American Atheists sue over ground zero cross.

This cross was found in the wreckage of the world trade center. It has now been moved to the 911 memorial museum.

If it means something to some people then why sue over it. I just don't see how it's harming anyone. I would hope to hear from some athiests on this and I'm sure I will:)

Good, it's offensive to have people force religion on others. Just because there's a lot of Christians, doesn't mean they get to throw Crosses on everything, it's rude and disrespectful to other religions.Nibroc420

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]Good, it's offensive to have people force religion on others. Just because there's a lot of Christians, doesn't mean they get to throw Crosses on everything, it's rude and disrespectful to other religions.junglist101

From article:

Silverman said that if the 9/11 Memorial foundation allows all other religious memorials of equal size and prominence to be displayed in the museum, the group would "happily, happily, drop the case."

"It's an all or nothing deal. They can remove the cross, or they can let everybody else in. Either way is legal and we would drop the case," Silverman said.

Stupid things like this are why people hate atheists.scorch-62

What do you mean it was just found there like that? Was it actually a part of the building that just broke off like that, and just happened to look like that?

How can anyone even sue over this, how does it effect them exactly? What a stupid thing to sue over.

Why do some atheists feel like they need to completely censor or rid of everything that has to do with religion, just let people believe in what they want to. We do have the right.

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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]Good, it's offensive to have people force religion on others. Just because there's a lot of Christians, doesn't mean they get to throw Crosses on everything, it's rude and disrespectful to other religions.Nibroc420

Sure it was. :roll:Nibroc420

From article:

Silverman said that if the 9/11 Memorial foundation allows all other religious memorials of equal size and prominence to be displayed in the museum, the group would "happily, happily, drop the case."

"It's an all or nothing deal. They can remove the cross, or they can let everybody else in. Either way is legal and we would drop the case," Silverman said.

tenaka2

American Atheists president Dave Silverman. "They want a monopoly and we don't want that to happen."

It wasn't even a monopoly until you said anything. Wow...

American Atheists president Dave Silverman. "They want a monopoly and we don't want that to happen."

It wasn't even a monopoly until you said anything. Wow...

gotdangit

Stunts like this, and banning school Christmas celebrations are why people are not found of atheists

The separation of church and state is important, but you don't have to be an @$$ about everything.

How about showing Christians the respect you say they are not giving you. You know setting an example.

^My comments are aimed towards vocal atheist like the ones in the article. Not atheists as a whole.

From article:

Silverman said that if the 9/11 Memorial foundation allows all other religious memorials of equal size and prominence to be displayed in the museum, the group would "happily, happily, drop the case."

"It's an all or nothing deal. They can remove the cross, or they can let everybody else in. Either way is legal and we would drop the case," Silverman said.

tenaka2

The atheist group said that they have contacted the 9/11 Memorial and Museum requesting to display their own atheistic memorial next to the steel-shaped cross, possibly in the form of an atom or an American flag, to represent the "500 non-religious Americans" who were "among the victims of the 9/11 attack."

They want to put an atom into the memorial :lol:An atom. I love when real news stories are indistinguishable from The Onion.

Stupid things like this are why people hate atheists.scorch-62

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From article:

Silverman said that if the 9/11 Memorial foundation allows all other religious memorials of equal size and prominence to be displayed in the museum, the group would "happily, happily, drop the case."

"It's an all or nothing deal. They can remove the cross, or they can let everybody else in. Either way is legal and we would drop the case," Silverman said.

Nibroc420

If I said a prayer for you, would you find that offensive? That's how I see it, just because They leave something for someone doesn't mean they're forcing religion on anyone.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

From article:

Silverman said that if the 9/11 Memorial foundation allows all other religious memorials of equal size and prominence to be displayed in the museum, the group would "happily, happily, drop the case."

"It's an all or nothing deal. They can remove the cross, or they can let everybody else in. Either way is legal and we would drop the case," Silverman said.

SaintLeonidas

(stuff he quoted)tenaka2

I'm glad someone else decided to read the actual article.

That "cross" is nothing but blatant propaganda.

I personally don't care.

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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]Good, it's offensive to have people force religion on others. Just because there's a lot of Christians, doesn't mean they get to throw Crosses on everything, it's rude and disrespectful to other religions.Nibroc420

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

From article:

Silverman said that if the 9/11 Memorial foundation allows all other religious memorials of equal size and prominence to be displayed in the museum, the group would "happily, happily, drop the case."

"It's an all or nothing deal. They can remove the cross, or they can let everybody else in. Either way is legal and we would drop the case," Silverman said.

