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#1 XileLord
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So i live in Canada and supposedly up here your not allowed to say the word "native" if your white. Anyways heres the story. I was sitting math class and my friend Trevor comes up to me and calls me white as a butter and i tell him hes brown like a native. Next thing i know the teacher comes up to me tells me to leave class and wait in the hallway for the principle to come and talk to me.

He brings me up to the office and he says I'm not allowed to say the word "Native" but "First nations" and tells me he could suspend me or even expel me for saying Trevor is a native.

Then i asked him this question

"IF i was native would i be up here right now?"

and he says "Probably not" So according to him natives are allowed to say native but us white people are not.

So he gave me garbage duty instead and i had to walk around the school being laughed at.

IS the principle right or am i wrong? Just wanted to know what you guys think.

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#2 stevenk4k5
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You're not wrong. That's just ridiculous.
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#3 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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Weird. Down here in the old US, Native American is the politically correct term.
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#4 deactivated-5901ac91d8e33
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Why the frekkin hell is "native" an offensive word? It's more honorable than offensive IMO.
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#5 Vilot_Hero
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I would knock him out. Or you could always talk to him with a baseball bat in your hand:P
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#6 Vandalvideo
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Man, if that was me I would fight tooth and nail for the ability to speak my mind in school. It is an institution of learning and the free exchange of ideas, not peter piper conforming.
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#7 stevenk4k5
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I would knock him out. Or you could always talk to him with a baseball bat in your hand:PVilot_Hero

This^^

...if you like jail time. :P

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#8 Theokhoth
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Ah, political correctness gone mad.
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#9 Xeros606
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in america we also have an n- word but i think ours is actually offensive because of the history behind it. though i dont know canadian history... exactly why is 'native' offensive?
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#10 Pirate700
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I would have just laughed at your principals face if he said I couldn't say native but living in the US we are allowed to say whatever we want.
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#11 megagene
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I would have just laughed at your principals face if he said I couldn't say native but living in the US we are allowed to say whatever we want. Pirate700

Really? So you wouldn't get in trouble at school if you called a black person the N-word?

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Someone has to do the garbage I guess.
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So i live in Canada and supposedly up here your not allowed to say the word "native" if your white. Anyways heres the story. I was sitting math class and my friend Trevor comes up to me and calls me white as a butter and i tell him hes brown like a native. Next thing i know the teacher comes up to me tells me to leave class and wait in the hallway for the principle to come and talk to me.

He brings me up to the office and he says I'm not allowed to say the word "Native" but "First nations" and tells me he could suspend me or even expel me for saying Trevor is a native.

Then i asked him this question

"IF i was native would i be up here right now?"

and he says "Probably not" So according to him natives are allowed to say native but us white people are not.

So he gave me garbage duty instead and i had to walk around the school being laughed at.

IS the principle right or am i wrong? Just wanted to know what you guys think.

XileLord

This was funny or appropriate how?

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#14 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]I would have just laughed at your principals face if he said I couldn't say native but living in the US we are allowed to say whatever we want. megagene

Really? So you wouldn't get in trouble at school if you called a black person the N-word?

It depends on the situation. Schools like to say they can suspend you for anything but they really can't. If a black guy was making racial slams on a white guy and it was just give and take you would most likely be fine.I can tellyou we wouldn't be suspended for calling someone a native or an Indian or whatever.

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#15 XileLord
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in america we also have an n- word but i think ours is actually offensive because of the history behind it. though i dont know canadian history... exactly why is 'native' offensive?Xeros606
Well i'm definantly not being racist by saying this but it seems like natives up here have a harder time in school. I mean don't get me wrong i have lots of native friends but they are always involved in the druggy groups. Not saying this is how it is for every school but in mine 75% of the natives are into the gangster theme. We have NO black people at all in our school and nobody is racist towards anybody we all just joke around. Natives also get free college and don't have to pay certian tax's.

I really don't see whats wrong with saying the word native either there IS no bad histroy behind the word. Its just that lots of white people up here look down on natives as being a bunch of druggys and i guess saying the word is a bad thing.

