****IRRELEVANT BECAUSE I WAS NOT DISCUSSING THAT TO BEGIN WITH!*****I dont recall seeing that post, or replying to it.
But I found better sources.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk4QGHj1bqM
H8sMikeMoore
How many times do I have to say this? :?
America being invaded by Mexicans? You bet!
This topic is locked from further discussion.
How many times do I have to say this? :?
right and I know the Mexican government has little to do with it. But they should be doing SOMETHING. Its their military, they need to get it together because the military represents THEM.
you're taking what im saying out of context.
and I think military aciton is not asinine. drug smugglers, cartels and such are contributing to americans dying. Not all mexicans are bad. But theirs some that are, and this problem needs to be dealt with.
The problems in mexico arent my problem, but if theyre going to cause issues with people in MY country then they have an even bigger problem.
And thats just the way the world works.
H8sMikeMoore
That's a paradox, how are they supposed to call for help when their millitary is the ones who are doing such things? And also this is NOT your country, last I checked it was the UNITED states of america.
[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]****IRRELEVANT BECAUSE I WAS NOT DISCUSSING THAT TO BEGIN WITH!*****I dont recall seeing that post, or replying to it.
But I found better sources.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk4QGHj1bqM
DeeJayInphinity
How many times do I have to say this? :?
Ah, so your intention is to troll the thread and derail it?
It's clear now.
[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]It's easy to see why you disregard humanitarian arguments.theres nothing racial about what im saying.
Guilt trips dont work, dont try it.
If mexicans want to come here, then they should come here legally.
If they cant come here legally then they should try and fix their own country.
If they cant do that, then I dont know what else to tell them.
bman784
if by humanitarian you mean
"you evil white person bend over backwards for this minority"
then yes, it is easy to see.
Although I dont believe in god, I like the quote "god helps those who help themselves"
[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]****IRRELEVANT BECAUSE I WAS NOT DISCUSSING THAT TO BEGIN WITH!*****I dont recall seeing that post, or replying to it.
But I found better sources.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk4QGHj1bqM
DeeJayInphinity
How many times do I have to say this? :?
you criticized my sources.
so yes, you were talking about it
no matter how many times you say you werent, you were.
so if you feel like it, you can say it a few more times. But it wont matter
-hearts-
[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]****IRRELEVANT BECAUSE I WAS NOT DISCUSSING THAT TO BEGIN WITH!*****I dont recall seeing that post, or replying to it.
But I found better sources.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk4QGHj1bqM
H8sMikeMoore
How many times do I have to say this? :?
you criticized my sources.
so yes, you were talking about it
no matter how many times you say you werent, you were.
so if you feel like it, you can say it a few more times. But it wont matter
-hearts-
I said they were biased and then said they were irrelevant anyway. :?[QUOTE="delol"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="pspdseagle"]Way more Americans shoot Mexicans at the border than Vice-Versa, so stop saying that Mexicans are the one's that kill!!!
I can post Youtube videos too you know! In the Mexican news there is always Mexiacns being shot dead unfairly by Amerians.
H8sMikeMoore
if america didnt have such a problem with drug smugglers, illegals and the military of mexico on our borders you wouldnt be getting shot at in the first place.
They are shooting poor people that try to reach the country they consider the heaven on earth The Mexicans true crime its believe the American dream Sadly your words prone that they will only find hate ,misunderstood ,racial hate and hard ,very hard work Mexican workers are the dorsal spine of American economy doing those dirty works that true Americans refuse to dotheres nothing racial about what im saying.
Guilt trips dont work, dont try it.
If mexicans want to come here, then they should come here legally.
If they cant come here legally then they should try and fix their own country.
If they cant do that, then I dont know what else to tell them.
[/QUOTE The workers of Latin America , with no rights and cheap jobs , are one of the main reasons of the US prospriety . They are illegal but they are f***** stubborn and still believe one thing that you have long forgot : The American Dream[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]right and I know the Mexican government has little to do with it. But they should be doing SOMETHING. Its their military, they need to get it together because the military represents THEM.
you're taking what im saying out of context.
and I think military aciton is not asinine. drug smugglers, cartels and such are contributing to americans dying. Not all mexicans are bad. But theirs some that are, and this problem needs to be dealt with.
The problems in mexico arent my problem, but if theyre going to cause issues with people in MY country then they have an even bigger problem.
And thats just the way the world works.
Penguin_dragon
That's a paradox, how are they supposed to call for help when their millitary is the ones who are doing such things? And also this is NOT your country, last I checked it was the UNITED states of america.
yeah it is my country.
the UNITED states of america is where I live, thus its my country.
The mexican government dosent control its military, I say it ought to. Because they represent the government.
