Americans criticise European reaction to Bin Laden

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]The only disagreement we seem to have that I am aware is that the US isn't as bad as portrayed in OT.:P__Chris__

well i dont base my opinion on OT though.

There are a hell of a lot more countries to start "bashing" before you get to the United States.

they are the most powerful country in the world.. So there is a reason for my constant bashing towards them.

I also bash China, Russia and the UK. if thats what you want to know:?

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="IAMTHEJOKER88"]

It's been in a few notable U.s bloggers and papers.

well heres one from the mail. i've read it in the telegraph as well. look it up, its easy to see. But do you not see the evident difference in opinion here?

Mail

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

All the info in the world doesn't make you sound anything less then jelly... I mean, unless we have troops in your country, the only impact we have on your country is... well, everything else... all the music you like, the clothes you wear, the stuff you buy has a connection to the US...

The US is the single greatest force for postive change in the world... and you jelly about it...

heysharpshooter

wow, how dare you be such a stereotype of a patriotic American :shock:

either this is a joke, or i really feel sorry for you.

Also as a fun challenge, you should go in your room, and look at all your products. Tell me if you find something that isnt made in china ;)

Made in China... by workers who work for... wait for it... US COMPANIES!

Those people would still be farming dirt if not for the millions of outsourced jobs America sends to China, Mexico etc... those people would live in horrible poverty if not for those jobs that come from America...

Its all so obvious... and you all so jelly...

okey judging by the past posts of yours, your obviously trolling :P you got me there for a second though.

Jesus, I knew that anti-American sentiment was rather strong on this joke of a board, but...wow. I'm...kinda at a loss for words here. Think I should go back to lurking.

[QUOTE="IAMTHEJOKER88"]

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"] notable adn bloggers do not belong in the same sentence....do you have any links to anything?...__Chris__

well heres one from the mail. i've read it in the telegraph as well. look it up, its easy to see. But do you not see the evident difference in opinion here?

Mail

I want links to these notable bloggers and papers. In the article it didn't mention any notable bloggers or papers, I don't think it mention anyone in specific.

It does... Tony Metcalfe... Editor of the Metro newspapers. It is detailed there. I'm not babysitting your laziness.

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="IAMTHEJOKER88"]

It's been in a few notable U.s bloggers and papers.

IAMTHEJOKER88

well heres one from the mail. i've read it in the telegraph as well. look it up, its easy to see. But do you not see the evident difference in opinion here?

Mail

It does... Tony Metcalfe... Editor of the Metro newspapers. It is detailed there. I'm not babysitting your laziness.

IAMTHEJOKER88

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

wow, how dare you be such a stereotype of a patriotic American :shock:

either this is a joke, or i really feel sorry for you.

Also as a fun challenge, you should go in your room, and look at all your products. Tell me if you find something that isnt made in china ;)

Half-Way

Made in China... by workers who work for... wait for it... US COMPANIES!

Those people would still be farming dirt if not for the millions of outsourced jobs America sends to China, Mexico etc... those people would live in horrible poverty if not for those jobs that come from America...

Its all so obvious... and you all so jelly...

okey judging by the past posts of yours, your obviously trolling :P you got me there for a second though.

Had lots to say about how evil America is earlier, yet you have yet to provide any evidence or counter any of my posts...

[QUOTE="IAMTHEJOKER88"]

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"] notable adn bloggers do not belong in the same sentence....do you have any links to anything?...LJS9502_basic

well heres one from the mail. i've read it in the telegraph as well. look it up, its easy to see. But do you not see the evident difference in opinion here?

Mail

I never claimed opinion was unanimous... nor that it was a majority, i just said some Americans were criticising European reaction... what is your point?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="IAMTHEJOKER88"]

well heres one from the mail. i've read it in the telegraph as well. look it up, its easy to see. But do you not see the evident difference in opinion here?

Mail

IAMTHEJOKER88

I never claimed opinion was unanimous... nor that it was a majority, i just said some Americans were criticising European reaction... what is your point?

[QUOTE="mastahwolf"]life is important no matter who it is, justice should have decided of Bin Laden's fate IMO , mass murderer or not. Americans cheered up prolly more than the rest of the world because they were the first victims of Bin Laden's terrorism and the ones whose terrorist attack had the most victims IMO that and I think most of the people think Bin Laden's death isnt gonna really affect terrorism and that if anything there are risks to make it worse but I never heard of America actually criticizing Europe for their lack of reactionROFLCOPTER603

No, some lives need to be ended. Don't act like your some angelic humanitarian who cares for all people. If he killed people you knew you would want him dead too. I volunteer and help people out, but I still think that Osama needed to die.

