American Senate enjoys recidivism, no food stamps for felons

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="dude_brahmski"]

Yes, let's go with the most expensive, least efficient options.

dude_brahmski

Ideally after conviction it should only cost a bullet or some rope to execute someone.

Living conditions can also be lowered substantially to keep costs down. Felons could also be used for forced labour to again lower costs.

It's still bloody expensive in contrast to having most of them returning to a normal life a la Norway.

But I guess we could always try to do things the worst way possible because we can!

except it's not.

Felons do not deserve a "normal life".

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]Of course Aljosa would complain about people in a country he doesn't live in not being given free food that's paid for by other people in that country he doesn't live in.Laihendi

A logical government would simply intercept those funds and use them for their own purposes.

I imagine war would not be out of the question either.

[QUOTE="dude_brahmski"]

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

Ideally after conviction it should only cost a bullet or some rope to execute someone.

Living conditions can also be lowered substantially to keep costs down. Felons could also be used for forced labour to again lower costs.

frannkzappa

It's still bloody expensive in contrast to having most of them returning to a normal life a la Norway.

But I guess we could always try to do things the worst way possible because we can!

except it's not.

Felons do not deserve a "normal life".

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]Of course Aljosa would complain about people in a country he doesn't live in not being given free food that's paid for by other people in that country he doesn't live in.Laihendi

[QUOTE="dude_brahmski"]

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

Ideally after conviction it should only cost a bullet or some rope to execute someone.

 

Living conditions can also be lowered substantially to keep costs down. Felons could also be used for forced labour to again lower costs.

frannkzappa

It's still bloody expensive in contrast to having most of them returning to a normal life a la Norway.

But I guess we could always try to do things the worst way possible because we can!

except it's not.

Felons do not deserve a "normal life".

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="dude_brahmski"]

It's still bloody expensive in contrast to having most of them returning to a normal life a la Norway.

But I guess we could always try to do things the worst way possible because we can!

m25105

except it's not.

Felons do not deserve a "normal life".

[QUOTE="dude_brahmski"]

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

Ideally after conviction it should only cost a bullet or some rope to execute someone.

 

Living conditions can also be lowered substantially to keep costs down. Felons could also be used for forced labour to again lower costs.

frannkzappa

It's still bloody expensive in contrast to having most of them returning to a normal life a la Norway.

But I guess we could always try to do things the worst way possible because we can!

except it's not.

Felons do not deserve a "normal life".

Eh, they can learn.  People err.  Sometimes they can return to normalcy.  In some places, recidivism is quite low.  Or we could spend more money to have fewer productive, successful people because we must complete a societal quest to achieve inferiority.

I am curious what you think about this idea: What if the Canadian government started a (taxpayer-funded) foreign aid program to provide violent criminals in the United States with food stamps? Would you support/oppose such a program? Please share your thoughts on this.Laihendi

Please ban vuurk altDroidPhysX

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

except it's not.

Felons do not deserve a "normal life".

BossPerson

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="dude_brahmski"]

It's still bloody expensive in contrast to having most of them returning to a normal life a la Norway.

But I guess we could always try to do things the worst way possible because we can!

BossPerson

except it's not.

Felons do not deserve a "normal life".

No i am not, just for violent felonies or ones that involve interfering with the US government (treason).

I'm 29 btw... not like that has any bearing on the conversation.

[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

except it's not.

Felons do not deserve a "normal life".

frannkzappa

No i am not, just for violent felonies or ones that involve interfering with the US government (treason).

I'm 29 btw... not like that has any bearing on the conversation.

[QUOTE="dude_brahmski"]

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

Ideally after conviction it should only cost a bullet or some rope to execute someone.

Living conditions can also be lowered substantially to keep costs down. Felons could also be used for forced labour to again lower costs.

frannkzappa

It's still bloody expensive in contrast to having most of them returning to a normal life a la Norway.

But I guess we could always try to do things the worst way possible because we can!

except it's not.

Felons do not deserve a "normal life".

[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

except it's not.

Felons do not deserve a "normal life".

frannkzappa

No i am not, just for violent felonies or ones that involve interfering with the US government (treason).

