt has been established? Jesus Christ some of you people scare me.

Best thing to do to pedophiles - Force them to their knees and shoot them in the head. No trial, no lawyers, no namby pamby human rights nonsense saying that they didn't mean to to what they did. Just a quick, on the spot, execution. Saves money on keeping them in prison before they get released because they've been 'on their best behaviour' and having them repeat their crimes the second they're out. Pedophiles deserve no mercy and no justice, just kill the sick monsters and be done with it.Smokescreened84

And yet another to whom "innocent until proven guilty" apparently means nothing.

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] i have a problem with the guilty till proved innocent method

so you're fine with people being punished before their guilt has been established? Jesus Christ some of you people scare me.

murder is worse than a sexual crime.

dracula_16

When you have kids come back and try and post that.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I don't think handing out mandatory death penalties/life sentences for a mental disorder is the way to go. With that said, the development of treatment for pedophilia still has a ways to go, and that creates a huge dilemma for law enforcement and the courts.-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]

murder is worse than a sexual crime.

Dracula68

When you have kids come back and try and post that.

I have a 5 year old child and I agree with him completely. Why? Because the saying is "justice is blind" not "justice is emotionally swayed." Which is also why if theoretically I killed someone because they sexually assaulted my son. I should be given NO special treatment when on trial for murder.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] i have a problem with the guilty till proved innocent method

keech

Murphy's Law is a flawed adage for the hopelessly paranoid. By the logic of Murphy's Law, you would see planes falling out of the sky at least once an hour. You would be in horrible traffic every time you drove out of your driveway. Every time you confronted someone you had a dispute with it would end in bloodshed. Every time you walked into a gas station it would be in the middle of being robbed.

But if you want to go that route Occam's Razor would suggest the odds of a child being raped by a pedophile is around zero no matter how close one may live to said child. Statistically speaking a child is FAR more likely to be sexually assaulted by a family member or close and trusted friend of the family than they are some random stranger. I've personally befriended a staggeringly high number of rape victims in my years. Every single incident was the latter, either a family member or friend, never a total stranger.

But beyond that, the notion that it's okay to harass and drive out a convicted sex offender from your town is cherry picking the law and justice system at it's worst. That would mean it's okay to do this to anyone who has been convicted of a crime. A thief? Harass them until they move! An husband who was arrested for domestic violence? Threaten them till he leaves town! This is why vigilante justice is against the law, It's always doled out by people who lack the capability to grasp the fair treatment of justice applies to EVERYONE. Not just people who have never been committed of a crime.

I understand why vigilantism is illegal, afterall the paedophile has to live somewhere. All I'm saying that it is perfectly understandable why parents would not want a paedophile living in their neighbourhood.

So they should be killed for acting on the feelings they were born with? I don't agree with their actions but cut them some slack in that regard. In my opinion medication is good enough because if you kill them for the sole reason that they like children and acted on it then the argument can be made for homosexuals. Slippery slope and all that.

Oi! How come no one have reacted about this?! Did TC actually mention 2-3 times in this thread that he used to torture others while also gaining satisfaction from it? Uhm...

xWoW_Rougex

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] i have a problem with the guilty till proved innocent method

surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]

murder is worse than a sexual crime.

Dracula68

When you have kids come back and try and post that.

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]

murder is worse than a sexual crime.

Dracula68

When you have kids come back and try and post that.