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Wow, if you're native to the land then you're a native. I didn't know the word was derogatory in any way. Wow, crazy teachers.
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[QUOTE="Xeros606"]in america we also have an n- word but i think ours is actually offensive because of the history behind it. though i dont know canadian history... exactly why is 'native' offensive?XileLord

Well i'm definantly not being racist by saying this but it seems like natives up here have a harder time in school. I mean don't get me wrong i have lots of native friends but they are always involved in the druggy groups. Not saying this is how it is for every school but in mine 75% of the natives are into the gangster theme. We have NO black people at all in our school and nobody is racist towards anybody we all just joke around. Natives also get free college and don't have to pay certian tax's.

I really don't see whats wrong with saying the word native either there IS no bad histroy behind the word. Its just that lots of white people up here look down on natives as being a bunch of druggys and i guess saying the word is a bad thing.

I wouldn't worry about it. It's been 5 years since I graduated but I had some talkin'-to's back in my day. Don't sweat it.
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#18 FragStains
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"Native. The 'other' N-word"
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#19 Pirate700
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Wow, if you're native to the land then you're a native. I didn't know the word was derogatory in any way. Wow, crazy teachers.Ghost_702
Exactly. You (TC) are every bit the native as the folks you were refering to.
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Someone has to do the garbage I guess.duxup
That's what the janitor is for:| The reason is beyond ludacris. I have had no problems using that term at schools. If you think that he deserved trash duty, than I would reread the post he made.
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#21 stevenk4k5
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"Native. The 'other' N-word"FragStains

:lol:

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#22 MissXXMemes
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That's no fair. You should've poked him in the eye and ranaway. :P
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#23 XileLord
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I was asking other teachers about it and they were all telling me that i was wrong for saying it. Something to do with how in our civilization it just isn't appropriate and i should address them as first nations because thats what they are.

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#24 MetalGear_Ninty
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I hate political correctness.

It just gets in the way of progress.

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#25 Greatgone12
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People are idiots.

There's a point where being extremely politically correct is politically incorrect.

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#26 markop2003
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you're in the right, ative is a tachnical term and is in no way an insult or racist
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That's so petty.
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#28 loco145
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So, the other guy didn't get suspended? :o
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#29 Vilot_Hero
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What province do you live in?
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I grew up in NW Wisconsin, surrounded by *clears her throat* Native American (but really..) reservations. Now, I have had some, what I call "indian" friends. They are Indians. native americans. Its not prejudice in any way to call them either. I have talked to a lot of them about it cause i didnt want to offend my friends or their parents lol.

Now when you say that they act 'gangster' like, dont pay certian taxes, and have free college, ect ect... same thing here in the US. A lot of them use their 'powers' and 'immunities' to their greater advantage. Its a dicey system. One time, back when i was in school and my husband was still attending too, he was sitting in class and was confronted by a 'native' we will call "Jerk" and my husband we will call "Victim". Anyhow, Jerk comes up to Victim... they do not get along. In fact are enemies. Jerk calls Victim a "Cracker". Now of course, thats supposed to be offensive to white people, though I dont understand cause i really like crackers. They are tastey. Anyhow, Victim says to Jerk "F'n in'jin". Now you might think Victim might be getting in trouble for using the explotive 'f'n'. But that was not even brought up when he got suspended. He was suspended for saying ' in'jin'. And what happened to Jerk? .... take a guess. NOTHING. I find that repulsive.

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#31 Pirate700
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you're in the right, native is a technical term and is in no way an insult or racistmarkop2003
As stated before, assuming he was born there, he himself is a native, just as I am a US native. I would tell your ignorant teacher to open a dictionary and to not tread on you.
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#32 XileLord
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What province do you live in?Vilot_Hero
British Columbia
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I dont understand cause i really like crackers. They are tastey.

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[QUOTE="duxup"]Someone has to do the garbage I guess.Vilot_Hero
That's what the janitor is for:| The reason is beyond ludacris. I have had no problems using that term at schools. If you think that he deserved trash duty, than I would reread the post he made.

Apparently it isn't just for the janitor.

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#35 Vilot_Hero
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Where abouts is this school? I'll go pay the principle a visit:P

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#36 xhellcatx
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[QUOTE="xhellcatx"]

I dont understand cause i really like crackers. They are tastey.