I'm 29 btw... not like that has any bearing on the conversation.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]I am curious what you think about this idea: What if the Canadian government started a (taxpayer-funded) foreign aid program to provide violent criminals in the United States with food stamps? Would you support/oppose such a program? Please share your thoughts on this.Aljosa23

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="dude_brahmski"]

It's still bloody expensive in contrast to having most of them returning to a normal life a la Norway.

But I guess we could always try to do things the worst way possible because we can!

m25105

Felons do not deserve a "normal life".

A healthy, logical and productive man would not resort to violence in that situation.

Technocracy is not "black and white" it is very flexible.

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]I am curious what you think about this idea: What if the Canadian government started a (taxpayer-funded) foreign aid program to provide violent criminals in the United States with food stamps? Would you support/oppose such a program? Please share your thoughts on this.Laihendi

(because I am not a 18 year old idealist who is still high off his philosophy 1000 class) BossPerson

lol

perfect description

[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

Felons do not deserve a "normal life".

frannkzappa

A healthy, logical and productive man would not resort to violence in that situation.

Technocracy is not "black and white" it is very flexible.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]so, you're basically advocating for life in prison for every felony offence? Or execution? Here's the question, are you 17? m25105

No i am not, just for violent felonies or ones that involve interfering with the US government (treason).

I'm 29 btw... not like that has any bearing on the conversation.

What part of violent felons and treason don't you understand?

Frank, can you define treason? 

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]I am curious what you think about this idea: What if the Canadian government started a (taxpayer-funded) foreign aid program to provide violent criminals in the United States with food stamps? Would you support/oppose such a program? Please share your thoughts on this.Laihendi

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

No i am not, just for violent felonies or ones that involve interfering with the US government (treason).

I'm 29 btw... not like that has any bearing on the conversation.

frannkzappa

What part of violent felons and treason don't you understand?

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="dude_brahmski"]

It's still bloody expensive in contrast to having most of them returning to a normal life a la Norway.

But I guess we could always try to do things the worst way possible because we can!

Bane_09

except it's not.

Felons do not deserve a "normal life".

I don't think drug possession(or growing and selling) should be a federal crime in the first place.

Tax fraud definitly deserves imprisonment, but maybe not quite as sever as other felonies.

I see Lai is butthurt again. Either that or excellent trolling.DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="m25105"] You must have a very closed mind if you think everyone in prison doesn't deserve a normal life. Bad life experience that has clouded your judgement, or have you just lived a sheltered life?m25105

What part of violent felons and treason don't you understand?

sounds like a matter for a police force not a vigilante.

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

What part of violent felons and treason don't you understand?

frannkzappa

sounds like a matter for a police force not a vigilante.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]That will never happen so it's a dumb question.BossPerson

Frank, can you define treason?

BossPerson

"treason is the crime that covers some of the more extreme acts against one's sovereign or nation" from wikipedia.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="m25105"] What part of not understanding that a man knocking a guy out in a street fight cause the other dude insulted him, don't you understand? If a drunk bastard walked up to your lady and told her to get down and suck it, you'd just give him a stern lecture and do nothing? Believe it or not, plenty of good normal guys are in prison cause of a street fight.m25105

sounds like a matter for a police force not a vigilante.

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

sounds like a matter for a police force not a vigilante.

 

 

BossPerson

Yeah, that's the first post from 'zappa ITT that borders on reasonable.

So you are evading the question. Obviously you would never consider freely buying food for violent criminals in the United States (or else you would, since there is nothing stopping you). Your non-answer indicates that you would also oppose being forced to fund a foreign-aid program (via taxes) to do that same thing, and that you do not want to admit it because such an admission would undermine your entire political philosophy. If people should be forced to tend to the welfare of others at their own expense, why should you be an exception? If I should be forced to buy dinner for a murderer, why should you not have to contribute as well? Why do I owe the murderer any more than you do? If the proper concern is others at the expense of the self, why should the Canadian government not contribute to American criminals in need of food? Of course no Canadian would benefit from such a program, but the entire point of your political philosophy is to help others regardless of whether you benefit from it. If you are unwilling to give to those whom you owe nothing, then you have no right to criticize others for doing the same thing.Laihendi

I even highlighted in the original post the reasons why this piece of legislation seems counter-productive to rehabilitation...which is the whole reason why anyone should go to prison. If something like this was introduced in Canada you damn right I would be upset at my government.

