America currently scare the hell out of me (short version)

The main tenets of Christianity is to 'spread the Gospel', and to bring your children up in the faith that you are. Once, a child grows up and leave their parents, they are free to believe what they want. FragStains

I agree about the religion part, but I don't agree about the scary part. After all, Americans themselves aren't all "Jesus this and Jesus that". I think the zealots are an over-represented minority, which would make it difficult for any administration to incite some sort of New Crusade.

I'd say China and Russia scare me the most. Now that China is catching up to the rest of the world, they have a better chance of becoming a superpower, which as we all know is what they want. And we all know how great a Communist superpower is, just look at the now-defunct Soviet Union. They were as bad as Nazi Germany. As for Russia, Putin is a real devil. Suppressing all opposition and criticism, he's turning Russia into a new Soviet Union. And as someone who lives right next door to Russia, I'm fairly frightened. We may have beaten them in 1939-44, but who knows what will happen this time?

Agreed on all counts.  Like I said before, don't worry about it.  If it gets out of hand, there will be civil war.  Count on it (if it gets that far).SimpJee

[QUOTE="SimpJee"]Agreed on all counts.  Like I said before, don't worry about it.  If it gets out of hand, there will be civil war.  Count on it (if it gets that far).Yarcofin

If America even HINTS at a Christian fundamentalist takeover, I'm moving elsewhere.

America is moving in the opposite direction.slateman_basic

See, that's what I think too. People are always complaining how materialistic and decadent the West (and US in particular) is. So how can America become too religious, when at the same time it's becoming increasingly secular.

The main tenets of Christianity is to 'spread the Gospel', and to bring your children up in the faith that you are.  Once, a child grows up and leave their parents, they are free to believe what they want.   FragStains

[QUOTE="slateman_basic"]America is moving in the opposite direction.monco59

See, that's what I think too. People are always complaining how materialistic and decadent the West (and US in particular) is. So how can America become too religious, when at the same time it's becoming increasingly secular.

Do you watch/read the news at all? I think you ought to see "Jesus Camp".

[QUOTE="SimpJee"]Agreed on all counts. Like I said before, don't worry about it. If it gets out of hand, there will be civil war. Count on it (if it gets that far).Yarcofin

Thats the kind of American bull **** that gets civil wars to come about in the first place, you should be ashamed for missing the bigger picture, and I agree with the OP on all accounts too.

[QUOTE="monco59"]

[QUOTE="slateman_basic"]America is moving in the opposite direction.jointed

See, that's what I think too. People are always complaining how materialistic and decadent the West (and US in particular) is. So how can America become too religious, when at the same time it's becoming increasingly secular.

Do you watch/read the news at all? I think you ought to see "Jesus Camp".

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="monco59"]

[QUOTE="slateman_basic"]America is moving in the opposite direction.JekL-0

See, that's what I think too. People are always complaining how materialistic and decadent the West (and US in particular) is. So how can America become too religious, when at the same time it's becoming increasingly secular.

Do you watch/read the news at all? I think you ought to see "Jesus Camp".

I've seen Jesus Camp. Pretty obvious that that it was filmed and edited with a bias in mind. And Jesus Camp (the actual camp) isn't funded by the government.

Please, watch and read the news. Read how films are more violent and have far more sex in them than even 20 years ago. Abortion and homosexuality are becoming more and more tolerated.

no . . . American is not becoming fundamentalist. 

[QUOTE="JekL-0"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="monco59"]

[QUOTE="slateman_basic"]America is moving in the opposite direction.slateman_basic

See, that's what I think too. People are always complaining how materialistic and decadent the West (and US in particular) is. So how can America become too religious, when at the same time it's becoming increasingly secular.

Do you watch/read the news at all? I think you ought to see "Jesus Camp".

I've seen Jesus Camp. Pretty obvious that that it was filmed and edited with a bias in mind. And Jesus Camp (the actual camp) isn't funded by the government.

Please, watch and read the news. Read how films are more violent and have far more sex in them than even 20 years ago. Abortion and homosexuality are becoming more and more tolerated.

no . . . American is not becoming fundamentalist. 

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you're thinking too shalllow...