Very easy to understand!
[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="delol"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="pspdseagle"]Way more Americans shoot Mexicans at the border than Vice-Versa, so stop saying that Mexicans are the one's that kill!!!
I can post Youtube videos too you know! In the Mexican news there is always Mexiacns being shot dead unfairly by Amerians.
delol
if america didnt have such a problem with drug smugglers, illegals and the military of mexico on our borders you wouldnt be getting shot at in the first place.
They are shooting poor people that try to reach the country they consider the heaven on earth The Mexicans true crime its believe the American dream Sadly your words prone that they will only find hate ,misunderstood ,racial hate and hard ,very hard work Mexican workers are the dorsal spine of American economy doing those dirty works that true Americans refuse to dotheres nothing racial about what im saying.
Guilt trips dont work, dont try it.
If mexicans want to come here, then they should come here legally.
If they cant come here legally then they should try and fix their own country.
If they cant do that, then I dont know what else to tell them.
[/QUOTE The workers of Latin America , with no rights and cheap jobs , are one of the main reasons of the US prospriety . They are illegal but they are f***** stubborn and still believe one thing that you have long forgot : The American Dream
We as Americans are essentially still riding our past economic success.
Im not against them coming to work here in the slightest. But as long as theyre documented.
[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="delol"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="pspdseagle"]Way more Americans shoot Mexicans at the border than Vice-Versa, so stop saying that Mexicans are the one's that kill!!!
I can post Youtube videos too you know! In the Mexican news there is always Mexiacns being shot dead unfairly by Amerians.
delol
if america didnt have such a problem with drug smugglers, illegals and the military of mexico on our borders you wouldnt be getting shot at in the first place.
They are shooting poor people that try to reach the country they consider the heaven on earth The Mexicans true crime its believe the American dream Sadly your words prone that they will only find hate ,misunderstood ,racial hate and hard ,very hard work Mexican workers are the dorsal spine of American economy doing those dirty works that true Americans refuse to dotheres nothing racial about what im saying.
Guilt trips dont work, dont try it.
If mexicans want to come here, then they should come here legally.
If they cant come here legally then they should try and fix their own country.
If they cant do that, then I dont know what else to tell them.
[/QUOTE The workers of Latin America , with no rights and cheap jobs , are one of the main reasons of the US prospriety . They are illegal but they are f***** stubborn and still believe one thing that you have long forgot : The American Dream
Newsflash, American Dream implies it is for Americans who built this country, not some thieving scum who thought they could steal our prosperity. If they want prosperity they should create their own, if they cannot do it, not our fault.
[QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]It's easy to see why you disregard humanitarian arguments.theres nothing racial about what im saying.
Guilt trips dont work, dont try it.
If mexicans want to come here, then they should come here legally.
If they cant come here legally then they should try and fix their own country.
If they cant do that, then I dont know what else to tell them.
H8sMikeMoore
if by humanitarian you mean
"you evil white person bend over backwards for this minority"
then yes, it is easy to see.
Although I dont believe in god, I like the quote "god helps those who help themselves"
And if someone can't help themselves you don't care. The only way some can help themselves is by coming to America, but that's not allowed :roll: Bending over backwards doesn't constitute developing a reasonable system for actually allowing people into the country. Mexico desperately needs to improve. It's their responsibility, but saying that these peasants are SOL is pretty callous.[QUOTE="delol"][QUOTE="Ultimate-Playa"][QUOTE="delol"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="pspdseagle"]Way more Americans shoot Mexicans at the border than Vice-Versa, so stop saying that Mexicans are the one's that kill!!!
I can post Youtube videos too you know! In the Mexican news there is always Mexiacns being shot dead unfairly by Amerians.
Ultimate-Playa
if america didnt have such a problem with drug smugglers, illegals and the military of mexico on our borders you wouldnt be getting shot at in the first place.
They are shooting poor people that try to reach the country they consider the heaven on earth The Mexicans true crime its believe the American dream Sadly your words prone that they will only find hate ,misunderstood ,racial hate and hard ,very hard work Mexican workers are the dorsal spine of American economy doing those dirty works that true Americans refuse to doHaha, I'm pretty sure Americans BUILT America, not Mexicans.
About 10% of the American population are Mexicans or Mexicans descendents Have you heard about the ´´melting pot``?A melting pot between several different European nationalites, and they are the ones who built America. If you believe otherwise, then you're just desperate for approval of something imaginary you want to believe.
man the melting pot is the mingle of different races and nationalities ,not only whites but all man of all colours and creeds under one flag[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]It's easy to see why you disregard humanitarian arguments.theres nothing racial about what im saying.
Guilt trips dont work, dont try it.
If mexicans want to come here, then they should come here legally.
