[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"][QUOTE="Vuurk"] The idea that unions and collective bargaining are bad things is not at all extremist. Many economists would agree with this idea. I'm sure there are economists who support it, but to call it an extremist ideology is ridiculous. If you claim to have taking an econ course then you should have a good understanding of many peoples' criticisms of unions I assume? Also why do you feel it is necessary to randomly throw the word 'derp' into your sentences?Vuurk
cause ur a derp. I just call it as I see it.Of course it's not in the best interest of companies to give a sh*t about their workers. That's why people who aren't idiots and sociopaths support decent wages and working conditions. Just look at working conditions before unions, do you honestly think that's ok?
You have just proved to me that you have never taken an econ class. Direct Quote from Nobel winning economist Milton Friedman: "When unions get higher wages for their members by restricting entry into an occupation, those higher wages are at the expense of other workers who find their opportunities reduced. When government pays its employees higher wages, those higher wages are at the expense of the taxpayer. But when workers get higher wages and better working conditions through the free market, when they get raises by firm competing with one another for the best workers, by workers competing with one another for the best jobs, those higher wages are at nobody's expense. They can only come from higher productivity, greater capital investment, more widely diffused skills. The whole pie is bigger - there's more for the worker, but there's also more for the employer, the investor, the consumer, and even the tax collector. That's the way the free market system distributes the fruits of economic progress among all people. That's the secret of the enormous improvements in the conditions of the working person over the past two centuries." I do not have time to teach you economics. However, for now you could begin by reading this: so you at least have some basic understanding of the criticism of unions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_to_trade_unions#Left_critiques_of_trade_unionism I have only seen you post maybe less than 2 dozen times, but from this thread and the Libertarian one you have proven yourself to be a bigot and I find it very ironic that you are calling other people "derps". - (quite possibly the worst internet meme yet btw)And this right here is exactly how Libertarianism fails.
First off, how are unions "closing off opportunities"? What are THEY deciding who gets hired in now? No, they aren't. The only way they have ANY bearing on who is hired is if you are an idiot and try and not be apart of your union when you land a job.
Secondly, what the hell does government jobs have to do with a free market? So long as we have a government there are going to be positions for governmental jobs to keep the big machine turning. This is a completely different entity here from the rest of the market and yet you are trying to bring up some silly arguement in regards to taxpayers paying for better wages.
Thirdly, and most importantly, even if this reasoning was sound you forget one tiny bit of info: WITHOUT REGULATIONS THESE INCREASED WAGES AND BETTER WORKING CONDITIONS WERE NON-EXISTENT! Good God people like you have absolutely no damn clue about anything. Seriously go read a freaking textbook. Also pay attention to this issue with illegal immigrants getting jobs because the companies can pay them below minimum wage and they can't do anything about it because of their status in the country.
Hell, I had some pizza place take me for a fool years back and try and pay me like a full $1 an hour below minimum wage in a non-tipping position. Needless to say I didn't stay there long...
But yeah, simply put you are a fool and are way too naive for your own good. I seriously hope you don't vote.
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