Americans criticise European reaction to Bin Laden

[QUOTE="__Chris__"]

[QUOTE="IAMTHEJOKER88"]

On pincipal, considering the legality of these killings, what is the difference, both are barbaricly celebrating a person's death.

IAMTHEJOKER88

You have got to be delusional if you think celebrating the death of a mass murder, who is sworn to take down your country, is equivalent to terrorists celebrating 3000 innocent people being killed.

No i don't. Different scale, same principle. Both unarmed, both illegal deaths. I just think we should celebrate justice... not whatever this is.

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No...more like why hide where one is from while bashing another country. I have never said the US government doesn't make mistakes. It does. All governments do. They are run by humans. Humans are not perfect. But the US does help other countries. Something that gets no mention here cause it's so cool to bash the US.LJS9502_basic

its not like i hide behind it, considering i have answered this question in multiple threads..

Excuse me for not taking every defensive american seriously then. Obviously some of their arguments are based on facts and not patriotism

well i dont think i need too, i have noticed you in a couple of threads y'know, and even if we have our disagreements i still think your very open minded tbh.

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

well i bash everything that i dont think is right, im sorry if thats not your way of doing things. And America being the center of the world. its not hard to get some info.

Half-Way

yeah i obviously am, i would love to move to America. The Airport controls themselves are a dream come true :P

Well you sound Jelly... pretty mad that the US is the single largest economic, military, intellectucal and social power this world has ever known...

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]American celebration? I don't celebrate the death of anyone. And in day to day life I have not encountered anyone that even mentions it. The media gives a skewed view that is not representative. Second.....I'm not sure what your point is about other attacks. Every country is more affected by their problems. I doubt 9-11 was a big deal in the UK, Spain...etc.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Half-Way"]

its not like i hide behind it, considering i have answered this question in multiple threads..

Excuse me for not taking every defensive american seriously then. Obviously some of their arguments are based on facts and not patriotism

Half-Way

well i dont think i need too, i have noticed you in a couple of threads y'know, and even if we have our disagreements i still think your very open minded tbh.

[QUOTE="IAMTHEJOKER88"]

[QUOTE="__Chris__"]

You have got to be delusional if you think celebrating the death of a mass murder, who is sworn to take down your country, is equivalent to terrorists celebrating 3000 innocent people being killed.

LJS9502_basic

No i don't. Different scale, same principle. Both unarmed, both illegal deaths. I just think we should celebrate justice... not whatever this is.

Hitler's death meant the end of a five year long world war... millions dead.

Bin Laden's death will only have an effect on a symbolic level. For many it is simply vengeance. A bad comparison in my opinion.

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

heysharpshooter

yeah i obviously am, i would love to move to America. The Airport controls themselves are a dream come true :P

Well you sound Jelly... pretty mad that the US is the single largest economic, military, intellectucal and social power this world has ever known...

i dont know if you actually read any of my posts then :?

or done any research on the country i live in already..

[QUOTE="__Chris__"]

[QUOTE="IAMTHEJOKER88"]

On pincipal, considering the legality of these killings, what is the difference, both are barbaricly celebrating a person's death.

IAMTHEJOKER88

You have got to be delusional if you think celebrating the death of a mass murder, who is sworn to take down your country, is equivalent to terrorists celebrating 3000 innocent people being killed.

No i don't. Different scale, same principle. Both unarmed, both illegal deaths. I just think we should celebrate justice... not whatever this is.

Are you serious? You don't think Osama should have died? The only reason I feel any sadness over Osama's death is that he wasn't tortured before they killed him.

How can you possibly say that the killing of a terrorist/mass murdererand 3000 innocentsare the same thing?

EDIT: forgot an important word

Are you serious? You don't think Osama should have died? The only reason I feel any sadness over Osama's death is that he wasn't tortured before they killed him.

How can you possibly say that the killing of a terrorist and mass murderer are the same thing?

Of course, but 9/11 (and the attacks in London and Madrid) were broadcast live worldwide. As a 10 year old, getting home from school and seeing the events occur sent a shiver down my spine - it's an event that I'll never forget (and I'm sure billions won't either) despite it not occurring in my country, many people still view it as the emergence of extremist islamic terror upon the western world. On topic...I haven't heard of anyone criticising the US here, I was still awake for some reason when the news broke. I don't want to criticise those who were celebrating in the streets either - it was a sudden reaction to a global figure of hate.Ravensmash

I can't believe that so many people still don't understand the tens of thousands of lives that Bin Laden had destroyed, not just Americans, but thousands of Islamic people, many Europeans, and many other non-Muslim people from the Middle East.