If they cant come here legally then they should try and fix their own country.
If they cant do that, then I dont know what else to tell them.
bman784
if by humanitarian you mean
"you evil white person bend over backwards for this minority"
then yes, it is easy to see.
Although I dont believe in god, I like the quote "god helps those who help themselves"
And if someone can't help themselves you don't care. The only way some can help themselves is by coming to America, but that's not allowed :roll: Bending over backwards doesn't constitute developing a reasonable system for actually allowing people into the country. Mexico desperately needs to improve. It's their responsibility, but saying that these peasants are SOL is pretty callous.We were SOL during the dark ages, we didn't have any help, we got out of it.
Why should we help those people?
[QUOTE="delol"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="pspdseagle"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Ultimate-Playa"]
"Even if you put aside the Mexican military, you have illegals in the country...they're protected with tactical gear using tactical strategies in police uniforms willing to ambush police officers. I think that's bad enough," said Mark Spencer, President of the Phoenix Police Enforcement Association.
While on the J.D. Hayworth show Tuesday, Mark Spencer announced that the suspects were hired by drug cartels to perform home invasions and murders.
He added that all were all dressed in military tactical gear and were armed with AR-15 assault rifles.Three other men involved in the invasion escaped.http://kfyi.com/pages/local_news.html?feed=118695&article=3875223
They're invading your neighbor's home now, but what are we doing?
H8sMikeMoore
ive seen videos of mexican military crossing our borders, shooting at americans.
If I were president, I would obviously consider that to be an act of war. I would immediately put an end to this.
If that is even true?....still if the Mexican military does do that. It doesn't even compare to the number of American soldiers who shoot at Mexicans in the border! YOU HAVE TO THINK FIRST!
we have a reason to shoot first. they are bringing people into our country illegally. which in turn brings in a lot of drugs and such for criminals to sell.
They brought their military into our country. I would immediately push for military action against mexico for this. however, the threat alone would probably solve the problem.
And before you try and lay some liberal guilt trip on me, I want to make it very clear that I dont care about the life of someone whos shooting at americans whos in a foreign military.
[/QUOTE OH! Brother. Half of the US territory was stole form Mexico
dosent matter, thats in the past. and if you cant defend your country then it isnt yours now is it? Now if the military wants to come to our country, they should deal with our consequences.
If you can defend your land, then it is your land. If you cant defend it, dont whine when you arent allowed there anymore.
a-f***ing-men to that.
I hate it when people try to bring things up that are 100+ years in the past.
[QUOTE="Ultimate-Playa"][QUOTE="delol"][QUOTE="Ultimate-Playa"][QUOTE="delol"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="pspdseagle"]Way more Americans shoot Mexicans at the border than Vice-Versa, so stop saying that Mexicans are the one's that kill!!!
I can post Youtube videos too you know! In the Mexican news there is always Mexiacns being shot dead unfairly by Amerians.
delol
if america didnt have such a problem with drug smugglers, illegals and the military of mexico on our borders you wouldnt be getting shot at in the first place.
They are shooting poor people that try to reach the country they consider the heaven on earth The Mexicans true crime its believe the American dream Sadly your words prone that they will only find hate ,misunderstood ,racial hate and hard ,very hard work Mexican workers are the dorsal spine of American economy doing those dirty works that true Americans refuse to doHaha, I'm pretty sure Americans BUILT America, not Mexicans.
About 10% of the American population are Mexicans or Mexicans descendents Have you heard about the ´´melting pot``?A melting pot between several different European nationalites, and they are the ones who built America. If you believe otherwise, then you're just desperate for approval of something imaginary you want to believe.
man the melting pot is the mingle of different races and nationalities ,not only whites but all man of all colours and creeds under one flagOh, here we go, the race card. You are trying to say that Americans of European origins didn't contribute anything to today's America. Fact #1, all other Americans of non-European origins have contributed absolutely nothing worthy.
[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]It's easy to see why you disregard humanitarian arguments.theres nothing racial about what im saying.
Guilt trips dont work, dont try it.
If mexicans want to come here, then they should come here legally.
If they cant come here legally then they should try and fix their own country.
If they cant do that, then I dont know what else to tell them.
bman784
if by humanitarian you mean
"you evil white person bend over backwards for this minority"
then yes, it is easy to see.
Although I dont believe in god, I like the quote "god helps those who help themselves"
And if someone can't help themselves you don't care. The only way some can help themselves is by coming to America, but that's not allowed :roll: Bending over backwards doesn't constitute developing a reasonable system for actually allowing people into the country. Mexico desperately needs to improve. It's their responsibility, but saying that these peasants are SOL is pretty callous.not true. Nobody cared about America freeing its self from the worlds most powerful empire.