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]Studies have shown that only 2% of pedophiles actually ever abuse children themselves (the study I'm referring to looked at people who had been incarcerated for child porn possession and/or distribution) and that even when children are abused they're mentally healthy by the time they enter college (the study did find some mental problems in people who had been sexually abused as kids, but they said there was no way to determine if that was due to abuse or an infinite number of other factors, and thus they were essentially as healthy as anyone else). So people have blown pedophilia and its effects WAY out of proportion, and the fact that so many people have these ridiculous fantasies about the matter (such as the idea that sexually abused kids sit in a chair drooling on themselves for the rest of their lives or are liable to collapse while ordering a cheeseburger at McDonald's screaming "no daddy not there!") is probably why we get people like OP and counter-productive laws like public sex offender registries. That last one, btw, is what causes stories like OP's to happen. For some reason the public never seems to think through the ramifications of putting a guy who's known to have a sexual inclination for kids on a list that effectively bars him from ever having employment, ever having a house/apartment, and which subjects him to constant harassment from bored teenagers or paranoid parents who visited a sex offender registry website. In other words, what do you think is going to happen when that person no longer has anything to live for and can't be tracked by the police (because he's homeless and is thus off the grid)? And when it's better to be on trial and go to jail for murder than for rape, what do you think they're going to do to their victims when they're finished? Anyway, if you want to stop child sex abuse, the best course of action is to start dumping money into psychological and neuroscientific research on pedophilia (rather than sociological and criminological research which is where virtually all of the research done on the matter thus far is) so we can come up with a working treatment (for the record, neither physical or chemical castration do anything to stop sex offenders). In the meantime, it would be more productive to society to re-open criminal psychiatric wards where we would place anyone convicted of a sex crime, drug possession (I really hope I don't have to explain the rationale for this one), and whoever successfully uses the insanity plea. Hell, considering the amount of prisoners with mental disorders perhaps we should just give up the idea of punitive criminal justice system altogether and instead just turn prisons into mental hospitals.MetalGear_Ninty

Why did you put "merely" in quotes as if I said that? Go back and read my post, I never said anything along those lines. And yes, I'd say that a person who engages in a passive fulfillment of their fantasies (ie viewing pornography) is far less of a risk to society than a person who actively engages in sexual acts with children.

Anyway, I can't remember the name of the study. This MIGHT be it, but I don't know because I can't read it since I no longer attend college and thus don't have access to all the journal subscriptions I used to have:

http://sax.sagepub.com/content/23/2/212.short

Unfortunately this is the problem you run into with academic journals. Even if I did know the exact article you still wouldn't get to see more than the abstract without a subscription or forking over $30-50 for the paper. Regardless, the study I'm referring to is a pretty well known one and gets cited a lot in these types of discussions. It's not a statistic I'm pulling out of my ass.

Best thing to do to pedophiles - Force them to their knees and shoot them in the head. No trial, no lawyers, no namby pamby human rights nonsense saying that they didn't mean to to what they did. Just a quick, on the spot, execution. Saves money on keeping them in prison before they get released because they've been 'on their best behaviour' and having them repeat their crimes the second they're out. Pedophiles deserve no mercy and no justice, just kill the sick monsters and be done with it.Smokescreened84

I can't believe people are seriously suggesting we revert to a justice system from a third world country or dictatorship.. One hopes that people like this never get any where close to a position of power where they may sway the law to this end.. The evils of such system far outweigh any form of "evil" it is trying to some how solve.. What your suggesting is we set a precedent of a dictatorship in which really no one has a chance if even remotely implicated in a crime.. You do understand that a TRIAL is meant to decide who is innocent and who is guilty right? How can you decide who to decide sentence of the person hasn't even been convicted yet? Oh yeah this works REAL well in those countries around the world that do this :roll:.

It should be Child Molesters or overall Rapist instead of pedophiles.

[QUOTE="Dracula68"]

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]

murder is worse than a sexual crime.

keech

When you have kids come back and try and post that.

I have a 5 year old child and I agree with him completely. Why? Because the saying is "justice is blind" not "justice is emotionally swayed." Which is also why if theoretically I killed someone because they sexually assaulted my son. I should be given NO special treatment when on trial for murder.

Agree with who? I agree with your point of I should get no special treatment(I never asked for any nor would I want it. I rather pay for my crime) cause I will kill someone if they ever raped my daughter. Fact. You think I never had that go through my head in the past 16 years? Thought about it too many times to count to be honest.

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]

murder is worse than a sexual crime.

When you have kids come back and try and post that.

[QUOTE="Dracula68"]

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]

murder is worse than a sexual crime.

Frame_Dragger

When you have kids come back and try and post that.

Neither buit if either had happened the person that did it will die by my hand and I will go to jail and if ruled to die so be it. It's my child I am talking about not some stranger.