He was certainly a tyrant as much as Hitler or Stalin was. Sure not on the same level, but he didn't have the means to be. His goal was to murder civilians to prove a point, one that got many innocent people tied up into terrorist organizations. He used fear as a weapon to recruit many young men to die pointlessly in a hopeless cause of death and destruction.

If you would all learn the definition of a terrorist, you may understand what you're doing by comparing America and the rest of NATO to terrorist organization is absolutely incorrect.

A quick Google search brings up the best definition of a terrorists as "those violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for a religious, political or ideological goal, deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (civilians), and are committed by non-government agencies."

America and it's allies do not attack civilians to cause fear, instead civilians end up dead because of the cowardly actions of the terrorists and insurgents. Buses loaded with women and children would be driving down the streets at allied checkpoints with 1-2 gunman in the center shooting out of the windows so that when the allies shot back, they would hit the civilians and children. Bombing of marketplaces, mosques, and other public buildings with a sole intention of killing civilians. Hiding weapon caches in hospitals, schools, mosques, all so that when the allies tried to find them and disarm the terrorist factions, they would hurt more civilians during the fighting.

We killed a mass murdering bastard who deliberately targeted civilians, spread fear to millions, and has brainwashed thousands of young men to carry out his actions while he hides in a bunker like a coward, to afraid to fight his own fight.

If you're comparing him to any of the actions by the US, or the fact we are glad that this menace that has disrupted the world is now gone to the acts of terrorists or any who celebrate the deaths of innocent, I do believe you are letting your blind hatred of America cloud your judgement. America doesn't kill civilians on purpose, in fact many American deaths in the Middle East have been due to the protection of innocent civilians, even if those civilians were the ones throwing rocks at them during a patrol.

Nobody asked for this. Even before 9/11 the western world was being hit time and time again by terrorists and after 9/11 they hit our European allies with the same kind of terror.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="IAMTHEJOKER88"]

No i don't. Different scale, same principle. Both unarmed, both illegal deaths. I just think we should celebrate justice... not whatever this is.

IAMTHEJOKER88

Hitler's death meant the end of a five year long world war... millions dead.

Bin Laden's death will only have an effect on a symbolic level. For many it is simply vengeance. A bad comparison in my opinion.

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

yeah i obviously am, i would love to move to America. The Airport controls themselves are a dream come true :P

Half-Way

Well you sound Jelly... pretty mad that the US is the single largest economic, military, intellectucal and social power this world has ever known...

i dont know if you actually read any of my posts then :?

or done any research on the country i live in already..

Im sure your country is great... can't say I care where you are from, but even if I did, I promise I wouldn't waste trolling time bashing it, since I don't know anything about it... makes you sound jelly...

I honestly think the seals should have done evreything possible to capture him instead of killing him. But then again, his capture would probably lead to more madness, and let's be honest, putting the guy on trial would be just a show. He was going to get teh death sentance anyway, and if it turned out like Saddam, he would have been killed before his trial ended, and he would be tortured and such, further degrading the US's reputation. So it's best he got killed, for his sake, and the damage that would follow to the US's reputation of his treatment(take how manning is being treated and multiply it by 10).

[QUOTE="IAMTHEJOKER88"]

[QUOTE="__Chris__"]

You have got to be delusional if you think celebrating the death of a mass murder, who is sworn to take down your country, is equivalent to terrorists celebrating 3000 innocent people being killed.

ROFLCOPTER603

No i don't. Different scale, same principle. Both unarmed, both illegal deaths. I just think we should celebrate justice... not whatever this is.

Are you serious? You don't think Osama should have died? The only reason I feel any sadness over Osama's death is that he wasn't tortured before they killed him.

How can you possibly say that the killing of a terrorist/mass murdererand 3000 innocentsare the same thing?

EDIT: forgot an important word

' I feel any sadness over Osama's death is that he wasn't tortured before they killed him. '

Now that is what i'm getting at.

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

[QUOTE="IAMTHEJOKER88"]

No i don't. Different scale, same principle. Both unarmed, both illegal deaths. I just think we should celebrate justice... not whatever this is.

IAMTHEJOKER88

Are you serious? You don't think Osama should have died? The only reason I feel any sadness over Osama's death is that he wasn't tortured before they killed him.

How can you possibly say that the killing of a terrorist/mass murdererand 3000 innocentsare the same thing?

EDIT: forgot an important word

' I feel any sadness over Osama's death is that he wasn't tortured before they killed him. '

Now that is what i'm getting at.