The only people who helped us sought individual gain from it.
You seem to think people are inheritantly weak. I dont, I think mexicans can fix their country. Its just they havent yet
This Topic is nothing but the same 2 racist people who don't have a life. Those 2 guys are pityful
EDIT: Oh, and as others have said! Go suck a dick. That's the first time I actually swear to someone in Gamespot, but you guys deserve it as your Racist.
[QUOTE="Ultimate-Playa"]That dark ages? What are you talking about? Medieval Europe?We were SOL during the dark ages, we didn't have any help, we got out of it.
Why should we help those people?
bman784
The dark age is a good comparsion to what age Mexicans are in today. Europeans and Japaneses beat their downwards spiral period, we survived the dark ages, and Mexicans are still essentially stuck in that period, just with guns.
[QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]It's easy to see why you disregard humanitarian arguments.theres nothing racial about what im saying.
Guilt trips dont work, dont try it.
If mexicans want to come here, then they should come here legally.
If they cant come here legally then they should try and fix their own country.
If they cant do that, then I dont know what else to tell them.
H8sMikeMoore
if by humanitarian you mean
"you evil white person bend over backwards for this minority"
then yes, it is easy to see.
Although I dont believe in god, I like the quote "god helps those who help themselves"
And if someone can't help themselves you don't care. The only way some can help themselves is by coming to America, but that's not allowed :roll: Bending over backwards doesn't constitute developing a reasonable system for actually allowing people into the country. Mexico desperately needs to improve. It's their responsibility, but saying that these peasants are SOL is pretty callous.not true. Nobody cared about America freeing its self from the worlds most powerful empire.
The only people who helped us sought individual gain from it.
You seem to think people are inheritantly weak. I dont, I think mexicans can fix their country. Its just they havent yet
What does the American Revolution have to do with anything? You're diverting the topic, and there isn't really a comparison there in the first place. And it isn't the impoverished population of Mexicans that can fix Mexico. It's the Mexican government. In the meantime, what is the population supposed to do?This Topic is nothing but the same 2 racist people who don't have a life. Those 2 guys are pityfulpspdseagle
Sorry for not wanting illegals in my country.
This is proof though, that you cant disagree with a liberal without being called racist.
Nothing I said was racist, but since im white i guess i have to be right!
What's with all the tribalism and hostility? Tribalism and nationalism will eventually destroy our species. It already destroyed Africa. I think we should have a unified world goverment with no ethnic and national divides and hostility. After all, we all live on the same **** planet. X4D
Africa isn't divided by race, and yet they still destroyed themselves?
Just bringing it out there since you brought it up.
What's with all the tribalism and hostility? Tribalism and nationalism will eventually destroy our species. It already destroyed Africa. I think we should have a unified world goverment with no ethnic and national divides and hostility. After all, we all live on the same **** planet. X4D
Yes, and I think it should start with the United States leading this unified world government
*commence argument that self-explains why this would not work*
[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]It's easy to see why you disregard humanitarian arguments.theres nothing racial about what im saying.
Guilt trips dont work, dont try it.
If mexicans want to come here, then they should come here legally.
If they cant come here legally then they should try and fix their own country.
If they cant do that, then I dont know what else to tell them.
bman784
if by humanitarian you mean
"you evil white person bend over backwards for this minority"
then yes, it is easy to see.
Although I dont believe in god, I like the quote "god helps those who help themselves"
And if someone can't help themselves you don't care. The only way some can help themselves is by coming to America, but that's not allowed :roll: Bending over backwards doesn't constitute developing a reasonable system for actually allowing people into the country. Mexico desperately needs to improve. It's their responsibility, but saying that these peasants are SOL is pretty callous.not true. Nobody cared about America freeing its self from the worlds most powerful empire.
The only people who helped us sought individual gain from it.
You seem to think people are inheritantly weak. I dont, I think mexicans can fix their country. Its just they havent yet
What does the American Revolution have to do with anything? You're diverting the topic, and there isn't really a comparison there in the first place. And it isn't the impoverished population of Mexicans that can fix Mexico. It's the Mexican government. In the meantime, what is the population supposed to do?the american revolution has to do with the fact that people can overcome. Im surprised I had to explain that to you.
The population needs to take over their government and set it straight.
People are NOT weak.
[QUOTE="Penguin_dragon"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]right and I know the Mexican government has little to do with it. But they should be doing SOMETHING. Its their military, they need to get it together because the military represents THEM.
you're taking what im saying out of context.
and I think military aciton is not asinine. drug smugglers, cartels and such are contributing to americans dying. Not all mexicans are bad. But theirs some that are, and this problem needs to be dealt with.