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

[QUOTE="mastahwolf"]life is important no matter who it is, justice should have decided of Bin Laden's fate IMO , mass murderer or not. Americans cheered up prolly more than the rest of the world because they were the first victims of Bin Laden's terrorism and the ones whose terrorist attack had the most victims IMO that and I think most of the people think Bin Laden's death isnt gonna really affect terrorism and that if anything there are risks to make it worse but I never heard of America actually criticizing Europe for their lack of reactionmastahwolf

No, some lives need to be ended. Don't act like your some angelic humanitarian who cares for all people. If he killed people you knew you would want him dead too. I volunteer and help people out, but I still think that Osama needed to die.

Was it the wrong thing? The SEALs on the ground made the call to shoot. If Bin Laden were to of surrendered they were ordered not to kill him. According to the information we know he put up "resistance" whether he was going for a gun or something else, we don't know. Considering the training SEALs go through, I'm going to trust their decision.

Some of what i'm talking about....

American Celebration

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IAMTHEJOKER88

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

Made in China... by workers who work for... wait for it... US COMPANIES!

Those people would still be farming dirt if not for the millions of outsourced jobs America sends to China, Mexico etc... those people would live in horrible poverty if not for those jobs that come from America...

Its all so obvious... and you all so jelly...

heysharpshooter

okey judging by the past posts of yours, your obviously trolling :P you got me there for a second though.

Had lots to say about how evil America is earlier, yet you have yet to provide any evidence or counter any of my posts...

well i dont think i should go further of topic, but if you really want to know, then i would suggest starting with this documentary

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_We_Fight_(2005_film)

its completely fair, it has politicians from both side of the fence talking such as;

Senator John McCain , Richard Perle, William Kristol and Charles Lewis

aswell as people from theMilitary

most notably; Karen Kwiatkowski, James G. Roche and Nguyet Anh Duong

[QUOTE="IAMTHEJOKER88"]

Some of what i'm talking about....

American Celebration

Similar thing

kuraimen

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

okey judging by the past posts of yours, your obviously trolling :P you got me there for a second though.

Half-Way

Had lots to say about how evil America is earlier, yet you have yet to provide any evidence or counter any of my posts...

well i dont think i should go further of topic, but if you really want to know, then i would suggest starting with this documentary

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_We_Fight_(2005_film)

its completely fair, it has politicians from both side of the fence talking such as;

Senator John McCain , Richard Perle, William Kristol and Charles Lewis

aswell as people from theMilitary

most notably; Karen Kwiatkowski, James G. Roche and Nguyet Anh Duong

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="IAMTHEJOKER88"]

Some of what i'm talking about....

American Celebration

Similar thing

LJS9502_basic

The whole irony of this entire thread or this debate in general is it should be "Europeans criticise American's reaction to Bin Laden's death".

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

Had lots to say about how evil America is earlier, yet you have yet to provide any evidence or counter any of my posts...

LJS9502_basic

well i dont think i should go further of topic, but if you really want to know, then i would suggest starting with this documentary

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_We_Fight_(2005_film)

its completely fair, it has politicians from both side of the fence talking such as;

Senator John McCain , Richard Perle, William Kristol and Charles Lewis

aswell as people from theMilitary

most notably; Karen Kwiatkowski, James G. Roche and Nguyet Anh Duong

of course they have a bias. Just like everything that is human. Should we simply stop looking at any information then?

For me its all about the people that talk in these documentaries.

If you look at a Micheal moor movie, which is completely one sided, its different then looking at a movie which lets both sides explain their story.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

well i dont think i should go further of topic, but if you really want to know, then i would suggest starting with this documentary

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_We_Fight_(2005_film)

its completely fair, it has politicians from both side of the fence talking such as;

Senator John McCain , Richard Perle, William Kristol and Charles Lewis

aswell as people from theMilitary

most notably; Karen Kwiatkowski, James G. Roche and Nguyet Anh Duong

Half-Way

of course they have a bias. Just like everything that is human. Should we simply stop looking at any information then?

For me its all about the people that talk in these documentaries.