The movie jesus camp was accepted by the "camp" it was about, they called it "a fair point of view"

The main tenets of Christianity is to 'spread the Gospel', and to bring your children up in the faith that you are.  Once, a child grows up and leave their parents, they are free to believe what they want.   FragStains

Thats right, until their 18 they are your property.

The main tenets of Christianity is to 'spread the Gospel', and to bring your children up in the faith that you are.  Once, a child grows up and leave their parents, they are free to believe what they want.   FragStains

[QUOTE="slateman_basic"]America is moving in the opposite direction.monco59

See, that's what I think too. People are always complaining how materialistic and decadent the West (and US in particular) is. So how can America become too religious, when at the same time it's becoming increasingly secular.

[QUOTE="SimpJee"]Agreed on all counts. Like I said before, don't worry about it. If it gets out of hand, there will be civil war. Count on it (if it gets that far).Yarcofin

 its not becoming more tolerant though, its a faslehoood to suggest its getting more secular. more and more of the fundamentalists who were once a minority are pushing for reductions in free speech etc etcAcidJiles

Just to see if you understand Free Speech as it applies in the Constitution....explain it for us.

I agree about the religion part, but I don't agree about the scary part. After all, Americans themselves aren't all "Jesus this and Jesus that". I think the zealots are an over-represented minority, which would make it difficult for any administration to incite some sort of New Crusade. 

I'd say China and Russia scare me the most. Now that China is catching up to the rest of the world, they have a better chance of becoming a superpower, which as we all know is what they want. And we all know how great a Communist superpower is, just look at the now-defunct Soviet Union. They were as bad as Nazi Germany. As for Russia, Putin is a real devil. Suppressing all opposition and criticism, he's turning Russia into a new Soviet Union. And as someone who lives right next door to Russia, I'm fairly frightened. We may have beaten them in 1939-44, but who knows what will happen this time?

monco59

Glad to know that we're not the only messed up country. I wonder what China will do with it's power. Oh, and the thing on the bottom left of your sig doesn't look like Jesus's hand. Summin' else though

"I agree about the religion part, but I don't agree about the scary part. After all, Americans themselves aren't all "Jesus this and Jesus that". I think the zealots are an over-represented minority, which would make it difficult for any administration to incite some sort of New Crusade."

[QUOTE="monco59"]

I agree about the religion part, but I don't agree about the scary part. After all, Americans themselves aren't all "Jesus this and Jesus that". I think the zealots are an over-represented minority, which would make it difficult for any administration to incite some sort of New Crusade.

I'd say China and Russia scare me the most. Now that China is catching up to the rest of the world, they have a better chance of becoming a superpower, which as we all know is what they want. And we all know how great a Communist superpower is, just look at the now-defunct Soviet Union. They were as bad as Nazi Germany. As for Russia, Putin is a real devil. Suppressing all opposition and criticism, he's turning Russia into a new Soviet Union. And as someone who lives right next door to Russia, I'm fairly frightened. We may have beaten them in 1939-44, but who knows what will happen this time?

jakecufc8888

Glad to know that we're not the only messed up country. I wonder what China will do with it's power. Oh, and the thing on the bottom left of your sig doesn't look like Jesus's hand. Summin' else though

[QUOTE="monco59"]

I agree about the religion part, but I don't agree about the scary part. After all, Americans themselves aren't all "Jesus this and Jesus that". I think the zealots are an over-represented minority, which would make it difficult for any administration to incite some sort of New Crusade.

I'd say China and Russia scare me the most. Now that China is catching up to the rest of the world, they have a better chance of becoming a superpower, which as we all know is what they want. And we all know how great a Communist superpower is, just look at the now-defunct Soviet Union. They were as bad as Nazi Germany. As for Russia, Putin is a real devil. Suppressing all opposition and criticism, he's turning Russia into a new Soviet Union. And as someone who lives right next door to Russia, I'm fairly frightened. We may have beaten them in 1939-44, but who knows what will happen this time?

You apparenlty aren't caught up in our political system. The zealots are already in charge of many aspects of our country. Just look at our Supreme Court for example and take it from there. The decisions that decide the livelihood and lifestyles of people in America are made by religious zealots. they just hide it well.
feryl06

[QUOTE="monco59"]

I agree about the religion part, but I don't agree about the scary part. After all, Americans themselves aren't all "Jesus this and Jesus that". I think the zealots are an over-represented minority, which would make it difficult for any administration to incite some sort of New Crusade. 