The problems in mexico arent my problem, but if theyre going to cause issues with people in MY country then they have an even bigger problem.
And thats just the way the world works.
H8sMikeMoore
That's a paradox, how are they supposed to call for help when their millitary is the ones who are doing such things? And also this is NOT your country, last I checked it was the UNITED states of america.
yeah it is my country.
the UNITED states of america is where I live, thus its my country.
The mexican government dosent control its military, I say it ought to. Because they represent the government.
Very easy to understand!
Not even the insignificant fragment of land you own here in the U.S. is yours, so I highly doubt you can take ownership over our nation. Though you may think that whatever miniscule part you play may give you a voice, you are wrong. The collected voice of many rules this country, so it is that majority which claims its possesion, not one single being. And you saying the government should control its millitary is just as idiotic as you saying this country belongs to you. If you would stop talking and actually go to the Mexican border cities, you would see that the government has been doing this for sometime now. They are not oblivious to the drug lords and organized crime, nor are they scared to use force, but if it was easy it wouldn't be an issue. And I think its a misconseption when people say Mexicans come here to feed their families. I have family that was RUN out of mexico by organized crime, and reside here in the U.S. now. The issue at hand is not something you can just throw force at and hope it will go away, it has grown into an epidemic, and its something the mexican government just can't handle. If you ask me I think OUR goverment should help the Mexicans instead of just throwing up walls which will be destroyed in a matter of days.
[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Penguin_dragon"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]right and I know the Mexican government has little to do with it. But they should be doing SOMETHING. Its their military, they need to get it together because the military represents THEM.
you're taking what im saying out of context.
and I think military aciton is not asinine. drug smugglers, cartels and such are contributing to americans dying. Not all mexicans are bad. But theirs some that are, and this problem needs to be dealt with.
The problems in mexico arent my problem, but if theyre going to cause issues with people in MY country then they have an even bigger problem.
And thats just the way the world works.
Penguin_dragon
That's a paradox, how are they supposed to call for help when their millitary is the ones who are doing such things? And also this is NOT your country, last I checked it was the UNITED states of america.
yeah it is my country.
the UNITED states of america is where I live, thus its my country.
The mexican government dosent control its military, I say it ought to. Because they represent the government.
Very easy to understand!
Not even the insignificant fragment of land you own here in the U.S. is yours, so I highly doubt you can take ownership over our nation. Though you may think that whatever miniscule part you play may give you a voice, you are wrong. The collected voice of many rules this country, so it is that majority which claims its possesion, not one single being. And you saying the government should control its millitary is just as idiotic as you saying this country belongs to you. If you would stop talking and actually go to the Mexican border cities, you would see that the government has been doing this for sometime now. They are not oblivious to the drug lords and organized crime, nor are they scared to use force, but if it was easy it wouldn't be an issue. And I think its a misconseption when people say Mexicans come here to feed their families. I have family that was RUN out of mexico by organized crime, and reside here in the U.S. now. The issue at hand is not something you can just throw force at and hope it will go away, it has grown into an epidemic, and its something the mexican government just can't handle. If you ask me I think OUR goverment should help the Mexicans instead of just throwing up walls which will be destroyed in a matter of days.
If the southwest was turned over to Mexico, how would it be different from the rest of Mexico?
Yeah, that's what I thought.
Ok...so you propose a revolution. Any suggestion that doesn't involve completely unrealistic idealism?the american revolution has to do with the fact that people can overcome. Im surprised I had to explain that to you.
The population needs to take over their government and set it straight.
People are NOT weak.
H8sMikeMoore
Oh, here we go, the race card. You are trying to say that Americans of European origins didn't contribute anything to today's America. Fact #1, all other Americans of non-European origins have contributed absolutely nothing worthy.
Ultimate-Playa
Finally, the man shows his true colors. So basically you are saying "White people > All." Ah ok. :?
As for " Fact #1, all other Americans of non-European origins have contributed absolutely nothing worthy." Umm African Americans actively leaded the Civil Rights Movements. Thats pretty noteworthy imo. :|
[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="Penguin_dragon"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]right and I know the Mexican government has little to do with it. But they should be doing SOMETHING. Its their military, they need to get it together because the military represents THEM.
you're taking what im saying out of context.
and I think military aciton is not asinine. drug smugglers, cartels and such are contributing to americans dying. Not all mexicans are bad. But theirs some that are, and this problem needs to be dealt with.
The problems in mexico arent my problem, but if theyre going to cause issues with people in MY country then they have an even bigger problem.
And thats just the way the world works.
Penguin_dragon
That's a paradox, how are they supposed to call for help when their millitary is the ones who are doing such things? And also this is NOT your country, last I checked it was the UNITED states of america.
yeah it is my country.
the UNITED states of america is where I live, thus its my country.