Nibroc420

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

From article:

Silverman said that if the 9/11 Memorial foundation allows all other religious memorials of equal size and prominence to be displayed in the museum, the group would "happily, happily, drop the case."

"It's an all or nothing deal. They can remove the cross, or they can let everybody else in. Either way is legal and we would drop the case," Silverman said.

gotdangit

If I said a prayer for you, would you find that offensive? That's how I see it, just because They leave something for someone doesn't mean they're forcing religion on anyone.

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

From article:

Silverman said that if the 9/11 Memorial foundation allows all other religious memorials of equal size and prominence to be displayed in the museum, the group would "happily, happily, drop the case."

"It's an all or nothing deal. They can remove the cross, or they can let everybody else in. Either way is legal and we would drop the case," Silverman said.

Nibroc420

They're not allowing any other religious icons within the memorialNibroc420

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"] ...it is a museum, it is going in not solely based on the religious aspect of it but also its history at the site since it was discovered, why would we put other random memorials in a MUSEUM if they hold no significance other than to promote certain religions?...sort of goes against the exact sort of thing this group is complaining about. gotdangit

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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] They're making something that doesn't need to be religious, into a religious thing. They're forcing everyone to respect a Cross, but leaving every other religion in the dark. They're essentially saying "Christianity > Your religion", by including this trash in their memorial.Nibroc420

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="gotdangit"]How is a cross disrespectful to those who died. The way I see it, it's more like Christians respecting and giving prayer to those who died.

If I said a prayer for you, would you find that offensive? That's how I see it, just because They leave something for someone doesn't mean they're forcing religion on anyone.

gotdangit

On another note, stop being a troll, you just come into controversial topics and disagree with everyone to make people angry and argue with you.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="gotdangit"]Atheism isn't a religion, and maybe if there was an "atom" or "american flag" looking icon in the rubble or thing that reminded others of another religion it could have been added. The only reason the cross was there was because it was from the actual building. It's a museum of 9/11, not "Museum of random stuff that represents religions because we don't want Christianity to be the only one"

gotdangit

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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] It's a museum to help remember those who died. Meaning you've got to respect those who died. It's disrespectful to include some of the people's religions, but not everyone's religion. They're favoring Christianity, which is wrong. Lets go to the Hiroshima Memorial Peace Museum, and remove all photos depicting females, because it's to remember what happened, not the people right? :roll:Nibroc420

Ok there is a Christian symbol, that represents the Christians in one way, religion, and for everyone else, there are other icons that represent those people, just not in religion. Like I said, the cross doesn't represeent people, it's more like a blessing. You're acting as if the cross has all the names of people who were christian and not anyone else. The cross doesn't represent Christians only, and it's not representing everyone.

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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] I would find it offensive if my family was Jewish, or Muslim, and when going to a memorial for my family who died in 9/11, I'm forced to look at a religious symbol that is not my own, and does not represent my family. They're not allowing any other religious icons within the memorial, which is a clear bias towards christians. It's like if they drew a mural, depicting everyone who died, but making everyone white. It doesn't represent everyone, and is disrespectful to those who died, but dont get remembered or included.KeitekeTokage

On another note, stop being a troll, you just come into controversial topics and disagree with everyone to make people angry and argue with you.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="gotdangit"]So you're saying the only way to remember people who died is by showing an icon of their religion? Yep, that's certainly the only way to remember someone, by what religion they were, not by who they actually were... or by name.

gotdangit

Ok there is a Christian symbol, that represents the Christians in one way, religion, and for everyone else, there are other icons that represent those people, just not in religion. Like I said, the cross doesn't represeent people, it's more like a blessing. You're acting as if the cross has all the names of people who were christian and not anyone else. The cross doesn't represent Christians only, and it's not representing everyone.

Quote from the article:

"The 9/11 Memorial foundation told ABCNews.com that other religious artifacts will be included in the 9/11 Memorial Museum. A Star of David cut from WTC steel and a Bible fused to a piece of steel that was found during recovery efforts will both be on display in the same historical exhibition as the cross.

A Jewish prayer shawl, donated by a victim's family member, will be part of the museum's memorial exhibition."

So other religions are being represented. But it's not even the point of them being religious to begin with. A Bible was fused to a piece of steel, they wouldn't just throw that away simply because it was a Bible. It's part of the history of the place. I'm not really understanding the uproar. A victim's family member was able to donate something, it doesn't mean another victim's family member couldn't donate something to. The American Atheists are making a big deal over nothing really.

Atheist extremists are just as bad as any other kind of extremist.