I see what you're trying to do and it's pretty boring. You can't even think of good reasons for this legislation and instead feel like going on personal attacks.

cant wait to see his next evasion.mmwmwmmwmwmm

Laihendi is bad at posing questions to demonstrate a point.  I would be disappointed, but the point he was attempting to make was stupid anyway.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="m25105"] "So Frank what you in for?" "Well some asshole called my wife a whore and I knocked him out, but he pressed charges at me, so now I'm here" Maybe you should look beyond black and white.

m25105

A healthy, logical and productive man would not resort to violence in that situation.

Technocracy is not "black and white" it is very flexible.

Laihendi is bad at posing questions to demonstrate a point.  I would be disappointed, but the point he was attempting to make was stupid anyway.

dude_brahmski

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="m25105"] "So Frank what you in for?" "Well some asshole called my wife a whore and I knocked him out, but he pressed charges at me, so now I'm here" Maybe you should look beyond black and white.

m25105

A healthy, logical and productive man would not resort to violence in that situation.

Technocracy is not "black and white" it is very flexible.

[QUOTE="mmwmwmmwmwmm"]cant wait to see his next evasion.Aljosa23

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]So you are evading the question. Obviously you would never consider freely buying food for violent criminals in the United States (or else you would, since there is nothing stopping you). Your non-answer indicates that you would also oppose being forced to fund a foreign-aid program (via taxes) to do that same thing, and that you do not want to admit it because such an admission would undermine your entire political philosophy. If people should be forced to tend to the welfare of others at their own expense, why should you be an exception? If I should be forced to buy dinner for a murderer, why should you not have to contribute as well? Why do I owe the murderer any more than you do? If the proper concern is others at the expense of the self, why should the Canadian government not contribute to American criminals in need of food? Of course no Canadian would benefit from such a program, but the entire point of your political philosophy is to help others regardless of whether you benefit from it. If you are unwilling to give to those whom you owe nothing, then you have no right to criticize others for doing the same thing.Aljosa23

I even highlighted in the original post the reasons why this piece of legislation seems counter-productive to rehabilitation...which is the whole reason why anyone should go to prison. If something like this was introduced in Canada you damn right I would be upset at my government.

I see what you're trying to do and it's pretty boring. You can't even think of good reasons for this legislation and instead feel like going on personal attacks.

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="mmwmwmmwmwmm"]cant wait to see his next evasion.mmwmwmmwmwmm

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="mmwmwmmwmwmm"]cant wait to see his next evasion.mmwmwmmwmwmm

[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] So you are evading the question. Obviously you would never consider freely buying food for violent criminals in the United States (or else you would, since there is nothing stopping you). Your non-answer indicates that you would also oppose being forced to fund a foreign-aid program (via taxes) to do that same thing, and that you do not want to admit it because such an admission would undermine your entire political philosophy. If people should be forced to tend to the welfare of others at their own expense, why should you be an exception? If I should be forced to buy dinner for a murderer, why should you not have to contribute as well? Why do I owe the murderer any more than you do? If the proper concern is others at the expense of the self, why should the Canadian government not contribute to American criminals in need of food? Of course no Canadian would benefit from such a program, but the entire point of your political philosophy is to help others regardless of whether you benefit from it. If you are unwilling to give to those whom you owe nothing, then you have no right to criticize others for doing the same thing.Laihendi

Lai what's your response to my answer to the question you posed a few pages back?

[QUOTE="mmwmwmmwmwmm"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]lmao could you suck his dick even more? how sadPannicAtack

[QUOTE="mmwmwmmwmwmm"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]lmao could you suck his dick even more? how sad

Aljosa23

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="mmwmwmmwmwmm"]cant wait to see his next evasion.mmwmwmmwmwmm