The mexican government dosent control its military, I say it ought to. Because they represent the government.
Very easy to understand!
Not even the insignificant fragment of land you own here in the U.S. is yours, so I highly doubt you can take ownership over our nation. Though you may think that whatever miniscule part you play may give you a voice, you are wrong. The collected voice of many rules this country, so it is that majority which claims its possesion, not one single being. And you saying the government should control its millitary is just as idiotic as you saying this country belongs to you. If you would stop talking and actually go to the Mexican border cities, you would see that the government has been doing this for sometime now. They are not oblivious to the drug lords and organized crime, nor are they scared to use force, but if it was easy it wouldn't be an issue. And I think its a misconseption when people say Mexicans come here to feed their families. I have family that was RUN out of mexico by organized crime, and reside here in the U.S. now. The issue at hand is not something you can just throw force at and hope it will go away, it has grown into an epidemic, and its something the mexican government just can't handle. If you ask me I think OUR goverment should help the Mexicans instead of just throwing up walls which will be destroyed in a matter of days.
I own the land in which I reside.
The people of the country own this country
I am a person (legally) in this country.
The collective rule some parts of this country, we live in a republic. not a democracy.
our government runs our military. so should theirs
A great way to help mexico is to get their government in check. The mexican government is corrupt. So either the people of mexico should do something, or potentially the US will. And with the way things are going, it seems like it might be a military solution. Which I support.
[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]Ok...so you propose a revolution. Any suggestion that doesn't involve completely unrealistic idealism?the american revolution has to do with the fact that people can overcome. Im surprised I had to explain that to you.
The population needs to take over their government and set it straight.
People are NOT weak.
bman784
It's not our problem, they DUG their own hole they are the ones who need to sort it out themselves. Europeans didn't expect the world to help us when we were overwhelemed by the Mongols, the Black Plague, etc.
[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]Ok...so you propose a revolution. Any suggestion that doesn't involve completely unrealistic idealism?the american revolution has to do with the fact that people can overcome. Im surprised I had to explain that to you.
The population needs to take over their government and set it straight.
People are NOT weak.
bman784
of course I support a revolution.
They can try to over take their country in a peaceful manner first
if that dosent work
then war.
Mexico is a weak country, so it wouldnt be hard in my opinion.
Oh, here we go, the race card. You are trying to say that Americans of European origins didn't contribute anything to today's America. Fact #1, all other Americans of non-European origins have contributed absolutely nothing worthy. Ultimate-Playa
You should really read American history. Slavery contributed a lot to America. America is rich partly because of slavery. If slavery never happened in America it would not be where it is today. America had free labor and cotton (which the whole world wanted) the richest people in America were slave owners during that time. The main reason why America is rich is because at every critical point, America has managed to expoilt the people at the bottom and make a fortune out of it, whether it was Blacks during slavery, poor workers during the industrial revolution, to the Mexicans now. America has always been opportunist, not to mention the land they stole from the Indians.
[QUOTE="Ultimate-Playa"]Oh, here we go, the race card. You are trying to say that Americans of European origins didn't contribute anything to today's America. Fact #1, all other Americans of non-European origins have contributed absolutely nothing worthy. X4D
You should really read American history. Slavery contributed a lot to America. America is rich because of slavery. If slavery never happened in America it would not be where it is today. America had free labor and cotton (which the whole world wanted) the richest people in America were slave owners during that time. The main reason why America is rich is because at every critical point, America has managed to expoilt the people at the bottom and make a fortune out of it, whether it was Blacks during slavery, poor workers during the industrial revolution, to the Mexicans now. America has always been opportunist, not to mention the land they stole from the Indians.
Please, if you knew your history, a large majority of American History they teach us in school is bunk. I'm not asking you to believe me, but I expect an outrage, or LOL at you, etc. I don't care, as long I know the facts, I'm a happy person. For example, who were responsible for importing slaves, who were responsible for the civil war and who pressured Lincoln to start a civil war against the South. If you knew some more of the facts, you wouldn't be such an ignorant person.
[QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]Ok...so you propose a revolution. Any suggestion that doesn't involve completely unrealistic idealism?the american revolution has to do with the fact that people can overcome. Im surprised I had to explain that to you.
The population needs to take over their government and set it straight.
People are NOT weak.
H8sMikeMoore
of course I support a revolution.
They can try to over take their country in a peaceful manner first
if that dosent work
then war.
Mexico is a weak country, so it wouldnt be hard in my opinion.