The American Atheists are making a big deal over nothing really.

StrifeDelivery

Sounds similar to what was said when Terry Jones disrespected muslims everywhere by claiming they're all terrorists, and that their Quran teaches terrorism.
"Pfft, the Muslims dont matter, who cares, it's not a big deal"

Yeah, alright, it's not a big deal to you, because you're not insulted.

Atheist extremists are just as bad as any other kind of extremist.dommeus

Atheist extremists are just as bad as any other kind of extremist.

dommeus

They're as bad as Islamist terrorists? Don't think so

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Atheist extremists are just as bad as any other kind of extremist.

imaps3fanboy

They're as bad as Islamist terrorists? Don't think so

[QUOTE="StrifeDelivery"]

The American Atheists are making a big deal over nothing really.

Nibroc420

Sounds similar to what was said when Terry Jones disrespected muslims everywhere by claiming they're all terrorists, and that their Quran teaches terrorism.
"Pfft, the Muslims dont matter, who cares, it's not a big deal"

Yeah, alright, it's not a big deal to you, because you're not insulted.

It isn't a big deal, no one should be insulted by it. It would be insulting if a religion had an icon there and it was removed... oh wait.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="StrifeDelivery"]

The American Atheists are making a big deal over nothing really.

gotdangit

Sounds similar to what was said when Terry Jones disrespected muslims everywhere by claiming they're all terrorists, and that their Quran teaches terrorism.
"Pfft, the Muslims dont matter, who cares, it's not a big deal"

Yeah, alright, it's not a big deal to you, because you're not insulted.

It isn't a big deal, no one should be insulted by it. It would be insulting if a religion had an icon there and it was removed... oh wait.

[QUOTE="StrifeDelivery"]

The American Atheists are making a big deal over nothing really.

Nibroc420

Sounds similar to what was said when Terry Jones disrespected muslims everywhere by claiming they're all terrorists, and that their Quran teaches terrorism.
"Pfft, the Muslims dont matter, who cares, it's not a big deal"

Yeah, alright, it's not a big deal to you, because you're not insulted.

They are both extremes. I'm not agreeing with either individual here, Terry Jones or the American Atheists. If they found a half-burned Quran from one of the office workers, it would probably be included in the museum. Also, isn't there the tattered American flag that they found at ground zero? Would that be sufficient for the American Atheists? They wanted to have an atom or a flag on display at the museum. All the items present were either donated or found at ground zero. I don't know why people should go through a checklist procedure to see if an item qualifies to be included into the museum or not :?

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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

Sounds similar to what was said when Terry Jones disrespected muslims everywhere by claiming they're all terrorists, and that their Quran teaches terrorism.
"Pfft, the Muslims dont matter, who cares, it's not a big deal"

Yeah, alright, it's not a big deal to you, because you're not insulted.

Nibroc420

It isn't a big deal, no one should be insulted by it. It would be insulting if a religion had an icon there and it was removed... oh wait.

[QUOTE="gotdangit"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

Sounds similar to what was said when Terry Jones disrespected muslims everywhere by claiming they're all terrorists, and that their Quran teaches terrorism.
"Pfft, the Muslims dont matter, who cares, it's not a big deal"

Yeah, alright, it's not a big deal to you, because you're not insulted.

Nibroc420

It isn't a big deal, no one should be insulted by it. It would be insulting if a religion had an icon there and it was removed... oh wait.

I'm confused. Who is left in the dark? Hinduism? Buddhism? Atheism? Once again, the items used in the museum were either found or donated. The Jewish prayer shawl was donated and is going to be on display. I don't understand who is getting more special treatment here than someone else. If an individual was Hindu and one of the family members wanted to donate a statue or something, I wouldn't see the problem. It doesn't sound like someone has done that yet though, but it doesn't mean that they couldn't

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[QUOTE="gotdangit"]How does disrespecting a religion sound similar to saying, "they're making a big deal over nothing?"

It isn't a big deal, no one should be insulted by it. It would be insulting if a religion had an icon there and it was removed... oh wait.

gotdangit

[QUOTE="gotdangit"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] It's disrespectful to represent the religion of a few victims, but not all of them. Christians are not any more special than anyone else, they do not get special privileges. Nor should they get to be represented while everyone else is left in the dark.

Nibroc420

It was found in the rubble of the crashed building. They are using it in their museum. Someone already said they are accepting other icons from religions of things that had to do with the crash. Just because their is a Christian cross... (which it isn't, it's just happens to look like one) doesn't mean it represents only Christians and even more, it doesn't mean it ignores all other religions.