I'd say China and Russia scare me the most. Now that China is catching up to the rest of the world, they have a better chance of becoming a superpower, which as we all know is what they want. And we all know how great a Communist superpower is, just look at the now-defunct Soviet Union. They were as bad as Nazi Germany. As for Russia, Putin is a real devil. Suppressing all opposition and criticism, he's turning Russia into a new Soviet Union. And as someone who lives right next door to Russia, I'm fairly frightened. We may have beaten them in 1939-44, but who knows what will happen this time?

jakecufc8888

Glad to know that we're not the only messed up country. I wonder what China will do with it's power. Oh, and the thing on the bottom left of your sig doesn't look like Jesus's hand. Summin' else though

You're comparing the US to Russia and China?  pfff this world is going down hill....even though EU has managed to become the new economic super power it won't last long before China surpasses it.

there's no such thing as separationof church and state---that's just something we like to believe. Just turn on the news or read the newspapers and catch up on current events.feryl06

Freedom of religion, which is in the Constitiution...means the government cannot infringe on your rights to practice the religion of your choice.  Where has that been in the news?

[QUOTE="feryl06"]there's no such thing as separationof church and state---that's just something we like to believe. Just turn on the news or read the newspapers and catch up on current events.LJS9502_basic

Freedom of religion, which is in the Constitiution...means the government cannot infringe on your rights to practice the religion of your choice.  Where has that been in the news?

The constitution also claims that the US is a secular nation, but this clearly isnt the case.

there's no such thing as separationof church and state---that's just something we like to believe. Just turn on the news or read the newspapers and catch up on current events.feryl06

Separation of church and state: 

A political and legal principle derived from the First Amendment of the US Constitution which reads, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." 

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="feryl06"]there's no such thing as separationof church and state---that's just something we like to believe. Just turn on the news or read the newspapers and catch up on current events.jointed

Freedom of religion, which is in the Constitiution...means the government cannot infringe on your rights to practice the religion of your choice.  Where has that been in the news?

The constitution also claims that the US is a secular nation, but this clearly isnt the case.

No...what the Constitution claims is that the government can't force specific religions on citizens. Not that religion is not allowed.;)

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="feryl06"]there's no such thing as separationof church and state---that's just something we like to believe. Just turn on the news or read the newspapers and catch up on current events.LJS9502_basic

Freedom of religion, which is in the Constitiution...means the government cannot infringe on your rights to practice the religion of your choice.  Where has that been in the news?

The constitution also claims that the US is a secular nation, but this clearly isnt the case.

No...what the Constitution claims is that the government can't force specific religions on citizens. Not that religion is not allowed.;)

Secularity doesnt mean that religion isnt allowed.....and the constitution claims that the US is a secular nation.....

I would have to disagree that zealots aren't over-represented, especially in the south.

But yeah, China owns all.Yarcofin

Why do you think Japan is starting to build up its army?

You dont ever hear about South Koreas advanced weapons program, do you now?. They dont want to be owned by the Japanese, and used as a proxy by China like what happened during the last 300 years.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="feryl06"]there's no such thing as separationof church and state---that's just something we like to believe. Just turn on the news or read the newspapers and catch up on current events.jointed

Freedom of religion, which is in the Constitiution...means the government cannot infringe on your rights to practice the religion of your choice. Where has that been in the news?

The constitution also claims that the US is a secular nation, but this clearly isnt the case.

No...what the Constitution claims is that the government can't force specific religions on citizens. Not that religion is not allowed.;)

Secularity doesnt mean that religion isnt allowed.....and the constitution claims that the US is a secular nation.....

Thats right...CLAIMS. 

Secularity doesnt mean that religion isnt allowed.....and the constitution claims that the US is a secular nation.....

 

jointed

The US does not have an official religion.  At the time the US was colonized some were escaping countries that had...like the UK.  So Freedom of Relgion was important to the early citizens.  Do you understand what that freedom means?

[QUOTE="jakecufc8888"][QUOTE="monco59"]

I agree about the religion part, but I don't agree about the scary part. After all, Americans themselves aren't all "Jesus this and Jesus that". I think the zealots are an over-represented minority, which would make it difficult for any administration to incite some sort of New Crusade.