If you look at a Micheal moor movie, which is completely one sided, its different then looking at a movie which lets both sides explain their story.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="IAMTHEJOKER88"]

Some of what i'm talking about....

American Celebration

Similar thing

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Right. Documents have a bias FYI....haven't seen that one. Not reading your Wiki link. Just saying...

LJS9502_basic

of course they have a bias. Just like everything that is human. Should we simply stop looking at any information then?

For me its all about the people that talk in these documentaries.

If you look at a Micheal moor movie, which is completely one sided, its different then looking at a movie which lets both sides explain their story.

im not sure what you would call a good source then. Because the sceptic argument can be used about everything.

The only difference is that if you question an "official" story, it suddenly isnt scepticism anymore, but a conspiracy theory..

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denial is also a problem we need to face.

As for myself, i enjoy watching and reading from both sides, that means "propaganda" from both sides.

In the end its philosophy that decides the outcome.

Was it the wrong thing? The SEALs on the ground made the call to shoot. If Bin Laden were to of surrendered they were ordered not to kill him. According to the information we know he put up "resistance" whether he was going for a gun or something else, we don't know. Considering the training SEALs go through, I'm going to trust their decision.__Chris__

[QUOTE="__Chris__"]Was it the wrong thing? The SEALs on the ground made the call to shoot. If Bin Laden were to of surrendered they were ordered not to kill him. According to the information we know he put up "resistance" whether he was going for a gun or something else, we don't know. Considering the training SEALs go through, I'm going to trust their decision.mastahwolf

How is this unrelated? This is why he was killed and anything else right now is speculation.

The whole irony of this entire thread or this debate in general is it should be "Europeans criticise American's reaction to Bin Laden's death".

__Chris__

[QUOTE="__Chris__"]

The whole irony of this entire thread or this debate in general is it should be "Europeans criticise American's reaction to Bin Laden's death".

Omni-Slash

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="__Chris__"]

The whole irony of this entire thread or this debate in general is it should be "Europeans criticise American's reaction to Bin Laden's death".

CannedWorms

Somehow the celebrations at NYC and DC, translate into all americans running into the street jubilantly cheering. Whatever fits your preconceptions I guess.

Somehow the celebrations at NYC and DC, translate into all americans running into the street jubilantly cheering. Whatever fits your preconceptions I guess.

sonicare

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[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"] this entirely....I just wish the TC had the stones to call it what it was......oh well...kuraimen

[QUOTE="GD-1369211121"]

How dare us... When we get criticized by Europeans every day.

Rightly so.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

[QUOTE="CannedWorms"]Take this from a European, Europe are all a bunch of cowards. We would rather be silent and appease the terrorists rather than be happy that the biggest bastard in the world is dead. The spineless European governments have created these politically correct buffoons. Well done America, keep doing your ****, your national security is the better for it.

CannedWorms

You have so little understanding of the blowback concept that it's not even funny.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

[QUOTE="CannedWorms"]Take this from a European, Europe are all a bunch of cowards. We would rather be silent and appease the terrorists rather than be happy that the biggest bastard in the world is dead. The spineless European governments have created these politically correct buffoons. Well done America, keep doing your ****, your national security is the better for it.

CannedWorms

Umm....what was the Europeans reaction? Because I know I was really happy when I hear the news.

[QUOTE="CannedWorms"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] keep doing your **** as in keep helping creat terrorists and then celebrating when they kill one of them? that's pretty s***** indeed.

kuraimen

So no, America doesn't help create terrorists, their "brothers" who brainwash them do that. In addition, we could apply all your theories to the terrorist invasion of non-Muslim countries. "By going into countries, hating their culture, acting like their martyrs, manipulating moderate Muslims, trying to overthrow the native people and committing atrocities on their territory's it's bound to make many in the region hate you and want to destroy you."

In conclusion, we don't want to destroy Muslims way of life, but we'll happily destroy those who commit attacks in the name of Jihad.

Some of what i'm talking about....