If you believe the words of a few crazy people = the sum of America's opinion on the matter you are just being blind and foolish.

[QUOTE="IAMTHEJOKER88"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Is it the same? You know Europe celebrated when Hitler committed suicide rather than be captured. I would not say they were wrong to do that. Nor would I equate their actions to his.LJS9502_basic

Hitler's death meant the end of a five year long world war... millions dead.

Bin Laden's death will only have an effect on a symbolic level. For many it is simply vengeance. A bad comparison in my opinion.

What? You can't just speculate to evidence a point. Hitler's suicide came towards the closing of the war, it is why he committed suicide. His death was welcomed because it only stressed an end to a long and brutal war.

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

[QUOTE="IAMTHEJOKER88"]

No i don't. Different scale, same principle. Both unarmed, both illegal deaths. I just think we should celebrate justice... not whatever this is.

IAMTHEJOKER88

Are you serious? You don't think Osama should have died? The only reason I feel any sadness over Osama's death is that he wasn't tortured before they killed him.

How can you possibly say that the killing of a terrorist/mass murdererand 3000 innocentsare the same thing?

EDIT: forgot an important word

' I feel any sadness over Osama's death is that he wasn't tortured before they killed him. '

Now that is what i'm getting at.

I'm sorry if I didn't want poor Osama to be put down like a sick dog after he killed friends of mine.

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

Well you sound Jelly... pretty mad that the US is the single largest economic, military, intellectucal and social power this world has ever known...

heysharpshooter

i dont know if you actually read any of my posts then :?

or done any research on the country i live in already..

Im sure your country is great... can't say I care where you are from, but even if I did, I promise I wouldn't waste trolling time bashing it, since I don't know anything about it... makes you sound jelly...

ugh i would never defend my country for the sole purpose of defending it. I would just defend my own beliefs, and if the country happens to have the same ones they would naturally overlap.

Also, i believe i have enough info on the USA to qualify for bashing it, based on the fact that it opposes my beliefs.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="IAMTHEJOKER88"]

Hitler's death meant the end of a five year long world war... millions dead.

Bin Laden's death will only have an effect on a symbolic level. For many it is simply vengeance. A bad comparison in my opinion.

IAMTHEJOKER88

What? You can't just speculate to evidence a point. Hitler's suicide came towards the closing of the war, it is why he committed suicide. His death was welcomed because it only stressed an end to a long and brutal war.

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

i dont know if you actually read any of my posts then :?

or done any research on the country i live in already..

Half-Way

Im sure your country is great... can't say I care where you are from, but even if I did, I promise I wouldn't waste trolling time bashing it, since I don't know anything about it... makes you sound jelly...

ugh i would never defend my country for the sole purpose of defending it. I would just defend my own beliefs, and if the country happens to have the same ones they would naturally overlap.

Also, i believe i have enough info on the USA to qualify for bashing it, based on the fact that it opposes my beliefs.

From your statements here, you clearly don't know squat about the US outside of what you read on the internet, which is known for it's constant bashing of any country.

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I wasn't talking specifically about you. However, one should be clear in a specific thread and not expect people reading the thread to go through their posting history.....but if that's the game...then you can read mine and I won't have to tell you how I think either. I think you'll be busier than I in that regard.:DLJS9502_basic

well i dont think i need too, i have noticed you in a couple of threads y'know, and even if we have our disagreements i still think your very open minded tbh.

well i dont base my opinion on OT though.

[QUOTE="IAMTHEJOKER88"]

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

Are you serious? You don't think Osama should have died? The only reason I feel any sadness over Osama's death is that he wasn't tortured before they killed him.

How can you possibly say that the killing of a terrorist/mass murdererand 3000 innocentsare the same thing?

EDIT: forgot an important word

Wasdie

' I feel any sadness over Osama's death is that he wasn't tortured before they killed him. '

Now that is what i'm getting at.

If you believe the words of a few crazy people = the sum of America's opinion on the matter you are just being blind and foolish.

No opinion seems quite diverse.

But the number of the 'few' seems rather high...

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

i dont know if you actually read any of my posts then :?

or done any research on the country i live in already..

Half-Way

Im sure your country is great... can't say I care where you are from, but even if I did, I promise I wouldn't waste trolling time bashing it, since I don't know anything about it... makes you sound jelly...

ugh i would never defend my country for the sole purpose of defending it. I would just defend my own beliefs, and if the country happens to have the same ones they would naturally overlap.

Also, i believe i have enough info on the USA to qualify for bashing it, based on the fact that it opposes my beliefs.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Half-Way"]

well i dont think i need too, i have noticed you in a couple of threads y'know, and even if we have our disagreements i still think your very open minded tbh.