I'd say China and Russia scare me the most. Now that China is catching up to the rest of the world, they have a better chance of becoming a superpower, which as we all know is what they want. And we all know how great a Communist superpower is, just look at the now-defunct Soviet Union. They were as bad as Nazi Germany. As for Russia, Putin is a real devil. Suppressing all opposition and criticism, he's turning Russia into a new Soviet Union. And as someone who lives right next door to Russia, I'm fairly frightened. We may have beaten them in 1939-44, but who knows what will happen this time?

jointed

Glad to know that we're not the only messed up country. I wonder what China will do with it's power. Oh, and the thing on the bottom left of your sig doesn't look like Jesus's hand. Summin' else though

You're comparing the US to Russia and China? pfff this world is going down hill....even though EU has managed to become the new economic super power it won't last long before China surpasses it.

 http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/6/1/161458.shtml 

http://www3.sympatico.ca/ian.g.mason/EU_NonSuperpower.htm 

http://www.globalpolicy.org/nations/sovereign/integrate/2003/0722eu.htm

[QUOTE="jointed"]

Secularity doesnt mean that religion isnt allowed.....and the constitution claims that the US is a secular nation.....

 

LJS9502_basic

The US does not have an official religion.  At the time the US was colonized some were escaping countries that had...like the UK.  So Freedom of Relgion was important to the early citizens.  Do you understand what that freedom means?

Cut the crap will you?

I havent said anything about official religion, so I don't know what your talking about.

Secularity (adjective form secular) is the state of being COMPLETELY separate from organizedreligion.

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="jakecufc8888"][QUOTE="monco59"]

I agree about the religion part, but I don't agree about the scary part. After all, Americans themselves aren't all "Jesus this and Jesus that". I think the zealots are an over-represented minority, which would make it difficult for any administration to incite some sort of New Crusade.

I'd say China and Russia scare me the most. Now that China is catching up to the rest of the world, they have a better chance of becoming a superpower, which as we all know is what they want. And we all know how great a Communist superpower is, just look at the now-defunct Soviet Union. They were as bad as Nazi Germany. As for Russia, Putin is a real devil. Suppressing all opposition and criticism, he's turning Russia into a new Soviet Union. And as someone who lives right next door to Russia, I'm fairly frightened. We may have beaten them in 1939-44, but who knows what will happen this time?

UrbanSpartan125

Glad to know that we're not the only messed up country. I wonder what China will do with it's power. Oh, and the thing on the bottom left of your sig doesn't look like Jesus's hand. Summin' else though

You're comparing the US to Russia and China? pfff this world is going down hill....even though EU has managed to become the new economic super power it won't last long before China surpasses it.

 http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/6/1/161458.shtml 

http://www3.sympatico.ca/ian.g.mason/EU_NonSuperpower.htm 

http://www.globalpolicy.org/nations/sovereign/integrate/2003/0722eu.htm

Please, don't start this again, you know where it 'll end up...

The EU is the strongest  economic super power in the world......I don't like the EU...at all.....I'm just stating facts...

[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="jakecufc8888"][QUOTE="monco59"]

I agree about the religion part, but I don't agree about the scary part. After all, Americans themselves aren't all "Jesus this and Jesus that". I think the zealots are an over-represented minority, which would make it difficult for any administration to incite some sort of New Crusade.

I'd say China and Russia scare me the most. Now that China is catching up to the rest of the world, they have a better chance of becoming a superpower, which as we all know is what they want. And we all know how great a Communist superpower is, just look at the now-defunct Soviet Union. They were as bad as Nazi Germany. As for Russia, Putin is a real devil. Suppressing all opposition and criticism, he's turning Russia into a new Soviet Union. And as someone who lives right next door to Russia, I'm fairly frightened. We may have beaten them in 1939-44, but who knows what will happen this time?

jointed

Glad to know that we're not the only messed up country. I wonder what China will do with it's power. Oh, and the thing on the bottom left of your sig doesn't look like Jesus's hand. Summin' else though

You're comparing the US to Russia and China? pfff this world is going down hill....even though EU has managed to become the new economic super power it won't last long before China surpasses it.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/6/1/161458.shtml

http://www3.sympatico.ca/ian.g.mason/EU_NonSuperpower.htm

http://www.globalpolicy.org/nations/sovereign/integrate/2003/0722eu.htm

Please, don't start this again, you know where it 'll end up...