American Celebration

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IAMTHEJOKER88

LOL, they truly celebrated like that because of the dead of Bin Laden? i bet that most of them didn't even know who Bin Laden was, on the other hand, i'm not agree with being similar to celebreate the fall of Twin Towers, that was indeed barbaric, this is just dumb, not nearly at the same level.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="CannedWorms"]America has no say in "helping create terrorists". These low life's are the result of their culture and religion. There were terrorists before Iraq/Afghanistan and they'll be a plethora more in the future. There's no "helping" those uneducated animals. If they want to get offended over a mass murderer's death (understatement) being celebrated then what help is there for them (the same applies to Europeans, btw)? The fact that you are going out of your way to make excuses for them is pretty sad indeed.CannedWorms

So no, America doesn't help create terrorists, their "brothers" who brainwash them do that. In addition, we could apply all your theories to the terrorist invasion of non-Muslim countries. "By going into countries, hating their culture, acting like their martyrs, manipulating moderate Muslims, trying to overthrow the native people and committing atrocities on their territory's it's bound to make many in the region hate you and want to destroy you."

In conclusion, we don't want to destroy Muslims way of life, but we'll happily destroy those who commit attacks in the name of Jihad.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] LOL they celebrate it like it is the Super Bowl or something. Frankly, I find that pathetic.Overlord93

[QUOTE="Overlord93"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Oh totally. We all know the US is the only country where a percentage of people might celebrate the ending of an enemy.:|

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="CannedWorms"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Of course they have a say in helping create terrorists. By going into other countries in the ME and acting like a bully, manipulating governments, overthrowing others and dropping bombs on their territories it's bound to make many people in the region hate you and want to destroy you. I imagine the same will happen with many "patriotic americans" if they had a foreign culture constantly interfeering with their lives.Danm_999

So no, America doesn't help create terrorists, their "brothers" who brainwash them do that. In addition, we could apply all your theories to the terrorist invasion of non-Muslim countries. "By going into countries, hating their culture, acting like their martyrs, manipulating moderate Muslims, trying to overthrow the native people and committing atrocities on their territory's it's bound to make many in the region hate you and want to destroy you."

In conclusion, we don't want to destroy Muslims way of life, but we'll happily destroy those who commit attacks in the name of Jihad.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Overlord93"] It would seem so, the US is currently the only country with people dancing in the street after the unnecesary killing of someone who should have seen trialDanm_999

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="CannedWorms"]Wow, talk about short memory syndrome. Last I knew, America was attacked unprovoked by a worldwide terror organisation. Therefore, there is no evidence to suggest Muslim terrorists will give their up Jihad whether or not America is on their soil. In fact they won't, and you know it. Also, I'd happily let in a foreign occupier to rid of terrorists if I lived in one of the most unstable, poor and generally ****est countries in the world.

So no, America doesn't help create terrorists, their "brothers" who brainwash them do that. In addition, we could apply all your theories to the terrorist invasion of non-Muslim countries. "By going into countries, hating their culture, acting like their martyrs, manipulating moderate Muslims, trying to overthrow the native people and committing atrocities on their territory's it's bound to make many in the region hate you and want to destroy you."

In conclusion, we don't want to destroy Muslims way of life, but we'll happily destroy those who commit attacks in the name of Jihad.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="CannedWorms"]America has no say in "helping create terrorists". These low life's are the result of their culture and religion. There were terrorists before Iraq/Afghanistan and they'll be a plethora more in the future. There's no "helping" those uneducated animals. If they want to get offended over a mass murderer's death (understatement) being celebrated then what help is there for them (the same applies to Europeans, btw)? The fact that you are going out of your way to make excuses for them is pretty sad indeed.CannedWorms

So no, America doesn't help create terrorists, their "brothers" who brainwash them do that. In addition, we could apply all your theories to the terrorist invasion of non-Muslim countries. "By going into countries, hating their culture, acting like their martyrs, manipulating moderate Muslims, trying to overthrow the native people and committing atrocities on their territory's it's bound to make many in the region hate you and want to destroy you."

In conclusion, we don't want to destroy Muslims way of life, but we'll happily destroy those who commit attacks in the name of Jihad.

Read and learn.

http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/dod/dsb/commun.pdf

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I have seen no people dancing in the street....and I'll bet there were some Europeans glad he was gone.;)LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"] Al Qaeda attacked the US on 9/11 because of the US military presence in the Middle East. I'm not condoning their attacks, because the USA is frequently there with both the relevant Middle Eastern government's permission and on an altruistic mission. But it's not like these terrorist organisations are attacking the West because they don't like them, it's because they see the West as a fundamental threat to their extremist agenda. Al Qaeda, on a basic level, was distraught with the influence and power the USA was able to enact within the countries it viewed as its own. That's not to justify their methods, or to blame the USA for terrorism, but without US involvement in the Middle East, you would not have terrorists.Danm_999