Half-Way

well i dont base my opinion on OT though.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Half-Way"]

well i dont think i need too, i have noticed you in a couple of threads y'know, and even if we have our disagreements i still think your very open minded tbh.

Half-Way

well i dont base my opinion on OT though.

There are a hell of a lot more countries to start "bashing" before you get to the United States.

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

i dont know if you actually read any of my posts then :?

or done any research on the country i live in already..

Half-Way

Im sure your country is great... can't say I care where you are from, but even if I did, I promise I wouldn't waste trolling time bashing it, since I don't know anything about it... makes you sound jelly...

ugh i would never defend my country for the sole purpose of defending it. I would just defend my own beliefs, and if the country happens to have the same ones they would naturally overlap.

Also, i believe i have enough info on the USA to qualify for bashing it, based on the fact that it opposes my beliefs.

All the info in the world doesn't make you sound anything less then jelly... I mean, unless we have troops in your country, the only impact we have on your country is... well, everything else... all the music you like, the clothes you wear, the stuff you buy has a connection to the US...

The US is the single greatest force for postive change in the world... and you jelly about it...

The US is the single greatest force for postive change in the worldheysharpshooter

How dare us... When we get criticized by Europeans every day.

I can honestly say I haven't thought about Europe's reaction.....I don't get where he criticizes Americans for this TBH....could be he just wants to criticize IMO.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

Im sure your country is great... can't say I care where you are from, but even if I did, I promise I wouldn't waste trolling time bashing it, since I don't know anything about it... makes you sound jelly...

Wasdie

ugh i would never defend my country for the sole purpose of defending it. I would just defend my own beliefs, and if the country happens to have the same ones they would naturally overlap.

Also, i believe i have enough info on the USA to qualify for bashing it, based on the fact that it opposes my beliefs.

From your statements here, you clearly don't know squat about the US outside of what you read on the internet, which is known for it's constant bashing of any country.

well allow me to judge you based on a few forum posts aswell.

"From your statements here, you clearly are a patriotic US citizen, that defends his country no matter what on the Internet, the Internet being known for peoples constant patriotism of their own country.

life is important no matter who it is, justice should have decided of Bin Laden's fate IMO , mass murderer or not. Americans cheered up prolly more than the rest of the world because they were the first victims of Bin Laden's terrorism and the ones whose terrorist attack had the most victims IMO that and I think most of the people think Bin Laden's death isnt gonna really affect terrorism and that if anything there are risks to make it worse but I never heard of America actually criticizing Europe for their lack of reactionmastahwolf

No, some lives need to be ended. Don't act like your some angelic humanitarian who cares for all people. If he killed people you knew you would want him dead too. I volunteer and help people out, but I still think that Osama needed to die.

[QUOTE="IAMTHEJOKER88"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Had Germany not been fighting on too many fronts and close to collapse already it's could easily have not ended and someone else taken his place. Hitler was more ego than general and lost the war for that reason.LJS9502_basic

What? You can't just speculate to evidence a point. Hitler's suicide came towards the closing of the war, it is why he committed suicide. His death was welcomed because it only stressed an end to a long and brutal war.

Well then they probably woudln't celebrate if they knew Himmler was succeeding... but again speculation... this example is not applicable here.

well allow me to judge you based on a few forum posts aswell.

"From your statements here, you clearly are a patriotic US citizen, that defends his country no matter what on the Internet, the Internet being known for peoples constant patriotism of their own country.

How dare us... When we get criticized by Europeans every day.

GD-1369211121

Rightly so.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I can honestly say I haven't thought about Europe's reaction.....I don't get where he criticizes Americans for this TBH....could be he just wants to criticize IMO.Omni-Slash

It's been in a few notable U.s bloggers and papers.

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]The US is the single greatest force for postive change in the worldOverlord93

Actually, thats fact... all the economic numbers back it up...

It's been in a few notable U.s bloggers and papers.

IAMTHEJOKER88

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

Im sure your country is great... can't say I care where you are from, but even if I did, I promise I wouldn't waste trolling time bashing it, since I don't know anything about it... makes you sound jelly...

heysharpshooter

ugh i would never defend my country for the sole purpose of defending it. I would just defend my own beliefs, and if the country happens to have the same ones they would naturally overlap.

Also, i believe i have enough info on the USA to qualify for bashing it, based on the fact that it opposes my beliefs.