So you support...A) US military occupation of Mexico to fix the country- very radical action
B) Mexican people's revolution resulting in an overthrow of the government - very radical action
You support these, and yet you vehemently object to setting up a system where Mexicans are able to enter the United States? It seems that you prefer unreasonable over reasonable when it comes to solutions that don't fit your political agenda.
[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]Ok...so you propose a revolution. Any suggestion that doesn't involve completely unrealistic idealism?the american revolution has to do with the fact that people can overcome. Im surprised I had to explain that to you.
The population needs to take over their government and set it straight.
People are NOT weak.
bman784
of course I support a revolution.
They can try to over take their country in a peaceful manner first
if that dosent work
then war.
Mexico is a weak country, so it wouldnt be hard in my opinion.
So you support...A) US military occupation of Mexico to fix the country- very radical action
B) Mexican people's revolution resulting in an overthrow of the government - very radical action
You support these, and yet you vehemently object to setting up a system where Mexicans are able to enter the United States? It seems that you prefer unreasonable over reasonable when it comes to solutions that don't fit your political agenda.
So, Mexicans should flee the problem, rather than solve the problem? No thanks.
I own the land in which I reside.
The people of the country own this country
I am a person (legally) in this country.
The collective rule some parts of this country, we live in a republic. not a democracy.
our government runs our military. so should theirs
A great way to help mexico is to get their government in check. The mexican government is corrupt. So either the people of mexico should do something, or potentially the US will. And with the way things are going, it seems like it might be a military solution. Which I support.
H8sMikeMoore
Possesion is 9/10 of the government, the only thing you own is a deed to your house. And millitary solution does not equal war. I think something similar to what were doing in Middle East should be done, only instead of a "war on terror", it should be a "war on drugs", or something of the like, because it really isn't Mexico alone contributing to this issue its most of South America.
[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]Ok...so you propose a revolution. Any suggestion that doesn't involve completely unrealistic idealism?the american revolution has to do with the fact that people can overcome. Im surprised I had to explain that to you.
The population needs to take over their government and set it straight.
People are NOT weak.
bman784
of course I support a revolution.
They can try to over take their country in a peaceful manner first
if that dosent work
then war.
Mexico is a weak country, so it wouldnt be hard in my opinion.
So you support...A) US military occupation of Mexico to fix the country- very radical action
B) Mexican people's revolution resulting in an overthrow of the government - very radical action
You support these, and yet you vehemently object to setting up a system where Mexicans are able to enter the United States? It seems that you prefer unreasonable over reasonable when it comes to solutions that don't fit your political agenda.
the peaceful one, is more or less people getting elected. So its not so radical.
I dont think what I say is unreasonable. Im not against having mexicans come here legally, even if that means we need to redo our immigration policy.
However, theres a huge problem in this country with the mexican military and drug cartels. Even if we fix our immigration system, its not gonna help everyone in mexico. As long as theres suffering there, we will have issues. We can only do so much with a policy change.
eventually, the corrupt government has to be delt with. Thats just the way it is. If people in mexico want to keep suffering, then mexico will stay the same. If not then theyll do something about it. It wouldnt hurt America for our military to support a revolution there either. It would be rather easy, actually.
[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]I own the land in which I reside.
The people of the country own this country
I am a person (legally) in this country.
The collective rule some parts of this country, we live in a republic. not a democracy.
our government runs our military. so should theirs
A great way to help mexico is to get their government in check. The mexican government is corrupt. So either the people of mexico should do something, or potentially the US will. And with the way things are going, it seems like it might be a military solution. Which I support.
Penguin_dragon
Possesion is 9/10 of the government, the only thing you own is a deed to your house. And millitary solution does not equal war. I think something similar to what were doing in Middle East should be done, only instead of a "war on terror", it should be a "war on drugs", or something of the like, because it really isn't Mexico alone contributing to this issue its most of South America.
you got the quote wrong, "possession is 9/10s of the LAW" not the government.
I actually OWN the land. its mine.
Theres already a war on drugs. Its failing miserably. the simplest solution is to legalize drugs obviously. But thats ways a way in this country. But even though, I support legalization it dosent justify the things mexico is allowing to go on.
I seem to remember a time when black people were the sum of all troubles. Rednecks would acuse them of everything, from crime, to being lazy, to what not.
Times have changed, and, although black folk are still targets, a whole new generation of "let's blame it on whoever we can" generation of rednecks now targets illegal immigrants from Mexico as this nation's curse.
They forget that, in a capitalist society, rescecions, even economical depressions are granted and even needed. Under capitalism, which didn't use to show it's flaws before, lots are expected to be poor and a few, rich. Under capitalism, whoever does the job for the less money gets the job, citizen or not. Most people who built New York were European immigrants with no documents, but their labour was needed, so they were welcomed.