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The very sad truth is... I am serious.
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#37 XileLord
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I grew up in NW Wisconsin, surrounded by *clears her throat* Native American (but really..) reservations. Now, I have had some, what I call "indian" friends. They are Indians. native americans. Its not prejudice in any way to call them either. I have talked to a lot of them about it cause i didnt want to offend my friends or their parents lol.

Now when you say that they act 'gangster' like, dont pay certian taxes, and have free college, ect ect... same thing here in the US. A lot of them use their 'powers' and 'immunities' to their greater advantage. Its a dicey system. One time, back when i was in school and my husband was still attending too, he was sitting in class and was confronted by a 'native' we will call "Jerk" and my husband we will call "Victim". Anyhow, Jerk comes up to Victim... they do not get along. In fact are enemies. Jerk calls Victim a "Cracker". Now of course, thats supposed to be offensive to white people, though I dont understand cause i really like crackers. They are tastey. Anyhow, Victim says to Jerk "F'n in'jin". Now you might think Victim might be getting in trouble for using the explotive 'f'n'. But that was not even brought up when he got suspended. He was suspended for saying ' in'jin'. And what happened to Jerk? .... take a guess. NOTHING. I find that repulsive.

xhellcatx
If i said "Indian" i would have been in even more trouble. Though that must have been harsh for your husband.
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[QUOTE="Vilot_Hero"][QUOTE="duxup"]Someone has to do the garbage I guess.duxup

That's what the janitor is for:| The reason is beyond ludacris. I have had no problems using that term at schools. If you think that he deserved trash duty, than I would reread the post he made.

Apparently it isn't just for the janitor.

The reason wasn't justified, according to alot of people:|
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="xhellcatx"]

I dont understand cause i really like crackers. They are tastey.

xhellcatx
:lol:

The very sad truth is... I am serious.

I just found your perspective on the term humorous :)
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Until the population stands up and fixes these problems...ie political correctness....overreaction will always happen. To be fair you should have both gone to the prinicipal...or neither.
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I suggest you dress up for Halloween as one of the "Natives", from Gangs of New York.. Not only will you be a smart ass, but you will look bad ass to boot with the top hat.
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#42 XileLord
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Where abouts is this school? I'll go pay the principle a visit:P

Vilot_Hero
Kamloops, VSS. Its a grade 8-12 school with 900-1000 students tops.

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Until the population stands up and fixes these problems...ie political correctness....overreaction will always happen. To be fair you should have both gone to the prinicipal...or neither.LJS9502_basic
*gasp* no hello from the LJ. I sad now. *pouts*

But, you are totally correct.. like usual. It is not fair to punish only one when both were -apparently- at a wrong. But perhaps the principal was 'scared' about other reprocussions on HIM for not handling it as such. ie: hand holding leash.

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#44 SolidSnake35
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I would've refused to pick up garbage. Native isn't offensive at all.
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#45 xhellcatx
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I suggest you dress up for Halloween as one of the "Natives", from Gangs of New York.. Not only will you be a smart ass, but you will look bad ass to boot with the top hat.sSubZerOo
I agree with the top hat badass theory. Very suave. Very.
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I am still trying to figure out how native is offensive.. Its a characteristic of geography..
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#47 XileLord
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I would've refused to pick up garbage. Native isn't offensive at all.SolidSnake35
I would have but the school is overpopulated and they are kicking people out for pretty much anything at the moment. I really can't stand the school system here in BC.

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#48 Pirate700
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I would've refused to pick up garbage. Native isn't offensive at all.SolidSnake35
This. You really need to learn to stand up for yourself.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Until the population stands up and fixes these problems...ie political correctness....overreaction will always happen. To be fair you should have both gone to the prinicipal...or neither.xhellcatx

*gasp* no hello from the LJ. I sad now. *pouts*

But, you are totally correct.. like usual. It is not fair to punish only one when both were -apparently- at a wrong. But perhaps the principal was 'scared' about other reprocussions on HIM for not handling it as such. ie: hand holding leash.

I did not see you.:( Hello...how's it going?
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#50 gashead101
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is that it? the word Native?? thats stupid

where i live, there is a club called Native....and i dont think they are some racist cult