All the info in the world doesn't make you sound anything less then jelly... I mean, unless we have troops in your country, the only impact we have on your country is... well, everything else... all the music you like, the clothes you wear, the stuff you buy has a connection to the US...

The US is the single greatest force for postive change in the world... and you jelly about it...

wow, how dare you be such a stereotype of a patriotic American :shock:

either this is a joke, or i really feel sorry for you.

Also as a fun challenge, you should go in your room, and look at all your products. Tell me if you find something that isnt made in china ;)

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I can honestly say I haven't thought about Europe's reaction.....I don't get where he criticizes Americans for this TBH....could be he just wants to criticize IMO.IAMTHEJOKER88

It's been in a few notable U.s bloggers and papers.

Start giving us sources instead of saying "a few notable", besides the fact you even say few.

[QUOTE="IAMTHEJOKER88"]

It's been in a few notable U.s bloggers and papers.

Omni-Slash

well heres one from the mail. i've read it in the telegraph as well. look it up, its easy to see. But do you not see the evident difference in opinion here?

Mail

I've seen people comparing celebrating Osama's death to celebrating Hitler's, but I don't really get that, I don't think back in the 40s people were having street parties with bunting and tea because they heard that Hitler was dead. The war was still going on, it's not like it signals anything particularly significant on that score, and at the end of the day many more people would have been much more satisfied if he had be captured and then rightly tried at the Nuremberg Trials.

I think the same thing in this case. I think it was a good thing they found him and that it was a quick and clean operation in the end. But I don't see how simply killing him will make any difference and isn't anything worth celebrating particularly. I am disappointed he won't be subjected to a very public War trial.

MissLibrarian

If it was a public trial, he would air out the dirty laundry of the U.S.

[QUOTE="Overlord93"][QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]The US is the single greatest force for postive change in the worldheysharpshooter

Actually, thats fact... all the economic numbers back it up...

:lol:

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

Im sure your country is great... can't say I care where you are from, but even if I did, I promise I wouldn't waste trolling time bashing it, since I don't know anything about it... makes you sound jelly...

LJS9502_basic

ugh i would never defend my country for the sole purpose of defending it. I would just defend my own beliefs, and if the country happens to have the same ones they would naturally overlap.

Also, i believe i have enough info on the USA to qualify for bashing it, based on the fact that it opposes my beliefs.

eh i would never base my opinion on something like that either..

I base my opinion only on facts, documentaries, numbers, articles.

Considering i only bash the government, not necessarily the people.. and i would never bash a piece of land mass either :|

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

ugh i would never defend my country for the sole purpose of defending it. I would just defend my own beliefs, and if the country happens to have the same ones they would naturally overlap.

Also, i believe i have enough info on the USA to qualify for bashing it, based on the fact that it opposes my beliefs.

Half-Way

All the info in the world doesn't make you sound anything less then jelly... I mean, unless we have troops in your country, the only impact we have on your country is... well, everything else... all the music you like, the clothes you wear, the stuff you buy has a connection to the US...

The US is the single greatest force for postive change in the world... and you jelly about it...

wow, how dare you be such a stereotype of a patriotic American :shock:

either this is a joke, or i really feel sorry for you.

Also as a fun challenge, you should go in your room, and look at all your products. Tell me if you find something that isnt made in china ;)

Made in China... by workers who work for... wait for it... US COMPANIES!

Those people would still be farming dirt if not for the millions of outsourced jobs America sends to China, Mexico etc... those people would live in horrible poverty if not for those jobs that come from America...

Its all so obvious... and you all so jelly...

[QUOTE="MissLibrarian"]

I've seen people comparing celebrating Osama's death to celebrating Hitler's, but I don't really get that, I don't think back in the 40s people were having street parties with bunting and tea because they heard that Hitler was dead. The war was still going on, it's not like it signals anything particularly significant on that score, and at the end of the day many more people would have been much more satisfied if he had be captured and then rightly tried at the Nuremberg Trials.

I think the same thing in this case. I think it was a good thing they found him and that it was a quick and clean operation in the end. But I don't see how simply killing him will make any difference and isn't anything worth celebrating particularly. I am disappointed he won't be subjected to a very public War trial.

m25105

If it was a public trial, he would air out the dirty laundry of the U.S.

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="IAMTHEJOKER88"]

It's been in a few notable U.s bloggers and papers.

IAMTHEJOKER88

well heres one from the mail. i've read it in the telegraph as well. look it up, its easy to see. But do you not see the evident difference in opinion here?

Mail

I want links to these notable bloggers and papers. In the article it didn't mention any notable bloggers or papers, I don't think it mention anyone in specific.