It's exactly the same now: companies are closing factories and companies in America and sending those jobs to places like China, India, and other third world countries, where salaries are minimal.
So, under that logic, neither the companies, or the corporative goverment seems to worried about illegal migration: empresarios can get those low payed workers without having to relocate their companies, an awesome bussiness for them.
In this scenario, what Mexicans are doing is basically just follow the rules of predatory capitalism, as are the company owners and politicians. This is why you don't see them doing something about it.
But of course, the losers here are the displaced, few skills, below medium class Americans, which make for most part of Americans, because they are the ones being ignored and made obsolete by this system.
So I can understand why it's ususally them who complain, and, of course, the ever racist opportunists who take advantage of the whole thing to throw their KKK agendas in the mix.
So, to say it clearly: Capitalism as we know it needs the cheapest labour it can find, it doesn't care about middle class white guys getting screwed, and therefore it's not even an issue for goverment.
And, since capitalism always wins, expect the number of illegal immigrants (not just from Mexico, by the way) to actually not only rise, but rise to a formidable number over the next decades.
Africa isn't divided by race, and yet they still destroyed themselves?Just bringing it out there since you brought it up.
Ultimate-Playa
Africa is still divided by tribes and clans. In Somalia for example there is a tribal government.
[QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]Ok...so you propose a revolution. Any suggestion that doesn't involve completely unrealistic idealism?the american revolution has to do with the fact that people can overcome. Im surprised I had to explain that to you.
The population needs to take over their government and set it straight.
People are NOT weak.
H8sMikeMoore
of course I support a revolution.
They can try to over take their country in a peaceful manner first
if that dosent work
then war.
Mexico is a weak country, so it wouldnt be hard in my opinion.
War on Mexico??? I can't even say what I think about you without getting banned! Anyways, why should I waste my time on a Racist, unworthy, meaningless piece of **** like you.
You are pityful in my opinion!
[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]Ok...so you propose a revolution. Any suggestion that doesn't involve completely unrealistic idealism?the american revolution has to do with the fact that people can overcome. Im surprised I had to explain that to you.
The population needs to take over their government and set it straight.
People are NOT weak.
pspdseagle
of course I support a revolution.
They can try to over take their country in a peaceful manner first
if that dosent work
then war.
Mexico is a weak country, so it wouldnt be hard in my opinion.
War on Mexico??? I can't even say what I think about you without getting banned! Anyways, why should I waste my time on a Racist, unworthy, meaningless piece of **** like you.
You are pityful in my opinion!
I was actually talking about the people of mexico rebelling against their own government with american help.
I dont know how im racist, but you keep calling me it.
Maybe you're just insecure.
But really, calling me racist never works. Along with guilt trips. Im immune to liberal spins
[QUOTE="pspdseagle"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]Ok...so you propose a revolution. Any suggestion that doesn't involve completely unrealistic idealism?the american revolution has to do with the fact that people can overcome. Im surprised I had to explain that to you.
The population needs to take over their government and set it straight.
People are NOT weak.
H8sMikeMoore
of course I support a revolution.
They can try to over take their country in a peaceful manner first
if that dosent work
then war.
Mexico is a weak country, so it wouldnt be hard in my opinion.
War on Mexico??? I can't even say what I think about you without getting banned! Anyways, why should I waste my time on a Racist, unworthy, meaningless piece of **** like you.
You are pityful in my opinion!
I was actually talking about the people of mexico waging war on their own government with american help.
I dont know how im racist, but you keep calling me it.
Maybe you're just insecure.
Oh OK then, you do know that War does not fix everything.
The Government in Mexico isn't that bad. Definetly, the U.S. is not needed. I don't understand why some people assume that the U.S. always has to help?
[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="pspdseagle"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]Ok...so you propose a revolution. Any suggestion that doesn't involve completely unrealistic idealism?the american revolution has to do with the fact that people can overcome. Im surprised I had to explain that to you.
The population needs to take over their government and set it straight.
People are NOT weak.
pspdseagle
of course I support a revolution.
They can try to over take their country in a peaceful manner first
if that dosent work
then war.
Mexico is a weak country, so it wouldnt be hard in my opinion.
War on Mexico??? I can't even say what I think about you without getting banned! Anyways, why should I waste my time on a Racist, unworthy, meaningless piece of **** like you.
You are pityful in my opinion!
I was actually talking about the people of mexico waging war on their own government with american help.
I dont know how im racist, but you keep calling me it.
Maybe you're just insecure.
Oh OK then, you do know that War does not fix everything.
The Government in Mexico isn't that bad. Definetly, the U.S. is not needed. I don't understand why some people assume that the U.S. always has to help?
if mexicans did rebel and didnt want us help then thats fine too.
Im talking as if I were president however.
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