The EU is the strongest economic super power in the world......I don't like the EU...at all.....I'm just stating facts...

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="jakecufc8888"][QUOTE="monco59"]

I agree about the religion part, but I don't agree about the scary part. After all, Americans themselves aren't all "Jesus this and Jesus that". I think the zealots are an over-represented minority, which would make it difficult for any administration to incite some sort of New Crusade.

I'd say China and Russia scare me the most. Now that China is catching up to the rest of the world, they have a better chance of becoming a superpower, which as we all know is what they want. And we all know how great a Communist superpower is, just look at the now-defunct Soviet Union. They were as bad as Nazi Germany. As for Russia, Putin is a real devil. Suppressing all opposition and criticism, he's turning Russia into a new Soviet Union. And as someone who lives right next door to Russia, I'm fairly frightened. We may have beaten them in 1939-44, but who knows what will happen this time?

UrbanSpartan125

Glad to know that we're not the only messed up country. I wonder what China will do with it's power. Oh, and the thing on the bottom left of your sig doesn't look like Jesus's hand. Summin' else though

You're comparing the US to Russia and China? pfff this world is going down hill....even though EU has managed to become the new economic super power it won't last long before China surpasses it.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/6/1/161458.shtml

http://www3.sympatico.ca/ian.g.mason/EU_NonSuperpower.htm

http://www.globalpolicy.org/nations/sovereign/integrate/2003/0722eu.htm

Please, don't start this again, you know where it 'll end up...

The EU is the strongest economic super power in the world......I don't like the EU...at all.....I'm just stating facts...

Actually, the EU surpassed the US last year...

You can call the EU what you want , but the effect it has is the same as any economic superpower....

It still doesnt matter because China will surpass them both

Cut the crap will you?

I havent said anything about official religion, so I don't know what your talking about.

Secularity (adjective form secular) is the state of being COMPLETELY separate from organizedreligion.

 

jointed

Freedom of Religion is in the Constitiution.  Separation of Church and State is not.  Now what are YOU talking about.

[QUOTE="jointed"]

Cut the crap will you?

I havent said anything about official religion, so I don't know what your talking about.

Secularity (adjective form secular) is the state of being COMPLETELY separate from organizedreligion.

 

LJS9502_basic

Freedom of Religion is in the Constitiution.  Separation of Church and State is not.  Now what are YOU talking about.

Although the Constitution does not include the phrase "Separation of Church & State," neither does it say "Freedom of religion." However, the Constitution implies both in the 1st Amendment.

"Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. "

For those who don't like ready a lot here's the short version. America becoming more and more fundamentalist this is a bad thing for America and world. This scares me more than terrorism. People, who believe in religion it's a personal thing and not something you should force on other people, you should not indoctrinate your children, let them decide honestly whether they believe in the religion or not at an appropriate age e.g. mid teens without having previously pushed this religion on them during their childhood. The world needs enlightened children not those who just copy their parents. Religion should stay out of America's political process as it says in the constitution and is the right thing to do.AcidJiles

This is the most ridicilous thing I have read on the forums today. You are scared of Christians more than terrorist. Muslim extremist blow themselves up to kill children, woman, and anyone else that is not a muslim, even if means killing other Muslims. You are not the one to tell people how to raise their kids anyway. Terrorist raise their children to kill infidels. Get real!

 Nobody can force a religion on a person with out a gun to their head. You obvilously cant read the Constitution because it states that the government cannot respect a religion, which means adhearing to a religion. It does not mean that polititions cannot make decisions in according to their beliefs.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="jointed"]

Cut the crap will you?

I havent said anything about official religion, so I don't know what your talking about.

Secularity (adjective form secular) is the state of being COMPLETELY separate from organizedreligion.

 

jointed

Freedom of Religion is in the Constitiution.  Separation of Church and State is not.  Now what are YOU talking about.

Although the Constitution does not include the phrase "Separation of Church & State," neither does it say "Freedom of religion." However, the Constitution implies both in the 1st Amendment.

"Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. "

Uh...dude...that is Freedom of religion.